@outdoorbros just got my Aethos Expert in Carbon chameleon /Ultegra 12 speed Di2. Upgraded handle bars to s-works and wheels to Zipp 404 firecrest. It’s super fast and looks great. I can’t imagine the s-works FACT 12R frame would make a massive difference. Great review really helped me choose my bike over the sl7. Cheers😎
The best analogy of value I’ve ever heard and spot on! Cycling for most of us is a hobby so we never evaluate value on “need” it’s always on what it makes you feel in your heart!
Excellent review. I rode a Tarmac sl4 since 2013 and loved it. Then I thought about replacing it for my 50th birthday in 2021. Fall 2020: I was drooling over the new Tarmac and was planning to buy the Pro version. At this moment came out the Aethos and at first I also thought: no, not for me, this retro bike, non aero and so on… the owner of my local bike shop then told me that there wouldn’t be any Tarmac Pro U Di2 for sale in Canada in 2021, only the tarmac Pro SRAM 1X, which I didn’t want. But he convinced me to take a closer look at the Aethos. I read lots of reviews about it and finally ordered an Aethos Pro for spring 2021. And it’s hands down the best bike I ever rode. I now love the understated look of this bike. Speed and handling are amazing but at the same time it’s so smooth! No problem taking big pulls in group ride or at a sportive with lots of climbing I do each year (and btw I did my best time ever at that sportive). And as I love to go on bike trips in the Alps or Pyrenees, it’s going to be so easy to pack in the bike box.
Couldn't agree more- the Aethos is amazing for all of those reasons. Congrats on the PR! I think the Aethos is slightly misunderstood and it's potential not fully realized just yet.
Well I’m that guy that bought a 22 S-works Crux built it GRX Di2 and then had another 22 Crux sent to me on Warranty replacement for a 19 Crux. Well I sold the replacement and just ordered the S-works Aethos to build coming mid March. The nuts thing is I’m coming off a Allez Sprint all tricked out for crits. Over that style riding at 55 years old so that first ride on the Aethos aught to be 😳 lol. Love your channel!
Outstanding review. A comparison I was waiting for based on real rider experience. I was leaning towards the Aethos, and now, there is no doubt based on your rider expectations. Another gentleman on your earlier review confirmed 12R vs 10R. Now I just have to find an Aethos in stock. That is a challenge in itself.
Thank you! Finding them in stock is so tricky. They’re such amazing bikes. I just installed a ceramic speed wheel kit and I think it completes the bike- it’s so fast now.
Thanks so much for this review. I’ve bought and sold two Tarmac’s over the past three years because I never felt super comfortable in comparison to my Diverge. Now my Diverge has become mostly a road bike and my HT mtn bike does gravel and mtn duty. Last year I did 7600 miles and 550,000 feet of climbing here in SoCal. Having a mtn bike background, I’m must more comfortable on a real mtn bike in the dirt even though I love the Diverge. Going into 2022 I upped my riding goals and I think it’s time for a dedicated road bike again. I may go and grab an Aethos today and part ways with the Diverge. It’s tough to give up such a nice bike with really no complaints but I know the Aethos will outshine it on the road in every way. I may keep both but I’m not sure if my budget really should take that it.
What’s up Jordan? Have you ridden together? Your name looks familiar. The lines blur quite a bit between HT mountain bike and diverge. You could argue that one of those could be eliminated. While not totally knowing your riding style, I would think you could eliminate the Divege and use the hardtail for gravel with a less aggressive tire. The Aethos is 👑. You’ll love it.
@@outdoorbros_ I picked up the Aethos yesterday and put in a 50 miler. Really great handling bike. I didn’t feel a beat up as I often did in my Tarmac. Very flickable and nimble yet stiff enough I can still feel like all of my power is being used not wasted. Yes I’ll most likely ditch the Diverge at some point. I tried search for an SWORKS crux frameset but they’re all gone. According to my shop the chances of more showing up this year are slim to none. We may have ridden together at some point. Seems like we’re on the same roads and trails around this area.
@@vongdong10 I don’t wish to own two very identical bikes. My Diverge is amazing and does it’s job well. For a true road bike I wanted something different. Something faster and lighter. I enjoyed all the features of my Tarmac aside from comfort. The Aethos is a more comfortable Tarmac IMO. I’ve been riding it more and I can confirm it is.
Very well put together video comparing these two. I’ve been trying to decide between the two (at Pro/SRAM Force level spec) and then the Scott Addict RC line caught my attention. The Scott lines up more closely to the Tarmac vs Aethos but two things are compelling about the Scott: 1) Value - Scott seems to be priced more aggressively offering a Force build at just a coup,w hundred more than Spesh Comp (Rival) build and 2) Scotts design on an integrated cockpit seems really well thought out allowing easy bar/ stem swaps for the DIY wrench.
It seems some manufacturers are eating most of their margin on components to move volume. I noticed this on the prices of the Cervelo Asperos last year. The prices are 15-20% less than a comparison model from the big brands.
My second option was scott addict in fact. But reason I swayed away was actually integrated bar stem and internal routing. I build and maintain my bikes 100%, one more thing, travelling with a bike that has custom parts and integrated bar stem cabling etc is a bit of a hassle. The simplicity of aethos is what had me. Mind u, this is no different to my bikes from the past few decades, but none were disc and under 7kg.
I went with the addict rc. I've ridden tarmac and venges. The Scott feels less twitchy and more precise compared to the tarmac. The fit is more European as well flatter top tube.
thanks for the video. I bought an aethos for exclusivity, in my town there is only my bike. also because the reviewers commented that it was very comfortable and at the same time effective. Also value the classic style of it and it will not easily go out of style.
Really enjoying your videos and they way you articulate all the elements to the bike and tell it how it is ...especially on price and value. I agree on a bike that is different to so many out there ... the S-Works SL& is a dream bike but there seems to be so many on the roads now so a bike that looks different is a nice choice.
Hi Chris. Just discovered this channel, great content! What can I say I do totally agree w/ you. These days all the bikes looks the same: Aero, dropped seat stays, integrated cable routing.... I feel, over the last few years road bikes have lost personality. For that very same reason the Aethos appeals to me. As you say understated classic looks that does not take away any perceivable performance, at least for us mere mortals (aka non-pros). Actually the older I get the more I miss the old looks of the traditional bikes. If I had the cash I'd probably go for a Moots Vamoots with a mechanical dura-ace with external cable routing (and well, disc brakes, I'll keep that :-) ) Best regards for Spain and thanks for your videos
Coming from a tarmac SL2 and dropping S Works SL7 riders for fun, I feel like I would enjoy a beautifully built Aethos with a clean 1x12 setup and Reserve 52/63 on tan wall tires. Working full time, and with a young family, i want something that allows me to enjoy that limited free time on the road. A move to 28mm tyres from 26mm showed me how much comfort I was leaving on the table for no real benefit.
Fantastic review. Articulate and well organized. Had my “brain” set on a Tarrmac but after visiting my local bike shop, and looking at the ethos, reading the reviews, and getting real about the nature of the writing, that I actually do, which is mostly solo, and I never race, the tarmac just does not make any sense.
9:30 in Lotoja! great job! I am on a ten year old S-Works Tarmac and love it BUT, old school brake heat warped my wheel going down LCC on the Five Canyons ride this weekend. Time to upgrade. So locked in on S-Works I didn't even consider the Pro...now I think with a good wheelset and groupset I will be GTG for the long climbs and Lotoja next year. Great review man!
Thank you for this review and your thought. I have the allez sprint and I love it, I love the speed and the feeling. Because it is related to the tarmac, I rather thought about buying the Aethos, because it ist more different. Hopefully it is the right decision.
Great comparison Chris! I also have an Aethos and SL7, Crux etc. haven’t had a chance to put more miles on the SL7 or Crux but I tend to lean towards the Aethos on solo rides on the pure fact of the best balanced and most enjoyable ride.
Great review! I stumbled across your video and glad I watched. I have been wondering about the Aethos and just haven't seen a review with a down-to-earth honest review. The Aethos is for me. I have had racing bikes, and loved the speed and handling...not the comfort. I'll take good handling and comfort any day.
ever thought about buying the roval alpinist cockpit for the aethos. I know it's got the drawback of onepiece, but it matches the overall aestetics of the aethos very well. and i am sure you know what length and width you would need by now anyways, so a one piece cockpit is no big deal. it is just so pretty - i feels like the roval alpinist cockpit perfectly matches the shape of the bike
It’s definitely a good look. I just wanted something more traditional and something with more modularity. Especially after having bikes like the Venge Vias where adjusting and changing one cockpit component is a task.
I'm never worried about looks,i want t ride,hard..I'm an adult,so I left the obsession about looks back in HS. Then again,I learned to get past being validated by what others think,say,and give their opinion about. That's why my fav was my Cannondale,that gave me the immediate response hitting those pedals. That being said,I do not want a pink or orange bike with polka dots,yet I do love a stiffer frame.
I'd love either one. I have a 2017 Tarmac that I've upgraded with Ultegra Di2, it's great. But can't put tires as wide as you can now. But $$$ for these new ones.
The 2017 Tarmac should fit 28's, right? If so, you're set! And yes, the new bikes are outrageously pricey. I've found that if you can buy used or get a discount (becoming very difficult these days), you can ride the bikes for a year or so and not be out too much $$$.
@@outdoorbros_ I put 28s on and there was about 2.5 mm clearance to the back of the seat tube. It seemed too close for comfort and made me nervous. Do you think that's enough space? Not a problem in the front. On my wheels they actually puff out to 29 mm.
Love my Aethos for the same reasons. Also, since it's mine, I pronounce it EE-thos. The "ae" isn't usually pronounced with a long A sound in English, so I pronounce it the same as I do in algae, encyclopaedia, archaeology, etc.
What’s up James? Thank you. I can’t speak to the Edmonda, but the Aethos is a blast. Just installed a ceramic speed wheel kit and it’s lightning fast- I’d put it up against my SL7.
My two cents as I own both! Both great bikes! The Tarmac is faster due to the better aerodynamics, you do notice this above certain speeds. Definitely a less comfortable ride, more vibrations and less complaint. Tarmac is also better is descending long fast straight sections of road where the tarmac is smooth, just cuts through the wind in high fast speed. Tarmac is better for your flat roads & smaller punchy climbs, shorter rides where you are just going all out 100% effort. Aethos is slower if we are talking straight line speed. The Aethos feels lighter, more nimble - more acceleration feeling at the feet and has a buttery smooth feeling to it which is odd for carbon. You definitely notice the better compliance - I can be on this in long 100km + rides and feel great afterwards. In terms of descending, if its a steep twisty technical descent the Aethos has the advantage here - just feels slightly better planted through turns when pushing both bikes to the limit. A bit more stable and confidence inspiring on the Aethos despite the lighter weight. So in my opinion the handling/cornering is better. If I had to pick one it would be the Aethos. Because where I need most advantages (up big hills and twisty technical descents) the Aethos is better. Fast straight line speed is easy on both bikes but faster with the Tarmac. Probably better suited if you're racing. For me it comes down to what I find most challenging in cycling? Holding a consistent straight line speed OR climbing and descending. It's definetly the latter so that's why id pick the Aethos. I find most of my aerodynamic gains are with my body position and helmet/wheels choice anyway. Just a small note, I'm 70kg and have both frames in 10R carbon. Lastly just an FYI - my third bike an Italian Steel Pegoretti Responsorium (about 7.2kg including pedals) this bike feels better than both these bikes by a MILE! Particularly on fast twisty descents you can bomb your way down with more smiles than any of the above!! Also the most comfortable out of all the 3 and the best 'feeling' when riding. Having said that, the Aethos is the most comfortable Carbon bike I've ridden though and closest to steel in this regard.
@@outdoorbros_ it'll probably handle like the aethos but more aero. Most aero gains are from the new cockpit I've heard. I don't really buy into the specialized marketing hyperbolic statements though.
Great review - sort of off topic, what are your thoughts on the Aethos vs. Roubaix? I have a Roubaix Expert, but for some reason I've been lusting after the Aethos for ages now - just love the overall look.
Hey Jeff, thank you. I haven’t ridden a Roubaix in ages, but I think it’s a strong contender. I like that they’ve tweaked the design to make it a little more aero. My guess is that you’d find it to be less aggressive/sporty than the Aethos but also more comfortable than the Aethos.
Good review and nice explanation 👍🏻 maybe if you don not mind can compare it with colnago v3rs? 😁 i have 3 bike in mind, sl7, aethos, and v3rs, and now with your explanation only 2 contender for my next dream bike 🤩
What’s up, Arvin? I wish I had some experience/feedback on the V3RS- it’s a beautiful bike. There aren’t a ton of Colnago riders here, so I rarely see one and it’s unlikely I’d be able to take one out for a day. That being said, it looks a lot like the bikes we’ve discussed and is on par with race/sport geometry. I do think it’s hard to top the Aethos and SL7…
@@outdoorbros_ i’m fine bro 😁 do my best to raise my ftp 🤣 very unfortunately not many colnago riders in there for you to take a look and ride. I have ask a person who have sl7, v3rs and aethos, he said that aethos can not be compare to sl7 and v3rs because there are race bike, also v3rs with campagnolo GS and wheel set feel more aggressive and responsive than sl7, that is why i’m so curious about it, maybe sl7 with new dura ace or ultegra 12 speed will feel more aggresive and responsive too hahaha but aethos is so desirable with the classic look 😍
I just picked up an aethos (comp model) last month and so far so great. Loving the performance (climbing and long rides) and feel of it. My daily bike for about a year or so is a tarmac SL7 Pro. Before that was 2019 Venge Pro (purple satin) but that’s off topic. Definitely the SL7 is faster but I do like the “endurance” feel of the Aethos. I put turbo cotton “hell of the north” 28’s. While the tarmac has the stock turbo cotton 26’s. Definitely reminded me of when I had an Roubiax. Both are great to own and I’m fortunate to own both. For me.. if you want speed and more speed I go with the Tarmac SL7 but if I just want to have a good ride 25-50 miles. I will go with the Aethos and agree even tho both of the bikes I own are 10R carbon. The Aethos definitely has better handling with the speed.
Excellent video and just what I was looking for. There is an Aethos frame for sale and it's been tempting me as a replacement for my '16 BMC SLR01 rim brake bike. I love my current bike, but it would be nice to get something new and fun and the Aethos may just be the ticket for the kind of riding I'm doing (i.e. I race myself, not events against others) I just want to ride, ride fast, spend some long days in the saddle, and have fun with my buddies.
What's up, George? Thank you! If that's your goal, I think the Aethos would suit you really well. Having ridden the SL7 and Aethos this week on fairly fast group rides, I'm reminded that the Aethos holds its own, every step of the way.
@@outdoorbros_ thanks for the reply. I pulled the trigger on a complete S-Works new-to-me Aethos... just waiting for it to arrive. I'm excited, and already plotting what I am going to change to make it into my "dream build." Again, your video went a long way toward helping me formulate my decision. Cheers.
Great Video it’s so hard to pick a road bike nowadays with all the different brands etc Like you I don’t like to be a sheep I like to be a unicorn 🦄 and ride what nobody else is. The atheos as you said Is pure, going back to basics, feel the ride and the moment. A do it all bike . What do you think of the atheos SRAM rival set up. It’s still up there at $7500. If you upgrade the wheels which I likely would that’s another $1500. I may as well go for the atheos $10,000 with much better spec. However I can’t bring myself to spend that much on a bike. The SL7 again at $7500 stock wheels your likely want to upgrade. Same situation as the Atheos dohhhhhhhh
Depends on your riding style, yes. Although I wish the Roubaix had larger tire clearance. I wouldn’t be surprised to see one of the bike models get absorbed into the others on the next generation- they’re becoming too similar.
Hi. Thanks for the video. I just bought the same Aethos and fitted the roval rapids instead of the alpanist. The bike handles well but always eager to know how the alpanist rims compare to those when it comes to handling. And why did you change the alpanist on ur bike? And why you did not use the rapids instead.? Please share ur experience and thoughts.
@@outdoorbros_ I agree that the 45s are fast and agile rims. I just wanted to know if the alpinist rims that came with the bike were agile and gave a nice ride feel. Honestly, am not very happy from the rapide rims performance
I'm still riding a 2012 CAAD 10 frame (but with campy 12 speed/WTO's), so I rarely see another bike like mine in the group. I'm really looking hard at the Aethos, but I don't want to leave my CAAD all alone in the garage, 😞😞.
i am curious what you think about the tcr advanced sl 2021/2022 models, aethos and tcr are both lightweight climbing bikes and is around the same weight. thanks
TCR looks incredible. I had one years ago and loved it. In fact, it was my first carbon bike and I felt like I was king of the world. I think the TCR is probably somewhere in between the Aethos and SL7- might be the best of both worlds.
@5:17 - you are like my wife: "is this better than that? oh yes! it is much more... beautiful!" - that is ok for wives but for a guy? reviewing the bike? I am not getting you ;-)
Nothing screams "needy, privileged white guy" than this statement: "Everyone around me rides an L7, so now I have something a little bit different just like I had the Venge back in the day and it stood out in a sea of Tarmacs". So glad you can still feel special riding a 5-figure bicycle with a bunch of other guys riding 5-figure bicycles.🤣
Give this guy more bikes to review. Best bike review I've ever watched. Complete and honest. Great analogies.
Thanks Pat!
Agree 👍
NO! Please stop! Because of him I have 3 road bikes now!!
literally helped me decide between and SL7 and an Aethos 2 years later! Went for an Aethos Thanks!
Awesome, enjoy!
Great review. I have the Aethos in snake eyes and love it. Fast enough for me with added comfort and super handling and not a moving billboard.
@outdoorbros just got my Aethos Expert in Carbon chameleon /Ultegra 12 speed Di2. Upgraded handle bars to s-works and wheels to Zipp 404 firecrest. It’s super fast and looks great. I can’t imagine the s-works FACT 12R frame would make a massive difference. Great review really helped me choose my bike over the sl7. Cheers😎
Nice, what a great bike! Enjoy.
This review is excellent as is other content - keep up the great work
The best analogy of value I’ve ever heard and spot on! Cycling for most of us is a hobby so we never evaluate value on “need” it’s always on what it makes you feel in your heart!
Thanks! Couldn't agree more.
Excellent review. I rode a Tarmac sl4 since 2013 and loved it. Then I thought about replacing it for my 50th birthday in 2021. Fall 2020: I was drooling over the new Tarmac and was planning to buy the Pro version. At this moment came out the Aethos and at first I also thought: no, not for me, this retro bike, non aero and so on… the owner of my local bike shop then told me that there wouldn’t be any Tarmac Pro U Di2 for sale in Canada in 2021, only the tarmac Pro SRAM 1X, which I didn’t want. But he convinced me to take a closer look at the Aethos. I read lots of reviews about it and finally ordered an Aethos Pro for spring 2021. And it’s hands down the best bike I ever rode. I now love the understated look of this bike. Speed and handling are amazing but at the same time it’s so smooth! No problem taking big pulls in group ride or at a sportive with lots of climbing I do each year (and btw I did my best time ever at that sportive). And as I love to go on bike trips in the Alps or Pyrenees, it’s going to be so easy to pack in the bike box.
Couldn't agree more- the Aethos is amazing for all of those reasons. Congrats on the PR! I think the Aethos is slightly misunderstood and it's potential not fully realized just yet.
Well I’m that guy that bought a 22 S-works Crux built it GRX Di2 and then had another 22 Crux sent to me on Warranty replacement for a 19 Crux. Well I sold the replacement and just ordered the S-works Aethos to build coming mid March. The nuts thing is I’m coming off a Allez Sprint all tricked out for crits. Over that style riding at 55 years old so that first ride on the Aethos aught to be 😳 lol. Love your channel!
Thank you! Can’t wait to hear what you think of the Aethos. I find that the more I ride it, the more I like it.
Thanks mate! Really appreciated your video and genuine unbiased/non sponsored review 👍🏽
Your analogies are top tier! The way you communicate the idea is honestly better than some if not all of these paid reviewers!
Whoa, thanks for the kind words! Glad it resonated.
Outstanding review. A comparison I was waiting for based on real rider experience. I was leaning towards the Aethos, and now, there is no doubt based on your rider expectations. Another gentleman on your earlier review confirmed 12R vs 10R. Now I just have to find an Aethos in stock. That is a challenge in itself.
Thank you! Finding them in stock is so tricky. They’re such amazing bikes. I just installed a ceramic speed wheel kit and I think it completes the bike- it’s so fast now.
@@louiego1162 thanks! I have the Aethos as well- awesome bike!
Can you fill me on the 12r vs 10r decision?
Such a fantastic review. You did a great job going in depth with each bike. I wish I could spring for one, but my 2016 Tarmac is still holding strong!
Thanks Brad! The 2016 Tarmac still crushes it, I’m sure!
As one of Chris’s friends suffering on an SL7, I can confirm that the Aethos has not slowed him down - much to my disappointment.
Haha! I’m still just holding on to your wheel… let’s be honest here.
Thanks so much for this review. I’ve bought and sold two Tarmac’s over the past three years because I never felt super comfortable in comparison to my Diverge. Now my Diverge has become mostly a road bike and my HT mtn bike does gravel and mtn duty. Last year I did 7600 miles and 550,000 feet of climbing here in SoCal. Having a mtn bike background, I’m must more comfortable on a real mtn bike in the dirt even though I love the Diverge. Going into 2022 I upped my riding goals and I think it’s time for a dedicated road bike again. I may go and grab an Aethos today and part ways with the Diverge. It’s tough to give up such a nice bike with really no complaints but I know the Aethos will outshine it on the road in every way. I may keep both but I’m not sure if my budget really should take that it.
What’s up Jordan? Have you ridden together? Your name looks familiar. The lines blur quite a bit between HT mountain bike and diverge. You could argue that one of those could be eliminated. While not totally knowing your riding style, I would think you could eliminate the Divege and use the hardtail for gravel with a less aggressive tire. The Aethos is 👑. You’ll love it.
@@outdoorbros_ I picked up the Aethos yesterday and put in a 50 miler. Really great handling bike. I didn’t feel a beat up as I often did in my Tarmac. Very flickable and nimble yet stiff enough I can still feel like all of my power is being used not wasted.
Yes I’ll most likely ditch the Diverge at some point. I tried search for an SWORKS crux frameset but they’re all gone. According to my shop the chances of more showing up this year are slim to none.
We may have ridden together at some point. Seems like we’re on the same roads and trails around this area.
@@JordanHMay why did you choose an aethos over a roubaix which is much closer to the diverge?
@@vongdong10 I don’t wish to own two very identical bikes. My Diverge is amazing and does it’s job well. For a true road bike I wanted something different. Something faster and lighter. I enjoyed all the features of my Tarmac aside from comfort. The Aethos is a more comfortable Tarmac IMO. I’ve been riding it more and I can confirm it is.
@@JordanHMay ah fair enough. I've got a roubaix and have thought about an aethos as a forever bike if it ever comes to that
Very well put together video comparing these two. I’ve been trying to decide between the two (at Pro/SRAM Force level spec) and then the Scott Addict RC line caught my attention. The Scott lines up more closely to the Tarmac vs Aethos but two things are compelling about the Scott: 1) Value - Scott seems to be priced more aggressively offering a Force build at just a coup,w hundred more than Spesh Comp (Rival) build and 2) Scotts design on an integrated cockpit seems really well thought out allowing easy bar/ stem swaps for the DIY wrench.
It seems some manufacturers are eating most of their margin on components to move volume. I noticed this on the prices of the Cervelo Asperos last year. The prices are 15-20% less than a comparison model from the big brands.
My second option was scott addict in fact. But reason I swayed away was actually integrated bar stem and internal routing. I build and maintain my bikes 100%, one more thing, travelling with a bike that has custom parts and integrated bar stem cabling etc is a bit of a hassle. The simplicity of aethos is what had me. Mind u, this is no different to my bikes from the past few decades, but none were disc and under 7kg.
I went with the addict rc. I've ridden tarmac and venges. The Scott feels less twitchy and more precise compared to the tarmac. The fit is more European as well flatter top tube.
thanks for the video. I bought an aethos for exclusivity, in my town there is only my bike. also because the reviewers commented that it was very comfortable and at the same time effective. Also value the classic style of it and it will not easily go out of style.
All great reasons to have it- congrats!
Thank you for your perspective. I'm looking at both bike and will be test riding them soon.
I love the way you compared these bikes to 911s 👍🏼
Thanks! It seems to resonate.
Really enjoying your videos and they way you articulate all the elements to the bike and tell it how it is ...especially on price and value. I agree on a bike that is different to so many out there ... the S-Works SL& is a dream bike but there seems to be so many on the roads now so a bike that looks different is a nice choice.
Thank you! I’ve seen one other Aethos in the wild- it’s nice to have something a little more rare.
Hi Chris. Just discovered this channel, great content!
What can I say I do totally agree w/ you. These days all the bikes looks the same: Aero, dropped seat stays, integrated cable routing.... I feel, over the last few years road bikes have lost personality.
For that very same reason the Aethos appeals to me. As you say understated classic looks that does not take away any perceivable performance, at least for us mere mortals (aka non-pros). Actually the older I get the more I miss the old looks of the traditional bikes. If I had the cash I'd probably go for a Moots Vamoots with a mechanical dura-ace with external cable routing (and well, disc brakes, I'll keep that :-) )
Best regards for Spain and thanks for your videos
What's up, Sergio? Thank you! A Moots Vamoots would be incredible. We see those around her occasionally and the drool factor is always high :)
Great review and presentation style, screen presence. I watched till the end even though I'm not in the market. Good job.
Thanks Charnho!
Great video! Love my Aethos. People are always looking and trying to figure out what bike it is.
It’s such a sleeper, right?
@@outdoorbros_ Agreed! Super capable bike.
This is exactly the video I was looking for. Thank you!
Glad it helped!
Coming from a tarmac SL2 and dropping S Works SL7 riders for fun, I feel like I would enjoy a beautifully built Aethos with a clean 1x12 setup and Reserve 52/63 on tan wall tires. Working full time, and with a young family, i want something that allows me to enjoy that limited free time on the road. A move to 28mm tyres from 26mm showed me how much comfort I was leaving on the table for no real benefit.
Nice!
Bloody spot on. As I am in that predicament myself & i Truly believe you have just made my mind up for me so thank you for that. 👍
They’re both solid. If you watch the more recent videos, I went back and forth a bit, ultimately landing on the SL7.
The best video I’ve seen on this. Thank you for doing it.
Thanks Wellington! Hoping it resonates with the normal folks out there.
Fantastic review. Articulate and well organized. Had my “brain” set on a Tarrmac but after visiting my local bike shop, and looking at the ethos, reading the reviews, and getting real about the nature of the writing, that I actually do, which is mostly solo, and I never race, the tarmac just does not make any sense.
9:30 in Lotoja! great job! I am on a ten year old S-Works Tarmac and love it BUT, old school brake heat warped my wheel going down LCC on the Five Canyons ride this weekend. Time to upgrade. So locked in on S-Works I didn't even consider the Pro...now I think with a good wheelset and groupset I will be GTG for the long climbs and Lotoja next year. Great review man!
I would say you like the Melee over both of these, as it strikes that balance you talk about
Great point!
Superb analysis and objective feedback that has really helped me weigh up the two options. Thanks.
Thanks Paul! Glad it helped.
so my guess is you are keeping the aethos and the crux! ...very good channel you are running here!
Thank you! Keeping the crux and Aethos. So excited to have them both.
Thank you for this review and your thought. I have the allez sprint and I love it, I love the speed and the feeling. Because it is related to the tarmac, I rather thought about buying the Aethos, because it ist more different. Hopefully it is the right decision.
Both bikes are excellent. Aethos is super refined and polished, tarmac is a little more race-oriented.
Excellent review, thanks for taking time you totally answered all my questions :)
Thank you! Glad it was helpful- they're both incredible bikes.
Superb review. From the heart and to the point. I'll be subscribing to this channel!
Thank you!
Thanks for your vid, definitely getting an Aethos but still love my CAAD12
Remind me, did Peter Denk also design the CAAD12?
Defo the Supersix, not sure about the CAAD12
Great comparison Chris! I also have an Aethos and SL7, Crux etc. haven’t had a chance to put more miles on the SL7 or Crux but I tend to lean towards the Aethos on solo rides on the pure fact of the best balanced and most enjoyable ride.
It’s just such a fun ride, isn’t it? I keep wanting to take out the SL7, but the Aethos wins every time.
Awesome review! Thanks for sharing your experience to help ease my decision! Cheers!
Thanks Ethan!
Great review! I stumbled across your video and glad I watched. I have been wondering about the Aethos and just haven't seen a review with a down-to-earth honest review. The Aethos is for me. I have had racing bikes, and loved the speed and handling...not the comfort. I'll take good handling and comfort any day.
ever thought about buying the roval alpinist cockpit for the aethos. I know it's got the drawback of onepiece, but it matches the overall aestetics of the aethos very well. and i am sure you know what length and width you would need by now anyways, so a one piece cockpit is no big deal. it is just so pretty - i feels like the roval alpinist cockpit perfectly matches the shape of the bike
It’s definitely a good look. I just wanted something more traditional and something with more modularity. Especially after having bikes like the Venge Vias where adjusting and changing one cockpit component is a task.
I'm never worried about looks,i want t ride,hard..I'm an adult,so I left the obsession about looks back in HS. Then again,I learned to get past being validated by what others think,say,and give their opinion about. That's why my fav was my Cannondale,that gave me the immediate response hitting those pedals. That being said,I do not want a pink or orange bike with polka dots,yet I do love a stiffer frame.
Good video I'm going to view a comp this week, see for myself I'm sick of modern aero bikes .
Nice, enjoy!
@@outdoorbros_ well I did buy a bike and it was £ 500 second hand caad12 lol it feels great, I'm taking it out tomorrow for a proper ride
Chris you are the man
YOU are the man.
I'd love either one. I have a 2017 Tarmac that I've upgraded with Ultegra Di2, it's great. But can't put tires as wide as you can now. But $$$ for these new ones.
The 2017 Tarmac should fit 28's, right? If so, you're set! And yes, the new bikes are outrageously pricey. I've found that if you can buy used or get a discount (becoming very difficult these days), you can ride the bikes for a year or so and not be out too much $$$.
@@outdoorbros_ I put 28s on and there was about 2.5 mm clearance to the back of the seat tube. It seemed too close for comfort and made me nervous. Do you think that's enough space? Not a problem in the front. On my wheels they actually puff out to 29 mm.
@@stuartdryer1352 that’s the SL6 or SL5?
@@outdoorbros_ sl5. Do you think that's enough room?
I watch this video over and over because I always debate on picking up an Aethos to sit next to my venge!
They’re both such good bikes. SL7 would be right in the middle. I hear the new SL8 is a mix of Venge + Aethos (very intriguing combo)
@@outdoorbros_ I feel like they’re blurring the lines way too much and the need to have dedicated bikes for each category
Sound like SL6 is best of both world to me.
Another review mentioned that as well. They said something to the extend of, “If you want handling and aero, get the SL6.” Not a bad idea.
Love my Aethos for the same reasons. Also, since it's mine, I pronounce it EE-thos.
The "ae" isn't usually pronounced with a long A sound in English, so I pronounce it the same as I do in algae, encyclopaedia, archaeology, etc.
I dig it!
Thanks for the video, this is really help me to make the choice a lot!
Liked this video… I am kind of going through this conundrum. I have the Tarmac and considering a Aethos to replace my Emonda
What’s up James? Thank you. I can’t speak to the Edmonda, but the Aethos is a blast. Just installed a ceramic speed wheel kit and it’s lightning fast- I’d put it up against my SL7.
My two cents as I own both! Both great bikes!
The Tarmac is faster due to the better aerodynamics, you do notice this above certain speeds. Definitely a less comfortable ride, more vibrations and less complaint. Tarmac is also better is descending long fast straight sections of road where the tarmac is smooth, just cuts through the wind in high fast speed. Tarmac is better for your flat roads & smaller punchy climbs, shorter rides where you are just going all out 100% effort.
Aethos is slower if we are talking straight line speed. The Aethos feels lighter, more nimble - more acceleration feeling at the feet and has a buttery smooth feeling to it which is odd for carbon. You definitely notice the better compliance - I can be on this in long 100km + rides and feel great afterwards. In terms of descending, if its a steep twisty technical descent the Aethos has the advantage here - just feels slightly better planted through turns when pushing both bikes to the limit. A bit more stable and confidence inspiring on the Aethos despite the lighter weight. So in my opinion the handling/cornering is better.
If I had to pick one it would be the Aethos. Because where I need most advantages (up big hills and twisty technical descents) the Aethos is better. Fast straight line speed is easy on both bikes but faster with the Tarmac. Probably better suited if you're racing. For me it comes down to what I find most challenging in cycling? Holding a consistent straight line speed OR climbing and descending. It's definetly the latter so that's why id pick the Aethos. I find most of my aerodynamic gains are with my body position and helmet/wheels choice anyway.
Just a small note, I'm 70kg and have both frames in 10R carbon. Lastly just an FYI - my third bike an Italian Steel Pegoretti Responsorium (about 7.2kg including pedals) this bike feels better than both these bikes by a MILE! Particularly on fast twisty descents you can bomb your way down with more smiles than any of the above!! Also the most comfortable out of all the 3 and the best 'feeling' when riding. Having said that, the Aethos is the most comfortable Carbon bike I've ridden though and closest to steel in this regard.
Good insight! Very thorough. Where does the SL8 land in this mix?
@@outdoorbros_ it'll probably handle like the aethos but more aero. Most aero gains are from the new cockpit I've heard. I don't really buy into the specialized marketing hyperbolic statements though.
Pegoretti was an Italian genius when it came to modern metal bike frames!
Great review - sort of off topic, what are your thoughts on the Aethos vs. Roubaix? I have a Roubaix Expert, but for some reason I've been lusting after the Aethos for ages now - just love the overall look.
Hey Jeff, thank you. I haven’t ridden a Roubaix in ages, but I think it’s a strong contender. I like that they’ve tweaked the design to make it a little more aero. My guess is that you’d find it to be less aggressive/sporty than the Aethos but also more comfortable than the Aethos.
How about a video comparing the relative merits of Brad Pitts vs. Bradley Cooper, or Jennifer Garner vs. Jennifer Lawrence?
Josh, this is the content we all need. It’s also a great discussion to be had between Hoback and Jackson. You free in September?
Great review and cool shirt! Where can I get one?😊
Haha, thanks! This shirt is from a few years ago... still comes out all the time :)
Good review and nice explanation 👍🏻 maybe if you don not mind can compare it with colnago v3rs? 😁 i have 3 bike in mind, sl7, aethos, and v3rs, and now with your explanation only 2 contender for my next dream bike 🤩
What’s up, Arvin? I wish I had some experience/feedback on the V3RS- it’s a beautiful bike. There aren’t a ton of Colnago riders here, so I rarely see one and it’s unlikely I’d be able to take one out for a day. That being said, it looks a lot like the bikes we’ve discussed and is on par with race/sport geometry. I do think it’s hard to top the Aethos and SL7…
@@outdoorbros_ i’m fine bro 😁 do my best to raise my ftp 🤣 very unfortunately not many colnago riders in there for you to take a look and ride. I have ask a person who have sl7, v3rs and aethos, he said that aethos can not be compare to sl7 and v3rs because there are race bike, also v3rs with campagnolo GS and wheel set feel more aggressive and responsive than sl7, that is why i’m so curious about it, maybe sl7 with new dura ace or ultegra 12 speed will feel more aggresive and responsive too hahaha but aethos is so desirable with the classic look 😍
I just picked up an aethos (comp model) last month and so far so great. Loving the performance (climbing and long rides) and feel of it. My daily bike for about a year or so is a tarmac SL7 Pro. Before that was 2019 Venge Pro (purple satin) but that’s off topic.
Definitely the SL7 is faster but I do like the “endurance” feel of the Aethos. I put turbo cotton “hell of the north” 28’s.
While the tarmac has the stock turbo cotton 26’s. Definitely reminded me of when I had an Roubiax. Both are great to own and I’m fortunate to own both. For me.. if you want speed and more speed I go with the Tarmac SL7 but if I just want to have a good ride 25-50 miles.
I will go with the Aethos and agree even tho both of the bikes I own are 10R carbon. The Aethos definitely has better handling with the speed.
Great data points here! Did the keep the SL7 and Aethos? I'm currently in a bit of a dilemma between the two for the reasons you've referenced...
Me sitting here with my F150 (10k# towing cap) and 535i (300hp)....guys, looks like you're getting a brother in the garage soon!
Excellent video and just what I was looking for. There is an Aethos frame for sale and it's been tempting me as a replacement for my '16 BMC SLR01 rim brake bike. I love my current bike, but it would be nice to get something new and fun and the Aethos may just be the ticket for the kind of riding I'm doing (i.e. I race myself, not events against others) I just want to ride, ride fast, spend some long days in the saddle, and have fun with my buddies.
What's up, George? Thank you! If that's your goal, I think the Aethos would suit you really well. Having ridden the SL7 and Aethos this week on fairly fast group rides, I'm reminded that the Aethos holds its own, every step of the way.
@@outdoorbros_ thanks for the reply. I pulled the trigger on a complete S-Works new-to-me Aethos... just waiting for it to arrive. I'm excited, and already plotting what I am going to change to make it into my "dream build." Again, your video went a long way toward helping me formulate my decision. Cheers.
Subscribed!! Any chance u can get your hands on allied echo?! Hope u can compare it to your aethos and crux. Cheers
I wish! I really like that bike, especially the one Andy Chasteen is riding…
E N V E Melee vs Aethos!!!!! Please
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How does the geometry between aethos, crux and sl7 compare? What frame sizes do you use and what height are you? thx and keep up the great videos :)
Very similar geometry in terms of fit. I’m riding a 56 is all bikes mentioned and they’re great. Thank you!
Interesting argument regarding value. We are a one car family, a used old Toyota. Guess this scene is not for me.
Old Toyotas here as well. Great trucks.
Great Video it’s so hard to pick a road bike nowadays with all the different brands etc
Like you I don’t like to be a sheep I like to be a unicorn 🦄 and ride what nobody else is. The atheos as you said Is pure, going back to basics, feel the ride and the moment. A do it all bike .
What do you think of the atheos SRAM rival set up. It’s still up there at $7500. If you upgrade the wheels which I likely would that’s another $1500. I may as well go for the atheos $10,000 with much better spec. However I can’t bring myself to spend that much on a bike. The SL7 again at $7500 stock wheels your likely want to upgrade. Same situation as the Atheos dohhhhhhhh
Won’t you say the roubaix is the best amalgamation of the two with both speed and comfort again for 99% of us who don’t race?
Depends on your riding style, yes. Although I wish the Roubaix had larger tire clearance. I wouldn’t be surprised to see one of the bike models get absorbed into the others on the next generation- they’re becoming too similar.
Great comparison....
Thank you! Hope it was helpful...
Hi. Thanks for the video. I just bought the same Aethos and fitted the roval rapids instead of the alpanist. The bike handles well but always eager to know how the alpanist rims compare to those when it comes to handling. And why did you change the alpanist on ur bike? And why you did not use the rapids instead.? Please share ur experience and thoughts.
Hey Moahamad- I wanted to run tubeless, so the alpinist and rapide are a non-starter. I really like the Enve 4.5 AR- they’re so fast.
@@outdoorbros_ I agree that the 45s are fast and agile rims. I just wanted to know if the alpinist rims that came with the bike were agile and gave a nice ride feel. Honestly, am not very happy from the rapide rims performance
@@mohamadjamil3164 unfortunately, I sold the Alpinist wheels before ever riding them. They were incredibly light, but not my style.
I'm still riding a 2012 CAAD 10 frame (but with campy 12 speed/WTO's), so I rarely see another bike like mine in the group. I'm really looking hard at the Aethos, but I don't want to leave my CAAD all alone in the garage, 😞😞.
No sense in abandoning the bike you love! Makes me sad to see the SL7 on the trainer.
Great great great review.
check out that WAP - 244 / 200+mi
Haha, it was a LONG day.
A Aethos shouldn't be priced the same as the Tarmac.
Should be at least 25% cheaper if not more.
I agree. Drop the price and it’d be a common bike for the common rider.
i am curious what you think about the tcr advanced sl 2021/2022 models, aethos and tcr are both lightweight climbing bikes and is around the same weight.
thanks
TCR looks incredible. I had one years ago and loved it. In fact, it was my first carbon bike and I felt like I was king of the world. I think the TCR is probably somewhere in between the Aethos and SL7- might be the best of both worlds.
Just curious have u tried the latest 2021/2022 tcr advanced?
*advanced sl
@@marcustan5868 negative- I wish. On paper, it looks awesome.
@@outdoorbros_ thanks bro ❤️
For anyone knows of a 56 Crux frame for sale in a store, please let me know. Thanks. Prefer the non Sworks frame.
I’ll keep a look out!
Bro what is your height and yr bike size?
What’s up, Arif? 6’0, 56cm
@@outdoorbros_ same height and same sworks sl7 size bro😁 Im planning to install 120 stem
only 1.5lbs?
Could have been a typo somewhere, probably meant to say 15
Came here in 2024. Cav is still winning races.
Spent too much on time early on looks. Disn't finish.
Which part?
@5:17 - you are like my wife: "is this better than that? oh yes! it is much more... beautiful!" - that is ok for wives but for a guy? reviewing the bike? I am not getting you ;-)
Hahaha.
Nothing screams "needy, privileged white guy" than this statement: "Everyone around me rides an L7, so now I have something a little bit different just like I had the Venge back in the day and it stood out in a sea of Tarmacs". So glad you can still feel special riding a 5-figure bicycle with a bunch of other guys riding 5-figure bicycles.🤣
Wow. We should go for a spin- hopefully you’d realize I’m not a “needy, privileged white guy.” Either way, thanks for watching.
$ 12000 vs $ 12900 😵💫
So pricey.
Those are waste from merida factory
So I’ve heard.
I hope you finally found the bike you can simply enjoy riding instead of having the “newest wiz-bang” thing. Life is short. Just enjoy riding.
Isn’t the tinkering and whatnot part of the fun of the sport? I’ve enjoyed it.
@@outdoorbros_ For what end is this means?