grimstroke is amazing in all stages. But when you ult a bkb and non bkb hero you can still cast your spells or items on the non bkb to affect the bkb enemy. Halberd, solar crest etc.
he dont have ability to shove the waves tho. well its his ult if you want to count. but the skill cd is big enough to just casually throw for every waves
I've recently began treating rankeds seriously, and started seriously working on my mmr. Currently at 2.7k, got around 400-500 mmr is like 3-4 weeks. Shadow Shaman has quickly became my favourite whenever I can't get pos1 or 3, which I usually prefer playing. He's absolutely ridiculous, fantastic for controlling the game tempo and snowballing everybody by just ganking everything that moves, pushes like a madman, and whenever his wards are up, he essentially forces at least one other person to respond to his pushing threat, cause structures crumble extremely fast whenever he's nearby them, while saving his wards for said response keeps his kill threat well into the midgame. His talents are fantastic as well, there's really no reason to not pick him up whenever he's available (and who bans him in soloq anyway). And not only are his disables laughably lengthy, their cooldowns are also deceptively short - if you survive the initiation, you can constantly infuriate people by just locking them down over and over again - being able to hard disable two people at once is an absolutely devastating weapon to have, and all on a hero you can pretty much first pick and not be let down by much.
@@traum4rei959 Blink, Aether Lens and Glimmer Cape are an absolute must have. Force Staff is a solid addition too, and then it depends. Aghs is great, especially if your team has a lot of lock-down, and pairs up ridiculously well with Refresher. Meteor Hammer can be bought if you push a lot too, getting Boots of Travel later on gives you a lot more breathing room too. As for talents, I go for as follows : XP Gain -> Cast Range -> Either Ward HP or Shackles duration is great, so this one is a personal preferrence -> Ether Shock (think it's better than wards, unless you do choose to go for Aghs). Play around your ultimate's CD - early/mid pressure towers with your wards while helping secure map control and lane adventage to your team, while later on use your bullshit CC potential to ruin people's games. My skill prio is Ult -> Ether Shock -> Hex (I know Shackles lasts longer, but Hex is near-instant, and doesn't require channeling) -> Shackles.
Ancient Apparition Level 25 talent 700 AOE cold feet is insane and combined with Ocatrine core for the reduced cooldown, can completely turn fights with an almost permanent stun. I've only had this a few times and it is superb
I was really hoping Dazzle was here... In late games Bad Juju is so OP. Graves + glimmer + forcestaff + solar crest + habilites (heal and grave). If you know how to position yourself no teammate will die. I´m a Dazzle spammer LUL, went on divine 5 to immortal spamming that hero.
Expected shaman to be at the top. That hero as a pos 4 is broken. Once had a 60 min game where his total disabled time was 520+ secs. Absolutely disgusting
Winter Wyvern??? 9% hp per second burn with insane range, slow and that allows you to fly over cliffs etc (no cd with scepter), 340 aoe dmg to almost all units from insane range with a 4 second slow and 2 second stun (talent) on a 7 second cd? One of the best % based heals of the game? A one click team fight win button.
Yeah I'm surprised wyvern wasn't on the list. I guess the video kind of follows the support that turns into a core late game angle, but holy shit the value in being able to instantly turn a scaling agi carry into your pet is a good ability. The one-button fight winner.
Pushing all 3 lanes like crazy + nuking towers with meme hammer when hidden in the trees. I remember with the respawn talent, there was 0 chance for enemy to bring creeps to my base because I had like 30 seconds respawn time and would wipe all enemy lanes before they manage to reach my hg even if they kill all 5 on my team :D
“Rubik if he can steal black hole”. Enigma doesn’t have to steal it, potentially the strongest team fight move in the game. His only weakness is relying on team members to be ready or god forbid go in 1st to set it up instead of waiting for a magic 5 man hole to start the fight. Also Lich, bane, dw, wd all on my list. Lastly I haven’t seen any mention of disrupter in top comments, he’s just an amazing support. Way too many comments about heroes who are not support. Too many games with Miranda and np type heroes as the 2 supports. Really poor drafting and gives you a huge disadvantage in reliable disables.
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I am experiencing an annoying problem that made me kinda stopped picking lion While draining mana from literally any enemy unit, my hero automatically and immediately attacks them Which means you cant drain for full duration
for warlock, u pick the -7s shadow word cooldown, then pick aoe shadow word, link creeps and shadow word all of them, all creeps die in 2 seconds and there is ur lane shove, try it guys, feels really good
Chen spikes and maxes out midgame - you try to finish the game in 25 min with Chen. We are talking 40 min+ in this video so if chen is in the late game then its already a fail :)
Hi i hope you will read this I recently use luna as support using due to his skill 3 and skill 1 and talent buff Is it really ok if i use it on high tier?? I play it on archon level
If you been able to get hex first .. yea he is very good im mid game but not late game he get killed very first and even if he stay alive he is useless but for his second
Pretty disappointed WW isn’t on the list. Great wave push with her splinter blast, cold embrace is a decent save for herself/cores - hell even her Q is a decent spell. Not to mention her ult basically turns the strengths of the opposing team against themselves. Then her talents are pretty beast too - mainly the 90gpm at lvl 10 & +1.5sec ult duration at 25. Great late game support imo
Not forgetting that she has great stat growth, can build many different ways, can disable a full team and farm a lane from the trees. Winter Wyvern is Winter Waifu
I would put healing Abaddon on this list. All he needs is Holy Locket, Guardian Greaves, and Pipe. Get the lvl 15 mist coil talent, lvl 20 cooldown reduction, and lvl 25 mist coil talent again.... Now you created a healing BEAST. You got a 3 sec 500+ AOE heal with just mist coil, its nuts. Your team DOES NOT DIE in late game. And your team takes towers down so fast with his passive. Mist Coil is one of the best healing abilities in the game. I can hit 15k healing easy, even without the lvl 25 talent.
@@natefiver6623 Probably the replay was ahead when lion was with 17 kills and then, they went back and the counter was 15 but wasnt updated on the tooltip.
By late game he hits really hard to. So if you have let's say es tide and some heroes with cc, u can pick silencer and get away with it and also you hit hard late game
i think Omniknight should be there somewhere cuz late game u can keep your allies alive for the longest time with that 5s cooldown on ur W after u take the 25 talent ur carry will never be cc'ed and u just cant die lol
Would like to hear your pro's and con's about sand kind. His sand storm talents are amazing and lvl 25 you can shift team fights with the sand storm blind and slow. In addition scepter on sk allows you to have one of the craziest catches in the whole game, also allowing you to initiate, escape at any time.
@@10Radu93 SK cant be played as pos 4/5 since he breaks the lane equilibrium and takes farm with sand storm and passive. If you dont level/use sandostorm and passive then I dont know why you pick SK.
you missed the doctor! WD is one heavily underrated hero. Maledict is probably one of the best spells in the game that scales late game too. the number of times it allowed us a come back when we didn't have quite enough damage to kill the enemy team. team fight ends, 2 seconds later, they lost half their team or more already so they can't push. it's not space creating it's time creating and gold generating for your entire team in some cases. plust the extra bounces on cask, holy flying chipmunks it's annoying
You missed WitchDoctor. Just his maledict is scary enough. Its basically a 40% magic burst on total damage every tick, apart from its own base damage. And the little skulls he throws are the farming ability, pure gpm. And then his ultimate? That destroys teams if done right (from trees + bkb / sb / bkb+sb)
How are people here's opinion about Naga Support? Had one in my Luna lane, kept me from getting adiquate farm until 30m in, where I'm usually level 25 by 40m. Also they were lagging and I was forced to pick over the support, but after the hard support.
Doesnt scale into lategame - she peaks midgame at level 18 and then just gradually falls off. Unless you go rightclick build but then you are not a support but a mid.
@@stubb1qaz that's exactly what I said. Ogre with agh, octarine and hex can permanently stun 1-2 heroes in a fight. PLUS he is one of the best heroes early-mid game.
@@stubb1qaz I didn't say ogre was #1, I was saying he should have been somewhere on the list. Some heroes there don't come close to Ogre's usefulness in late game.
I think SS has the benefit of not using a channeled ult like WD or CM he just had to set it and forget it. Even the warlock has to use some micro while playing with the golems. I think he's the easiest to win with.
Why aganim in Shadow Shaman? the gold is too much.. tranquil aether lens blink then ghost skepter/glimer/force suff should be your goal. I never make aga.. Some times i have made refresher when we cant finish though in superlate game
Aganim gives only splitshot why is that that much important. Its hard to understand the value of the item compared to its cost even now. The items that i said do require a lot of gold also and keep bb ofc
CM isn't that good in lategame. Once enemies get BKBs cm is useless. Thats why she is almost never picked in competitive dota due to the fact that there are bunch of better supports. CM's winrate in normal bracket is 55%, also CM's winrate in immortal rank is 47%. On the other hand Venge's winrate in normal bracket 50%, and in immortal rank 59%. Crystal maiden is overrated support. Also Warlock in normal bracket winrate 56% and in immportal bracket 47%. Some heroes are good for some skillpools and for some aren't.
I can't believe AA is not only not in the top 3 but also not on the list at all, that hero is insane late. This better not be one of those top 10 engagement baits.
My boi speed I personally think jakiro is the best late game support I mean the double burn and split pushing and lvl25 pure dmg he is just unstoppable at teamfights
enigma his on the offlane video but it's funny how He is base on pure dammage and % , he is one of only hero who can one shoot 5 heros and even more ,as a support it's big
Speed Drinking game is taking places...its very good guys u can try it, Here are the ruleZzzz: Whenever you hear Speed says the following: 1. Now (after presenting a hero) - 1 Shot 2. Now (in any other time) - 2 Shots 3. Not only that - 2 Shots You can try it, but keep in mind...you will get wasted very quickly !!!
Why no Auroth? :c She has good talents, waveclear with splinter blast, a save for yourself or allies, highly mobile with flying movement (one of only three heros) and a bkb piercing stun and aoe disable that turns the enemy against one of theirs, using their farm against themselves and setting them up for your team.
10 Crystal 0:49
9 IO 2:00
8 Earthshaker 3:21
7 Shadow Demon 4:44
6 Lion 6:19
5 Elder Titan 7:38
4 Skywrath 9:04
3 Grimstroke 10:10
2 Warlock 11:51
1 Shadow shaman 13:40
0 Rubic 16:13
Thank you for saving me some time!
you are a legend! I mean... immortal!
Who the f call maiden "crystal"
I wonder why no Bane, ult pierce bkb, although he move so slow, all he needs is better positioning
Sooo arent we gonna talk bout how the thumbnail Said 5 supports and the vidéo is about 10?
I don't if I should feel bad or good
5 extra is always good. It's not like we have to pay for it ;)
Isnt that good?
Everyone who didnt expect Elder Titan on this list didnt watch TI9
He was in almost all matches lol
Where is dazzle oracle and witch doctor
Best support of the year: magic build sniper
Lmao let me guess jenkins??
@@FataMorgana04 im pretty sure speeed did video on that
Best support in Herald bracket... Best feeder in higher brackets...
@@sakthlaunda2323 secret plays support sniper in pro games..
Can't believe how much speed has grown 😂
grimstroke is amazing in all stages. But when you ult a bkb and non bkb hero you can still cast your spells or items on the non bkb to affect the bkb enemy. Halberd, solar crest etc.
Oh realy! I didnt know that! Thanks bro!
This is false. BKB'd heroes are unaffected when linked. try it in demo mode... (grimstroke spammer here.)
Dark willow has been forgotten
to me she is more like a pos 4 than 5 but anyway both are support
the bait by sky at 9:44 LOL
No AA?
Percentage based healing deny?
Aoe Cold Feet?
amazon AOE Cold feet Kreygasm
Aoe cold feet,weird saying that out loud..
We were once lost a 70 minutes game because of AOE cold feet and a silencer.
Also another one worth mentioning is Phoenix since his percentage damage destroys tanks and his aghs allows him to heal during ult
he dont have ability to shove the waves tho. well its his ult if you want to count. but the skill cd is big enough to just casually throw for every waves
I've recently began treating rankeds seriously, and started seriously working on my mmr. Currently at 2.7k, got around 400-500 mmr is like 3-4 weeks.
Shadow Shaman has quickly became my favourite whenever I can't get pos1 or 3, which I usually prefer playing. He's absolutely ridiculous, fantastic for controlling the game tempo and snowballing everybody by just ganking everything that moves, pushes like a madman, and whenever his wards are up, he essentially forces at least one other person to respond to his pushing threat, cause structures crumble extremely fast whenever he's nearby them, while saving his wards for said response keeps his kill threat well into the midgame. His talents are fantastic as well, there's really no reason to not pick him up whenever he's available (and who bans him in soloq anyway).
And not only are his disables laughably lengthy, their cooldowns are also deceptively short - if you survive the initiation, you can constantly infuriate people by just locking them down over and over again - being able to hard disable two people at once is an absolutely devastating weapon to have, and all on a hero you can pretty much first pick and not be let down by much.
Any tips for late game build?
@@traum4rei959 Blink, Aether Lens and Glimmer Cape are an absolute must have. Force Staff is a solid addition too, and then it depends. Aghs is great, especially if your team has a lot of lock-down, and pairs up ridiculously well with Refresher. Meteor Hammer can be bought if you push a lot too, getting Boots of Travel later on gives you a lot more breathing room too.
As for talents, I go for as follows : XP Gain -> Cast Range -> Either Ward HP or Shackles duration is great, so this one is a personal preferrence -> Ether Shock (think it's better than wards, unless you do choose to go for Aghs).
Play around your ultimate's CD - early/mid pressure towers with your wards while helping secure map control and lane adventage to your team, while later on use your bullshit CC potential to ruin people's games.
My skill prio is Ult -> Ether Shock -> Hex (I know Shackles lasts longer, but Hex is near-instant, and doesn't require channeling) -> Shackles.
@@NostalgiaXV Thank you very much.
Looks like someone forgot about bane, ult together with enfeeble has 11.2 sec stun.
League player : brain evaporates
Ancient Apparition Level 25 talent 700 AOE cold feet is insane and combined with Ocatrine core for the reduced cooldown, can completely turn fights with an almost permanent stun. I've only had this a few times and it is superb
I was really hoping Dazzle was here... In late games Bad Juju is so OP. Graves + glimmer + forcestaff + solar crest + habilites (heal and grave). If you know how to position yourself no teammate will die.
I´m a Dazzle spammer LUL, went on divine 5 to immortal spamming that hero.
Expected shaman to be at the top. That hero as a pos 4 is broken. Once had a 60 min game where his total disabled time was 520+ secs. Absolutely disgusting
shaman is not a late game hero. Early damage, after that he is shit.
@@dhr.neuteboom4536 are a Herald ? Coz u sure sounds like 1
who made that crystal maiden artwork :)
www.deviantart.com/loputon/art/Crystal-Maiden-673697755
Winter Wyvern??? 9% hp per second burn with insane range, slow and that allows you to fly over cliffs etc (no cd with scepter), 340 aoe dmg to almost all units from insane range with a 4 second slow and 2 second stun (talent) on a 7 second cd? One of the best % based heals of the game? A one click team fight win button.
Or a one click teamfight lose button..
@@markpagtama7954 Haha, thats the beauty of it! No one said it was supposed to be easy.
Subscribed just because you said ''your pubs go late!" hahaha that's true
What suport is es with force staff, dagger and almost aganim in 20 min? Rly? Do you know what suport means?
Where is Rubick ?!
Rubick's effectiveness depends on the opponent spells available for stealing
@@lordtimone7302 what about bane? Or wd? Or dark willlow?
@@lordtimone7302 yes. But his lift really last a long time once you max your 3rd. And its really good for catching carries
Been playing KOTL, will try Warlock
WW will always be the best support for me
Yeah I'm surprised wyvern wasn't on the list. I guess the video kind of follows the support that turns into a core late game angle, but holy shit the value in being able to instantly turn a scaling agi carry into your pet is a good ability. The one-button fight winner.
@@zachb8012 aa is better i think i mean the ice blast is the strongest spell in the game if you manage to hit some people with it
Wyvern is my favorite hero but she is easily contered in divine medals. It's hard to play in these games
What about ogre ?? Is he good ??
Treant protector is great too , aghanim + unlimtied roots make him so strong late game
Pushing all 3 lanes like crazy + nuking towers with meme hammer when hidden in the trees. I remember with the respawn talent, there was 0 chance for enemy to bring creeps to my base because I had like 30 seconds respawn time and would wipe all enemy lanes before they manage to reach my hg even if they kill all 5 on my team :D
“Rubik if he can steal black hole”. Enigma doesn’t have to steal it, potentially the strongest team fight move in the game. His only weakness is relying on team members to be ready or god forbid go in 1st to set it up instead of waiting for a magic 5 man hole to start the fight. Also Lich, bane, dw, wd all on my list. Lastly I haven’t seen any mention of disrupter in top comments, he’s just an amazing support. Way too many comments about heroes who are not support. Too many games with Miranda and np type heroes as the 2 supports. Really poor drafting and gives you a huge disadvantage in reliable disables.
Content suggestion: Your top 3 heroes and the little nuances most people aren't aware of when playing them. I've spammed Io for a while and tether has tons of weird applications.
I am experiencing an annoying problem that made me kinda stopped picking lion
While draining mana from literally any enemy unit, my hero automatically and immediately attacks them
Which means you cant drain for full duration
for warlock, u pick the -7s shadow word cooldown, then pick aoe shadow word, link creeps and shadow word all of them, all creeps die in 2 seconds and there is ur lane shove, try it guys, feels really good
Would Chen be in the list if he wasn't nerfed?
Eric Oliveira i think so, cause chen's heal, army and recall is so scary at late game
not to forget those game breaking bugs
Chen spikes and maxes out midgame - you try to finish the game in 25 min with Chen. We are talking 40 min+ in this video so if chen is in the late game then its already a fail :)
Best supports are visage, wyvern and willow. All of them can farm, they have really good aghs and can transform into really strong cores.
Hi i hope you will read this
I recently use luna as support using due to his skill 3 and skill 1 and talent buff
Is it really ok if i use it on high tier??
I play it on archon level
Omg. He mentioned all of my hero pool.
No dazzle, i mean he had 50% cd reduction, u can u send hex with 7 CD and 30 sec bkb
If you been able to get hex first .. yea he is very good im mid game but not late game he get killed very first and even if he stay alive he is useless but for his second
My favorite supports are Crystal Maiden, Enchantress, Lina, Windranger, Venomancer. You can play them as carry if your carries are nonexisitng
I saw slark support in pub games does that count?
Tbh, he is a late game crusher
Great vid. Got a question. At 4:07 at the top of the screen the vid shows a dmg combo number. How do i get this or where ? Thx for the help
the new earthshaker planetfall arcana
You're really stepping it up Speed!Actually made me resubscribe. To me these videos are more inspirational and motivational than anything.
Not long moved to dota from league, can confirm shaman was an eye opener when I first changed game.
Bungis Khan shaman is a beast....he had the long disable with low cd, and will/can destroy tower with his ult
@@dherizdoabdullah1792 Yea I couldn't believe how much cc he has.
Pretty disappointed WW isn’t on the list. Great wave push with her splinter blast, cold embrace is a decent save for herself/cores - hell even her Q is a decent spell. Not to mention her ult basically turns the strengths of the opposing team against themselves. Then her talents are pretty beast too - mainly the 90gpm at lvl 10 & +1.5sec ult duration at 25. Great late game support imo
Not forgetting that she has great stat growth, can build many different ways, can disable a full team and farm a lane from the trees. Winter Wyvern is Winter Waifu
I would put healing Abaddon on this list. All he needs is Holy Locket, Guardian Greaves, and Pipe. Get the lvl 15 mist coil talent, lvl 20 cooldown reduction, and lvl 25 mist coil talent again.... Now you created a healing BEAST. You got a 3 sec 500+ AOE heal with just mist coil, its nuts. Your team DOES NOT DIE in late game. And your team takes towers down so fast with his passive. Mist Coil is one of the best healing abilities in the game. I can hit 15k healing easy, even without the lvl 25 talent.
Lion's ult goes from 17 to 16 kill charges XD
How!!
@@natefiver6623 Probably the replay was ahead when lion was with 17 kills and then, they went back and the counter was 15 but wasnt updated on the tooltip.
Late game Enigma is really good. If you have Aghs and refresher, you could kill almost everyone even without a right-clicker. Just 3rd and ss.
Thing is enigma is more commonly played as a core these days. Not a support.
Thats why hes not in this video
Could you please share a link to that cm fan art?
www.deviantart.com/loputon/art/Crystal-Maiden-673697755
Silencer- from pos 5 to 2. Why is he not here. Co'z he is silent? Yah sure. Hahahaha
hmmm let me see... no stuns, bad wave clear,no building damage, your 2 min cooldown ult is dispeled simply by using manta... seriously use your head
By late game he hits really hard to. So if you have let's say es tide and some heroes with cc, u can pick silencer and get away with it and also you hit hard late game
What about disruptor? Has a 180 gold talent, and his aghs is insane. CN also farm with q
You get aghs and level 18 and thats all for him. He doesnt scale past that. We are talking level 25 support at 40+ min here.
@@stubb1qaz but his ultimate is just aou silence + mute for 8 seconds lol, that's insane!
I’m new to Dota. I’ve been enjoying ES, and Ive heard that he’s a position 4 support. Do you have a video to help me understand position 4 more?
@@gameleapdota2 I dont even pay my taxes. ill think about it
dark willow + bounty hunter :D best friends forever
My friend started playing as gyro support pos5. Its insanely good, get your mmr while it’s hot
i think Omniknight should be there somewhere cuz late game u can keep your allies alive for the longest time with that 5s cooldown on ur W after u take the 25 talent ur carry will never be cc'ed and u just cant die lol
Witch doctor with aghs are pretty destructive in the late game
Thats level 18 + aghs, not super lategame. We are talking 3 big items, level 25 on a 40+ min game.
Would like to hear your pro's and con's about sand kind. His sand storm talents are amazing and lvl 25 you can shift team fights with the sand storm blind and slow. In addition scepter on sk allows you to have one of the craziest catches in the whole game, also allowing you to initiate, escape at any time.
sk is not a support.
@@stubb1qaz could be played as pos 4/5 but I see your point
@@10Radu93 SK cant be played as pos 4/5 since he breaks the lane equilibrium and takes farm with sand storm and passive. If you dont level/use sandostorm and passive then I dont know why you pick SK.
i am surprised that vengeful spirit isn't on here, with her buffs and stun that can go through bkb i thought she would naturally be on here!
you missed the doctor! WD is one heavily underrated hero. Maledict is probably one of the best spells in the game that scales late game too. the number of times it allowed us a come back when we didn't have quite enough damage to kill the enemy team. team fight ends, 2 seconds later, they lost half their team or more already so they can't push.
it's not space creating
it's time creating and gold generating for your entire team in some cases. plust the extra bounces on cask, holy flying chipmunks it's annoying
I’m starting to think there are a lot of skills which are one of the best in the game
The ONLY reason I don't play Skywrath is my pure hatred towards him. I KNOW how strong he is.
I feel like wyvern has a free kill button late game against most mmrs that also sets up for your team. Not to mention the 2sec stun talent
You missed WitchDoctor. Just his maledict is scary enough. Its basically a 40% magic burst on total damage every tick, apart from its own base damage. And the little skulls he throws are the farming ability, pure gpm. And then his ultimate? That destroys teams if done right (from trees + bkb / sb / bkb+sb)
No
What about enchantress!?
at 6:25 his stacks decrease in number after the kill, is that just a visual bug or actual bug?
Rubick user here. Too bad you did not include him.
How are people here's opinion about Naga Support? Had one in my Luna lane, kept me from getting adiquate farm until 30m in, where I'm usually level 25 by 40m. Also they were lagging and I was forced to pick over the support, but after the hard support.
I REALLY THOUGHT OGRE WOULD BE HERE!!!!!
9:50 That sky jebaited the enemy team so hard
Awesome guide sir.
Where Is Ogre? Oh Sorry he Is a Carry
what about lina ?
Doesnt scale into lategame - she peaks midgame at level 18 and then just gradually falls off. Unless you go rightclick build but then you are not a support but a mid.
Aa is a good one he does so much dmg with vortex
So what's about Lich?
Night stalker is also OP for pos 4, can also turn into a core
Where is ogre with midas? Easiest farm, best buff, best stun lock ability. Also very good early and mid game.
This video is about late game - level 25 support with 3 big items. PLease, read the title.
@@stubb1qaz that's exactly what I said. Ogre with agh, octarine and hex can permanently stun 1-2 heroes in a fight. PLUS he is one of the best heroes early-mid game.
@@nektarsolne4niy804 Warlock aghs refresher > 6 slotted ogre. Shaman aghs refresher > 6 slotted ogre.
@@stubb1qaz I didn't say ogre was #1, I was saying he should have been somewhere on the list. Some heroes there don't come close to Ogre's usefulness in late game.
@@nektarsolne4niy804 I would say ogre > CM, ET, Lion late game but the other 7 beat him.
I think SS has the benefit of not using a channeled ult like WD or CM he just had to set it and forget it. Even the warlock has to use some micro while playing with the golems. I think he's the easiest to win with.
ye id always love a support that makes kaya eblade agh and steals 20kills.. sure this might work on 2k
The important thing is not whether you are your team's top killer or not but if this allows you to end the game faster.
2k talking
@@sucoom sure buddy... Whatever makes you feel better about yourself... Even though that's kinda pitiful
Hey, Can you analyze your qualifier games
Shadow shamn.. I had 70%win rate until got the lose streak in solo que.. Drop me to 48%😢... 2 reasons bad carries and sumrfs/booster
Is the lion 200+ per kill or a flat 200+ bonus
flat +200 bonus
It's not 200 per kill that would be way too crazy
It's just 200
Why aganim in Shadow Shaman? the gold is too much.. tranquil aether lens blink then ghost skepter/glimer/force suff should be your goal. I never make aga.. Some times i have made refresher when we cant finish though in superlate game
Shaman at his best is played pos 4. Not pos 5.
And at pos 4 youll get the gold for aghs, aether lense, and more.
Aganim gives only splitshot why is that that much important. Its hard to understand the value of the item compared to its cost even now. The items that i said do require a lot of gold also and keep bb ofc
Yea i think myself that u missed ancient apparition and winter wywern both are amazing.
They deliver all they have to offer in the mid game and dont produce much more at 40+ min.
The video is not about good suports, is about suports doing very well late game
Bane can hold someone still for 13 seconds with talent ;)
And its a bkb piercing skill too 🤣🤣🤣
thanks to this another patch will contain a rasta nerf.
speed where is the rubick ?
CM isn't that good in lategame. Once enemies get BKBs cm is useless. Thats why she is almost never picked in competitive dota due to the fact that there are bunch of better supports. CM's winrate in normal bracket is 55%, also CM's winrate in immortal rank is 47%. On the other hand Venge's winrate in normal bracket 50%, and in immortal rank 59%. Crystal maiden is overrated support. Also Warlock in normal bracket winrate 56% and in immportal bracket 47%. Some heroes are good for some skillpools and for some aren't.
PHOENIX !!!!
WINTER WYVERN !!!!
TREANT PROTECTOR !!!!
Phoenix isnt played as a support mostly. But as a core. I assume thats why hes not on the list.
And treant doesnt have wave clear.
But I still agree
Ogre? Att speed, multicast stun,multicast eul, multicast midas
I can't believe AA is not only not in the top 3 but also not on the list at all, that hero is insane late. This better not be one of those top 10 engagement baits.
Agreed his aoe cold feet so op. Since you can literally spam that shit late game
FYI Shaman and Disruptor have permanent lock with core and talent.
A bit surprised that Enigma isn't on this list, though I suppose he's considered more Position 3/4 than Position 4/5.
Enigma is in the best offlane herores list.
No Silencerr ???
My boi speed I personally think jakiro is the best late game support
I mean the double burn and split pushing and lvl25 pure dmg he is just unstoppable at teamfights
Btw im just legend 6 lmao
Winter Wyvern?
enigma his on the offlane video but it's funny how He is base on pure dammage and % , he is one of only hero who can one shoot 5 heros and even more ,as a support it's big
Rubick is good when opponent have good spells to steal ..
Imo , rubick shouldn't be in this list coz it's highly situational pick
Where is dazzle??
I Ike ancient apparition.
Get the ice vortex CD reduction then aoe cold feed.
Just spam the skill and ez def
the best is lina support ✌️
Winter Wyvern! She can clear waves, and has a great scaling ult and heal!
But Wyvern midgame is the same as Wyvern Late game.
bane : 7.5 sec disable? ha i have 20 sec disable. tell your lol friends that too.
0:00 haven't watched the video... but if AA with lvl 25 aoe coldfeet is not mentioned, u guys know nothing about Dota.
My favourite hero
Speed Drinking game is taking places...its very good guys u can try it, Here are the ruleZzzz:
Whenever you hear Speed says the following:
1. Now (after presenting a hero) - 1 Shot
2. Now (in any other time) - 2 Shots
3. Not only that - 2 Shots
You can try it, but keep in mind...you will get wasted very quickly !!!
Im on 40 win streak shadow shaman.
Why no Auroth? :c
She has good talents, waveclear with splinter blast, a save for yourself or allies, highly mobile with flying movement (one of only three heros) and a bkb piercing stun and aoe disable that turns the enemy against one of theirs, using their farm against themselves and setting them up for your team.