@Ale they are young people that have just graduated from universities. They spent all that time censoring people and creating safe spaces and this is the result.
@Lunas Ra so in order to fire all the people you would have to fire every person who works in the public sector or at an institution that accepts public funding.
I live in a small northern city, I called the police once and they said they are busy and couldn't send someone for at least an hour, it was a break in to a residence, I cannot imagine how long it would take if they had a reduction in officers, like wow, mind blowing stuff, we need more officers not less!!!!!!!!
fund the police and defund the government . People are losing sight of just how important proper policing is not just to large cities but all parts of Canada . Without it , we are all in danger of being victims of CRIMINALS . What happened to having respect for those that truly look to serve and protect us ?
People also forget what the alternative is: self policing. It will turn into the wild west as people interpret laws and the appropriate enforcement for themselves.
Police will have to make up the shortfall. You will get a ticket for every issue on your car, absolutely no discretionary powers. Jaywalkers have fun in court.
My recommendation would be to defund anyone who presents a bill that would do serious damage to the city’s residents such as this one. It makes no sense to pay money to someone whose thinking is so flawed that they come up with harmful legislation.
I can't wait for them to do this, the Toronto police are already short from the last hiring freeze. Let crime run rampant for a while and give the city residents a taste of what they really want.
I do agree the police budget needs the fat reduced as does the TTC budget. But everyone cries it can't be done. I don't believe that anytime a union is involved there can be definate savings without affecting service
I hope are sercrity agencies and military are taking names , and the day comes when they take over the government. And theses people are rounded up and dealt with .
Just pay all of the police to stay home for 2 months. 60 easy days of no police, no harassment, no abuse, no anything........just people living together in peace and with respect for each other. Ahhhh.........paradise!! I just can not help but wonder how many snowflakes would want to call the police back early?
How many black people are killed by police each year in Canada you ask? Between 2000 and 2017 there were 460 fatal incidents and this number includes justified, as well as unjustified police killings. 71% (326) were white, 15% (69) Indigenous, and 9% (41) were black. That’s 41 black people over 17 years, or 2.42 black people per year and remember some of these deaths were justified. From this we are supposed to believe that our police force is riddled with systemic racism? From this we are supposed to just do away with the police? Over 2.42 people per year? Do these people know what systemic means?
So one black per 7.8 whites, one Indigenous per 4.4 whites were shot by police. According to (2016) census, Toronto is 68% white. That means one black was shot by police when 8 white people were shot by police in a city where it is close to 50-50 that any given person is white at all. The impression given is that Toronto is nearly 100% white, while really Toronto is barely half white. Not sure where this is going, it just seems imprudent in general--not very honest impressions given either way.
If they do this at least have some baseline measurement for return on investment accountability to ensure the money is actually fixing something. For years governments have been cutting services and especially so with mental health institutions due to special interest groups lobbying for their closure. They were far from perfect places but it was a place to guarantee housing, shelter and most importantly proper medication and care. Now the streets are littered with an unfortunate number of mentally ill and violent people with the responsibility to deal with them dumped on police and the amount of resources dedicated to this one issue alone is staggering. Pile that on top of polician pandering, targeting innocent lawful gun owners and completely ignoring the primary source and cause of the majority of homicides. This will never be anything more than political window dressing and very tragic given the majority of victims come from the same communities as many of the offenders they are completely ignoring. Even Chief Saunders was unable to deal with the political hypocrisy anymore. The problem is difficult, dynamic, sometimes cultural, but never fixable by enforcement or policing action alone. The removal of the criminal from society at minimum, does ensure that person cannot victimize innocent citizens while they are incarcerated.
Sadly, we have judges blind to the issues at the street level, undoing all the hard work the police put in to get justice for victims. I agree with your assessment of too many burdens being placed on the police. What I don't understand, in this sea of lefties, is why they defunded mental health services. I would have thought the lefties would be first in line to get people the help they need. Too many dollars for solar panels and wind farms I guess. Metal health was not fashionable enough.
Support your local police. Our t.o. cops havent even got winter tires on their cars. Thats why they bicycle in the winter. No joke. I have worked on a few precincts. Those guys work on a shoestring budget.
I call on our fearless leaders to grow some balls and take care of this problem before bad things start happening, I will NOT take a knee to any black or white try and make me see what happens
Proper police training is needed. My experience is, the cops think they can do what ever they want. I had one steal from me, for example.They abuse their power and act like laws don't apply to them. They are there to protect the public, even those they arrest. Teach them that and teach them to deescalate situations, not create them. Like the woman in the park with her child on a swing, use discretion in every situation. Just like a judge can use full punishment or minimal punishment. All situations can be handled differently.
This should have been shut down the moment it escaped who ever's mouth ! Comply and no issues...........you speed and see lights u pull over , you start shooting up the place ....guess what , force will be used ! ...........Dumbest thing that was ever said !!!
The population of Toronto keeps increasing that means more gangs more drugs more prostitution rings etc. so how are less police going to be a rational response to an increase in crime?
as a country, we need a government, party, politic, soldier, police, fire fighter, doctor, nurse, volunteer, principal, teacher. can you do that BLM? Oh black live matter? Oh If you can not follow that, you should live with animal. Thank you Canadian
Can Canadians not think for themselves....what is this follow the leader meaning the states....if it wasn’t so scary i say to them ....just up and quit and see who calls who first.....so discussing
Reform yes... Defunding? Don't be regoddamndiculous. I'm all for looking at how police interact with civilians... but people are taking this shit way too far.
I dont think this is a really good solution at all. Yes its good that more resources are going to social services programs. But not every singe 911 one is a mental health crisis. I think that there should be a law to make these bystanders punish for calling the police to provoke violent situations. They need to be punished for that. also what about no non violent offenders. The problem is in the hiring, training and accountability. These officers need to be educated in topics such as race relations, work from an antioppression policy and hacve character tratis such as patience, self control, compassion, right judgement. And they need to be prosecuted for their crimes. This isnt enough to change the abusive culture of policing.
Ok those who voted for police defunding can make the decision to NOT call the police when they come for you!! This is nonsense. Folks, check out some videos of "Officer Tatum" on TH-cam and then come back and tell me the defunding is a good idea!!
Well, we do need police but at any given time there is a large number of cops on lengthy holidays, leave of absence, reduced duties and so. They play the system because there is no accountability. In the past year I have reported crime twice and they basically laughed at me that I expected them to do anything! So as you would expect I am not a big fan of them. I am sure they could trim by 10% and we would not see a difference other than Mike McCormack bitching.
Easy answer, get rid of the bad cops money saved , get rid of the paid leaves when they do something wrong money saved, at ocer$70 bucks an hour. Maybe a pay cut money saved, get rid of the police union that protects the bad cops, and money saced
Defund City Councillors....they clearly have too much time on their hands to think about how to improve our city instead of baiting.
Defund City Council
We should defund council instead
Defund all politicians
Defund City Councillors and trud doh.
Defund the Government
@@FedUpCanuck now we're talking common sense!!
Citizens of Toronto, not the radical left, you better prepare to defend your area's!
Prepare to shoot your arrows from your balconies ladies and gents.
@@johnnym9909 Nerf guns unless you are an illegal gun owning gang member...then of course you can have your guns
@@JS-te4gz And never go to jail for it!
If there is no police, l will be getting a gun.
if the police aren't showing up to secure the area you better not expect fire/rescue to show up either
Sometimes the best punishment for people's stupidity is giving them exactly what they ask for.
I disagree, it doesn't have to come to chaos. This is a small group of people that are talking really loud.
Ya let Toronto burn!!!!!!
@Ale they are young people that have just graduated from universities. They spent all that time censoring people and creating safe spaces and this is the result.
I was thinking the same thing and it would be fun to watch.
@Lunas Ra so in order to fire all the people you would have to fire every person who works in the public sector or at an institution that accepts public funding.
1. Release criminals from prisons
2. Disarm law abiding citizens
3. Defund the police
Genius....
...and open safe injection sites on each corner!
Because it's 2020 😃
nope definitely not Toronto needs the police but it can shake down on the overhead get rid of some of those counsellors that cost too much money.
Lunas Ra
send in the thugs to teach them a lesson so they need to call the police. Bet they bitch when the police don’t show up to help them.
Soros and communist China ahhhhh
I live in a small northern city, I called the police once and they said they are busy and couldn't send someone for at least an hour, it was a break in to a residence, I cannot imagine how long it would take if they had a reduction in officers, like wow, mind blowing stuff, we need more officers not less!!!!!!!!
Cut down government, funding for special interest groups and cut taxes for working people.
...so that's yes, then...
i just dont wanna pay whatever taxes
6mommom. Nobody likes paying taxes but what do you think the result will be on your life if nobody pays tax.
If you want to find out what defunding police would actually do, check out Murray-Hill riot, Montreal, Oct 7 1969.
Exactly !!!
fund the police and defund the government . People are losing sight of just how important proper policing is not just to large cities but all parts of Canada . Without it , we are all in danger of being victims of CRIMINALS . What happened to having respect for those that truly look to serve and protect us ?
People also forget what the alternative is: self policing. It will turn into the wild west as people interpret laws and the appropriate enforcement for themselves.
It's bad enough now for the police now people better by some guns
We can't legally defend ourselves in Canada. What is a gun gonna do besides land you in jail for white supremacy?
What guns? Trudope is taking them all away
No, he's not.
What lunacy.
Premier Doug Ford should make another cutback of Toronto City councilors. 🤣🤣🤣😷
Toronto cops are out there doing a great job in their community. This is Canada not the USA!
Do it, then call a vote of no confidence immediately...maybe then people will do the right thing this time
In their Zombie state how can they do the right thing OBEY they are doing
no, not immediately. Give it time to marinate so people can see how bad a choice it was
Police will have to make up the shortfall. You will get a ticket for every issue on your car, absolutely no discretionary powers. Jaywalkers have fun in court.
I agree. There are likely things that the police do that maybe others could, however just jumping on a bandwagon is silly.
Stop even giving these people a Plat form.
History of civilizations shows that eventually it destroys itself. We never learn from history.
My recommendation would be to defund anyone who presents a bill that would do serious damage to the city’s residents such as this one. It makes no sense to pay money to someone whose thinking is so flawed that they come up with harmful legislation.
As long as the politicians lose their police protection I'm ok with it.
Toronto city council, what an excellent grasp of the superficial.
I can't wait for them to do this, the Toronto police are already short from the last hiring freeze. Let crime run rampant for a while and give the city residents a taste of what they really want.
Brilliantly thought out explanation. Lorrie Goldstein has been words of reason personified since I was in school.
I do agree the police budget needs the fat reduced as does the TTC budget. But everyone cries it can't be done. I don't believe that anytime a union is involved there can be definate savings without affecting service
Every scuzbucket in Ontario would like to see less police on the streets.
What about the poor people who live in the bad land and it be more kill
I hope are sercrity agencies and military are taking names , and the day comes when they take over the government. And theses people are rounded up and dealt with .
Just pay all of the police to stay home for 2 months. 60 easy days of no police, no harassment, no abuse, no anything........just people living together in peace and with respect for each other. Ahhhh.........paradise!! I just can not help but wonder how many snowflakes would want to call the police back early?
Ya sure defund the police, and allow us to conceal/open carry and defend ourselves.
ARE YOU CRAZY LESS POLICE WILL GET WORSE
DEFUND THE DISSIDENTS
How many black people are killed by police each year in Canada you ask?
Between 2000 and 2017 there were 460 fatal incidents and this number includes justified, as well as unjustified police killings. 71% (326) were white, 15% (69) Indigenous, and 9% (41) were black. That’s 41 black people over 17 years, or 2.42 black people per year and remember some of these deaths were justified. From this we are supposed to believe that our police force is riddled with systemic racism? From this we are supposed to just do away with the police? Over 2.42 people per year? Do these people know what systemic means?
So one black per 7.8 whites, one Indigenous per 4.4 whites were shot by police. According to (2016) census, Toronto is 68% white. That means one black was shot by police when 8 white people were shot by police in a city where it is close to 50-50 that any given person is white at all. The impression given is that Toronto is nearly 100% white, while really Toronto is barely half white. Not sure where this is going, it just seems imprudent in general--not very honest impressions given either way.
Maybe they should get rid of Toronto,
It is perfectly fine in Toronto and many other cities to dump paint on streets and roads.
If they do this at least have some baseline measurement for return on investment accountability to ensure the money is actually fixing something. For years governments have been cutting services and especially so with mental health institutions due to special interest groups lobbying for their closure. They were far from perfect places but it was a place to guarantee housing, shelter and most importantly proper medication and care. Now the streets are littered with an unfortunate number of mentally ill and violent people with the responsibility to deal with them dumped on police and the amount of resources dedicated to this one issue alone is staggering. Pile that on top of polician pandering, targeting innocent lawful gun owners and completely ignoring the primary source and cause of the majority of homicides. This will never be anything more than political window dressing and very tragic given the majority of victims come from the same communities as many of the offenders they are completely ignoring. Even Chief Saunders was unable to deal with the political hypocrisy anymore. The problem is difficult, dynamic, sometimes cultural, but never fixable by enforcement or policing action alone. The removal of the criminal from society at minimum, does ensure that person cannot victimize innocent citizens while they are incarcerated.
Sadly, we have judges blind to the issues at the street level, undoing all the hard work the police put in to get justice for victims. I agree with your assessment of too many burdens being placed on the police. What I don't understand, in this sea of lefties, is why they defunded mental health services. I would have thought the lefties would be first in line to get people the help they need. Too many dollars for solar panels and wind farms I guess. Metal health was not fashionable enough.
Support your local police. Our t.o. cops havent even got winter tires on their cars. Thats why they bicycle in the winter. No joke. I have worked on a few precincts. Those guys work on a shoestring budget.
I call on our fearless leaders to grow some balls and take care of this problem before bad things start happening, I will NOT take a knee to any black or white try and make me see what happens
Please do it, liberal Toronto don't need police.
Proper police training is needed. My experience is, the cops think they can do what ever they want. I had one steal from me, for example.They abuse their power and act like laws don't apply to them. They are there to protect the public, even those they arrest. Teach them that and teach them to deescalate situations, not create them. Like the woman in the park with her child on a swing, use discretion in every situation. Just like a judge can use full punishment or minimal punishment. All situations can be handled differently.
This should have been shut down the moment it escaped who ever's mouth ! Comply and no issues...........you speed and see lights u pull over , you start shooting up the place ....guess what , force will be used ! ...........Dumbest thing that was ever said !!!
Any lunatic defunding the police is gonna be on Insurance Benefits before the end of the week.
Refund the police... Do these people have a PAL ?
Only a TRUE CRIMINAL, would even consider the idea as to being..... a good one .
Lol! Good luck in Scarborough!
very stupid idea
Defund the police and problems get solved permanently. 85% of crime in Toronto was committed by the group that matters.
No cutting because in every bushel there's bad apples. we need the police because when this s*** hits the fan who do you call eh
Defunding the police would make the situation worse not better.
Send your social workers to bank robberies lol
Defund.
We can govern ourselves
I see job cuts all over we are broke thats the real problem
You cant control the gangs as it is.
The population of Toronto keeps increasing that means more gangs more drugs more prostitution rings etc. so how are less police going to be a rational response to an increase in crime?
That would be meant disaster
If they defund the police. Then go ahead and keep your guns to protect yourself.... There will be no one to enforce that either. Just a thought.
Recession is already here..
I agreed with toronto sun.
thank you.
as a country, we need a government, party, politic, soldier, police, fire fighter, doctor, nurse, volunteer, principal, teacher.
can you do that BLM? Oh black live matter?
Oh If you can not follow that, you should live with animal.
Thank you
Canadian
Black people, if you need a space, make sure you are right?
OK
Bring in Shari police they will scream since it is different.
Never going to happen. Don't like it move some where else. Tried of this nonsense.
Can Canadians not think for themselves....what is this follow the leader meaning the states....if it wasn’t so scary i say to them ....just up and quit and see who calls who first.....so discussing
Reform yes... Defunding? Don't be regoddamndiculous. I'm all for looking at how police interact with civilians... but people are taking this shit way too far.
One good reason why you don't enact idiotic policies like this.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray-Hill_riot
I dont think this is a really good solution at all. Yes its good that more resources are going to social services programs. But not every singe 911 one is a mental health crisis. I think that there should be a law to make these bystanders punish for calling the police to provoke violent situations. They need to be punished for that. also what about no non violent offenders. The problem is in the hiring, training and accountability. These officers need to be educated in topics such as race relations, work from an antioppression policy and hacve character tratis such as patience, self control, compassion, right judgement. And they need to be prosecuted for their crimes. This isnt enough to change the abusive culture of policing.
Ok those who voted for police defunding can make the decision to NOT call the police when they come for you!! This is nonsense. Folks, check out some videos of "Officer Tatum" on TH-cam and then come back and tell me the defunding is a good idea!!
Welcome the RCMP pals:
th-cam.com/video/PodpdGgnbZE/w-d-xo.html
What ever you cut from their budget they'll make back in speeding tickets
Less speeding tickets I would hope all police are just glorified meter maids.
Just defund & replace TPS' Human Resources department.
Well, we do need police but at any given time there is a large number of cops on lengthy holidays, leave of absence, reduced duties and so. They play the system because there is no accountability. In the past year I have reported crime twice and they basically laughed at me that I expected them to do anything! So as you would expect I am not a big fan of them. I am sure they could trim by 10% and we would not see a difference other than Mike McCormack bitching.
Easy answer, get rid of the bad cops money saved , get rid of the paid leaves when they do something wrong money saved, at ocer$70 bucks an hour. Maybe a pay cut money saved, get rid of the police union that protects the bad cops, and money saced
The police are over paid , so is the fire department.
What do you do for work?