Jen Hatmaker: Fierce and Free Or Full of The Feels?
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- Hillary Ferrer and Teasi Canon join me on today's video to discuss Jen Hatmaker's latest book, Fierce, Free, and Full of Fire. We analyze the worldview of the book and how it interacts with biblical Christianity. We also discuss the recent podcast episode Hatmaker recorded with her daughter about LGBT inclusion.
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I appreciate the streaks of silver/gray on all three screens... hugs to all of you for helping the women in the faith to know that true life in Christ is found in the safety of obedience, graciousness, and a ton of strength through submission.
Gray hair is a crown of glory; it is gained by living a godly life. proverbs 16:31 💕
@@angieruthw Amen
I saw that too, and loved it.
Wisdom highlights 🙌🏼
Alisa has probably become my favorite apologist along with Mike Winger. I've just seriously begun listening to apologists recently. They both speak with such clarity and simple enough for the average person without making me feel they are being condescending. I love Alisa's interviews. I hope many more people find this channel.
Love this comment because I relate so much. ❤️
@@sinolukhalo5121 Good to see someone appreciate those who don't have the name recognition. I hope they know how much they are appreciated!
Alisa has helped me understand why I get so frustrated with “Progressive Christians.” As I talked with them across social platforms I began to see patterns in their conversation. I saw postings that seemed “good” but not Biblically accurate. I read their comments about their view of God, the Bible and how they seemed to change definitions of words and concepts. Alias opened my eyes and I am grateful.
@@kurtanderson5023 AMEN!
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Listened to this last night and read 2Timothy 3 this morning - “6 For among them are those who worm their way into households and deceive gullible women overwhelmed by sins and led astray by a variety of passions, 7 always learning and never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.” Don’t remember if this was mentioned while you guys were talking. I have been listening to these book reviews a few times each. Toddler mom life - sometimes it’s hard to just focus on one thing at a time 🤪🙃
Thank you sharing. Always a good reminder to be discerning.
Hope it's all going well with your toddler! 🤣
Yiu make an excellent point
That scripture describes what sometimes women do to each other
Men tend to be mislead by a seduction into some type of power move (obvious in some church circles)
I want to cheer you on as you “mom!” You are doing a great job as you depend on the empowering of the Spirit in your parenting. Blessings!! (From a fellow mom a little ahead in the mom journey.)
Thanks for that scripture. Hadn't thought of that before
An incredibly gospel-affirming chat. Thanks ladies and thankyou for bucking the trend of redefining the gospel message which is so horribly prevalent today. It is indeed a contrary gospel where we become lord over our own lives.
The heart is deceitful above all.-Jeremiah 17:9
we received a new heart that is perfect ... Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. we don't act perfect because our minds still need to be renewed
The Spirit changes our mind and strengthens us in good desires. This can take effect in our ordinary everyday lives when we submit ourselves to righteousness.
@@JesusJoyJourney amen! People always quote that Old Testament scripture about the unregenerate and sinful heart.
I have recommend your podcast to my church and another sister in Christ. Thank you for seeking truth. God is so amazing and may His name be praised. He is the LORD. Forever and ever.
You know it’s good when it’s 56 minutes long and you wish it could have gone on longer. I haven’t read Hatmaker’s book but I feel like I listened to a very thorough and biblical critique of the book and Hatmaker’s positions. Excellent input all around from Alisa and her guests.
We want so badly to have someone else acknowledge our experiences and the hurt associated with them that we don’t stop to question the measure of truth in the “cure”.
Really great review 🙏 thank you 😊
The best place to find answers is God's Word. There is the answer to our needs and godly, mature believers. I was thinking about how satan tried to deceive Jesus. He waited until he was very hungry after the 40 days and offered him power, wealth and going against God's will. Everything he offered was to put himself first when Jesus was not put here to put himself first. So much of the false doctrine now is about putting ourselves first, looking at ourselves as gods, etc. Whenever the focus is from God and to ourselves, it's wrong.
Two things, Alisa. I have a dear friend who came out of homosexuality and is passionate about sharing her story. I think I have a video of her testimony that I can send you if you'd like.
Also, Jonathan Pokluda has an incredible teaching on how affirming homosexuality is not love. It's one of the kindest messages I have heard in dealing with homosexuality while never deviating from truth.
Still listening but popping in the chat to suggest you take the part where Teasi makes the analogy about the ingredients in food and create a separate short clip for people to share!! So good!
Yes! I agree. I had the same thought and I would love to be able to share it in her words.
I agree. Great analogy 👍🏼
I craved the same thing. Just that clip for a couple minutes. A Gem!
Just wanted to remind Hillary that the college president she mentioned telling his students about conviction is @dreverettpiper (not at Oklahoma Baptist btw). And his book Not A Daycare tells that story and more (oh and he’s my husband ;-) Great discussion by the way and love the mult-generational aspect as well.
Marci, I recommend his book in the "recommended resources on page 272 of the Mama Bear Apologetics book. I LOVED that book! I read it I a day I think. And ahhhh! Oklahoma Wesleyan! Sorry about that. Thanks for the correction! - HMF
I thought OBU chapel must have changed a *LOT* since my very strange time there :)
Hi to Oklahomans!
Tell Hillary that my mom loves Mama Bear Apologetics and even had me read it (I'm 14). She also had me first listen to your (Alisa's) podcast and it is amazing!
OH MY GOSH! I love stories like this! I'm so glad that moms are sharing it with their kids! Have you found it helpful in recognizing all the madness going on? - HMF
@@MamaBearApologetics Yes, it has been very helpful. I have currently only gotten as far to finish linguistic theft, but even that had helped me in watching and reading stuff. Thank you SO much for writing such a good book! It had helped me a lot!
@Tristan Windham, keep stoking your faith with good, sound Bible teaching and you will avoid the pitfalls in this 🌎. God bless you.
Sounds to me like Hatmaker is a life coach that uses context free bible verses.
Yep. The carnal teaching the carnal, the blind leading the blind...
@@MultiTacs What are the things that spiritually lead you to believe this book is based on the New age? My question isn't meant to come across as mocking or to start a confrontational exchange. I'm genuinely interested in your mindset. 😌
Yes, and not even a good one. Sad she’s strayed so far.
Let’s put Jen on our prayer lists to pray for true salvation
This is so important to understand. It took me 38 years to discover this truth; that my heart is deceiving me! I thought following my heart was good!
I called myself an intuitive empath. I lived by my feelings. I thought I was a good person.
Turns out I was a self righteous fool.
way to be humbled! this was a bold statement
Wow, powerful!
Don't beat yourself up to much many of us make that mistake...self deception is the worst kin do of deception...it is hard to overcome, so to handful for Jesus and Holy Spirit...convicting and changing me!
I appreciate the content that your channel is putting out. Important for Christian's to understand the importance of the mind to the Christian life so we wont be "tossed to and fro by every wind of teaching".
Amen and amen (not awoman! Haha)!!!
Our weakness repeats itself, always falling back on becoming our own savior and performing our way out. Then we put God into that.
@23:55 Teasi's analogy of food... awesome! What an image of seeing 'all the benefits none of the cost' version of Hatmaker's gospel.
Hillary Ferrer! What an analysis, thank you!
-"When loving God results in pain, exclusion, harm or trauma to people then we are doing the first part wrong" said Hatmaker.
The analysis by Hillary: "What you have is these two commands from scripture that says to, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul. And love your neighbor as yourself." Where we would say we are going to interpret everything for loving our neighbor through 'what does it mean to Love God,' she [Hatmaker] actually flips it and she interprets what does it mean to love God based on what she thinks loving her neighbor looks like." ... Seeking our neighbors motivation as the lens for seeing God, not God's lens for understanding his motivation for seeing our neighbor.
Ladies this was fantastic! I would never choose to read Jens book but was interested to hear what you had to say. I learned so much beyond just a book review. You really have some great talking points and insight.
I just loved this discussion and I learned so much! Thank you for sharing your wisdom and biblical knowledge on these topics. I can't wait to share this and listen again while taking notes!
I had the privilege of seeing Christopher Yuan & his mother give their testimonies you speak of at Urbana 2012. So beautiful & encouraging!
Alisa, I’m totally binging all your content on here, and I’m just obsessed! All these strong and intelligent women!!! Thank you!
Same! I'm so glad she started a YT channel. Excellent content and great commentary.
@@shelbycurry721 I know!! It’s literally one of the best content channels I’ve seen in so long. Especially for my particular demographic. I want a good Christian Woman’s perspective on pretty much everything. But most female channels stay only within 1 topic. I love that she’s talking about everything effecting us and our Church! :)
@@jaquirox6579 I would say that she does focus more on the Progressive Christianity movement, and comes from that perspective. If you are interested in two more great "discernment" type channels, I would look into Melissa Dougherty and Doreen Virtue. They are both ex-New Age and they focus on the New Age and how to creeps into the Church at large. Also look into Holly Pivec. She has done some excellent, exhaustive writing on the New Apostolic Reformation, which is one to look out for.
Happy watching and God bless you! Let's both try to use what we learn to get others informed and safe from errant doctrine. ❤
@@shelbycurry721 Oh yes, I found a lot of her initial videos to be around PC. But she seems to continue to spread out farther and farther in her topics now, which I’m really enjoying! And I am very familiar with Melissa, and Doreen, and Holly P. I have followed all of them for a long time now, and I’ve probably watched every single video on TH-cam with them, at least from the last 2 years, or more! Lol! I divulge sound Christian content on here at a very very fast rate. I just can’t get enough of it! I am personally, extremely bothered by how much WoF/NAR/PG/NA has really taken over our mainstream churches. So I really enjoy listening to wise people discuss those topics. At this point I’m pretty deep into niche videos though, lol! I guess that’s what happens when you consume so much of it. :) If u have any other recommendations I would love to hear them. :)
@@jaquirox6579 I'm pretty similar to you then! I love love love apologetics videos. 🥰😯 I'm sure if you've been watching Melissa that long you probably know a ton more Christian YT peeps than me lol. But just in case you haven't Mike Winger is great, I love Wretched Radio with Todd Friel, and I'm sure you know a lot more people than me so whoever else I would normally recommend you probably already know them. 😅
I'm thinking about making a channel centered on Lukewarm Christianity and how to avoid it (that is a big part of my personal testimony).
Broken people need Jesus; only He can make us whole and healthy ❤️
More of Him, less of me
Agree 100%.
Woman of God. So wise. They are the kind of woman we should be listening too and then going to the word of God and digging for ourselves.
I'm so thankful for them. I absolutely love it when Hilary talks.
Mama Bear Apologetics is such an amazing resource!! Thank you for all your work on this.
I don't really love reading but I read it twice and will most definitely read it many times more as my kids grow up! I recommend it to everyone and have extra copies for gifting on the way in the mail.
Blessings!
That is high praise indeed! - HMF
Loved this insightful discussion. Favorite line (paraphrased): my job as a Christian is to see where I'm sinning and where I can repent; if my arm causes me to sin, cut it off, not celebrate it and change the rules.
Thank you sisters in Christ! God bless you all and everyone who listens with ears to hear.
Great discussion. Countering lies with the pure Gospel.
Love watching smart women because I am one. I wish I'd known about apologetics when I was young. I'm just learning some stuff. I love discipleship and I want to be able to give younger women answers.
The inner work lead me to Jesus so there's good that can come from these. I grew up being abused by my father and bullied by others. I was completely broken from life and I started when I picked up a book "The Power of Now". It taught me alot about why I feel as i did and why I did what I did. From there more books and still broken with knowledge striving to change and then I heard the true gospel and instant change. The brokenness gone in one night, which I believe was the day Godly sorrow hut my heart like a lightning bolt and then forgiven. Everything has changed. I love the lord and hoping he will use me for something great in helping others like me to help lead them to the only healer and genuine love!
Great job addressing this book and these teachings. These are the types of things we need to be talking about and bringing clarity to in this culture of “self love and self pleasure” really appreciate you ladies and this review.
Praying for Jen. Thanks for the insight. Getting into the Word each day and following what God is teaching us is SO vital! Keeping us on His straight and narrow path.
Several years ago I felt a big check in my spirit about Jen Hatmaker. And I had been a fan. But I stopped following her on social media. I’m so glad. She’s literally frightening in how badly she wants to be popular and how she’s using her influence not to point to righteousness through Christ and the love and justice He cares about and His true followers care about but to point to herself and to righteousness through the religion of social justice.
Excellent discussion. Thanks to all of you! Many nuggets of wisdom.
Wow!!! - great discussion ladies(I hope that word doesn't 'offend' anyone!)! I Posted on FB that I am Often OFFENDED when I Read the Bible or hear some great preaching: it is a good 'Offense'! This is something I learned as a teenager/convert to faith! - that conviction(of sin) is from the Holy/Spirit!!
such a joy to see such strong women. this is what the church needs. many a men should take lessons from you. God bless and keep you.
Great video!
I read this book a couple months ago. After the first two chapters I started feeling very uneasy. With everything going on in our world right now and the ideas pushed by her book I felt some serious spiritual sadness.
That would be the Holy a spirit letting you know these things Jen wrote are not in line with Truth. Always pay attention to that “check” in your spirit.
What was your sadness about do you think?
@@saskiascott8181 That somebody I considered a Christian obviously has changed to a false gospel. Also, that I was blind to this new movement in Christianity. Then that this is happening and causing division. Breaks my heart.
Great insights, ladies. Thank you for teaching me and giving me such valid points to share, in love.
Good review of Hatmaker’s book that promotes progressive (aka apostate) Christianity. Ironically, one of the commercials that came on during your video was promoting a movie that showed two men kissing.
😳wow, falls in line with progressive Christianity. How ironic
Thank you for the insightful discussion. I like to hear sound theology.
Excellent conversation! Thank you ladies
I loved the connection to the leprosy issue of not detecting real pain.
This was terrific Alisa! Thank you so much!
Alisa is the most lovely and honest godly womam what a great example for so many women 🙏🙏
Never trust the heart! Above all the heart is most deceitful.
Thank you so much for this insightful podcast!!! Wonderful!!!
What a wonderful interview!!!
Now I want to go buy the Mama Bear book! Thank you for this discussion. I appreciate these podcasts:)
Such a great analysis and conversation ladies! I greatly appreciate your wisdom and insight!
I can see how Ms. Hatmaker was willing to change her convictions as a mom. I wish more Christians would really be willing to talk. My daughter is gay and even now thinks she should have been born a boy. I believe that this almost exclusively turned my kids away from God. They now try to “respect our beliefs” because they seem “good for” us but they believe that we basically harmed them by bringing them up Christian. My son was pretty active at church as a young teenager and would bring his friends from public school. I found something he wrote while going through counseling recently and realized it was right around the time my daughter “came out” to him. He wrote that he was so worried about his sister and his friends because they didn’t believe in God and were going to go to hell that he began to do a lot of research which led him to believe that it was all a bunch of “BS” ( he of course wrote the word). He then wrote that he gave up religion and wrote “SO RELIEVING!!”. As a parent, you will do anything for a kid which probably led this woman to search and we know there are pretty convincing arguments out there. I really wanted to figure out a way to make gay ok in Gods eyes but acting it out just isn’t. It’s very hard and sad to have to admit that conclusion and carry on life with the kids you love beyond measure.
“If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple."
At a certain point you need to give up that relationship to God and trust in his sovereignty. That seems like a really tough situation but like you said, there are certain things you cannot condone with a christian belief system.
Such a wonderful video, Alisa, Teasi, and Hillary! So needed… you gals emulated Acts 17:11 for us
HOLY COW. some of the quotes from Jen Hatmaker sounded like straight up New Age blasphemous false gospel stuff! It's actually the whole, " Satan masquerading as an angel of light." It's candy-coated poison. I don't think calling it Satanic is hyperbole. It's definitely Anathema.
Thanks, Ladies! I tell clients (I am a Christ focused counselor) all the time that God is not sitting on His throne saying (of our sin), “oh, that’s ok, I just want you to be happy.” No, our anxiety or depression can be a result of our sin. God is not going to make it easy for us to be at ease with our sin. He is calling us to repent and turn to Him.
As you all were saying, pain is a sign, a warning signal that something is wrong. Something needs to change.
I point to Jer 17:5 - Cursed is the man who trusts in man, who makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns from the Lord. They are like a tumbleweed in the desert. It is a curse that Jen is operating under.. she has given into a false gospel that says that love means agreement with others who are in sin. But that is not love.
The word says that ‘wounds from a friend can be trusted but an enemy multiplies kisses.’ PR 27:6. I’d much rather a friend who loves me enough to point out my sin than someone who kisses my butt so I feel ok about myself.
Have you overcome your anxiety and depression?
Thank you, Ladies!!!! Brilliant.
I don't know anything about this author or her book but this discussion is so helpful because you present many principles of discernment that can be applied while we listen & consider any books, podcasts, & teachings we come across.
“If it’s too good to be true, then it probably is”. Great syrup analogy! Sounds like another book/theology of self help, rather than looking to the amazing work of our Savior on the cross. He doesn’t need our help, he is all powerful, and the Bible is absolutely without error. Thanks so much for sharing your important thoughts on this book. There are a lot of women who have difficulty being discerning on there own.
As I listened to this podcast, Jen’s beliefs sound eerily similar to Joel Osteen’s.
At risk of being *completely* snarky, does he have any beliefs?
My Mom was the first person who I heard say "ear tickler". She's always been my best teacher, favorite person to talk to when I had any questions about Scripture or was excited about something new I learned in study or prayer...
I had no idea that Alzheimer's could rob her, at 69, of ... well, that illness is insidious and I'm feeling sorry for myself, which is gross. But this - getting to listen to these ladies is like a cup of cool water after a very long time in the desert.
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Excellent ❤️
Thank you for treating the subject of your podcast with respect, being direct and clear and compassionate without being derogatory. This is so important ~ Jesus is full of grace AND truth.
So many brilliant points made here. Thank you for this.
We don’t ever want to usher others to the edge of hell with our “love” and acceptance. True Love is leading others, in Biblical Truth and Love, to the feet of JESUS. Either tilling the soil, planting, watering or harvesting♥️
We were made for the Kingdom of God, which has dawned with the resurrection of Christ. And the highest "productive pleasure" is to daily pick up and carry our cross. Some days it feels good and some days it feels like dreadful drudgery. But that is how God will sanctify and grow us into full humanity.
Excellent as always. Thank you for your gracious handling of something that is so energized by a feelings based theology. Thank you for reiterating our need to submit to Christ as our Lord and to first seek what He desires in our hearts about things. As simple as that seems, it looks to be a lost principle in westernized Christianity.
This is a rock solid video with excellent commentary from three wise sisters in Christ. Thank you so much for these much needed videos, Alisa. My mom had a Jen Hatmaker book and now I think I will encourage her not to read it, or to at least fact check everything against the Bible.
I’m curious about how many times you perfect Christian women reached out to Jen whilst she was being attacked, blackballed & cancelled. It’s women like you that keep me far far away from fakes like y’all! Evangelicals are all like this. God Bless @JenHatmaker.
Very good conversation ladies, thank you so much for this.
God bless each and everyone of you.
Very good conversation. Thank you ladies.
Very well done, sisters. I pray each of you will be granted more influence in teaching these important truths. We are certainly in days of great deception and false Gospels.
Just found your channel, loving having some women that are godly and follow God and scripture to listen to! Have y'all covered Kelly Minter, our church is doing her faithful God Bible study soon.
Great discussion, ladies. Thanks.
That was some discussion!! Got to say Alisa brings it on beautifully. Love it love it.
Thank you for the interesting exploration and exploring the issues of, 'feels'.
Concerning those it might be helpful to consider Martha Stout's realization, (on page 107 of her book The Sociopath Next Door) that the most "reliable sign", "universal behavior of unscrupulous people" is "an appeal to our sympathy." or the Pity Play.
All the best...
So good.... I think I need to listen to it over and over and over, because the points made here are so pertinent to the current times and in relation to people I know. Thank you, ladies, for sharing your conversation with us!
Wow this has to be a tough touchy topic to cover, you guys did it really well in a very caring way while sticking to truth.
Sin cannot be affirmed, God has reasons. Proverbs even affirms the role of a male and female, father and mother. However, I do notice that some sins like homosexuality or divorce are more open and so therefore spoken of and out against more while others are swept under rugs (not by y'all, just in general). There are many other sins afflicting christians that also need to be touched on in church so conviction can occur and not be dismissed "in love" since scripture (1 for 5:11 and other verses) teaches us not to even break bread with brethren like that or that these will not inherit the kingdom. If they are true Christ followers transformation will occur sooner than later no matter the sin. They can be loved and as a person in general it shouldn't effect our view of them, but yes as a true christian and someone we can fellowship with. There should be a way of accepting them in the church building, as all unbelievers are welcome to come and hear the gospel, but there is a line.
This was excellent. Thank you, ladies!
I’m very empathetic and sensitive so my heart speaks loud and clear. The Lord made me that way and uses this in the way He sees fit. We can’t put everyone in the same category.
Thank you ladies for this amazing Podcast I have noticed a lot with people that are Christians around my age want the Affirmation when they identify as gay etc. especially parents & colleagues will unfortunately go to the affirming side then stand up for Biblical truth on that issue.
I hope parents realize that there may be something very unbiblical when the child comes out and wants them to be fully accepted with actions that go against God's word.
I came to specifically find this episode because Jen Hatmaker is now gonna be on Brene Brown's Podcast. Brene's reach is huge, but I also think Brene is a progressive christian, and lots of people are gonna hear their messages and believe them. I for one would prefer to be better equipped to hear those views in light of traditional Christianity, so thank you
Great video...I learned a bunch from these ladies. Smarts and wisdom abounds. Lots of pretty going on here, too. :)
I love this discussion! One additional thought I had on Jen H. is her intense desire to accept and affirm homosexuality is mainly fueled by her love for her daughter. It makes sense in that light. She wants to move the world so that it accepts her daughter.
Liz
It’s my understanding that she affirmed homosexuality a few years before her daughter came out. More like she opened that door to sin and it has invaded her home. Either way if she believed her Bible she wouldn’t be moving the world to accept her daughter she would be seeking counseling for her. But if she was worshipping the correct God in the first place this probably never would of happened.
Cecilia Ramos I think they knew the daughter was gay a few years back and that’s what started their twisting of scripture to accept it before it became public...sad all around
understandable but unfortunate. Doing things that are acceptable to your eternally loving creator is more important than being accepted by a wicked world. Praying for them though.
They have known about it for years.
That won't hold up as a defense come judgement day.
This was such a great conversation to listen too. Nothing like my boring book club. 📚The subtle 🌡comment was noted. 👊 🌿
"This is your best life" is a statement where your assent, or lack there of, are both correct.
I enjoyed listening to this program especially the discussion about 'linguistic death'. In conservative Catholic circles I have heard a similar expression "weaponised ambiguity".
Excellent conversation!
EXCELLENT! Intelligent and thoughtful women! I admire you greatly.
Excellent, thank you ladies.
Happy I found you ladies!
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices in the truth.
Thank you, ladies!!!
I haven't listened yet, but my first response was NO OF COURSE NOT! Even the Bible tells us the heart lies. Why would I trust or listen to a liar? Now to hear what these ladies have to say.
Just a little clarification about leprosy. Leprosy is actually caused by a bacteria (Mycobacterium Leprae) but it causes nerve damage, hence not being able to feel an inujury depending on what kind of nerve involvement one has. When I think of “neurological” I think “brain.” Thanks for a great show!
Did Alisa say there would be a link to JH and her daughter discussing her book? I’m not seeing it, if so.
This isn’t the first time I’ve heard of parents throwing out their belief system in order to be cool or stay in favor with their children. They couldn’t have been solid in their convictions if that is the case. It all sounds like a false gospel. Scary. I hate to think of the women lead astray by this.
"That syrup'll preach!" Love it!😂🏴
The key to manipulation is emotion.
I did a similar thing with a raisins that claimed to have 50% less sugar. I noticed that they tasted different. I looked at the ingredients and typed one into google and it was the scientific 🧪 name for Splenda. There were also at least 3 more ingredients than the regular Craisins had. The original Craisins have only TWO ingredients: cranberries & sugar.
Keep your focus on things above not things on the earth, the better you can do this, the better off you are. The "you're best life now", is totally focused on things on the earth, material things, flesh things.
It's like 2+2=4 becomes narrow-minded - what if means something else and you're holding on to the 'old lie'? Who would dream of questioning the truth of mathematics?
I like this. I feel like there is very little actual bible study and learning but alot of messages and preaching and feelings but little Bible study it's sad.
WOW Impact 360 sounds AMAZING
Love the thing about the plain reading of the scriptures. I’m having a hard time understanding the Calvinists perspective and how they interpret the scripture so strangely that you’d have to be a theologian to even begin to wrap your head around their ideas. It’s not a plain reading. And most of us are common, lay people.