The Rig Veda - Indian Creation Myth
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- In this video we continue our study of creation myths by reading from the Rig Veda, perhaps the world's oldest recorded creation story. Right away striking features emerge, and as we compare it with Genesis, the dramatic differences between Eastern and Western religion and mythology come into focus.
The " one " refereed is not Male , it's genderless, source of the all reality , we call " Nirguna Brahman " in Vedas ( the supreme power, perfect and complete ) and Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are just attributes ( Saguna Brahman )
It's the Source. It's Complete. It doesn't need anything. Perfection.
@Mrinmoy Sarkar I'm not sure 'inactive' is the right term there. 'Potential' firs better the way I've always understood it.
According to Hindu theology ' The Brahman ' is the Supreme and Eternal Entity' , from whom the entire universe is said to have originated . The various Gods being worshipped by Hindus are ' different manifestations' of that Supreme Entity called ' the Brahman '
Biased
Exactly pure and perfect Brahmans is free from viruses of hormonal reactions and karma of gender...
The Rig Veda is much older than most think it is, before it was written, it was sung passed on orally.
That's why it survived Alexander the great's religious Extinction campaign. When there is no foundation, no house of God/s can be torn down.
Great video.
First of all, vedas are never written. There is an other name to vedas called shruthi. It means it is passed on orally to a specific st of generations of the rishis. In Hinduism we always believe in knowledge transmitted through the ears and nothing is recorded.
@The New Tsar Ofcourse not sir.Vedas are mentioned in Mahabharata which was around 5159 years old.Infact Vedas are mentioned in Ramayan,which is way way older than the Western theorists claim.
@@beingarya6697 you are right
Shruti and smriti (hearing and memorising and chanting with continuous practices). It's each and every syllables has to be very precise on chanting ..... Sanskrit language is not just writing and reading but listening too ( most of the language actually, but Sanskrit is very particular).
Alexander could only penetrate Gandhara and Kambuja, modern day Pakistan, Punjab and Gujarat, while Maghada, modern day UP and Bihar was the stronghold of the Indian dynasty, so Rig veda would not have perished easily.
The beautiful thing about this hymn is that it does not attempt to answer the questions, it just raises them. The hymn ends with a question, a sort of a cliffhanger. It drives home the fact that it is a mystery and that we will never know.
I agree. To my students, that is one of the most striking things about this hymn -- its agnosticism. It's such a stark contrast to the pedantic, strident tone of the creation accounts in Genesis.
The hymn is called "nasadya suktam. This hymn always makes me feel overwhelmed about my ancestors. Unfortunately today's Indians are becoming like organised religion. Asking questions was an important part of ancient Indian philosophy but today very limited people do so.
@@Kishan31468 there are still enough of us who are genuine seekers who question everything we can until we can find the answers or in the very least come to a higher understanding.
These are mantras in 129th sukta of 10th mandala call nasdiya.. all 6 vedic philosophical school born from these 7 mantras.. you can find its all one.you can say it's all two and you can say it's all two in one..
Like a coin with heads and tails
There is 1 heads 1tails so these 2 but 1 coin
Again what's coin? Can coin exist without heads and tails?
Can u separate both? Without messing a coin?
So in the primordial there is endless things to know...But no body can know..If one can know they will be primordial 😀
Yes , Sanatan Dharma is not religion nor way of life , it's just philosophy of the old times curated by sages of that times.
Bhagwan & their idols are just development to seek attention of people to the philosophy.
I am Hindu. But still I have to learn so many things which is written in our Vedas. Thankyou sir for these insights.
Thanks for watching and commenting. We ALL have so much more to learn. I know I do.
Are you a hindu? Can you tell what a Hindu is?
@@stalinsampras hindus are the people lived near and east and south of the indus river, name given by persian people they can’t pronounce “sa” but “ha”. But now it’s widely used are religious term earlier it was geographical term
@@shiro6904 LOL
@@stalinsampras Originally everything that originated from Hind (Indian subcontinent) was called Hindu but after foreign invations it's association with religion & culture got more highlighted.
Lead me from the fear of finite to the realization of infinity
Lead me from the fear of death to the realization of immortality.
Lead me to the understanding I am birthless ,deathless and one with the one
Vedas
Really great lines brother.
This is what is played as music in the battle between neo and smith in matrix revolutions.
The problem with that translation is that there is no "lead me" in the actual verse. The actual word is "Gamaya" , which means "go me" not "lead me". Hinduism says you are manifestation of God, therefore there is no one outside to lead you, you yourself have to go there
@@Vlog-hu8gbyes, important correction
Being Indian, the Vedas are my heritage, my inheritance .
It is only when I see the joy in Mr.Bolland's soul, when I see his eyes light up from within...as he 'ingests' the creation sukta, word by fascinating word, do I get introduced to the fact of how rich I am to be Indian ,and how 'beyond everything and nothing ' I am to be a part of the Brahman.
Thank you, Mr. Bolland.
Dear Vinayak, I am very moved by your beautiful and eloquent comment. Thanks for making my day! I feel "seen." And your gratitude for your own remarkable culture is infectious!
भाई मेरी इंग्लिश थोड़ी कमजोर है ये भाई साहब हमारे वेदों के बारे में क्या विचार रखते हैं ये मुझे जरूर बताएं 🙏🙏🙏😭
@@saniyagamer-xd2oq kuch kharaab nahi bola hai accha hi bola hai
@@saniyagamer-xd2oq pagla gaye ha ye parkar , soch rahe maine kyo nahi pehle ye sab Jan lia hota , inko samaj nahi a raha ki ma abhi tak kis mayajal Christianity me fasa tha jabki bharat me dusri hi duniya chal rahi .
@@vikramsinghrana7134 मतलब ये हमारे वेदों से प्रभावित हुए हैं या नहीं ?
The hymn what you are explaining is in nasadiya suktham - Rig veda 10 th mandala ( chapter) . Thanks for explaining that in poetic way!! 🙏
From Tamil Nadu - India 🇮🇳
Thank you Ganeshkumar -- I appreciate it.
Where can I find authentic vedas in sanskrit
Who actually wrote rigveda?
@@buggieboi1988 Ved Vyasa
@@buggieboi1988 VEdas are Apaureshya, not of human origin, it is revealed to the Risis and Devatas in deep meditation. It wasnt written down initially, Veda vyasa compiled the Vedas into 4 parts.
These ancient sages didn't know about atom, planets, physics is a gross understatement. Fact of the matter is these sages knew earth was a sphere, mentioned about subatomic particles, knew about the solar system and it's planets and more. Something really weird was indeed going on in the past. May be the Vedas are much much older than we think. May be the so called sages were indeed scientists belonging to a very advanced ancient civilization. May be the knowledge was gifted to them by beings from other planets or planetary systems ( there are 14 planetary systems or catagories according to rig Veda). We so called modern humans have lost all our past knowledge and memories.
those sages who came up with these were self realised souls who had themselves realised the Brahman ( Indeed, they weren't any ordinary people, but people with tremendous mental capacity ) , They could easily see beyond the material world ( Maya, or this universe is just an illusion ( the Advait philosophy )) . Remember, India was heavily involved in conducting experiments on spirituality and solving the puzzle of existence when no other country was. One who has solved the "mystery of being", for them , explaining about the material world is quite easy. They won't need fancy gadgets , rather they can see these things like a myrobalan in the palm. And there have been such people in recent past as well, like Shankarcharya , RamKrishna Paramhans, Vivekananda, Sai Baba, etc
Also, "sages" is a bit vague term and it couldn't be used to generalise the ancient Indian learned people. For more info- th-cam.com/video/DPBBhUeYwPw/w-d-xo.html
I think they might have been for precise about all the information but the info was lost to time and there are many scientists of ancient India we don't know
Its all in the srimad bhagvatum
Vaiseska school of thought of hinduism was started by Rishi kannada who discovered atom in 3 century bce
The He was added by English and western interpreters. In sanskrit it doesn't mention he or she. The one can also be what can be called singularity. All the Gods and the beings are said to be embodiment of the One. Brahman. The concept of Atoms called Anu is as old as the vedas.🙏🏻
Purusha - male principle - is always the Divine animating force.
We are Prakriti - female principle - indeed matter.
Fare thee well
Of all cultural knowledge of creation the rig vedas makes more sense to me. It feels like I'm in the right place to learn.
I'm with you. As creation or emergence accounts go, my gut tells me this one gets the closest to right. But I love the Popul Vuh best for sheer narrative power.
So beautifully explained. Thank you! The wisdom from thousands of years ago is still relevant in today's research and an invitation into inquiry :)
Thank you Sujatha.
Hello everyone! I'm just popping in today, six months after shooting this video, to say thank you! Thanks for making this the number one video on my channel. (It's also the one with the most comments, most likes, and most thumbs-down. Ha!) Thank you especially to all the folks from India who have watched and commented on this video. Judging by all the negative thumbs-down and critical comments, there is clearly a cultural divide at work here. I made these videos for my 45 world mythology students here at Southwestern College in Chula Vista, just south of San Diego, California. I never realized that it would be viewed by thousands of people all over the world. In that class, we study "myths," which to us means "truths" -- ancient, poetic, metaphorical, symbolic stories that try to convey the ineffable, that try to say the unsayable. We study the Rig Veda alongside the Popul Vuh of the Mayans, the Enuma Elish of the Sumerians, the Pyramid Texts of the Egyptians, the Prose Edda of Norse mythology, the book of Genesis of the Judaeo-Christian tradition, and many more. That so many took umbrage at hearing the Rig Veda referred to as a "myth" caught me by surprise. To me, calling something a "myth" is high praise. So thank you to all of my critics on this thread for reminding me of the rich diversity of perspective in the world.
Totally understand this!
You obviously lack the depth to understand those lines of Rig Veda questioning the Creation and Creator. A much higher level of philosophy is needed. But for you:
Just sit down, close your eyes and think "who created the Universe".
@@upadhyayrathiraj1518 Thanks for the love. 🙏🏼
@@PeterBolland Lot of Chinese pakistani bots pretending to be Hindu and defending hinduism vociferously.You have good hold over all religion should teach some good university.
The starting line refers to the event before big bang. So before big bang there was nothing.
There's so much in these scriptures, you might go insane when you realize how scientific and philosophical it is
Dear Peter Bolland -wonderful explanation about Rig Veda. What I liked most is that you are providing a highly intellectual explanation about our own tradition which makes me to feel proud about our own culture. You are really a un-official spokesperson of our ancient philosophy. Thank you.
Thank you so much for your kind and gracious feedback. I'm just a humble student of the world's wisdom traditions who loves them all and is blessed enough to have found work teaching these ideas to college students and anyone else who will listen. I present all of my videos not as final answers but as guided inquiries. I so appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment.
This is one of the finest videos on Rig Veda I have come across...Very well explained...
Thank you Robin! 🙏🏼
What translated book are you reading this from? Would love to read the Rig Veda in depth and in a way that makes sense
I'm reading from Philip Novak's wonderful anthology "The World's Wisdom." Here's the citation he gives for the passage I read in the video: Rig-Veda X: 129: 1-4, 6-7. A. L. Basham, "The Wonder That Was India" (London, 1954), 247-48, quoted in Eliade, ed., "Essential Sacred Writings," 109-10. It really is a wonderful book. I use it in my world religions classes. www.amazon.com/Worlds-Wisdom-Sacred-Texts-Religions/dp/0060663421
The Nāsadīya Sūkta, also known as the Hymn of Creation, is the 129th hymn of the 10th mandala of the Rig-Veda (10:129). It is concerned with cosmology and the origin of Universe.
@@HVS2328 thanks for the clarification
@@HVS2328 Glad to know ! Are you a scholar of Indian scriptures?
@@deepankarchakraborty236 Welcome bhai 🙏
Hearing you was the an emotional experience, where the profound mantras of the Rishis was so eloquently conveyed. I am not able to convey in words the effect your presentation had.
Thank you so much for your kind feedback. I make these videos because this stuff is beautiful and it matters to me. I want more people to experience the power of these ancient insights. Thank you so much for understanding that and seeing it.
"The One" refers to the primordial consciousness which nobody seems to know what it's about
and is genderless\bodyless
@@harikareddy4000 then why is Brahman referred as a he not it or she.
@@maxheimer9605 lost in translations. allah is supposedly genderless too but is referred to as a 'he'.
@@harikareddy4000 brahma word is genderless according to Upanishads,Brahman reference to vedas is not gender neutral it is refered as him in many hymns .Don't let secular people make him gender fluid its free Masonic agenda and swami vivekananda played a huge role in it.
@@maxheimer9605 The Vedas refer to Brahman in neuter also as That. Normally Brahman is referred to as He when explaining the Static Presence, Unmoving Consciousness. As it moves into creation, it is the Shakthi aspect, feminine aspect that gives birth to the creation as She-The Divine Mother.
It is very clearly mentioned in the Bhagavad-Gita in chapter 4 that Lord Krishna ( Vishnu ) is eternal.
He was present before creation and will continue to exist even after the whole universe dies out.
But depending on which Hindu tradition one follows some Hindu's may believe otherwise. Hindu tradition is extremely diverse.
Plus your interpretation is also of one kind, from sankya lens that's same translation will be of different kind.
What a captivating lecture! You take the listeners on a flight of imagination and inquiry, as though towards the source of thought. I felt like I was 18 (thought I'm decades removed from that) listening to a great lecture in college. How fortunate must your students be! I wish I had ones like you teaching each of the subjects that I studied.
What a pleasure it is to see this wonderful variety of videos on your channel. Subbed! 😊
Thank you!
Sir, To interpret the Vedas it is very important to be acquainted with all the 6 Vedangas (limbs of Vedas) which are Vyakaran (Grammer), Shiksha (phonetics), Chhandas (Prosody), Kalpa (laws and rituals), Nirukta (etymology) and Jyotisha ( astronomy). These are the auxillary texts which a student have to pursue for 8 years in Gurukul and only then he could be able to understand the revealed verses of Vedas.
Vedas are strictly monotheistic and tells us that Almighty God has an absolute authority over universe.
There are so many misconceptions about Vedas which were spread by Western scholars who didn't understand it and have presented a false translation of it. In Vedas there is no histories, references of any geographical area or name of person, it is a very scientific and rational approach of nature, how universe created, works and the guidance regarding human conducts. We Aryan belief that God's word can never be associated to any particular area, group of people or race like that in Bible, God's words must be free from transient affiliations and must be available since the beginning of the humanity.
There are 100 names of God like Agni, Marut, Prajapati, Rudra, Vishnu, Indra etc all these are qualitative names of God, while the most proper name of God is OM (ओ३म्).
If you wants to learn about Vedas then read the book Satyarth Prakash by Mahrishi Dayanand Saraswati the most renowned and brilliant vedic scholar of modern era who lived in 19th Century.
Today's modern science tells us that the string is the smallest matter by which the quarks are made then sub atomic particles and then the atom. But Aitreya Brahman (commentary of Rig Vedas) explains that the creation of string (Rashmi in sanskrit) is the fifth stage of creation before strings God had 4 matters prior to the string.
Acharya Agnivart Naishtik is a vedic scientist who has published his work in 4 volume name 'Ved Vigyan Alok', it is commentary of Aitreya Brahman and deals with the creation of matters and the Universe.
Boom ,thanks for the information
Hello can you tell me numerology is true or not ?? ...Vedic numerology,life path and all
Exactly 🙏🙏
The west want it easy, here and now without penance, sacrifice and chastity
Can understand it cz they've been doing things with just a mere book ie the Bible which is very authoritative and commanding and they've been acting accordingly suppressing a key human primal urge ie to question why, how and what but alas they have been taught to never question the rhetoric in the Bible ..
Yes bro, in the video he explained wrong. Without understanding the full meaning of that mantra of Nasasdiya Sukta
The rig vedas are not monotheisric but panentheistic. Monotheism means a God who is in 7th heaven and who creates the world. The Nasadya sukta rejects any such God, and even if there is, he may or may not know about Yhe One
Beautiful presentation of the creation myth from the Rig Veda. The Nasadiya Sukta also known as the Hymn of Creation is the 129 the hymn of the 10 the mandala of the Rig Veda. It is connected with cosmology and the origin of the universe. This verse is one of the most widely quoted portions of the Rig Veda.
Astronomer Carl Sagan quoted it in discussing India's "tradition of skeptical questioning and unselfconscious humility before the great cosmic mysteries.
Thank you so much for watching and for your supportive comments.
Very well done! Thank you. I love the joy and passion in your explanation!😊🙏💐
Thank you Gopinath. I AM enjoying myself! 🙏🏼
There is a mention of River Saraswati in the Rig Veda in several holy hymns; in there it has been described as a river which flows with a loud roar and which causes heavy floods in the area. Archeological studies indicate that River Saraswati started to dry up nearly 6500 years ago and had eventually dried up by around 2000 BCE.
This clearly indicates that Rig Veda had been written at least around 5000 to 6000 years ago. Also to be known that the holy hymns and songs of praise have been passed down from one generation to the next orally; before those songs and praises were actually compiled up and written down.
I personally am fond of such resourceful contents related to the earliest documented steps of mankind. It really helps to understand the philosophical and existential outlooks and ways of our ancient ancestors.
I shall request you to kindly make a video on The Core Similarities between the Sindhu/Indus Valley Civilization and the Egyptian Civilization;
Hi Shrisham, thanks for watching and thanks for commenting. The art of writing was invented about 3,000 BCE -- that's when we see the first existence of any written texts. There are no written texts older than that. The Vedas, of course, existed as oral tradition for many centuries or millennia before that -- that's the challenge. The dates I give in the video are the date of it being written down. And here's another wrinkle -- and this is true of ancient texts all over the world -- they were hand-duplicated generation after generation and they evolved through each transcription. New material is being added all the time. This is why it's so difficult and challenging to talk definitively about origins. I'm afraid it's all just lost to the mists of pre-history. The important part is what these texts say, not arguments about how old they are.
I absolutely understand your words Sir. Its more important to instill their philosophies and teachings in our hearts and souls in order to achieve a more refined form of human-consciousness.
All ancient civilizations and their respective texts and scriptures portray their own interpretations of this same cosmic space that existed around each one of them - and we, as their descendants, should focus on leading a holistic life - based on their teachings and descriptions; a life that involves a sense of greater good for all.
The dating of rigveda is not that lost in the mists of prehistory.The irony is that actual rigvedic content is the mostly ignored in discussions of the text itself by calling it mythical so as to justify it's wrong dating in the 19th century..This video dates rigveda to 700bc in the written form?Oriental dating of it's composition is 1500 bc.Unfortunately neither of these dates are correct.Unless of course it was just to give a plausible answer to the previous question.There is no written Rigveda that old and there is ample evidence,both descriptive and scientific, of it's 'composition' being at least 7-8 thousand years old.So either way both dates 1500 bc and 700 bc are wrong.And it is important for the descendants of the land that a scientific academic study (with dating) be done for these precious texts along with appreciating it's wisdom.Just like it's done for religious texts around the world.
@@RG-un2vl yamuna and ganga is the common name of every name of river which flows from the mountain. Vedas do not contain any history, and geographical position.
The he pronoun creeps in because of the translation, where as the actual sanskrit verse doesn't dignify such. The sanskrit pronoun more likely relates to infinite rather than a gender. But translation 🤷♂️
this! exactly this!! The pronoun changes everything!
Exactly
Sorry, but the word used in the text is "sa". Which does mean "he" in sanskrit. Translation is not wrong.
@@aaronleperspicace1704 there's a difference between translation and connotation. In readings of poetry, this is important. So translation is not wrong, but doesn't give thr complete picture by itself.
@@aaronleperspicace1704 see…..this is how primitive u westerns r
The 4 mahavakya mentioned in the 4 Vedas that captures the essence of all Vedas are;
Prajnanam Brahma ( The consciousness is Universe/everything)
Ayam Atma Brahma (This self is Brahman/everything)
Aham Brahmasmi ( I am brahman/divine/universal)
Tatvamasi( I am that/absolute, Or you are everything)
The unity of one with the entirety of cosmos is the essence of all Vedic traditions( be it Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism)
Please, please tell me some more of what's in the rig veda. I really enjoyed your teaching. I want to learn more about the Rig Veda.
Hi Moe, thanks for the kind feedback. I'm afraid I don't have any special insights into the Rig Veda, so there's not much I can offer you on that specific text. But take a look at some of the other playlists on my channel's home page -- you're sure to find more to your liking there.
Beautiful analysis of the Rig Veda. While I see that many have commented on the origin and translation/transliteration, it is pleasing to see someone appreciate all the bounties of the ancient cultures of the world. The Vedas being one, are the foundations of Sanatana Dharma in India. As we discuss more, we let the knowledge come from all directions, just as the ancients intended. Looking forward to more discourses and discussions. Kudos!
Thank you so much Prakhar for your generous words.
You most know Frank Morales and Dharma Nation since you used the term Santana Dharma.
Wise words.
I love watching your videos and especially watching your explanations.
Thanks for watching and for commenting Dibyalok. I appreciate it.
Excellent video!
For those interested, this is “Nasadiaya Sukta” Rig Veda Mandala 10:129… and the more I read it, the more I feel that it’s trying to describe Big Bang Theory… or maybe it’s my mind that is ascribing!
Some of the portions like “the one… enclosed in nothing… born or power of heat” absolutely nail the current scientific view of how universe began from stage of extremely hot primordial soup when there was nothing! And then “nor was there the torch of night and day”, for millions of years of cosmic expansion there was no light then first stars and galaxies formed then came everything else!
"soup" or "no soup" Big Bang theory does NOT even scratch the surface of profound Sankhya Vedic metaphysics around which the whole hindu/dharmic tradition was built including yoga and tantra. Big Bang scientists talk about "god particle. There is no god particle
@@indianmilitary you sound arrogant.
@@indianmilitary bruh what does Big Bang theory have to do with Philosophy? Big bang is Astronomy, Sankhya/Vedanta etc are philosophy.
Rig Veda mentions Saraswati River flowing in all its glory.
Now it is up to you western scientists to estimate the time when Saraswati finally dried up and vanished, and then calculate the age of this Veda.
I think 15,000 to 20,000 years BC would be a better estimate.
Max Mueller, who said that this Veda was 1,200 years BC, later retreated from his own words and accepted his arbitrary dating.
Great class man...❤️ From India.
In many eastern religions creator and creation are ultimately same.universe is a manifestation of God not creation . ultimately this"one" exists.
Thank you Sreerag.
The movement from the One to the many, from the Infinite to finites, is a movement of Bliss(Ananda), the One inhabits and enjoys the play, it is not by Will, but for the enjoyment the play is played.
Beautiful fascinating ! Appreciate!
Thanks for thoughts and analysis!
Thank you so much Hasan for watching and commenting!
As you explained Peter, this set of verses sets the tone of the Indian belief system. Essentially, we are a country of seekers with the belief that our existence is filled with limitless possibilities because 'we don't know'. This itself is a limitless possibility. Imagine if humanity said the universe would move per the laws of Newton and no one else is allowed, then poor Einstein would have to go back to becoming a patent clerk. The essence of being Indian is that we are always open to the idea that there may be something else that is 'possible'. This is also the reason that India is open to new religions and even new gods. For example , India welcomed the Zoroastrians when they were chased out of Persia due to Islamic persecution( hints at the origin of the word). India also welcomed Hitler's jews when no one else would. All this stems from the art of the possible.
Thank you Atish for your beautiful comment! 🙏🏼
@@PeterBolland th-cam.com/video/Nw2ONvI1j68/w-d-xo.html
It's sad that once you learn Sanskrit and realised the English translated books you read were translated pretty badly. And also the joy of reading the text in sanskrit.
Max Muller believed in the Biblical creation, and calculated the age of
the Vedas as follows . He assumed the creation to have taken place on
October 23, 4004 B.C., and then using the biblical chronology the deluge is
placed in the year 2448 B.C. He granted a thousand years for the floods to
subside, thus arriving at 1400 B.C. for the Aryan invasion of India. He
allowed 200 years as the time to get familiar with the new home, thus
calculating 1200 B.C. as the date for the composition of the Vedas. Of course he did not provide this reasoning for his dating of the Vedas to
general public, but worked backwards to give the same chronology he had
already calculated. He fixed 600 B.C. for the date of Buddha, allotted 200
years each for the Chhandas, Mantra and Brāhmaṇa periods. Thus
Brāhmaṇas were composed during 800-600 B.C., Mantra portion of the
Vedas was composed during 1000-800 B.C. and Chhandas portion of the
Vedas (e.g. Ṛgveda) was composed during 1200-1000 B.C. Obviously there
is no scientific reason as to why it should take only 200 years each and not
500 or 1000 years for the composition of the Chhandas, Mantras and
Brāhmaṇas. Later Max Muller disowned his chronology and said that no
power on earth can determine when the Vedas were written.
Vedic Physics book Raja Ram Mohan Roy
This is a really important perspective, and I'm so glad you shared it here. This is exactly how distorted the dating process is. And the whole process of dating the Vedas is corrupted by Imperialism and Christian hegemony. As a teacher of world religions and mythology I generally stay out of such controversies, leaving it to those with more expertise than me. I'm perfectly content not knowing the origin dates of anything. As Nietzsche warned us, when you go looking for the origins of anything, you end up simply projecting your own unconscious bias onto the process rendering any assertions dubious.
@@PeterBolland Sir can you suggest any book on vedas with english translation
@@L-Prime I have this one. I don't "love" it, but I like it better than some others I've seen. www.amazon.com/Vedas-Samhitas-Atharva-single-unabridged/dp/1541294718/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2D34BCTOPGK5Y&dchild=1&keywords=rig+veda&qid=1609259431&sprefix=rig+veda%2Caps%2C213&sr=8-3
@@L-Prime yes, you can refer to Dr. tulsi Ram's English Translation! You can download it from @Esamidha group on telegram...... There are many great books there too!!
The best thing I like is that you are teaching various texts…a real trigger for real inquiry. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thank you!
The vedas are much older than believed . In _Bhagvad Gita_ (a part of Mahabharata, where Krishna, a divine being imparts the truth of the world), the four vedas were mentioned. Since the _Bhagvad Gita_ was narrated in 3237 BC, the four vedas must have already existed before 3237 BC.
Stop spreading false info. It was compiled between 3rd century ce to 3rd century ad. Not older than that.
@@ruderakshakarwa6333he is talking about the actual war mentioned in Mahabharata
Yes.for space is distance between 2 or more objects.when there is no 2 that's is ,no duality ,so there is no space.
Also time means an interval between 2 events,for example sunrise and sunset.but even time had not begin by then.Because events were altogether absent
And what about the general relativity and what it claims that spacetime is a very concrete thing that can be bend (thus thus gravity)?
Almost every term in Science today like gravity, Atom etc was discovered and researched deeply on by ancient Indian scholars, and sages. Atom was called Anu, and Gravity was described such that Earth had a tendency to attract objects toward itself, thus defining gravity.
Is Vedic idea of gravity push or pull?
@@indianmilitary verse from Rg Veda [10.149. 1] details the heliocentric model of our solar system and describes gravity using the analogy of a horse trainer saying that the sun holds the planets in orbit, just as a trainer would train horses by making it run in circles (orbits) using a leash (gravity). Gurutvakarshana(gravity) is pulling force.
Just mesmerizingly narrated! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you so much for the lovely feedback!
During the scientific revolution of the 20th century, western scientists armed as were with their new insights and methods to explore some of the most baffling questions of the universe
with the advent of quantum mechanics and relativity , became brazenly contemptuous and dismissive of the Abrahamic ideas of creationism. However when they encountered the vedas -nothing in their world view had prepared them to deal with the ideas like the Nasadiya Sukta contained in the vedas. They found it impossible to fathom that the Scientific Method that they cherished and believed was purely a result of western scientific revolutions and contestations against the church, were actually enshrined in the scriptures of the vedanta thousands of years ago !! Quantum mpioneer Erwin Schrodinger was so fascinated that he developed a life long obsession with the metaphysics of the vedanta
We really want men of your knowledge to show the light of differences that exist in objects of reality to the people.
Thank you for your kind words Ashutosh. And thanks for watching.
Pagan culture
Shudra - One who thinks just about himself
Vaishya - One who only thinks about his family
Kshatriya - One who thinks about the Nation
Bhramin - One who thinks about the entire cosmos (Brahaman)
I think the English translation is a bit at fault here. What is the word for "gods" used? Because if it's devas, then that can denote "demigods", but the "one" can be absolute truth/brahman/god.
What a beautiful and insightful interpretation of the Nasadiya Suktam. Truly, one of the most beautiful creations hymns in ancient literature and evidence of the emergence of philosophical man. I just wanted to add, I recently also use to believe that the Vedas proclaim the "ONE" or "ekam sat" but after watching a great presentation on the mathematics of ancient India and the definition of zero found in Brahmagupta's text as infinite positive numbers and infinite negative numbers, that its made me look back at this hymn with fresh eyes and also the Buddhist doctrine of "sunyata". The hymn proclaims that in the beginning was the ONE, and the ONE became MANY, but it seems to hint at a state prior to the ONE, because it raises a question as to the ultimate origins of the ONE, and even asks whether the ONE the highest surveyor of creation knows or does not know. This hints that the Vedic seers were pointing to an ultimate origin, an ultimate reality or existence that is not the ONE, but from which the ONE itself came. What comes before ONE? Zero.
You also rightly pick up on the parallel between modern cosmology and the Nasadiya suktam, that it suggests a big bang. The later Samkhya philosophers take this to a level of more than a parallel, it practically is identical to the modern cosmology. The Samkhya philosophers talk about the reality prior to this creation as a singular, undifferentiated infinite but unmanifest matter in which the modes of change or motion or gunas are in equilibrium. Then something causes the gunas to come out of balance, leading to the creation of infinite universes, each one finite, differentiated and singular, to be conceived of in the Vaishnava tradition later to be like bubbles emanating from a cosmic foam. The first guna to become active is "rajas" which causes a sudden and massive explosion of energy(in later Tantra cosmology called "Bindu-Vishpot" or point-explosion) and the energy expands outwards to become matter and evolve into all material objects. At the end of creation phase of the cycle, the destruction cycle goes into reverse. In other words infinite universes are born every moment and expand contract. Every "ONE" is coming from the same "ZERO"
If you have an email then I can send you an traditional detailed explanation of this verse. Most English translators know nothing about Sanskrit grammar and they miss the real meaning.
You can email me at pbolland@swccd.edu. Thank you.
In the purusha sukta there is a verse that says the one that is not possible to be born is born as many/everything(ajayamano bahudha vijayate), which explains that premodial being.
I was Christian but right I m hindu because of the beauty of hindu Vedas and scriptures..
Any religion can't give the actual knowledge about the god
The early readings here really do remind me of the kinds of descriptions theoretical cosmologists have come up with in relation to the "Big Bang"/"Inflation" and the evolution of the early universe.
I have often wondered about whether out knowledge of the physical universe has advanced all that much from what echoes down to us from the Vedas and other early cosmological mythologies.
I share your take on this David. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Very interesting facts about hindu concept of God or Brahman is that it is described as formless, nameless and qualitiless.when other god concepts say god is all good.here god is neutral.bcz it manifested as universe and there are good and bad things both.Very interesting and smart view of God.
Before written Veda Mantras onto paper, Baramns used to teach through vocals to children at that time, so no one intentionally did wrong purport of Vedas mantra ...
I really liked how you read it. The story is: there is a God or Force that created the god Vishnu which is the God of the Universe ( universe = Vishva). When Vishnu realized he exists he wondered where he came from.
So the energy of the Vishnu is our universe.
Thank you...I never tire of the beautiful way the Indian traditions move through the liminal space between science, history, mythology, religion, and philosophy.
Your video is really great. Don't worry about the critics. I really appreciate your time and effort to research and present us through your video. Thank you very much. Keep going!! Love from India.
I am from India and I am a Sanatan Dharmi. I think you are mistaken, sir. The 'One' described in the Rig Veda is the Supreme God and IT preceded the universe. He created the universe and is the universe. The 'God' word which is later used refers to the minor gods in the Hindu Culture, which came into existence later.Nonetheless, this video was very informative and thank you for spreading the words of our Ancient Culture.🙏🏻
I'm currently working on a video about the Great Creatrix Goddess Aditi of the Rig Veda, who is perhaps the earliest name of 'god'/ 'the One'/ the progenitor of the cosmos.
Great effort overall to explain this verse. The translation of devas is not gods- this was only a very British invention who didn''t get this. Hence the confusion that Peter has why the 'one' arose before the gods.
In Hinduism, we have the holy trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.
The devas and asuras are celestial and supernatural beings who live on other planets ( lok). For example Indra lives on Indra lok ( abode of Indra). For example, Ravana in the Ramayana is an asura who also had supernatural powers.
When one reads stories from THE PURANAS(another set of Indian texts like the Vedas), there is mention of people traveling from earth to other planets ( lok) belonging to the devas. Clearly mentioned in these puranas is the fact that when a man travels from earth to these other planets and returns to earth they find that their parents and friends have grown old and yet others have passed away. I read these stories as a child and didn't know that we had a scientific term to describe it. Later in life, I came to know that this is called Time Dilation. It is as if someone had written 'Interstellar' more than 5000 years ago.
One thing I want to say our ancestor has to say that every VEDA Mantra has 3 meaning 1) Adhi-Bhotik 2) Adhi-Devik 3) Adhytamik ... Its depends how you interpret that Mantra ...
Hindu is all about enquiry, we question everything, we learn by questions
Village priests may open their temple ceremonies with the following beloved invocation:
O Lord, forgive three sins that are due to my human limitations:
Thou art everywhere, but I worship thee here;
Thou art without form, but I worship thee in these forms;
Thou needest no praise, yet I offer thee these prayers and salutations;
Lord, forgive three sins that are due to my human limitations.
Wonderful! Thank you.
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Spinoza did study Eastern philosophy
The spinoza God, prompting enistein
Did "God" had a choice in creating this universe.
Enistein when asked if he believes in God
Replied I believe in Spinoza God ,who reveal himself In the lawful Harmony of the universe not in a God concern with the fate and doing of man
Oh Arjuna just as the SUN that sheds light on everything we see isn't affected by malaise of the eyes , so too Oh Arjuna
I (Sri Bhagwan Krishna) am not affected by the wickedness of men
Bhagvad Gita
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It also means "Tat Tvam Asi'' meaning - You (conscious and immanent athma or the soul) are (already) that (conscious, transcendent and omnipresent divine) regardless of whether you realize it or not because without the conscious, immanent and omnipresent athma or divine nothing can exist. Identification with thoughts and body is just an illusion because the 5 senses are experienced by the athma or soul and it is NOT the doer. Conscious and omnipresent athma or soul is like a silk thread which goes through different pearls (animate and inanimate) if you think in terms of an analogy.
Consciousness is an attribute of the immanent and omnipresent athma or the divine just like heat is an attribute of fire and the sun.
I wish to find someone to speak about my experiences through this. I need to talk in depth
Veda means knowledge,which is not written earlier, it is passed throughout generation by remembrance.the sound of recitation.max Muller an Sanskrit German scholar translated it into German language, which was later translated to many language, but not with same depth of understandability.
6:21 "male pronoun creeps in." Well in Sanskrit, the Verb form is independent of gender of the doer. And you don't need to explicitly say the doer in a sentence. For example, in English you say, He created the universe. In Sanskrit apart from the above way you can also write, (Someone) Created the universe. That's why, Vaishavaites believe it is Lord Narayan (Krishna), Shaivaits believe it's Lord Shiva and Shaktyas believe it's Devi Shakti who is the all souce of everything. These are three main division in Hinduism and Devi Shakti is female. So, the translation was creepy and sexist but not the original Vedic Sanskrit text. This is another difference between genesis and Hindu thought of creation. But good things about Hindu culture is that you are allowed to interpret things in your way and would not be considered as sexist even if you choose it as 'He'.
In my full-length classroom teaching, we always clarify all of this, as you have done here. English translations, or any translations of any ancient text (or contemporary text for that matter) always leaves much to be desired. All kinds of distortion and error creeps in. Even in their original language form, all texts fall short of the truth they are trying to convey. Translation is just another layer of distortion. The way past all of this, in my view, is to read texts imaginatively, not too literally. Go for the suggestions, not the declarations. Thanks again for watching and commenting.
How can you say it is okay to interpret things as you like if the text suggests something specific in the matter ?? I think correct interpretation has to be made of the source it's from... And If the scripture confuses you rather than revealing answer in any clear form then.. it is vital and wise option to question the authority of the source and even more essential to want to know where does the scripture come from..... Don't you think so? 🤔.. On the side note, you may feel my message as straight hate or confrontation to you but, I myself am a seeker and I'm on the quest of investigating the creation mystery. Truly, this is just my curiously ignited question upon your presented comment on choose what you like !!
@@PeterBolland you cant interpret the wrong translation and say its okay. It's like saying i followed the big sheep because i dont now how to take a pead because I'm sheep🐏.
There are actual sanskrit pandits who need to review whether it matches the standards else cant be appropriatedand call it myth. It has lot of education meanwhile abrahamic religions just say your siner, lol
It's a very poor Hindu indeed who does not question each and everything in search for truth..even the Gods and himself.And this level of thought emanating from so far in the past is a reminder to keep on questioning.
I dont agree with genesis, beginning cant be part of singulairty, because when it says "in the beginning" and that means genesis says there was a beginning but in Hinduism there is no beginning infact beginning and ending is the part of duality, so the singularity(Brahman) has to be beginningless and endless, so gensis is wrong in it's first sentence, but Rig Vedas say "Then" which is nor beginning nor end it means like it always existed but because rig veda is being translated in english which is not the best language in terms of understanding and translation sucks and losses it's real meaning, understaning of sanscrit language is necessary to 100% understand what it is realing saying and meaning.
Vedas are much older then we think it is, 5561 BCE when Krishan was here even then Vedas was so ancient that it almost went extinct, but Krishna revived it before that, Rama revived it around 12,209 BCE which actually came from Lord Shiva who never aged never born and never died he is the manifestation of almighty eternal brahman in Human form in duality and his wife is half part of him which is necessary for brahman (the conscious singulairty) to manifest in duality to enjoy the duality created by themself.
the symbol of Brahman is Om
OM NAMAH SHIVAY
Hey, I'm not a Sanskrit expert but from what I've learnt and based on my broader understanding of Hindu philosophy, "he" only comes up here in the English translation. The original Sanskrit version does not seem gendered.
I’m wondering is the One is Ishvara and the gods are the Devas/Devis?
well, we can’t call every concept of creation as myth. at least one of them is closer to the truth.
Those gods which work here are like angels of christianity and islam which hold high positions
Whereas brahm who is the ultimate reality he existed before everything
Simple and aptly put sir.
The sages and seers of ancient India could analyze and decipher the mysteries of the universe with relative accuracy more than five thousand years ago because those thinkers existed in a certain cultural context and society that allowed debate unmolested and unconstrained by dogma and a society that encouraged and appreciated thinkers, provided those philosophers the space to apply reason in the pursuit of truth and only truth.
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What beautiful and lucid commentary on a beautiful suktam
Thank you so much.
Nothing related to vaccum, that's correct. But what's being referenced here is - there was nothing (vaccum) but bear in mind vaccum still means there is space. So not even nothingness means, there wasn't even space. So this translates to there was nothing absolutely i.e. not even space time fabric
Yes.for space is distance between 2 or more objects.when there is no 2 that's is ,no duality ,so there is no space.
Also time means an interval between 2 events,for example sunrise and sunset.but even time had not begin by then.Because events were altogether absent.
This is not a story.
Vedas have no past no history.
They have mantras not verses.
In Vedic Sanskrit and not in Sanskrit.
Oral form
Knowledge received by four Rishis in the form of Vibrations 4th form of the sound.
HiranyaGrabha answers this question. This is just a small part of the creation of universe according to ved.
You eyes... When yu said he knows or even he doesn't know ❤️
What number or chapter is that in the Rig veda?
I'm reading from Philip Novak's wonderful anthology "The World's Wisdom." Here's the citation he gives for the passage I read in the video: Rig-Veda X: 129: 1-4, 6-7. A. L. Basham, "The Wonder That Was India" (London, 1954), 247-48, quoted in Eliade, ed., "Essential Sacred Writings," 109-10
Sir please learn little bit of Sanskrit even I don't know so much of Sanskrit
Or study rig Veda SAAM yeju
Rig-Veda mandal 10 Nasdiya sukt
Rig veda has astronomical and geological references that predate 1800bc ... I e When Saraswati river dried up.... Veda mean true knowledge , it is what the original gods/creators passed down to lower creatures, which were realized under deep meditation to understand the ONE.. it is again explained by Krishna in the Bhagwad Geeta
Consciousness the primordial sea, absolute bliss. Matter evolved from Consciousness and and mind evolved from matter on its journey to return back to Consciousness
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Which translation are your reading?
Oh! I found it the Philip Novak book. What an inspiring lecture, thank you so much for you wisdom. The universe seems to have blessed you with a talent of teaching.
I am reading from the excerpt in Philip Novak's "The World's Wisdom."
wish youd mention namah-rupa... name & form. some teachers of Vedic knowledge insist one listen to the beginning of the 1st mandala chanted by a pedigreed pundit, and translated word for word, but, I enjoyed what you presented here very much, my thanks!!!
It's not a myth. It's pure science.
Vedas are written as a way to the life & Universe. Faiths were formed after that.
So the title should be vedic science.
Here in the U.S., we study cosmogonies (creation accounts) in the academic discipline of mythology. In western academia, "myth" does not mean lie or falsehood -- it means truth conveyed allegorically or metaphorically. My students here in California really enjoy encountering this creation account in the Rig Veda and they immediately recognize its scientific flavor, and how different it is from nearly every other cosmogony on earth where a god or gods create the world, whereas in the Rig Veda is clearly states that "the gods are later than this creation" and are therefore a part of the created universe, not its source, (as I point out in the video). Thank you Vampire The Immortal God for watching and commenting. Nice TH-cam handle.
Sir I want to correct you that the Vedas cannot be dated ie no one can tell when they were written cuz the more you research the deeper it gets so it is highly possible that the Vedas were always there
The art of writing was invented on earth about 5,000 years ago. Nothing was written before that. Everything before 3,000 B.C.E. is oral tradition and artifacts. Therefore, any attempts to date the original appearance of the Vedas are simply speculative.
rig vedas according to recent studies are 8000 years old, wghich is in the written form, it might be older because in india knowledge has always been passing knowledge verbally.
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why does this has so low views? nice video
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In the Vedic creation story the void, or nothingness and the profound absence are always present. You can find them if you search for them. The nothingness lies underneath existence and the profound absence lies beyond that and cannot be perceived physically.
Exactly. And we’ll said.
and an attribute of so called "nothingness" which is beyond space and time is the consciousness just like how heat is for fire and the sun. The so called nothingness and its energy cannot exist without each other. So, they always exist together for the perpetual duality cycles to happen. Hindus call it conscious, immortal, immutable, immanent (soul), transcendent and omnipresent Shiva and Shakthi - intelligent energy.
Thank you so much sir for the explanation , the one , the souce is what it is , it is that ,
Everything comes from
The day we uncover the veil of maya as we dive deeper in our hearts through meditation , we go back to it or at least near it
During mahapralaya we go back to the source, the one
And thank you so much sir , it has made me realise how insignificant am i 🙏😊
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Its interesting that the Vedas, and its Gnyana Kanda's (Aranyakas, Upanishads) emphasize only THE ONE, later Brahman, as being the only Ultimate Reality.. The only object of our Vedic pursuit towards MOKSH/liberation.. The Nasadiya Suktam (Creation Story) is simply an intellectually open-ended teaser.. Its creation as Prakruti/Manifested Universe is deliberately kept ambiguous, as is the emphasis on the reality of its eventual dissolution back into THE ONE.. So, unlike the Abrahamic faiths, the creation (and existence/dissolution) part of Prakruti is not that important.. FROM WHERE it emerged, Brahman, is the focus..
Thank you for this thoughtful comment.
"He" is the limitation of the english translation. The cause is described as without any features or describable properties, aka "Nirguna"
In earth modern Humans are just 250000 years old. But before humans there are millions of great civilizations like humans are originated and destroyed in earth we are not first And vedas explained this deeply like Yugas theory. I think today humans are not capable of understanding Vedas theory may be after 3000- 4000 years we will understand. Just like 2000 years ago people are laughing on Vedic Vimana theory people believed this is impossible to flying any house like things. But today this is proved and Aircraft, plane's are flying. May be many things we will understand in future because vedas are countined form first life with deep knowledge.
Har Har mahadev
Creation sounds like switching on of a very intricate and infinite simulation.