Yes, I don’t understand why so many say they don’t trust the media but then there is a topic the listener doesn’t understand. So they believe the media. And the media doesn’t understand it either.
@@jackblumenthal1238 Water is an issue in AZ. How it’s managed is what is important. And politicians make it a bigger problem than it is. They use fear to attack the other side. That being said. I’ve been to other countries and even continents. There are a lot big problems to focus on. I get what he is saying.
Gotta tell ya, very happy I came across your channel. I’ve been in this valley since ‘82. See you guys all the time. Starting to get interested in all these ag. Been around it forever but now I’m very interested in farmer’s perspective and issues.
Goes along with why I left Agriculture. Americans will pay what ever Apple dictates for a latest and greatest phone but raise the price on a red delicious or a head of lettuce and they will go berserk. Or my favorite...."Factory Farms" but don't mind shopping at Walmart. Thanx Trevor. Keep making Hay! (One of my favorite things to do in my younger years)
Great rant! New subscriber. I farm in the midwest so very interesting to hear of your issues. So many mistruths out there! Looking forward to watching your videos.
Yes I have heard about the Saudi water thefts and appreciate your input because if what "they" said was true then it would affect you. Water gives you your way of life and if it affected you negatively you would say so. Thanks Trevor.
There was something on NPR recently, I was not able to listen live, but also have not gone to the pod cast/ I was going to send the link to you, but I have a feeling what you are talking about is what the podcast was all about. One of my favorite videos was when you talked about how you irrigate your land and how it works in keeping water "local" returning to the aquifer from where it came. Not only are we Americans wanting things cheap and plentiful, but we also like our news very superficial and do not bother to take the time to dig deeper.
Thanks for the post bud. I found it weird that exporting alfalfa is bad but exporting corn is good. Thank you for shedding light on the real reason is they want the water is the chips.
I love the “ We have no business farming in the desert” argument…. Wheat barley cotton and alfalfa all originated in the Middle East like 10000 years ago.
WE have very similar , misinformed media discussions regarding water ,and agriculture in australia , I feel for you also same as us ,........... DONT worry , the media wont ruin a good headline grabbing story with the truth !!!! .....makes me sick grrrrrrrrrrrrr ...love your videos Trevor !!!
I would agree with that if it were the other way around. I honestly would love to own beech front property in Mexico. And to your argument. It’s ok for US companies to get things made cheaper where there are no labor laws, rather than use US labor? It’s extremely complicated with lots of gray area.
Well said thank u for telling the real story. When people find out I farm, that’s one of the first thing they ask me about is the Sadie farm stealing our water. Thank u for setting them straight
Trevor, when you want to talk about oil I can help you with that. I own 700 acres in Oklahoma and have 320 on one side of the road and 380 on the other, so my farm is in two separate sections. I have two wells on my property, the wells are totally on my property however the oil and gas that is pumped out of them is divided amongst everyone who owns property in that section in other words our portion of the oil or gas check is divided among everybody else who owns property in those two sections. Your portion of the check will depend on how much property you own. And when they first drilled wells back 20 years ago my portion of the check was about $3500 per well each month they pumped it down now so that my check is worth about the same as a good nurse cow. The other is one advantage I have which some people who have gas wells on the property do but many do not I get the tap in their natural gas line for free sort of. Now I have to put the dryer in the filters and right now it's not necessary but it may become necessary that I have to put the pumps onto that gas line but that's what heats my barn my shop my house everything on the farm.
Only about 14% of the hay is water. (Assuming 86% dry matter). You are right. The water they used to grow it is not gone. It goes back into the atmosphere and comes back as rain.
@baleshayfarmandranch Trevor I completely agree with everything you said. The only part I don’t like is a non US citizens owning it. The water is not the governments it’s the landowner’s. They have been trying to figure out how to tax water forever and I fear they are dangerously close.
So, this is a touchy subject to me. I personally would love to oven property in other countries. I would love to farm in Africa. So should I not be allowed to purchase property in other countries? Is it ok for US companies to abandon the US work force to use cheap labor in China, but then bring the product being made back to the US to sell it and profit off us? Is it ok for US companies to buy beef and produce cheaper from countries that don’t have the same standards? I get what you are saying, unfortunately it’s not that cut and dry. We either take advantage of other countries and they take advantage of us, or we don’t and they don’t. I don’t know. It’s a world market, and world economy. As long as they are following our laws and adding to our GDP. They can’t physically take the property. They couldn’t build military basses on it, like we do in other countries…. It is something to think very deeply on.
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch You are correct. It is a very touchy subject and you do make some good points. I would love to have the US take care of itself. We were the best country years ago when we did not get everything imported and the quality was much better. As far as cattle go, I don’t think we should be importing beef. The country of origin labeling rules should be different. If it wasn’t born, raised, and slaughtered here it should not be labeled as product of USA.
I know I’m a small fish in a big pond, but think about this. I can barely get walnut or white oak. It’s all being sent to China. Even the small mill in my area , sent 1.4 million board ft to china, recently. Good video
Just an FYI about semiconductor manufacturing and water... Water isn't used for evaporative cooling. It's used for cleaning the silicon wafers after each process stage. Unfortunately, this can consume over 4 million gallons a day. The water is filtered until it is ultra pure and in that process some water gets wasted. More water is wasted (and perhaps evaporated depending on the process they use) by cleaning up the toxic post-process waste water. Modern plants these days are only able to recycle 40% ~ 50% of the water they use. Locating such a plant near an ocean (as you suggested) is much more expensive. Any minute trace of salt air must be scrubbed from the environment where semiconductors are processed. Even a tiny number of sodium ions can destroy a semiconductor. The equipment and energy costs to keep the environment sterile is enormous. That said, I'd rather the land and water be used for farming. We need farms and farmers. God bless them.
I sat in a board meeting and some special someone and city officials told us. “Evaporative water”. Sounds like the just picked the easiest explanation. I figured there had to be more to it. The desert is nice though. Zero natural disasters. And yes, the water is a lot cheaper to clean. Either side of the isle will have its arguments and they will both sound good.
Market wise in the northwest we are seeing the same issues. The milk price dropped so dairies aren’t buying. Exports are also way down. So much hay is sitting around including mine.
Small bales are hard to come by in this part of Texas. Only large. A farm store here is getting this from the San Luis Valley 500 mile NW. Feedlots and dairy buyers have no need for labor intensive small.
They took the property which was related family property that had been in the family for generations the old family farm property etc several properties 3 just from my relations in eminent domain for the micro chip plant... so if they want that water for the microchip plant or property for it they r going to take it... some neighbors held out for the last second and got paid out pretty good I've heard tho...
Do you just do hay? Would trying some small grains, corn and or cotton on some land be worth a try? To mix things up. Always like seeing the cotton and corn in that area you do. Very neat area you farm in so much different than illinois for sure
Hey. Yes, we grew some grain last year. We used to grow a lot of cotton. But ultimately we grow what the market calls for. If cotton goes back up, we’ll grow cotton.
Preach. Well said brother. Why farm in a desert? Why does your valley have more water than Las Vegas? Because when my great grandparents started farming Clark County (Las Vegas) had a population of 1,500 that’s why.
Best take-a -way from this video. If a manufacturing business gets the land because we run foreign businesses out of farming, the water they would use to cool their manufacturing process goes up in smoke/steam so to speak and the currents take it far, far away. If any farmer, pumping water from their own property, uses water for irregation, the water goes back into the Earth on the same sopt it came from. The water stays HOME---YEA!
Well I'm a rancher and grow hay in the east. Water is not our problem but disappearing farmland is. In my state it's about a 100000 acre loss per year. I think at some point this will be an enormous issue. I do think whatever powers that be want the land and the water and want us all off of it. They say this out loud in other countries so it will be tried here too. Like every issue politicians need an emotionally charged thing to gin up the public the water is it. They want the land the water is a way to get it.
Thanks Trevor! I understand the argument that people make about foreign entities owning property in the US, but it is difficult to make the property rights and freedom arguments to other countries, if we don't allow that ownership here. Private property is the number one contributing factor in the growth and development of the US. Whether its land, water, buildings or resources. I do see both sides but have a real issue with preaching one thing and doing another. The Saudi backed farms seem to be generating alot of revenue for that part of Arizona as well as the state as a whole. It reminds me of something someone told me about throwing stones. When you do somebody may throw some back.
I agree with you 100%. It’s not like they can pack up the ground and take it with them. Plus they have more money than any farmer around here. They are using the best farming practices money can buy. They will leave things better than the way they found them. Also, it’s ok to take their oil from them. It’s ok to take their money for investments, and we love their influence in the stock market. But holy cow. 1 small farm and they are draining the state…
It's funny, the original spark for this Saudi water theft meme centered on alfalfa. How does exporting grain produced on the plains of CO, NB, KS, TX, etc under irrigation differ? I produce cotton and wheat under irrigation on the TX Panhandle. Until a potus threatened export tariffs to control the SW border invasion MX was my main customer for wheat. We had a handy little rail line from TX straight into MX that made our trade simple and sweet. MX has a nearby corn processing plant and contracts with some of my neighbors for irrigated food corn production. They refine the corn here and ship to MX. Egypt was biggest US wide wheat importer. A different potus didn't like Egyptian's choice for prime minister so he threatened to withhold wheat exports from Egypt. Our sales plummeted thus our wheat prices took a big hit that took forever to recover. We need to sell our farm products within 3 to 6 months of harvest. Holding longer costs us storage fees, which gobble up profit. These blundering politicians playing Monopoly on a grand scale think nothing of our losses at their hands. We had some friends who moved to AZ and got into the alfalfa harvest biz. Nienast was their name. How do you think these cubicle dweller consumers who think nothing of passing laws that would restrict farm income would feel if we clamored for laws prohibiting $$ in their 401-K from being invested with corps doing biz outside the USA? =)
I agree with you 100%. They tell us it’s a global economy, we plant a crop that lasts 3 years expecting sales. They change policy and sales drop. Then people complain about subsidies. Well when the government causes the price fall then yeah, the government needs to help.
First of all, never apologize for being short. Math is just a social construct! IYKYK And B: This is a good reminder to people like myself, who would probably be inclined to believe the story that we're being taken advantage of by foreigners, that there's more to the story and the people telling us to get mad, may have an agenda of their own. Now you'll have to excuse while I go look for my tinfoil hat.
Very well said . and like you said it's there water . I my self am more worried about all the hay going to feed the livestock feeding the Chinese army after all there the ones with war ships off Coast of Alaska
That doesn’t bother me. They are so far behind us military wise. They have lots of boats. But not deep water ships to transport that army. I just listened to a military expert podcast. Lol I hope he knows what he’s talking about!!
It takes millions of gallons of water for the micro chip plants they r building one up here in NY and they r going to have to build a new pipeline for the water it's going to use from lake Ontario to it...
Who video we all got a rap from brave sometimes and maybe we should stop taking food into the cities so they can see where their food comes from this world is definitely disconnected. Specially, United States people don’t know the real truth. God bless you keep up the hard work keeps of your heart keep the wonderful videos coming.
From small towns to large cities,they all like to throw the weight around nothing new, its for the good of many people's they say....Being a individual landowner they will do whatever they need to do to get their way,whether its eminent domain or through the courts they always win...
American Farm Land needs to be protected from foreign interests. Big business gave away manufacturing and intellectual property .. Losing control of our farm land is unacceptable.
Yes and no. Losing control of manufacturing and intellectual property is the bigger problem. Foreign entities operating on US ground “has” to follow our rules, and they can’t just take the soil away. They can’t just ship the product out of the US. We have a lot more control over a foreign entity owning US soil, and less control when things are being produced in other countries and once our intellectual property is sold or stolen, it’s gone gone
I know quite a few smaller farmers that have sold off their stock and getting out of the cattle business. I know that isn't helping the hay business either.
Water is expensive I live in Ontario Canada right in the middle of the great lakes and my home water bill is 300 dollars a month that's Two adults and child.
If all that hay was kept in AZ and fed another 100000 head of cattle they would be complaining about gas from cow farts and pollution from there waste !
Giving up US lands to foreign entities is not a good trend. No different than giving up US manufacturing to foreign countries. I don’t care what country it is. Land is a limited resource and we need to protect it.
I agree to a point. The good thing is, they can’t take it away. Our military could go kick them off. Their are no foreign military basses in the US. That I know of. Is it all bad if they are doing good things? Look, we just let 2 million immigrants into the US. They aren’t a net positive. They will take advantage of the government programs. These guys are spending millions upon millions upon millions of dollars into the US economy and AZ economy. They hire all locals. They buy equipment from local dealerships. And when they leave, they will leave a beautiful farm behind. Unless the politicians take the water. And send it somewhere where there are foreign investors. Like a microchip plant. Then we’re back to foreign ownership of America property….
People throw fits because alfalfa is being shipped out of the country and almonds are being shipped out of the country but how many fresh fruits and vegetables are being shipped into the US? They don't throw fits about imports, only exports. Sorry, but they can't have it both ways.
I sort of agree with that. But devils advocate. Could we then use cheap labor in other countries? Phones? Clothing? TVs? House hold goods…. A lot of things are still made in sweat shops. So if other countries can’t take advantage of us, that would mean, we couldn’t take advantage of them. Right?
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch I’m not sure how that relates to foreigners owning real estate in the US, but putting restrictions on how other countries process their goods isn’t the job of the US. I try to buy goods made in the US, but with current regulations that’s getting nearly impossible. The US is declining because our rate of producing goods locally is declining.
my problem with the Saudi farms, is the water license given them lets them pump unlimited water. Nowhere else allowed to do that. Also you need to catch up, you are way to far behind time wise. Where is all the complaining about the excessive heat.
If you own the land you control the resources under your property. Just like Trevor stated nobody controls how much water we pump out of the ground on our farms. If we would want to throw a pump in the creek and pump water that would not be allowed. I really think Trevor hit the nail right on the head when he said that Phoenix and the surrounding metroplex want the water and will spread disinformation to get it.
Don't apologize for anything. Love a good rant. Especially when it is backed by facts from someone who lives it!
Good on you, for speaking out. 👍🏽
Too many uninformed people.
When some Media goes to Screaming you better believe there is a cover up of what is really happening . Thanks Trevor .
Yes, I don’t understand why so many say they don’t trust the media but then there is a topic the listener doesn’t understand. So they believe the media. And the media doesn’t understand it either.
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch Just don’t trust the media. No buts!!!
Thank you Trevor. Thank you for explaining that situation. Figured it was just Phoenix grabbing all the water and not letting anyone else have it.
Agreed being in the military and having deployed several times stationed many places. Water is the least of our problems.
Right!!
Your not in az
@@jackblumenthal1238 Water is an issue in AZ. How it’s managed is what is important. And politicians make it a bigger problem than it is. They use fear to attack the other side. That being said. I’ve been to other countries and even continents. There are a lot big problems to focus on. I get what he is saying.
As always thank you for clarification. Stay safe. Hope you have a wonderful concert
Gotta tell ya, very happy I came across your channel. I’ve been in this valley since ‘82. See you guys all the time. Starting to get interested in all these ag. Been around it forever but now I’m very interested in farmer’s perspective and issues.
Thank you! Come on out to the farm!
This is great Trevor! Don’t be sorry for the rant when your passionate about it!!
Enjoyed all the information.
When it comes to water, if somebody is complaining about who's using it, its because somebody else wants it.
Now that's a perspective I hadn't heard before and it makes way more sense.
Your absolutely correct, thanks for putting that out there on the water 💧 issue.
Goes along with why I left Agriculture. Americans will pay what ever Apple dictates for a latest and greatest phone but raise the price on a red delicious or a head of lettuce and they will go berserk. Or my favorite...."Factory Farms" but don't mind shopping at Walmart. Thanx Trevor. Keep making Hay! (One of my favorite things to do in my younger years)
That’s so frustrating!!
When factory farms come up I always bring up Amazon. They all Love Bezos front door service
@@rt3box6tx74 and the bigger things get, the more costs can me spread and the price goes down. 🤷🏻♂️
Great rant! New subscriber. I farm in the midwest so very interesting to hear of your issues. So many mistruths out there! Looking forward to watching your videos.
I’m not sure when we got too trusting.
Yes I have heard about the Saudi water thefts and appreciate your input because if what "they" said was true then it would affect you. Water gives you your way of life and if it affected you negatively you would say so. Thanks Trevor.
Thank you for the clarification on the foreign countries and the water.
There was something on NPR recently, I was not able to listen live, but also have not gone to the pod cast/ I was going to send the link to you, but I have a feeling what you are talking about is what the podcast was all about. One of my favorite videos was when you talked about how you irrigate your land and how it works in keeping water "local" returning to the aquifer from where it came. Not only are we Americans wanting things cheap and plentiful, but we also like our news very superficial and do not bother to take the time to dig deeper.
Thanks for the post bud. I found it weird that exporting alfalfa is bad but exporting corn is good. Thank you for shedding light on the real reason is they want the water is the chips.
Nice rant about water. I don't remember seeing the dump rake in any videos. I enjoy the channel.!
It was a few videos I think.
I love the “ We have no business farming in the desert” argument…. Wheat barley cotton and alfalfa all originated in the Middle East like 10000 years ago.
I think you are right about that. The problem is more people more water have a good day
Right on brother! 💪
I feel the same about all the UK start ups, that get bought out by the US corporations . What goes around, comes around. Rob from Cambridge, UK
Couldn’t have said it any better Trevor!
WE have very similar , misinformed media discussions regarding water ,and agriculture in australia , I feel for you also same as us ,........... DONT worry , the media wont ruin a good headline grabbing story with the truth !!!! .....makes me sick grrrrrrrrrrrrr ...love your videos Trevor !!!
Truthful RANT !! keep up your great videos.
Well said Trevor! Thanks for posting. 🇬🇧👍👍
Thank you for the clarrification on the water topic. Knew you would know the real story vs the media hype. Love your channel!
Trevor,
Best rant you've had!
Sad to see the ones that built this great country being cast aside for those that have not....arrrgh!
Very well said. Such an information video.
I don't watch many of your videos but I'm glad I watched that one.
Watch more of them!!
Well spoken, my friend 👍🏼
Excellent program, it helps to get a full, balanced explanation of what is happening
Thanks for your input, very interesting
When you have a point you are very good at getting it out there. It’s when you see the squirrel that you get lost. 😅
Theres always a Paul Harvey to every thing on the news thanks for the info.
Lots of good points,enjoyed it
Glad you did this video. I wanted to hear your opinion on the matter. Thanks for sharing
Excellent points to be made.
Don't ever ever apologise for speaking out - the 1st amendment was created so you could speak - I enjoyed listening to your thoughts
Thank you
If you are not AUS citizen, you should not be able to own land in the United States.
I would agree with that if it were the other way around. I honestly would love to own beech front property in Mexico. And to your argument. It’s ok for US companies to get things made cheaper where there are no labor laws, rather than use US labor?
It’s extremely complicated with lots of gray area.
Great explanation of the water and Alfalfa issues.
The world is the world we all need each other. What they have we need and what we have they need. It balances out
Well I've heard all i need to hear.
Good show
damn right!!! Trevor💯
Well said thank u for telling the real story. When people find out I farm, that’s one of the first thing they ask me about is the Sadie farm stealing our water. Thank u for setting them straight
Trevor, when you want to talk about oil I can help you with that. I own 700 acres in Oklahoma and have 320 on one side of the road and 380 on the other, so my farm is in two separate sections. I have two wells on my property, the wells are totally on my property however the oil and gas that is pumped out of them is divided amongst everyone who owns property in that section in other words our portion of the oil or gas check is divided among everybody else who owns property in those two sections. Your portion of the check will depend on how much property you own. And when they first drilled wells back 20 years ago my portion of the check was about $3500 per well each month they pumped it down now so that my check is worth about the same as a good nurse cow. The other is one advantage I have which some people who have gas wells on the property do but many do not I get the tap in their natural gas line for free sort of. Now I have to put the dryer in the filters and right now it's not necessary but it may become necessary that I have to put the pumps onto that gas line but that's what heats my barn my shop my house everything on the farm.
I was up in Enid & Alva for close to a year.
Only about 14% of the hay is water. (Assuming 86% dry matter). You are right. The water they used to grow it is not gone. It goes back into the atmosphere and comes back as rain.
Well said!!!!!!!!
Because of all the rain they had a lot of dry land oats and 3way mix out there.
What makes you think you know farming in AZ more than some guy on tic tac!
@baleshayfarmandranch Trevor I completely agree with everything you said. The only part I don’t like is a non US citizens owning it. The water is not the governments it’s the landowner’s. They have been trying to figure out how to tax water forever and I fear they are dangerously close.
So, this is a touchy subject to me. I personally would love to oven property in other countries. I would love to farm in Africa.
So should I not be allowed to purchase property in other countries?
Is it ok for US companies to abandon the US work force to use cheap labor in China, but then bring the product being made back to the US to sell it and profit off us?
Is it ok for US companies to buy beef and produce cheaper from countries that don’t have the same standards?
I get what you are saying, unfortunately it’s not that cut and dry. We either take advantage of other countries and they take advantage of us, or we don’t and they don’t.
I don’t know. It’s a world market, and world economy. As long as they are following our laws and adding to our GDP. They can’t physically take the property. They couldn’t build military basses on it, like we do in other countries…. It is something to think very deeply on.
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch You are correct. It is a very touchy subject and you do make some good points. I would love to have the US take care of itself. We were the best country years ago when we did not get everything imported and the quality was much better. As far as cattle go, I don’t think we should be importing beef. The country of origin labeling rules should be different. If it wasn’t born, raised, and slaughtered here it should not be labeled as product of USA.
I know I’m a small fish in a big pond, but think about this. I can barely get walnut or white oak. It’s all being sent to China. Even the small mill in my area , sent 1.4 million board ft to china, recently.
Good video
I think it’s so odd here in the northeast pa. They never seen a 3 string bale compared to out west.
Just an FYI about semiconductor manufacturing and water...
Water isn't used for evaporative cooling. It's used for cleaning the silicon wafers after each process stage.
Unfortunately, this can consume over 4 million gallons a day. The water is filtered until it is ultra pure and in that process some water gets wasted. More water is wasted (and perhaps evaporated depending on the process they use) by cleaning up the toxic post-process waste water. Modern plants these days are only able to recycle 40% ~ 50% of the water they use.
Locating such a plant near an ocean (as you suggested) is much more expensive. Any minute trace of salt air must be scrubbed from the environment where semiconductors are processed. Even a tiny number of sodium ions can destroy a semiconductor. The equipment and energy costs to keep the environment sterile is enormous.
That said, I'd rather the land and water be used for farming. We need farms and farmers. God bless them.
I sat in a board meeting and some special someone and city officials told us. “Evaporative water”. Sounds like the just picked the easiest explanation. I figured there had to be more to it.
The desert is nice though. Zero natural disasters.
And yes, the water is a lot cheaper to clean. Either side of the isle will have its arguments and they will both sound good.
Market wise in the northwest we are seeing the same issues. The milk price dropped so dairies aren’t buying. Exports are also way down. So much hay is sitting around including mine.
Small bales are hard to come by in this part of Texas. Only large. A farm store here is getting this from the San Luis Valley 500 mile NW. Feedlots and dairy buyers have no need for labor intensive small.
They took the property which was related family property that had been in the family for generations the old family farm property etc several properties 3 just from my relations in eminent domain for the micro chip plant... so if they want that water for the microchip plant or property for it they r going to take it... some neighbors held out for the last second and got paid out pretty good I've heard tho...
Do you just do hay? Would trying some small grains, corn and or cotton on some land be worth a try? To mix things up. Always like seeing the cotton and corn in that area you do. Very neat area you farm in so much different than illinois for sure
Hey. Yes, we grew some grain last year. We used to grow a lot of cotton. But ultimately we grow what the market calls for. If cotton goes back up, we’ll grow cotton.
Apparently your recorded this awhile back if it's not warm enough for bermuda grass
Preach. Well said brother.
Why farm in a desert? Why does your valley have more water than Las Vegas?
Because when my great grandparents started farming Clark County (Las Vegas) had a population of 1,500 that’s why.
You're right.
Best take-a -way from this video. If a manufacturing business gets the land because we run foreign businesses out of farming, the water they would use to cool their manufacturing process goes up in smoke/steam so to speak and the currents take it far, far away. If any farmer, pumping water from their own property, uses water for irregation, the water goes back into the Earth on the same sopt it came from. The water stays HOME---YEA!
Well I'm a rancher and grow hay in the east. Water is not our problem but disappearing farmland is. In my state it's about a 100000 acre loss per year. I think at some point this will be an enormous issue. I do think whatever powers that be want the land and the water and want us all off of it. They say this out loud in other countries so it will be tried here too. Like every issue politicians need an emotionally charged thing to gin up the public the water is it. They want the land the water is a way to get it.
Thanks Trevor! I understand the argument that people make about foreign entities owning property in the US, but it is difficult to make the property rights and freedom arguments to other countries, if we don't allow that ownership here. Private property is the number one contributing factor in the growth and development of the US. Whether its land, water, buildings or resources. I do see both sides but have a real issue with preaching one thing and doing another.
The Saudi backed farms seem to be generating alot of revenue for that part of Arizona as well as the state as a whole.
It reminds me of something someone told me about throwing stones.
When you do somebody may throw some back.
I agree with you 100%. It’s not like they can pack up the ground and take it with them. Plus they have more money than any farmer around here. They are using the best farming practices money can buy. They will leave things better than the way they found them. Also, it’s ok to take their oil from them. It’s ok to take their money for investments, and we love their influence in the stock market. But holy cow. 1 small farm and they are draining the state…
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch whew! Glad I'm not alone!
Finally some good people with good sense TY sir for the awesome insight I don't feel so alone lol
It's funny, the original spark for this Saudi water theft meme centered on alfalfa.
How does exporting grain produced on the plains of CO, NB, KS, TX, etc under irrigation differ? I produce cotton and wheat under irrigation on the TX Panhandle. Until a potus threatened export tariffs to control the SW border invasion MX was my main customer for wheat. We had a handy little rail line from TX straight into MX that made our trade simple and sweet.
MX has a nearby corn processing plant and contracts with some of my neighbors for irrigated food corn production. They refine the corn here and ship to MX.
Egypt was biggest US wide wheat importer. A different potus didn't like Egyptian's choice for prime minister so he threatened to withhold wheat exports from Egypt. Our sales plummeted thus our wheat prices took a big hit that took forever to recover. We need to sell our farm products within 3 to 6 months of harvest. Holding longer costs us storage fees, which gobble up profit. These blundering politicians playing Monopoly on a grand scale think nothing of our losses at their hands.
We had some friends who moved to AZ and got into the alfalfa harvest biz. Nienast was their name.
How do you think these cubicle dweller consumers who think nothing of passing laws that would restrict farm income would feel if we clamored for laws prohibiting $$ in their 401-K from being invested with corps doing biz outside the USA? =)
I agree with you 100%. They tell us it’s a global economy, we plant a crop that lasts 3 years expecting sales. They change policy and sales drop. Then people complain about subsidies. Well when the government causes the price fall then yeah, the government needs to help.
First of all, never apologize for being short. Math is just a social construct! IYKYK And B: This is a good reminder to people like myself, who would probably be inclined to believe the story that we're being taken advantage of by foreigners, that there's more to the story and the people telling us to get mad, may have an agenda of their own. Now you'll have to excuse while I go look for my tinfoil hat.
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Very well said . and like you said it's there water . I my self am more worried about all the hay going to feed the livestock feeding the Chinese army after all there the ones with war ships off Coast of Alaska
That doesn’t bother me. They are so far behind us military wise. They have lots of boats. But not deep water ships to transport that army. I just listened to a military expert podcast. Lol I hope he knows what he’s talking about!!
It takes millions of gallons of water for the micro chip plants they r building one up here in NY and they r going to have to build a new pipeline for the water it's going to use from lake Ontario to it...
Same here in Phoenix!
Who video we all got a rap from brave sometimes and maybe we should stop taking food into the cities so they can see where their food comes from this world is definitely disconnected. Specially, United States people don’t know the real truth. God bless you keep up the hard work keeps of your heart keep the wonderful videos coming.
1 problem is here in Oklahoma we sold off cattle
I know a lot of land sold but they keep the mineral rights. So oil and other minerals they keep receiving money from the minerals.
From small towns to large cities,they all like to throw the weight around nothing new, its for the good of many people's they say....Being a individual landowner they will do whatever they need to do to get their way,whether its eminent domain or through the courts they always win...
American Farm Land needs to be protected from foreign interests. Big business gave away manufacturing and intellectual property .. Losing control of our farm land is unacceptable.
Yes and no. Losing control of manufacturing and intellectual property is the bigger problem. Foreign entities operating on US ground “has” to follow our rules, and they can’t just take the soil away. They can’t just ship the product out of the US. We have a lot more control over a foreign entity owning US soil, and less control when things are being produced in other countries and once our intellectual property is sold or stolen, it’s gone gone
At whet growth stage do you cut your Bermuda?
Ah, water. Everyone wants it for free and is willing to throw someone under the bus to achieve that goal.
It’s not that they want it for free. They want to sell it for more money to someone else and make more money!
I know quite a few smaller farmers that have sold off their stock and getting out of the cattle business. I know that isn't helping the hay business either.
Water is expensive I live in Ontario Canada right in the middle of the great lakes and my home water bill is 300 dollars a month that's Two adults and child.
Holy smokes!! Why so high?
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Nothing is free. We just work are ass of like 10 to 12 or even more hours a day to make some money to feed our family.
It’s easy to blame it on a farm or farmer.
How did they steal water in tea cups ?
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If all that hay was kept in AZ and fed another 100000 head of cattle they would be complaining about gas from cow farts and pollution from there waste !
$225 a ton? That seems like a lot of money?
That’s about $11.00 for 100 lbs of hay. Name me something you can get 100 lbs of for $11.00. To me, $225 is losing money.
Isn't that like 2, maybe 3 round bales? They sell those for $45 or $50 in the Northeast.@@BalesHayFarmandRanch
Giving up US lands to foreign entities is not a good trend. No different than giving up US manufacturing to foreign countries. I don’t care what country it is. Land is a limited resource and we need to protect it.
I agree to a point. The good thing is, they can’t take it away. Our military could go kick them off. Their are no foreign military basses in the US. That I know of. Is it all bad if they are doing good things? Look, we just let 2 million immigrants into the US. They aren’t a net positive. They will take advantage of the government programs. These guys are spending millions upon millions upon millions of dollars into the US economy and AZ economy. They hire all locals. They buy equipment from local dealerships. And when they leave, they will leave a beautiful farm behind. Unless the politicians take the water. And send it somewhere where there are foreign investors. Like a microchip plant. Then we’re back to foreign ownership of America property….
People throw fits because alfalfa is being shipped out of the country and almonds are being shipped out of the country but how many fresh fruits and vegetables are being shipped into the US? They don't throw fits about imports, only exports. Sorry, but they can't have it both ways.
And beef!! Lots of beef, phones, shoes, TVs, computers, clothing, cars, side by sides, tractors, toys…. It’s a world wide market.
No foreign owned company should be allowed to own real estate in the US.
I partial agree... but that means it would have to go both ways.
I sort of agree with that. But devils advocate. Could we then use cheap labor in other countries? Phones? Clothing? TVs? House hold goods…. A lot of things are still made in sweat shops. So if other countries can’t take advantage of us, that would mean, we couldn’t take advantage of them. Right?
@@crandonborth that’s up to the other countries. Our largest pork producer in the US is China owned. I have a problem with that.
@@BalesHayFarmandRanch I’m not sure how that relates to foreigners owning real estate in the US, but putting restrictions on how other countries process their goods isn’t the job of the US. I try to buy goods made in the US, but with current regulations that’s getting nearly impossible. The US is declining because our rate of producing goods locally is declining.
@@ajskab99 I don’t like that either. My point is more of a moral argument. And it depends how the argument is made.
You better get into politics, you make a lot of sense.
For that reason, they would never let me in.
Are you ready for Hilary??
my problem with the Saudi farms, is the water license given them lets them pump unlimited water. Nowhere else allowed to do that.
Also you need to catch up, you are way to far behind time wise. Where is all the complaining about the excessive heat.
It’s the same water “license” every single other state lease has outside of the AMA. They aren’t given any special privileges.
I literally cant film in the 115 plus temps. My cameras shut off.
If you own the land you control the resources under your property. Just like Trevor stated nobody controls how much water we pump out of the ground on our farms. If we would want to throw a pump in the creek and pump water that would not be allowed. I really think Trevor hit the nail right on the head when he said that Phoenix and the surrounding metroplex want the water and will spread disinformation to get it.
Bye Bye Trevor! Drive that big ford through the field fires! You are done.
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Good to hear people with ŕeaĺ ķnowledge speak Out
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Hey Bales Hay Farm and Ranch!, I see NO problem selling water, hay or Alfalfa!, if we have plenty of it!, or MORE THAN EXTRA!!!🫡🫡😎
We have lots and lots of alfalfa. So, let it go bad, we go broke? Or sell it on the world market, and pay our bills?
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