You know what's also fatal to a lot of athletes? A punch to the face, kick to the face, elbow to the face, knee to the face, liver shot, liver kick etc etc. The scary thing is what's covered in general media is top athletes, so much of unknown athletes stop their career because of that
@@Engiction fair point but the difference is that a kick to the groin, an eye poke, and a side stomp to the knee is almost guaranteed big time injury. Whereas the things you’ve described are less likely to cause the same magnitude of damage.
@@carnivorous_veganactually, hes not being too soft or anything… so many fighters careers have been ended early because of this… how about someone oblique kicks you and we see what happens💀 Like leg kicks hurt but they probably wont disable you for life
The only "street fight" Ive ever been in, which was entirely against my will, I did exactly this and it was over with almost instantly. Dude probably outweighed me by 40+ pounds and insisted on trying me cause i was talking to his girlfriend and her friends or something? Im still mad about that shit honestly. I took zero pleasure in hearing him scream, AND i got 86'd from that bar indefinitely. Lose-lose-lose.
I've never heard anyone say kicks don't work in a street fight. I'm 6 foot 6 you best believe my shin is going right through somebody's knee when it comes down to it
@@lordfizzzit's not that they don't work it's more of a risk vs reward. IE you try a high kick while on grass slip, fall and now your getting soccer kicked to the face. Really depends on your training and terrain.
@@vincenzopolimeni3561both require a lot more control than you'd think. Situations change on the fly when sparring, if you're not in utmost control, those types of attacks can really hurt your partner with no intent on your own.
@@rasmusdaugaardhansen8302 more or less depends on who your sparring. Some people are ok with thier sparing partner throwing elbows and knees etc in sparring
If eye gouging was allowed, I wouldn't do it. I'm not going to intentionally and permanently ruin an opponents career for a win. I'm not that guy. I have zero respect for any fighter that is. Zero. All his hard work and discipline become meaningless in light of the kind of person he is. Some things should be more important than a check in the 'W' column.
@@_lulltj8 Morality. Cultural ethos. A sense of decency. Basic human compassion. I can think of lots of reasons not to. It speaks volumes about you that you can't. Kinda sad, bro.
“Protect athletes” how about protect yourself at all times if you can’t defend the oblique kick then you shouldn’t be in the octagon 😂 Whittaker threw the same kick at Israel multiple times and Izzy still knocked him out because he has actual defense
Leg locks, the twister, suplexes, spiking, and neck cranks are all legal and dangerous too. Knee stomps are perfectly acceptable. I've been knee stomped when I went to pick up my frustrated ex friend. It hyper extended completely with no permanent damage. Rose getting spiked could've paralyzed her but that's legal too. It's MMA.
I believe in full combat. But i don’t like the idea of having a move meant to cause that kind of damage. So i agree. People fight to feed their loved ones, not have their loved ones take care of them because their knees was destroyed 🫡
I have zero formal training but my stepfather was military and because I was small, showed me a lot of things to manipulate weight or use bigger people against themselves. It’s so much easier for me to handle someone 80 lbs heavier than me than it is to handle someone closer to my own stature. Knee kicks were one of the first things he showed me because “if you can’t overpower them, or make them overpower themselves, you take the legs and then they’re fighting from below. Unless they train, nobody wants to fight from below you.”
Getting punched, kicked, kneed, elbowed, shouldered and slammed to the head is literally shaving years off your life. I’d rather have a knee injury thanks to
This is their job bro, you are literally putting them and their families in danger, and let’s not act like the injury itself won’t effect them physically down the road
Each of those things u listed are dangerous because they are repeated, all it takes is one oblique kick to cripple you for the rest of life, and guess what, since they can’t fight they won’t be able to afford the proper medical procedures in the first place.
Surprised that so many people are saying this should be banned when, as far as I can tell, this kick is only career ending when your opponent stands in a super bladed stance with weight loaded onto the front foot. If you stand square with a light front foot (I.e. muay thai stance) then it's not a threat. So I feel like banning the kick (aside from being hard to ref consistently) is also problematic in that it's kind of a buff to a karate stance and a nerf to a muay thai stance.
...what are you taking about? The front leg doesn't hold the majority of the weight in a karate stance which is why we saw wonderboy take a bunch of those and fully recover after. It can be career ending whenever someone steps forward and loads their front foot which boxing heavy fighters will do more often than anyone else realistically. It should be banned because it's career ending not because of what style it helps or hurts. Like yeah banning shots to the back of the head is a massive buff to wrestlers, half the wrestling or more in the ufc wouldn't work if you could hit to the back of the head, but it's still banned because it's dangerous.
@@azog7132 could be taught differently in different places ig but I was a black belt technically and never learned that way. Weight was distributed pretty evenly so you could bounce easily and if anything front leg was slightly lighter so you could throw side kicks and lead leg round kicks more easily.
Yeah unpopular opinion: shouldnt be legal in professional fights (or in my hobbyist). Akin to heek hooks for white belts. Yes very effective, yes self defense fantastic in 1v1 open air unobstructed area, but high propensity to irritate someones body for the rest of their life. Plenty of good fighting ro do beyond this. Great breakdown too btw
That move 100% should not be in MMA if you can’t do a top down elbow and and can destroy somebody’s knee makes no sense. They proved a top down is not gonna kill somebody also I’ve had like five surgeries on my right knee all one ACL and it turned intosurgeries and multiple other tears
This is disgusting really. Ban this kick. This is a career-ender. I tore my ACL and Meniscus and despite rehab it took 18 months to recover and I was never the same. Its sick that this is allowed to continue knowing thats the impact it will likely have. All it takes is one wrong kick.
Mfers complaining about getting it banned… not all fighters use it and only a niche select can execute it perfectly like JBJ and Khalil have lmao yall can crying and get better🤷🏻♂️
you can literally train a high schooler to do that if you think it’s hard you’re clearly not sparring enough or practicing the move very well, I’m not elite and I can do it and my cousin who is younger than me and in a lower grade watched a yt tutorial on it and got that shit in a week
@garthalmunemuralias9101 At the same time, all fighters in the ufc are ELITE, which means they can check the kicks, avoid the kicks, or counter them. So what he's trying to say is that people like Jon have been practicing these kicks, they put time and effort into making sure it will connect.
@@garthalmunemuralias9101your point doesn’t stand. “You can train a high schooler to do that” That age is the peak of learning and human endurance. So what’s your point? Sure a high schooler doesn’t have as much strength as an adult, but training them to learn anything will be easy.
Straight Up shouldnt ve allowed, anyone who disagress can also fight with having their knee popped out, skill & timing make great athletes but utilization is skill articulation. Manz wiuod stomp on the street but keep our advesaries in ring intact & not result in unnecessary injuries.
Its an effective kick, but it could it's extremely dangerous. I know people will say what about a knee bar wnd other knee attacks? Uou have a chance to defend those. This is quick and could easily blow a knee out.
It’s always been one of the most dangerous strikes in mma fortunately it’s kind of dirty and frowned on. You wouldn’t usually see people use it other than maybe the likes of Jon Jones. But in a street fight oh for sure it’s going to be one of the first things I do.
Brutal. All martial arts have fatal or life altering attacks doesn't mean they should be allowed. I am surprised it did broke and hang after such a powerful kick on the joint . Should be banned totally.
Not sure about making this illegal. A knee to the face is just as brutal, and way easier to pull off. Making that timing to hyper extend the knee is 1 in 100. Other than Khalil pulling it off, when was the last time you saw someone win a fight by hyper extension? Really think.
That very naughty it still a competitive sport . You not fighting in battle field to save your life . The organisers they should look at some rules and guidance is just sport
Honestly a knee injury like that is fatal for most athletes careers... shouldnt be allowed
Nah. It's perfectly fine. You just have too much soy in your diet.
Not being funny. If this kick is allowed then should groin kicks and eye pokes be allowed also? 🤔
You know what's also fatal to a lot of athletes? A punch to the face, kick to the face, elbow to the face, knee to the face, liver shot, liver kick etc etc. The scary thing is what's covered in general media is top athletes, so much of unknown athletes stop their career because of that
@@Engiction fair point but the difference is that a kick to the groin, an eye poke, and a side stomp to the knee is almost guaranteed big time injury. Whereas the things you’ve described are less likely to cause the same magnitude of damage.
@@carnivorous_veganactually, hes not being too soft or anything… so many fighters careers have been ended early because of this… how about someone oblique kicks you and we see what happens💀
Like leg kicks hurt but they probably wont disable you for life
everyone says kicks don't work in a street fight until they get their knee stomped out!!
คนที่พูดเเบบนั้นเเสดงว่าไม่เคยฝึกเตะ ลูกเตะเขาเลยเบาเหมือนหมอน😂
The only "street fight" Ive ever been in, which was entirely against my will, I did exactly this and it was over with almost instantly. Dude probably outweighed me by 40+ pounds and insisted on trying me cause i was talking to his girlfriend and her friends or something? Im still mad about that shit honestly. I took zero pleasure in hearing him scream, AND i got 86'd from that bar indefinitely. Lose-lose-lose.
If you train combat sports is one of the best
But if it's an avarage dude
He'll probably miss time the kick slip and get his ahh beaten
I've never heard anyone say kicks don't work in a street fight. I'm 6 foot 6 you best believe my shin is going right through somebody's knee when it comes down to it
@@lordfizzzit's not that they don't work it's more of a risk vs reward. IE you try a high kick while on grass slip, fall and now your getting soccer kicked to the face. Really depends on your training and terrain.
We should trade oblique kicks for 12-6 elbows
100% agree with this
Knees to grounded opponents over this move.
@@grumpycat9065knee and even kick to grounded opponent is legal, you just cant kick or knee their head. you can destroy their body real bad
12-6 elbows are way to dangerous
If anyone has ever sustained that injury it's career ending. To heal that takes more than a year of sitting out. And usually never 100 percent after
Dude went and won a belt in another company and is back in the UFC now. Healed up just fine.
Khabib had two acl tears and still won the belt
Dirty
Herb dean reacted so quick when you slow it down the instant he saw it he was on it what a good ref
Damn! Some dude was trying tat in sparring & I didn’t know how bad he was trying to injure me. What a D move.
I dont think its bad in sparring as long as you arent really putting power into it. Same with elbows
@@vincenzopolimeni3561both require a lot more control than you'd think. Situations change on the fly when sparring, if you're not in utmost control, those types of attacks can really hurt your partner with no intent on your own.
@@vincenzopolimeni3561yes they are because accidents happen.
In my gym they are not allowed sparring in; muay thai, mma, k1 etc. and for good reason.
@@rasmusdaugaardhansen8302 more or less depends on who your sparring. Some people are ok with thier sparing partner throwing elbows and knees etc in sparring
@@vincenzopolimeni3561 it is risky regardless of who youre fighting. Whether or not theyre ok with that is a seperate issue.
jon jones the first guy ever doing that shit in MMA
This kick should be illegal. Not Khalil's fault tho.
Well, he threw it didn’t he?
@@mikeg3950 but he only threw because those are legal in the first place. I think we should always hate the game more than we hate on the player.
If eye gouging was allowed, I wouldn't do it. I'm not going to intentionally and permanently ruin an opponents career for a win. I'm not that guy. I have zero respect for any fighter that is. Zero. All his hard work and discipline become meaningless in light of the kind of person he is. Some things should be more important than a check in the 'W' column.
@@tucobakunin8250 if it’s allowed why should he do it because you don’t like it
@@_lulltj8 Morality. Cultural ethos. A sense of decency. Basic human compassion. I can think of lots of reasons not to. It speaks volumes about you that you can't. Kinda sad, bro.
That’s a lethal move to a career
Being professional fighter should not want to end anothers career and permanent injury. Protect athletes
PSY
Go cry about it 😂
“Protect athletes” how about protect yourself at all times if you can’t defend the oblique kick then you shouldn’t be in the octagon 😂 Whittaker threw the same kick at Israel multiple times and Izzy still knocked him out because he has actual defense
@umso4l Bad when Jonans Khalil do it good when Rob and Holloway do it adoyyy
Lol , look for another then then
That must have been a lot of pain
Dude has made an inspiring comeback to win a world title.
Leg locks, the twister, suplexes, spiking, and neck cranks are all legal and dangerous too. Knee stomps are perfectly acceptable. I've been knee stomped when I went to pick up my frustrated ex friend. It hyper extended completely with no permanent damage. Rose getting spiked could've paralyzed her but that's legal too. It's MMA.
Leg locks, twister and neck cranks give time to tap though
Agreed
But if da referee sleeps, and the fighter goes hard can broke his chin and neck @@izaacjackson8972
Khalil needs to starts learning Jeet Kune Do under Tommy Carruthers. He will become more effective and more explosive.
that kick should be illegal! It does permanent damage and can cripple them in and out of the octagon.
Agreed! Such a cheap ass move 😡
I believe in full combat. But i don’t like the idea of having a move meant to cause that kind of damage. So i agree. People fight to feed their loved ones, not have their loved ones take care of them because their knees was destroyed 🫡
totally it should be illegal but u know martial arts u can even hit in the back of the head smh
Have you heard of CTE lol
so does multiple blows to the head.. if u can’t handle it stop watching
I'm really happy to see everybody agreeing that this kick has to be forbidden it's truly career ending
How many guys have had their career ended by that kick?
Khalil "the crippler" Rountree
I have zero formal training but my stepfather was military and because I was small, showed me a lot of things to manipulate weight or use bigger people against themselves. It’s so much easier for me to handle someone 80 lbs heavier than me than it is to handle someone closer to my own stature. Knee kicks were one of the first things he showed me because “if you can’t overpower them, or make them overpower themselves, you take the legs and then they’re fighting from below. Unless they train, nobody wants to fight from below you.”
I stand with the resist of Oblique Kick!!!
This is a front leg side kick, not an oblique (sorry to be that guy). Insanely damaging kick either way
Just because it’s effective doesn’t mean it should be allowed, if the ufc cares about injuries and fighter health they’ll ban it
Ban that career ending move
Bro what a fucking technique . Savage
Getting punched, kicked, kneed, elbowed, shouldered and slammed to the head is literally shaving years off your life.
I’d rather have a knee injury thanks to
You are such a 🐱 who knows absolutely nothing about fighting.
This is their job bro, you are literally putting them and their families in danger, and let’s not act like the injury itself won’t effect them physically down the road
Each of those things u listed are dangerous because they are repeated, all it takes is one oblique kick to cripple you for the rest of life, and guess what, since they can’t fight they won’t be able to afford the proper medical procedures in the first place.
And due to their injury they will likely get hit way more in their remaining fights than if they weren’t injured
It’s not just a kick the type of kick he’s using can end a career just like DAT
That’s the move Bruce Lee created
Honestly, hate the technique, but when you break down the set up, the timing and all that, damn good job on Roundtree’s part 🤷🏽♂️🙌🏽
One guys trying to give the other guy brain damage the other spin his knee completely around
That’s a life long injury forget the career man you would not wanna live with that pain afterwards it’s permanent
Hill going night night
Thay's when it start to be real martial art
This should def be banned it is a career ending move
Calculated😂
Great ref!
Surprised that so many people are saying this should be banned when, as far as I can tell, this kick is only career ending when your opponent stands in a super bladed stance with weight loaded onto the front foot. If you stand square with a light front foot (I.e. muay thai stance) then it's not a threat. So I feel like banning the kick (aside from being hard to ref consistently) is also problematic in that it's kind of a buff to a karate stance and a nerf to a muay thai stance.
EXACTLY!
...what are you taking about? The front leg doesn't hold the majority of the weight in a karate stance which is why we saw wonderboy take a bunch of those and fully recover after. It can be career ending whenever someone steps forward and loads their front foot which boxing heavy fighters will do more often than anyone else realistically. It should be banned because it's career ending not because of what style it helps or hurts. Like yeah banning shots to the back of the head is a massive buff to wrestlers, half the wrestling or more in the ufc wouldn't work if you could hit to the back of the head, but it's still banned because it's dangerous.
@@daredevil953i only did karate when i was young but my instructor Always told me to put weight on my front leg if i remember correctly
@@azog7132 could be taught differently in different places ig but I was a black belt technically and never learned that way. Weight was distributed pretty evenly so you could bounce easily and if anything front leg was slightly lighter so you could throw side kicks and lead leg round kicks more easily.
My favorite type of kick
that shit should be illegal
Benny the Jet said in the 70s kicks to the knees were not allowed.
He said you can't condition the joints to take damage. Enough said.
So it’s a good place to kick if you’re in an mma fight. Enough said. Stop fuckin crying you sound so fragile
Yeah unpopular opinion: shouldnt be legal in professional fights (or in my hobbyist). Akin to heek hooks for white belts. Yes very effective, yes self defense fantastic in 1v1 open air unobstructed area, but high propensity to irritate someones body for the rest of their life. Plenty of good fighting ro do beyond this.
Great breakdown too btw
Esses pisões no joelho deveriam ser proibidos
This move devastating af
That move 100% should not be in MMA if you can’t do a top down elbow and and can destroy somebody’s knee makes no sense. They proved a top down is not gonna kill somebody also I’ve had like five surgeries on my right knee all one ACL and it turned intosurgeries and multiple other tears
This is disgusting really. Ban this kick. This is a career-ender. I tore my ACL and Meniscus and despite rehab it took 18 months to recover and I was never the same. Its sick that this is allowed to continue knowing thats the impact it will likely have. All it takes is one wrong kick.
what graft did you use
@@kadamseth3817 hamstring graft
Imagine calling this illegal in a sport where your objectives are to hurt people
MMA wildin 😂😂😂 that should be illegal cmon now
Esse golpe deveria ser proibido, porque lesiona o lutador de uma forma que pode acabar com a carreira dele.
The kick should probably be outlawed but don't get mad at khalil or Jon Jones for using a LEGAL strike to win.
I hate this move so much. It should be illegal. This is a Jon Jones favorite.
Jon Jones uses every dirty move in the book.
@@MrAmharait’s not dirty
@@MrAmhara hes the dirtiest fighter ever i think , rampage still has knee problems from their fight.. Nevermind how many people hes eyepoked.
That’s nasty
Beautiful technique.
The kick does nothing or it breaks your knee for life, i think it should be illegal.
Well said no in between
All the ⚪️⚪️⚪️⚪️ people mad saying this should be illegal 🤣🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Zion Clark has new opponent.
Mfers complaining about getting it banned… not all fighters use it and only a niche select can execute it perfectly like JBJ and Khalil have lmao yall can crying and get better🤷🏻♂️
Yup v difficult to land perfectly like jbj or KR. we allow kicks and elbows to the head - brain cells can’t be fixed, knees can.
you can literally train a high schooler to do that if you think it’s hard you’re clearly not sparring enough or practicing the move very well, I’m not elite and I can do it and my cousin who is younger than me and in a lower grade watched a yt tutorial on it and got that shit in a week
@garthalmunemuralias9101 At the same time, all fighters in the ufc are ELITE, which means they can check the kicks, avoid the kicks, or counter them. So what he's trying to say is that people like Jon have been practicing these kicks, they put time and effort into making sure it will connect.
@@garthalmunemuralias9101your point doesn’t stand. “You can train a high schooler to do that”
That age is the peak of learning and human endurance. So what’s your point?
Sure a high schooler doesn’t have as much strength as an adult, but training them to learn anything will be easy.
Straight Up shouldnt ve allowed, anyone who disagress can also fight with having their knee popped out, skill & timing make great athletes but utilization is skill articulation.
Manz wiuod stomp on the street but keep our advesaries in ring intact & not result in unnecessary injuries.
That kick at round 2 time 2:42 was illegal
I thought this kick was illegal in the ufc. Its a career ender if it lands right
Good luck Achilles Jamahal Hill😂
Ça devrait être interdit ce coup.
hopefully he’s ok now ❤
Its an effective kick, but it could it's extremely dangerous. I know people will say what about a knee bar wnd other knee attacks? Uou have a chance to defend those. This is quick and could easily blow a knee out.
This kind of kicks should be illegal in combat sports
Hell no
Um golpe covarde q não deveria existir
Teria q ser proibido ...
Isso desqualifica ...isso é prejudicial pro atleta e pro esporte
he certainly should have less weight on the lead leg when fighting a thai style fighter
People saying this kick should be banned? Y’all tried golf? Maybe Table Tennis? Maybe playing PS5 ?
Nah that should be illegal
Brutal
I don't know which is more terrible the kick or the music 😢
This has to be forbidden man, it kills the longevity and it is almost not %100 recoverable.
I am not saying roundtree ddid anything wrong, BUT I wish this move was banned
This kick should be banned. Career ender, and at that level, life changer…
Smecar
Keep it in and unban soccer kicks, grounded knees to head and 12 - 6 elbows
It’s always been one of the most dangerous strikes in mma fortunately it’s kind of dirty and frowned on. You wouldn’t usually see people use it other than maybe the likes of Jon Jones. But in a street fight oh for sure it’s going to be one of the first things I do.
Absolutely. Guy in video was immediately retired and underwent a knee repairment surgury because apprently he broke it.
A fight is a fight...he should have avoided the kick it's his fault only that's what martial arts is about....survival
The oblique kick shouldn't be allowed in any combat sports. It takes way too little effort to destoy a person's knee (and probably career) that way.
This kick can end a fighter’s career, the kick should be illegal in mma
Knee dislocation and breakage moves should be completely illegal. We love on from Roman times!
Brutal. All martial arts have fatal or life altering attacks doesn't mean they should be allowed.
I am surprised it did broke and hang after such a powerful kick on the joint . Should be banned totally.
Should be banned but as long as it aint you gotta be prepared for it 😅
Brother that’s not a cross counter 😂
Honestly as a fighter I couldn't do that to someone. Just not my style.
Not sure about making this illegal. A knee to the face is just as brutal, and way easier to pull off. Making that timing to hyper extend the knee is 1 in 100. Other than Khalil pulling it off, when was the last time you saw someone win a fight by hyper extension? Really think.
Its very obvious this shouldn't be allowed
Everyone crying like the strike isn’t legal or something 😂
It is legal, but it probably shouldn't be. The idea that a 12-6 elbow is too dangerous but this is fine is insane.
Who is this guy🎉🎉🎉
Might as well allow soccer kick. Knees to the head on the ground. Head butts
Beautiful kick
He lean muaythai
That very naughty it still a competitive sport . You not fighting in battle field to save your life . The organisers they should look at some rules and guidance is just sport
he is jones fan
That hurts just watching. That move should be banned.
That is not a oblique kick, the oblique muscle is located on either of your sides just above you hips
That’s what it’s called, it doesn’t mean it specifically has to use your oblique muscles
How the fck its even allowed that kick is illegal
If this is legal why not eye gouging?
Please ban this carrer ending kick😢
Jon jones used that ALL the time. Now since it ended a fight its bad?
Should be illegal and he should be banned for that its a sport at the end of the day nothing more
Deadly kick that could end a fighters career 😮
Head kicks are way worse for your health and they are allowed!