If you want to test these items, you can hop into demo mode and spawn in all of the neutral items featured in this video. For example, if you want to try out Ex Machina, just type "-item ex_machina" in the chat and the item will appear in your inventory. Some items do not have the same name internally and in the game, so for example if you want to spawn in Tumbler's Toy, you need to type in "-item pogo_stick". You can find most of the internal names for items on the Dota 2 Liquipedia Wiki: liquipedia.net/dota2game/Cheats#Neutral_Items Shop items are a bit more difficult to test out, as they cannot be spawned in with the "-item" command. The only way I could find to do this was to create a custom game and then modify the "npc_items_custom" text file to include the removed items and then change the "IsObsolete" value to 0, then the items could be spawned in. If anyone knows a better way to spawn in shop items, let me know! Thanks for watching.
@@wordhippo9022 i think you can just open the console and type "map dota_xxx" (replace the xxx with whatever numbers, there should be a dropdown of the available maps)
Based on my observation on these, the part where the comparison for Wraith Pact (with/without) are not accurate, as we can see both Visage received same 504 damage. Perhaps should have substituted the item with another with the same stats? (+250 Health/+250 Mana )
Ring of Aquila + PMS (gone with Aquila mear the same patch that brought talent tree as a shop item) was a good start, o missed that a lot at that time ;-;
yeah, it was the time when u can win games solo, never mind about other lines, just do ur shit and win noobs, without nowadays unkillible supports and always thinking about ur pos 123 teammate feeding
I like how there were no charges so sometimes both the support and hard support bought one, but you cd still only use one. They were really expensive as well and getting gold was a lot harder for supports. Thank god i can now afford blink dagger before the game ends
Most of these, I never realized were gone. For the neutral items, I figured I just wasn't finding them. For the regular items, I figured the meta wasn't to build them anymore.
16:17 The Spell Prism wasn't always just an item with stats; it used to have an active ability that, when used, cast the same spell onto the nearest hero, similar to Grimstroke's ultimate. The spell needed to be non-ultimate and targeted. It worked best on Shadow Shaman and Bane, where you could cast multiple Shackles with stuns or two Nightmares on two opponents, effectively removing them from the game. Once it became clear how powerful this was, it was immediately reworked into the second-level Quickening Charm. To be honest, many items have changed so much that it's equivalent to their removal, especially Bloodstone, which has been radically changed four times. Tango, Quelling Blade, Iron Branch, and Battle Fury have also changed and can no longer destroy wards. Nullifier has undergone a radical change; it used to block the use of items and, together with Orchid, was practically the equivalent of Doom's ultimate. Shadow Amulet has also changed significantly; it used to grant infinite invisibility without a cooldown when used on yourself, similar to Templar Assassin's. Dust of Appearance has changed too; it used to not provide a true sight aura. Refresher Shard, which previously allowed resetting ability cooldowns after the regular Refresher Orb was used, has also been radically altered. Both Refresher and Shovel no longer recharge in the backpack, and the Shovel no longer digs up two Teleport Scrolls and an enemy Cobalt permanently, instead digging up a Water Rune from the river and a friendly Cobalt for one minute. Rod of Atos has also seen significant changes; it now has a projectile and doesn't slow movement, but increases accuracy against the target by 4 seconds within a 1200 radius when used. Tranquil Boots have also changed significantly; they no longer need to be activated to gain the healing salve effect. A bunch of items have lost their unique attack modifier property, which previously prevented them from being used together. Mask of Madness previously did not silence the user but only increased incoming damage. Solar Crest was an upgrade of Medallion of Courage and reduced armor on enemies; by the way, Medallion of Courage wasn't mentioned in the video, but Rapier used to give True Strike, and Monkey King Bar provided mini-bashes. Ethereal Blade used to give agility, and Abyssal Blade teleported you to the opponent you stunned. Mind Breaker used to be similar to Diffusal Blade, but it also granted true mana vampirism, which restored mana.
just remember how hilarious was the old time when delivering item to player, and then another player sabotage the courier to pick their item back in the base 🤣
Yeah, every game needs a courier in DotA so is unevitable to have it, but it opened the choice for every toxic player to ruin a game not just by giving free kills but buying 10 couriers wich means 2000 gold to enemies every 2 or 3 minutes Todays courier by default and independent for every player is by far better
@@cs2banana haha. back in the day where DOTA 2 is not yet a Source 2. and the rank doesn't have medals we don't have a courier at the beginning of the match your pos 5 is the one who buys it, and everyone must share a single courier. the best part here is you must upgrade the courier buy buying a recipe. 1 courier and 5 players remember the girl and 5 B just like that. on a solo pub also no rank roles.
I can see why many items gets removed. Especially 2019 ones. That items made me quit dota for couple month because some items are so op they were deciding the winning team. Plus You could use multiple Neutral items and at first there were no limit to drop if it was in right time frame. Was so annoying.
As a offlaner, wraith pact was by far the best item ever. The team just snow balls and take objectives easily. Who knew an aura that would reduce all source of damage was gonna broken. They patched it to be physical damage only and it still too strong.
Stuff like Chipped Vest was absolutely insane, you could just get owned as AM on lane but get it and safely farm your battlefury in jungle lol. Honestly some of these items were ridiculously powerful, like free mini forcestaff on tier 1 is just hell to balance especially since it's random whether you get the item you want or not
They need to bring bring back niche items like necronomicon. I enjoy creative ways to play dota, and necronomicon is a good example of a niche item. It doesnt necessarily buff your hero, but it can have great impact team wise. It provide good stats too for offlane/supp. This is also why enjoy wraithpact when it came out (aside being upgrade for vlads. BTW valve should make another upgrade for vlads)
Weird that the Trident never got a chance as a shop item. They just kinda expected someone on your team to have Sange, Yasha, and Kaya when Tier 5s dropped.
11:30 anyone remember this item used to apply your attack to dmg to its target instead of 40dmg? People would abuse that item on shaker before change. Good old days😢
Can't believe that repair kit existed some time in Dota 2 history. Because maybe with some rebalance it will be very refreshing and indespanable item nowadays
I wish they bring back Trident as a regular item like when you bought the three sword it'll automatically build into it or just make it a recipe. I see its resemblance to HoN's Dawnbringer, three swords combine as one that is really sick!
having to share courier was a nightmare. Pos 1 would have items half way down lane and mid laner would swipe delivery and have his items delivered first
I miss repair kit so much. Our 5 man stack was horrible at everything but highground defense so repair kit was the one saving grace that helped us scrap some wins 😂
Damn the nostalgic stout shield :' ( Takes me back to a simpler time haha. Double diffusal blade, supports actually having to buy a courier and upgrade it!! I really miss that. You got to show off your couriers. Now it's just lame tbh. Necronomicon!!
i really wish necronomicon came back. It was such a nice item for a jungler and pusher archetype to have. Now, this specific niche is almost absent in this game
Haha. Best line back then is reused. Also the tag of war between who will used the cour. Not to mention blamed the supports why the map is dark. While the items are in base not to mention. It’s already 10mins why not upgrade the cour. Pos 5 proceeds to feed the cour and sell all items and feed. Good old times
Changes with couriers was the best thing they ever made. I still feel fire in my ass after i remember how my mider and carry were fighting over courier in one game
Those were the good old days! Spell prism 18% cd reduction and Octarine core 25% CD. Ogre's Fireblast cd would decrease from 6s down to 3.4s. Used to spam both fireblasts on enemies. 😂
If you want to test these items, you can hop into demo mode and spawn in all of the neutral items featured in this video. For example, if you want to try out Ex Machina, just type
"-item ex_machina" in the chat and the item will appear in your inventory. Some items do not have the same name internally and in the game, so for example if you want to spawn in Tumbler's Toy, you need to type in "-item pogo_stick". You can find most of the internal names for items on the Dota 2 Liquipedia Wiki: liquipedia.net/dota2game/Cheats#Neutral_Items
Shop items are a bit more difficult to test out, as they cannot be spawned in with the "-item" command. The only way I could find to do this was to create a custom game and then modify the "npc_items_custom" text file to include the removed items and then change the "IsObsolete" value to 0, then the items could be spawned in. If anyone knows a better way to spawn in shop items, let me know!
Thanks for watching.
I think tome of wisdom will be good if drop from ROSHAN
@@wordhippo9022 i think you can just open the console and type "map dota_xxx" (replace the xxx with whatever numbers, there should be a dropdown of the available maps)
Based on my observation on these, the part where the comparison for Wraith Pact (with/without) are not accurate, as we can see both Visage received same 504 damage.
Perhaps should have substituted the item with another with the same stats? (+250 Health/+250 Mana )
@wordhippo9022 you can select older versions by opening the console, typing "map dota_" then the patch number following the underscore.
Man tumbler toys was such a goat T1 neutral, next to keen optic and chipped vest.
had a lot of outplay moments with that shit, it's a little bit boring now without it
looks like a fellow support player
and spider legs
Ah yes chipped vest,an free item that counter wr to the late game
tumbler toy was so good on legion
the quality of this video is insane, the details and simplicity of it is js nice
Not to mention, the hero choices depending on which item suits it best!
I miss tome of knowledge and spider leg so much
SPider leg saved my life every damn time.
Now they made ToK manual
Damn sup don't buy courier back then
Tome of knowledge was good but my fucking carries always buys it
It's funny that people fought for tome of knowledge, but forgot to take exp run that gives you the same for free
Spider legs one of the best neutral items
interesting enough though Ring of Aquila was not always a neutral item. It was a shop item before that
it was like an obligatory back then for carry to build ring of aquila iirc
Ring of Aquila + PMS (gone with Aquila mear the same patch that brought talent tree as a shop item) was a good start, o missed that a lot at that time ;-;
@xaviernovaldo192 was doing the same at 700mmr and would do the same now at 4k😂
yeah, it was the time when u can win games solo, never mind about other lines, just do ur shit and win noobs, without nowadays unkillible supports and always thinking about ur pos 123 teammate feeding
it has beeen 20 years, may soooon, back in the days.......
Having to buy a courier for your team was a menace, let alone sharing a courier with your team.
I like how there were no charges so sometimes both the support and hard support bought one, but you cd still only use one. They were really expensive as well and getting gold was a lot harder for supports. Thank god i can now afford blink dagger before the game ends
Lol and you're not allowed to use courier because mid waiting for bottle or if it gets sniped whoever used it had to buy it lmao
It’s the ultimate grief when no one buys the courier. The carry buy it eventually but someone have to go base to activate it
That pfp got me for a sec
because you are a none white
RIP poorman's shield and the old TRanquil boots. they were my favorite itens.
too op for mk atm imo, starting game level 1 with jingu+poorman's shield+tango/faerie fire can manfight every hero
@@dedykurniawan354 every melee hero has poorman shield now
@@zaykaed Ithink you mistaken stout shield with pms. Pms is ridiculously op on early game. As support player i'm glad that sh^t removed
Most of these, I never realized were gone. For the neutral items, I figured I just wasn't finding them. For the regular items, I figured the meta wasn't to build them anymore.
Did poor man's shield and ring of aquila got removed twiced from the game lol
Not twice but 3 times, ring was added back 2 timea
16:17 The Spell Prism wasn't always just an item with stats; it used to have an active ability that, when used, cast the same spell onto the nearest hero, similar to Grimstroke's ultimate. The spell needed to be non-ultimate and targeted. It worked best on Shadow Shaman and Bane, where you could cast multiple Shackles with stuns or two Nightmares on two opponents, effectively removing them from the game. Once it became clear how powerful this was, it was immediately reworked into the second-level Quickening Charm. To be honest, many items have changed so much that it's equivalent to their removal, especially Bloodstone, which has been radically changed four times. Tango, Quelling Blade, Iron Branch, and Battle Fury have also changed and can no longer destroy wards. Nullifier has undergone a radical change; it used to block the use of items and, together with Orchid, was practically the equivalent of Doom's ultimate. Shadow Amulet has also changed significantly; it used to grant infinite invisibility without a cooldown when used on yourself, similar to Templar Assassin's. Dust of Appearance has changed too; it used to not provide a true sight aura. Refresher Shard, which previously allowed resetting ability cooldowns after the regular Refresher Orb was used, has also been radically altered. Both Refresher and Shovel no longer recharge in the backpack, and the Shovel no longer digs up two Teleport Scrolls and an enemy Cobalt permanently, instead digging up a Water Rune from the river and a friendly Cobalt for one minute. Rod of Atos has also seen significant changes; it now has a projectile and doesn't slow movement, but increases accuracy against the target by 4 seconds within a 1200 radius when used. Tranquil Boots have also changed significantly; they no longer need to be activated to gain the healing salve effect. A bunch of items have lost their unique attack modifier property, which previously prevented them from being used together. Mask of Madness previously did not silence the user but only increased incoming damage. Solar Crest was an upgrade of Medallion of Courage and reduced armor on enemies; by the way, Medallion of Courage wasn't mentioned in the video, but Rapier used to give True Strike, and Monkey King Bar provided mini-bashes. Ethereal Blade used to give agility, and Abyssal Blade teleported you to the opponent you stunned. Mind Breaker used to be similar to Diffusal Blade, but it also granted true mana vampirism, which restored mana.
Да, Янур, ты вообще олд-фаг доты
The MKB mini bash was too op especially with someone like troll or any high attk speed hero because you basically get permabashed
You could publish that as a book. 😂
6:04 There is Medallion of Courage mentioned.
I remember Sange also used to Maim enemies, making Sange and Tasha an op chasing item
just remember how hilarious was the old time when delivering item to player, and then another player sabotage the courier to pick their item back in the base 🤣
Good old times
Poor Courier had to do too much back then. And when players argued, the courier was moved back and forth, or moved to enemy to kill. 😂😂
it was possible to control another players couriers?
@@cs2banana it's global share, one for all..
@@cs2banana there used to be only one courier for the whole team back then.
i still remember the time we have to buy courier and share it to all out teammates
the ultimate grief is your teammate feeds the courier
@@allanyang21 yeah buy unlimited courier and feed the teammates.
oh my beloved double stout shield then proxy creep in backline using axe
Its been a cancer since dota 1 days lol
Good old days
First item i ever bought back in 2008 😮
8:31 Something about watching Brew's mana bar just disappear is hilarious to me
now that's not enough for do his power :((((
if this item return, razor is gonna op as fuck with bloodstone build
@@Loongguy XD glad someone remembers the meme
best item that causes toxicity and fight amongst teammates 15:04
Yeah, every game needs a courier in DotA so is unevitable to have it, but it opened the choice for every toxic player to ruin a game not just by giving free kills but buying 10 couriers wich means 2000 gold to enemies every 2 or 3 minutes
Todays courier by default and independent for every player is by far better
why?
@@cs2banana haha. back in the day where DOTA 2 is not yet a Source 2. and the rank doesn't have medals we don't have a courier at the beginning of the match your pos 5 is the one who buys it, and everyone must share a single courier. the best part here is you must upgrade the courier buy buying a recipe. 1 courier and 5 players remember the girl and 5 B just like that. on a solo pub also no rank roles.
Tome of Knowledge spawn on 10:00
Support added to buying list
10:00 and bought by Midlaner
Support drop all item and spam A
Repair Kit and Treant were such a pain in late game, just like pusher heroes with Necronomicon 3.
I was a N. Prophet + Necro 3 one trick for a bit with good success because of how ridiculously good it was lol
I would rush Necro 3 on Techies for counterwarding
@@detCapimagine one tricking in DOTA, lmao
Aquila, quickening charm, titan sliver, good old days
titan sliver was so balanced. I wonder why they removed it
Status resist is imba@@kormankongther8609
@@kormankongther8609right? It’s was probably the most balanced neutral that came out
I can see why many items gets removed. Especially 2019 ones. That items made me quit dota for couple month because some items are so op they were deciding the winning team. Plus You could use multiple Neutral items and at first there were no limit to drop if it was in right time frame. Was so annoying.
wraith pact is the most op item for team fight. i remember buying this item multiple time to comeback after bad game.
bro visage was so strong with it
As a offlaner, wraith pact was by far the best item ever. The team just snow balls and take objectives easily. Who knew an aura that would reduce all source of damage was gonna broken. They patched it to be physical damage only and it still too strong.
When it came out i read the patch and thought immediately that’s its going to be broken so i abused it during my ranked games.
I had no idea Repair Kit's numbers were this broken holy crap and tier 3 at that!
Bring back Poor man's shield
Stuff like Chipped Vest was absolutely insane, you could just get owned as AM on lane but get it and safely farm your battlefury in jungle lol. Honestly some of these items were ridiculously powerful, like free mini forcestaff on tier 1 is just hell to balance especially since it's random whether you get the item you want or not
To be fair at that time only 1 same item could be on the same team. it was much harder for anyone to get anything reliably.
I still remember Broodmother with Spider Legs pure Australian nightmare
They need to bring bring back niche items like necronomicon. I enjoy creative ways to play dota, and necronomicon is a good example of a niche item. It doesnt necessarily buff your hero, but it can have great impact team wise. It provide good stats too for offlane/supp. This is also why enjoy wraithpact when it came out (aside being upgrade for vlads. BTW valve should make another upgrade for vlads)
It was very useful for the vision
Man this really felt like funeral
Dude I just wanna say. You make amazing content, just wanted to remind you of that
Your editing and presentation is amazing! Great work as always.
As an offlane player. Wraith pack and necronomicon was my favourite items.
Weird that the Trident never got a chance as a shop item. They just kinda expected someone on your team to have Sange, Yasha, and Kaya when Tier 5s dropped.
11:30 anyone remember this item used to apply your attack to dmg to its target instead of 40dmg? People would abuse that item on shaker before change. Good old days😢
ohh it was op. Even on Tiny it hurt a lot.
@@wythaaof6650 yeah they fixed it after a week or smth after release
Necronomicon was a classic going all the way back to Dota 1 R.I.P 😭 🧙♂️
Can't believe that repair kit existed some time in Dota 2 history.
Because maybe with some rebalance it will be very refreshing and indespanable item nowadays
Oh lord I remember sharing a courier, getting it killed was like being in the Stone Age. Repair kit was overpowered too like damn
Back then everyone was fighting for one Courier
Ah the Pain
😂 sometimes i had to walk to the base because 3 person fighting for a courier.
I appreciate the care you put into this video
4:54 Tome of Aghanim “Removed 7.32a”.
This item was removed in 7.23a. 7.32a wasn’t in a game at all.
I remember when me and my friend both playing supports used to try and spam buy tome but it always ended up in the carrys inventory
I never forget martyr plate with facet enigma, and illusion cape in PL
I wish they bring back Trident as a regular item like when you bought the three sword it'll automatically build into it or just make it a recipe.
I see its resemblance to HoN's Dawnbringer, three swords combine as one that is really sick!
Chipped vest was windranger's and troll's worst early game nightmare lol
Centaur with Chipped vest in early game is pretty untouchable 😂
from which pack is the beautiful music at 3:00 from?
I'd like to know as well
TI5 Music Pack
I remember if you had Woodland Striders on Timbersaw, as soon as you planted trees, he would scream for his life lmao!
keen optic is the GOAT for pos 5
Necronomicon brings back memories, i rmb building necro on sniper when he had 25% cd talent at level10, basically perma "gem"
Miss the old items, especially the Leveller since its my go to tier 4 item
Diffusal blade was really good back then you can use it to remove debuff like dust, slows, dps damages
spider legs best op neutral of all time
having to share courier was a nightmare. Pos 1 would have items half way down lane and mid laner would swipe delivery and have his items delivered first
6:38 this was sooo good on mid pa back in the day, 6 agi and damage block to get fast t1's
With Necronomicon, you can practically dual laning. Miss that item so much
Wraith Pact was a very strong item on Visage, it's a shame it was removed
I remembered playing doom with spell prism, octarine core, and the ancient creep with cooldown reduction. Doom every minute lol!
The stout shield stacked, and i think knowledge of this removed it. People started buying double shields early game and laning was so much easier
Bro the days where someone had to buy and upgrade courier was some of the most brutal days ever. Not to mention we had to share it😭😭
I miss repair kit so much. Our 5 man stack was horrible at everything but highground defense so repair kit was the one saving grace that helped us scrap some wins 😂
Tumbler's toy, Prince's knife, IMP Claw were some very useful items. Balista in Particular.
Ballista drow was way to based 👍
Necronomicon is like, the most OP thing ever, to me.
i remember most of these items, it feels like i played with it yesterday
Witless Shako: "Not enough for do my power."
remember when everyone on a team had to share 1 courier, what a strange time to be alive
Damn the nostalgic stout shield :' (
Takes me back to a simpler time haha. Double diffusal blade, supports actually having to buy a courier and upgrade it!! I really miss that. You got to show off your couriers. Now it's just lame tbh.
Necronomicon!!
Miss old courir, how people don’t want to share the courir and the courir just stuck in the middle of delivery for whole 2 mins lol
I miss necronomicon 😢
Necro build on arc and beast master
Spider legs is the best when it comes to initiation. Badly miss it now.
Damn,i have been playing dota in intervals where i didnt even know these items existed in the first place,only finding out about them cuz of youtube
Spider leg was one of the most broken items in dota 2 imo. It was so strong
i really wish necronomicon came back. It was such a nice item for a jungler and pusher archetype to have. Now, this specific niche is almost absent in this game
Rushing linkens on morph with possessed mask was a wet dream😅
aahh i remember i used to always pick ocean heart 11:57 for my tier 1 neutral item ☹️ good times
Repair kit was so funny, especially when they BUFFED it to give the tower multishot too. Crazy times
Old flicker was top tier. Had so much fun with TA
May I ask you, how did you get access to this items to showcase? Do you have old versions of Dota 2 on your computer?
For me the clumsy net was a win win for my MMR.
I picked spectre back then and the clumsy net increased my win rate at a steady rate.
15:04 this reminds me when the time whole team shares one courier...
Haha. Best line back then is reused. Also the tag of war between who will used the cour. Not to mention blamed the supports why the map is dark. While the items are in base not to mention. It’s already 10mins why not upgrade the cour. Pos 5 proceeds to feed the cour and sell all items and feed. Good old times
@@hobbyman47 lol "tag of war" that's precisely described
As a Centaur and Axe Enjoyer I miss chipped vest.
I miss poor man's shield. Was a great item on melee agi carries.
man, I remember back in the day when I always get the most cancerous line up and we had no courier cause everyone was carry
man still wished they didnt remove spell prism
Oy where is the helmet, it was the only lifesteal item for ranged heroes since vlad didnt use to give them ls
Wait the animal courier was removed??? Then what happend to custom animal courier in the game specially the valuable ones
They're all still in there you just have your own courier rather than everyone sharing one.
Necronomicon and PMS. The true nightmare for supports
dota 1 aegis you could buy and had 3 charges and would respawn you instantly at fountain
Ah the good old tiny carry with the leveller. Pair with IO and you can't catch a break
I still remember how traumatic Medusa is once she got that Ballista.
Wraith Pact was all damage. it was only made physical in the patch before its removal
Changes with couriers was the best thing they ever made. I still feel fire in my ass after i remember how my mider and carry were fighting over courier in one game
Thanks, now I know what is a Necronomicon that the Book of the Dead mentions
Why did they remove necronomicon?
its op for pushing, it a free gem that doesnt drop, it has purge and deals fuckton of damage
imagine its price for its usability. way too op
@@kentpachi143and imagine beastmaster and lycan still can use it in the new patch .
Not remove, but adjusted and put it in neutral slot
repair kit was my most favourite neutral item
Those were the good old days!
Spell prism 18% cd reduction and Octarine core 25% CD.
Ogre's Fireblast cd would decrease from 6s down to 3.4s.
Used to spam both fireblasts on enemies. 😂
And using Doom to consume the ancient creep with CD reduction was all the more op for him.
The Necronomicon, old Techies' worst nightmare. Whole team builds it and Techies is no longer enjoying the game
New players would have no idea how OP the original Flicker was
Pre 7.35 was so sick 🔥🔥🔥
Ballista on Sniper/Medu/Drow was such a pain experience for me. If you don’t have at least Spec on your team, you’re basically f*cked
ah the good old wraith pact tinker ward meta. lovely
05:21 The best start game,item ever i always miss about tha
Necronomicon with aura stacking wouldve been a nightmare to fight against
flicker was such an annoying one. Such a relief they got rid of it 😅
Spell prism, and Trident should be in the game. The Leveller too.
Imp claw is powerful for bounty hunter's jinada