Little Dark Age - Muay Boran
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ต.ค. 2022
- #bringbackmuayboranfights
A video that follows this "Little Dark Age" trend to show some old Muay Boran pictures and videos, hoping one day to be able to compete in official Muay Boran fights as Thais did a century ago.
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Modern Muay Boran, or Muay Nam, is the style I'm currently developing. It was born by applying the principles of Jeet Kune Do to a mix of many Muay Boran styles, which have been reformed and refined in a modern and practical way, with the influence of many combat sports and martial arts from all around the world (Old British Bare Knuckle Boxing, Lethwei, Taekwondo, Boxing, Sanda, MMA, various ancient and contemporary Wrestling styles).
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Timecodes
0:00 - Introduction
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Music:
MGMT - Little Dark Age (Prødigy Remix) - กีฬา
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I can't stand MMA and Boxing trash talk. I want to watch the fights, not the "your wife is hot" like man it's a playground in there. I enjoyed the build up to Charles vs Islam because they were humble.
Unfortunately they do need to sell the fight, but most don't have the mic skill and charisma to do it without ended up sounding like embarrassing middle schooler beef
Unfortunately this shit brings viewers. It's largely how american "wrestling" became what it is now, the storytelling and other nonsense. And they're not exactly scraping for money
As to humility it's actually not a good trait for a fighter generally.
lol "your wife is hot" 💀
Just don’t watch ufc lmao
Get off of UFC and start watching ONE then. They’re quiet outside the octagon over there but live dogs inside.
Saenchai himself said that his style that he learnt from his kru consists of wide variety of techniques from may boran and that he doesn't use them a whole lot in his fights now because modern muaythai has changed a lot due to betting and need to see lot more knockouts than refined , high level evasion techniques . That's also the reason why less and less clinch work is being seen in muay fights these days
Love Muay boran from 🇵🇭
anong muay boran style mo pri
@@CVTMYV3INS Muay chaiya Muay korat
@@CVTMYV3INS ikaw
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I just came back from muay thai training with pain in my legs and injuries to my mouth and nose. This video is a bit like training, I can almost feel the pain of every kick or elbow in my own body, but I still have a stupid smile on my face.
Bro you don't even know how i needed that
I was searching traditionnal Muay Thai content on TH-cam but didnt find anything really interesting, and then this video came in my recommandations, i'm so happy to finally find out something like this
please continue what you are doing, we are not a lot but we truly love this, this cuck era of martial arts with gloves, protect shins and stuff, what we need is neither the extremely brutal MMA neither the soft taekwondo with all that protection, what we need is Muay Boran, a martial art based on respect, discipline, pain and hard work
How about we let people do what they want? Some people don't like violence and choose to do Taekwondo, others may love hitting for real and choose to do MMA, some people like a blend and choose to do Muay boran, let everyone choose what they want to do.
@@fitnessabdul6811 nice, but the real question is who asked
@@fitnessabdul6811 Violence is in our nature and we should embrace it, and am I saying that you should be violent all the time? No! I’m saying that martial arts should be deadly, practical, and violent. If you have that, it is your responsibility to use it for unnecessary violence(which is your choice not the martial arts itself) or for self defense. I’d rather be a person that learns a martial art that is practical, deadly, and violent which is good for self defense, all you have to do is not have any needless violence only use it for self defense. I’d rather have that than learning watered down, comfortable martial arts that put a false sense of security within you thinking you can fight in a real street fight, it’s stupid. Even boxing today is watered down to only punching, if you look up boxing’s early forms, it was meant for self defense, boxers in the past actually know how to punch,elbow, knee, and wrestle, not only that the boxing in 1700s consists of rounds where they use swords, cudgels, and quarter staff. Now that’s a real practical and deadly martial art. Not bouncing around like tkd fighting for points.
@@ferumcastrum4097 You don't realize it, but essentially what you're doing is imposing what you want martial arts to be like as what all martial should be. Why would we want to narrow all martial arts down to one set of principles instead of having people choose for themselves? Martial arts was never only meant for self defense, that's something you made up and want it to be like, there are hundreds of martial arts made purely for hurting others, or for sport, or for meditation and more. By condensing all these martial all to a means of self defense would require you to ruin all these martial arts. In order to preserve the true nature of all these martial arts, and let them progress, let people choose how they want them to be because if you restrict them to what is " practical, deadly, and violent" then you remove their meaning and prevent them from progressing further. "Even boxing today is watered down to only punching, if you look up boxing’s early forms, it was meant for self defense", that's simply not true, Boxing was created in the BC era and was made purely for hurting others and sport, also who cares if it changed from kicks, knees and elbows? There are hundreds of martial arts that teach those too like Muay Thai, what makes boxing different is that you can only punch which leads to them having the best punches, sometimes your version of "watering down" actually causes the martial art to be better.
@BoulderBro999 why? That’s great, but 90 percent of people that learn taekwondo would never be able to apply it in an actual fight so I used taekwondo as an example
It's so fascinating to see how a lot of striking sports/bareknuckle combat sports had an excellent blend of grappling (no duh, shit hurts when you don't have gloves and hit a bone) landing them closer to modern day dirty boxing and such
I also find it cool how they seem to have very similar stances (at least with their hand placement)
Love it 💪🏽🥊
You have spoken often (and provided many superb examples of) the comprehensive range of techniques that can be found within Boran styles.
I understand that Muay Nam is a work in progress, and might never stop evolving, but I was wondering if your goal is to establish a curriculum (even if it is subject to frequent change), and if ultimately the entire course (locks, chokes, breaks, throws, ground fighting, etc) will be available online?
Yes, I'm working on that! The curriculum evolved a lot in the last months, The Updated Footwork and Strikes are coming soon. I haven't posted anything about the Wrestling repertoire yet, but I'm working on it, especially through practice, it takes some time to test everything. I'm aiming to share the entire repertoire and every update 🙏
Totally awesome!
Looking forward to it :)
@@patgol2 Thank you for your support! 🙏
Amazing! The scrawls are really similar to the ones of the 'Bubishi'
Yes, Indeed! They are from 1830
After practicing Muay Boran for around 3 years by myself, along with your videos as my main source of material, I can say without any doubt that Muay Boran is the martial art I was looking for, so I can only thank you fully for your work, thank you so much Gaawut. 🙏
I'm glad my videos helped you, this is the main reason why I decided to open the channel. I'll keep producing content 🙏
🙏🏻🧡🚩Highly Effective 💪🏻🔥
I love Muay Thai.
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Muay Boran is the predecessor of its sport versions Muay Thai and Lethwei.
Muay Boran allows strikes to the vital areas like the throat, groin, eyes etc... It's like an ancient and refined Krav Maga.
Muay Boran is art to kill
#bringbackmuayboranfights !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Man your work is the foundation for that to happen! 👏👏👏
I'd love to hear your thoughts on krabi krabong since usually is presented as having the same origin and development as boran!
I hope so, together we can make that happen!
I'm not into Krabi Krabong, but I know that there are various schools, and seems like some train purely for exhibitions with constant and predictable patterns, while others train for a real weapons fight and add footwork, changes of level, feints, and more.
Most of the bare-handed defenses against weapons that I saw in Krabi Krabong do not work, they are unrealistic.
It's interesting however how Muay Boran can translate into KK and vice-versa. For example, Thaiyuth, a Muay Boran style, uses the three-point stance of the Sri Trairat Sword School.
Many Muay Boran techniques, stances, and exercises can be translated into Krabi Krabong.
For the rest, you should look for a sword expert to have more precise information on the technical side of the art.
As a last note, I think that part of Krabi Krabong was lost over time as happened with Muay Boran.
@@GaawutProductions You never dissapoint sir!
After beeing asked for 5th time if we were training krabi krabong, decided to get a look at it, and the first thing that took my attention was the fact that most of the footwork and guards with short spear / staff where a perfect match with some material I've seen in your channel.
Probably hinting to an antecesor method encompassing weapons and bare hand training.
Much alike to what happen with silambam / adi murai (or not, just a guess I don´t really know!)
Thank you again, you gave me a lot of hints for further investigation!!!
BTW in latin america muay kard chuek is getting more and more common, I trully believe it's the previous step for boran to come back!
It's simply beautiful
Love it
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BROOOOO LETS GOOOO FINALLY MY ART IS GETTING KNOWED
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I can't imagine what if a true muay boran master doing a combat In mma with their skills, it would be very brutal, maybe even more brutal than muaythai
Muay Boran is *real* Muay Thai -the way it's supposed to be. I rememeber when I started boxing fifteen years back, all the acrobatic moves that are considered to be part of the Muay Boran-arsenal mesmerised me, and was actually a huge reason to why I started boxing - I wanted to be able to do the same moves, lol 🤣
But who can blame 15yo me? All these climbing and flying moves, as well as the flip-kicks are among the most beautiful strikes in all of combat sports!
The second clip is some Undisputed boyka Movie sh*t 💀
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Every martial art should be respected
Balls wrecking knee hits.
This is the only reason im proud of having thai in my blood
" Wake up babe, GaawutProduction just uploaded "
You did it again boss!😆👍
It's so funny that you put Pahu[shit]yuth in the beginning of the video
We're all hoping for Muay Boran to be better, Keep it up boss!🙏
Thank you, Yes! 🙏🔥
I've figured out that their school would have been the perfect example for the decline of Muay Boran, they had to be in the first part of the video to make a big contrast with the second part 😂
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Dude I gotta be honest I like muay boran more than mid thai
Muay Boran in original sense has some similarities with Okinawan traditional karate in terms of purposes.
In my utmost humble opinion.
“ Wisdom equates to correct comprehended knowledge appropriately applied”
Learning the all encompassing why’s as well as comprehending what is, and what is not, is the key difference of becoming truly capable. Not mending nor structure ones fighting capabilities upon genetic outliers/ exceptional feats of individuality or the minority that can excel within the dogma:
“ Everything works once” The acrobatics even though flamboyant, can/ might have their place as a part of ones athletic conditioning/ and or as a tool to apply ie “Expect the unexpected approach” As it is indeed the strikes we do not see that puts us down for the count, but in all honesty, how likely is it that such a technique can be deemed functional( If that is the case of ones desire to become functional in combat)And our time is insurmountably invaluable, it is indeed the commodity of the essence of life itself, so one has to prioritize wisely, which techniques are more beneficial? Which techniques are deemed as fundamentals, and which can be deemed as supplemental? Then one needs to reassess and adjust honestly and conclude non partially.
This fallacy and flawed approach have caught the minds of many a traditional system, and we all are acquainted with them and equally we all share opinions based upon the observations that we’ve done.
Example, few are aware that most Chinese systems are wrestling based, but many fake masters due to their inept ability to teach, lack of fight experience/ faulty training methods, deludes themselves with arrogant pride, as they take all the wrestling based techniques and apply them as strikes, which is an fallacy of epic proportions, then they apply said faulty training methods identical in the video depicted above, and thus the entire art is made into a laughing stock for the entire world to see, and just by mentioning that one has interest in said art/s is equally synonymously with the phrase :
“ I practice X martial art which means I do not know how to fight” Which is indeed a shame, but is indeed an completely understandable conclusion to make, when one assesses the material within a critical mindset.
This is what I have come to immensely appreciate via channels such as yours, as you and likeminded martial artist’s presents the disillusioned approach to functional combat systems, as the more realistic ones approach becomes, the more structured and streamlined it becomes, and one will be able to acquire confirmations based upon historical facts that transcends Millennia, found within each respective cultural groups as well as continents, as becoming truly functional transcends ethnicity, because it unifies warriors despite of diversity, and its applicability shows its echos throughout history.
Always an joy to be able to observe and learn with fellow peers as yourself.
Khap Khon khap 🙏🏻❤️.
Sincere regards.
Fellow Martial Artist.
Tom Framnes.
Norway.
Truly wise words that make us reflect. Thank you for this beautiful comment, it's always a pleasure 🙏
Desde que vi por primera vez me enamoré del arte pero no puedo practicarla en mi país porque no hay escuelas y a nadie qud conozco le gusta pero yo estoy completamente encantado con este arte
For those who cannot access a master, I teach it on my TH-cam channel and I have an online course and books available 🙏
Im watching to this dialy... literally.
Actually Muay Thai in the past (Muay Boran = Ancient Muay Thai) isn’t just sport but It is weapon to destroy enemy in war
0:40 a kick similar to the rolling thunder, but except you kick with your lead leg instead of back leg, resulting in a more abrupt but still powerful kick.
I think this is just a spinning back/hook
Muay thai,this is the one of the most brutal demage fight style.
Muaythai is a sport version of MuayThai Boran which has lock,break,throw technique more suitable for MMA i.e.
-in Muaythai when you cach a leg you just punch and release but in Muaythai Boran you knee or elbow to their knee cap or pull them down to leg lock and twist their ankle off.
-Muaythai use a boxing glove🥊so you can't catch enemy's arm but in Muaythai Boran when you catch it you break them with knee or elbow to the joint or you pull them into your elbow like stabbing dagger the rib.
-Many Muaythai Boran technique is too brutal even for self defence so if it's use in MMA there can be permanent injury. Unlike BJJ locking technique which use time Muaythai Boran is instant cuz it develop and use to kill in real war (Lack of steel for sword and spear so using hemp rope to reinforce knuckle and arm instead)
Sure, there are Joint-Breaking techniques but you don't have to use them. They weren't used in Muay Boran competitions, otherwise Muay Thai would not have survived till our days, soldiers and fighters would have life-long injuries.
0:21 la guardia del maestro
What Will be the Next video about? Are you still planning on to make the Kenichi Muay Boran reaction?
A man of culture I see
There is a lot that I want to do. I really need to figure out how to manage my time to produce constant quality content. Anyway, yes, I will do the Kenichi video but I guess reaction is not the right definition since I've already checked out all the techniques, it will be more of a breakdown 🙏
@@GaawutProductions Ah, okay
I see video, photos, and illustrations that look like they could be as old as 1920. What's the provenance that the illustrations, photos, and videos are that old or older? Also, what sources are you finding that have writings of Muay Thai/Muay Boran that are older than 1920?
The oldest picture, the one with the fighters on guard without gloves and a crow of fighters was taken by John Thomson and was in his Album dated 1865-66, kept as image No. 5 in box 4, among ten boxes totaling a collection of 97 images. I think the one with a fighter touching the leg of another is from the same album. The one with the fight in front of the throne is from 1909.
For the rest, it's hard to have more information on the other pictures.
The video is from a documentary from 1963 and the Korat Boxer is Kru Bua Wat Im the legendary grandmaster of the style.
There are few writings on Muay Boran older than 1920 but have never been translated. The oldest Muay Boran manuscript ever found is the one you can see in the video, the one with black paper, it is from 1830.
@@GaawutProductions great answer!
With the many dubious claims from Thailand and internationally of presenting "authentic" (and I'd suppose they mean to say their curriculum is unaltered ?) Muay Boran, it's paramount to establish the truth about such claims. Thanks for the information!
@@themaverickblackbelt8054 Yeah I feel you, it's hard to reconstruct the history of Muay Boran, plus many masters give their ideas and not objective answers. For these reasons, I try to reconstruct the history and features with research on historical claims and documents more than with hearsay 🙏
Muay boran looks amazing. Does it still being practiced in Thailand ?
Yes! But there are no competitions
@@GaawutProductions How much is it still being practised? Is it easy to find Muay Boran? Or is it something you have to look for? Also, what would the learning environment look like?
@@adrianmcleod3067 It's not as popular as Muay Thai, it's more of a niche but there are still a lot of practitioners, it depends on the style though. The training environment changes from master to master but it is pleasant for sure, although I don't find the training methods used to be effective to develop a competent Muay Boran fighter in the long run, but not every master is the same.
It is practiced heavily but u need to understand muay boran is a modern creation and just physical education. This is different from the old regional systems which do still exist and are the harder to find niche systems gaawut mentioned but muay boran itself is modern it is not old nor is it for fighting. It is based on fighting movements and to preserve the history but it is not old and it is not fight effective it is missing its soul
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They may be skinny but they're tough.
One question, if you try to organize Muay Boran competition in Thailand, would it be considered offensive by Thais?
Since it would be against instructions of Prajadhipok, who is probably still highly respected in Thailand.
I don't think so, King Rama VII’s government passed a gloves-only law in 1928, and the rest of the evolution of Muay Thai didn't come from any royal law.
Nowadays there are Kard Chuek Muay Thai fights, and even MMA fights in which Muay Chaiya practitioners participated, plus Thais fight barehanded at the border with Burma. I think it won't but you should ask Thais.
A Muay Boran competition can also be done with small MMA gloves and an appropriate ruleset.
@@GaawutProductions interesting, thanks for the answer.
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We're is Tony ja?
"Muay Boran" is not a martial arts name. There are many people who misunderstand.
Muay = name
Boran = old
The meaning of "Muay Boran" is the old martial art of the past.
Muay Boran is a term introduced by the Muay Chaiya Grandmaster Khet Sryiyapai to differentiate the recently born Muay Thai, the combat sport, from Thailand's ancient unharmed martial arts.
So yes, Muay Boran is not a martial art, it is an umbrella term enclosing different martial art styles from Thailand (Muay Korat, Muay Chaiya, Muay Thasao, Muay Lertrit, etc...)
As Thai “Boran” write as “โบราณ” translate to english mean “Ancient”. And there were many local master that have a bit different in specialize technic. Name of style are called by region of origin. In the ancient time they practice Muay as core before sword or other weapon training. They didn’t fight unarmed in regular but with weapon and skill in Muay will give you more chance to won your opponent and survived. Unlike European Ayuthaya era only have metal armor for high ranking noble and royal family.
I would love to see a real fight
Yeah, sadly there is still not an organization or real fights with a proper ruleset
Its just like pencak silat in Indonesia
Hi, have you ever used muay boran in street fight?
Hi, luckily I have not, I've always de-escalated or prevented 🙏
aight muay boran... morrowind.
0:47 movie?
Thong Dee Fun Khao (Thai: ทองดีฟันขาว)
We call it the art of 8 limbs
2 arms, 2 legs, 2 elbows and 2 kneecaps
@@jdnnddjd3948 Lol, art of 4 limbs 😅
@@user-zy3dh4cm5r fake thai
@@jdnnddjd3948 fake Thai?
9 limbs. Headbutts are used in boran
Lethwei enters chat*
Similar art but Lethwei doesn't have wrestling under the belt.
Is there such thing as a very aggressive and deadly offensive muay boran syle.
Every style can be aggressive and deadly, it's the fighter that chooses how to engage. Typically, in self-defense or military scenarios, you don't take the time to study the opponent's reactions like in a competition with rounds, you act explosive, fast, and aggressive. In Muay Boran I think that every style can do that effectively, but you would have to select the right techniques. The style IMBA Lert Rit, which I had the pleasure of studying extensively, has been developed exclusively for military purposes, the main strategy is Strike - Close the Distance - Throw - Finish. I think it resembles well what you are looking for, but again, every style like Muay Korat, Chaiya, and Thasao can do that after a proper selection of techniques and proper training.🙏
@@GaawutProductions have you every thought about taking your youtube channel to tiktok, in tiktok people tend to like fight alot and are not aware of muay boran so maybe they will actually like your account, it will also help grow your account
@@24kRa3d_- I posted 2 videos on it years ago, I don't like the platform so I will stick to youtube. But thank you very much for the advice 🙏
@@GaawutProductions what's the difference between muay boran clinch and takedowns and muay thai clinch and takedowns
@@24kRa3d_- Regarding the clinch, in Muay Boran it is similar to Greco-Roman wrestling, ideally, you want to use underhooks and overhooks and control the head to prevent headbutts. In Muay Thai's clinch fighters look to establish a double collar tie but in Muay Boran that position is not good due to headbutt and leg grabs, it is only used momentarily to snap down the opponent.
In this video, I explain the difference between throwing in MT and MB.
th-cam.com/video/pytPiqd5IOI/w-d-xo.html
martial arts isnt about tradition, just be the stronger one
edit: with all respect
What's the deference between Muay Thai and Muay boran?
Watch this video of mine on the topic: th-cam.com/video/pytPiqd5IOI/w-d-xo.html
Muay Thai is a sport with rules, Muay Boran(Muay Boran is a genetic term for dozens of old styles) has no rules and is the original non-sport kickboxing art.
I do believe in standard Muay Thai.
I watched the old school Muay Thai to be Muay Femur. Better than these Muay for show.
Can't compare with modern Muay Thai How can things that have been stopped in development compete with things that are constantly evolving?
Good observation, that's exactly why I've founded my style called Muay Nam, and refined the art to keep it alive and evolving.
Although, Muay Boran is so amazing that still does and incredible job at keeping up with other martial arts, but only if properly trained. Muay Thai fighters have weaknesses that can be exploited against Muay Boran fights, like lack of defense against leg grabs and headbutts.
Decent video aside from the fake ass pahuyuth guys in the beginning. U should remove them and repost it because they have no business being show along side great real masters like kru khetr and kru Bua 🙏
They are here because this "little dark age" format shows the contrast between the bad of the modern age in the first part of the video and the good of the old age in the second part. Pahuyuth is the most famous Thai McDojo, they are a good examples of what martial arts should not be
M. Boran and silat are full of unrealistic techniques (tiger egle horse...) need to put theme in preserve testing (H2H and weapons) no rules (only gears protection)
It's realistic when you know your timing when to use these move, it's not a game where you can throw it off like it's nothing
@@redbloody946 Sparring (including derty moves like harimau style) unlock the secret arts and become realistic
The only fighting styles in world that have a fucking backstory was, Capoeira, Muay thai and Kung Fu
The term " too dangerous for sparring" means the martial art doesn't work
In this case the martial art works, but this mindset of "too dangerous to be used" that some masters have does not make the students develop, since it is often paired with ineffective training methods. Besides dirty techniques and joint-breaking techniques the rest of Muay Boran can be used in sparring and fights, so "too dangerous to be used" is an exaggeration 🙏
Def right
Im trainning your online course dialy, bc of this xD
I'm glad to hear that! I'm updating the course, soon the new content will be available 🙏
Centuries ago didn't exist any Muay BS. Also competitions are new contemporary western invention. Those "ancient" martial arts are not ancient at all. Muay Thai was born copying English boxing. Nice coping. Now tell me when are you planning to build a time machine to bring back an "ancient" "Muay boran" master to teach us? If ever existed such a thing it's dead now. You yourself will have to recreate it and sell it as the real deal.
There are historical records showing that Muay existed long before English Boxing spread in Thailand, what you say does not make sense. Most of the art survived, some masters conserved it and passed it down art, for example, the Muay Korat master in the video lived for a century and kept teaching Muay Korat even when he was 90 years old.
Apparently, you are the one who used a time machine to travel back centuries ago if you give a statement then give something to support it.
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Both combined >>>>>> all
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