NEW Concept art and CLUES (!!) for Avatar Experience at Disneyland
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ย. 2024
- Going on 14 months now since Disney first teased the Avatar experience and we still don't know a whole lot. But this new concept art has given us our best leap forward in figuring out WHAT Avatar will be and WHERE it will go.
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They should make an entire waterpark with the Way of Water theme.
Still want to know when we're getting that extra ride in Avengers Campus they've teased forever. I want our Cosmic Rewind!!
Most likely will get news at D23 hopefully
I don’t think we’ll get two GotG rides and two rides with randomized retro music in the same area of the park.
Plus CRW isn’t good…yeah it’s a decent rollercoaster but it’s basically the equivalent of Paris’ Rockin’Rollercoaster/Iron man ride…just a giant room with screens with projected animation that’ll look dated in 5 years. They had the technology to have the ride vehicle turn to face different set pieces like they do in HM or Rise of the Resistance and they didn’t do it here. It’s just an empty ride that doesn’t belong in EPCOT
Compare it to the theming and experience you get with Mission Break Out!, MBO is the better ride.
I think the ride AC is getting is the Flight of Passage/Quinn Jet ride that’s taking forever.
Never. Disney is getting broken up under antitrust and that means bye bye Avengers Campus due to royalties. Also means no more Galaxy's Edge. Like anyone will miss Disney owning Marvel or Lucasfilm. I look forward to the triumphant return of Tower of Terror.
@@stanfordite1that’s a lie
@@stanfordite1and marvel and Lucas films is better than tower of terror
What a busy week for Disneyland news! I would definitely rather Pandora in Disneyland than California Adventure mainly because the Redwood Creek area is the last area supposed to represent the natural beauty of California and it would be incredibly weird to tear it down to make fake plants especially sandwiching it between two other parts including a hotel that are themed to the California redwoods.
I think the boats are the e-ticket. The ride vehicles look like Shanghai Pirates. It looks like it just goes in and out of the show building like small world.
That boat ride looks like the sub lagoon to me.
It sure does...
It's possible but I sure hope not!
Yes, imagine standing with your back to the Matterhorn, looking at the sub ride. Also, the Submarine ride costs almost twice as much to operate than any other ride and it doesn't handle that many riders per hour. I'll bet they'd like to get rid of it, and shrink down the Autopia ride when it goes Electic. This could fit there. On the other hand, it would be a HUGE draw for a new land (3rd gate) like Disney Forward.
Being that the subs don’t submerge too awfully far, I could see them using the subtract for above water boats.
With Avatar being mentioned with Disneyland Forward, the first thing that I thought of was the land gap between Toontown & Galaxy's Edge. That would transition from Pandora, to Galaxy's Edge & the path would let you out to the D.L Gates in Critter Country. That is what I came up with.
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Respectful of the fun in figuring it all out... I can'r see them touching Grizzly Peak. It ties too nicely with the Grand Californian Hotel :)
The main problem I could see is that it could possibly cause a lot of noise messing with guests at the hotel
The immediate vibe I got was that this would have to be a replacement for Nemo... but you'd have to get rid of all of Autopia and not do the electric cars.
Replacing Soaring would be such a mistake tbh
You are right, and that is why they are just going to make a new Soaring movie and called it "Soaring over Pandora", and that will be the new Avatar Experience.
Pandora Cruise. Are you ready for the back side of the Way of Water?
I could be in the Nemo/autopia area where Pandora/Avatar ride would be like a jungle cruise trip ride. Then they could also use Launch Bay into a showcase or indoor ride.
I hope you're wrong. Id be really upset if they remove Soarin. I listen to that ride score when Im at work wishing I was in Disneyland.
Disney Forward will have small structure rides throughout the new land.
The killing issue is sound & lights coming from the new land, all because is the Anaheim neighborhood is next door which will be super close to housing & apts
I dont see how this fits in DL or CAA - unless they bury the DL backlot and put Pandora on top. I think this is intended for the Toy Story lot and they create an immersive sky tram or monorail option (where you dont see the City of Anaheim) that takes you there. Maybe you get there via a spaceport in Tomorrowland to go discover “another planet ppl call Pandora.”
The Shanghai style boat ride would be great for a DAK expansion
All David had to do was hypothetically mention Soarin being replaced, and my blood pressure went up lol
I could see this going into the old motor boat cruise area. The ocean in the background is the Tomorrowland Bay where Finding Nemo is.
I wonder if the boat ride starts inside the area to the right. Maybe start as a dark ride that comes out from under the waterfall into the open area? It looks like the water splits towards the bottom which would allow boats to pass under the water and out of the mountain?
This is giving me Shanghai pirates ride but as an avatar theme wich would be really cool!
By the time they finish this so called destination, We'll have a whole new generation without a clue of Pandora.
This exactly. No one really gives a crap about Avatar, no matter how much Disney is trying to force us to care about it
Not only will it never be built, but Pandora will eventually go away in AK after Disney is broken up. I plan to replace it with Beastly Kingdom as originally planned after I take over Disney.
Those are screens in a show building boat ride, akin to Pirates in Shangai.
I don't want to complain, but does every new ride/ land have to be based on IP? Sure a lot of "classic" attractions were based off movies, but many of them aren't... Pirates, Haunted Mansion, Big Thunder, Matterhorn, Jungle Cruise, Space Mountain, autopia, the list goes on. I'm not saying something Avatar would be out of place, but I'm just wondering if we'll ever get a new land or attraction that isn't IP based
Awesome breakdown, but I think it is most likely going in the 8-10 acre DF expanded Hollywood land. The High rocks are covering the show building and Mission breakout.
If they can transition your from Critter Country to Galaxy Edge they can transition you from the front of DCA to Hollywood Studios area. It only takes portal holes for transitioning. Universal will be doing transitioning portals through out Universal Epic
I think Iger’s use of the word “possible” means it’s ALL about April’s Anaheim vote on Disneyland Forward. A vote yes means Disney will build it.
I think they'll either make pandora a 3rd gate at toy story or connect it to Critter country or redwood creek challenge and extend it into the respective disneyland forward area. 3 opportunities which would fit best?
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I think it could potentially be in/next to tomorrow land or autopia. Isn’t avatar putting human bodies in aliens/other beings. That’s pretty futuristic to me.
Iger has mentioned that the Disney Parks need to increase capacity. Tearing out rides and/or repurposing them doesn’t do that.
Pretty sure taking out subs and adding a Shanghai Pirates ride system will boost up capacity alone.
Hi Dave, Great video as always.. Everybody seems to forget the words ADD CAPACITY so a re-scin doesn't achieve that. Disneyland forward gives them the opportunity to start sooner then tearing down and re building!
What is “a re-scin”?? I tried to look it up and got nothing.
@WindowtotheMagic ya I spelled it wrong. I'm glad you're so good as to catch it. Maybe someday we'll be as good as you.
There's the footpath behind Grizzly River Rapids for an example. Under the Lift Hill. 5:33 Start building Monorail Trains and casting the Beamway segments. That's what will take time to build.
Boats Look like Shanghai Pirates Boat ride technology
The ocean in the background - one of the things I'm most impressed with DCA, Pixar Pier, is how convincingly it feels like you're one wall away from an ocean view. But that's more about the cultural expectations than optical illusions!
Make Grizzly river area UP Themed or Wilderness Explorer
It would be really cool if it was an Avatar-themed hotel that integrated the hotel and ride experience together
Remember, concept art always makes a space look larger than it actually is. The humans are always smaller in scale to the landscape around them. Look at the concept art for Gallaxy's Edge, or even Splash Mountain.
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Imagine you walk to the end of critter country you have splash on the left, winnie the pooh on the right and front and center a river with boats that transport you to pandora onto the new disneyland forward site.
Queen Mary lagoon?
Turn Autopia into Cyber trucks without any center 🦮 guide rails , where you can Choose Your own Path and make turns and transitions between the two track routes. Or another one to a Bridge Over harbor Boulevard and over to the Pandora Area -the old Grand Hotel they imploded for expansion area by Interstate 5 near Garden Walk - You can Drive over Harbor Boulevard. in Autopia cars To the New Pandora Land... 34:28
Splitsville is too small unless you put it closer to Jungle Cruise and intermingling it with Pandora Area. 44:20
Make Tom Sawyer Island into Pandora? It's Sacred Land, but Iger might level it all for Pandora. 48:37
I don’t know how all that would mesh together thematically. 😱
I would expect them to use the Shanghai Pirates' tech on the boat ride. Controlled motion boats. Ride starts and ends outdoors, main show inside the building with projections and animatronics.
……I’m sure the boat ride goes into the SHOW BUILDING disguised as a mountain, with waterfall.
You will loose your mind if they announce return of people mover in Disneyland Forward . Oh how I hope they do !
My guess, is this is just a look inside a massive indoor screen ride. Yes there will be water, and some animatronics perhaps, but maybe this land is actually just all a massive screen ride? And the boats will be like pirates? Maybe a few small drops and such. And a walk through kids play area with water and such. I’m the odd one out though I don’t like it. I wish we could get something like Fantasy Springs at Tokyo Disneyland.
Dylan Cole nailing the epic scale in this concept 🙌
I don’t see this as a grizzly/mermaid/soarin replacement for avatar. This does absolutely nothing to increase capacity. How about the bus loop, Disney has publicly said avatar will be in DL then the next day DCA. Perhaps because the bus loop space gives them the option to add it it to either park???
Agree on all points except for your order at the end. I bet Tomorrowland first, then eastern gate, then avatar.
The rockwork looks very Grizzly Peak-ish. Like they could modify the bear to create this cliff/waterfall
Innoventions, Nemo Lagoon, Autopia, old Motor Boat area. Reroute monorail.
Agree with all your speculation. Avatar in the DL Forward expansion property makes most sense. However, I was thinking about Tomorrowland: If you remove the internal figure-8 monorail track; if you lower the level of the water in the sub lagoon to where it can become the Shanghai boat system track and build tall show building/mountain range on top; if you turn Autopia into a partially indoor attraction (think old Test Track) running somehow behind or below the Avatar show building; suddenly you have a fantastic reuse of the lagoon/Autopia area.
This is close to a thought I had. I'm more ok losing the subs this time knowing a replacement is coming. There is nothing out there saying Autopia can't be modified, or the Monorail too. I really should do my own video with a detailed idea I have that includes part of what you're thinking.
I like your idea🤩😅 however why do they have to remove monorail I feel it still fits in it’s cool being able to ride in it and look down into the lands and it adds soo much kinetic energy to the parks Pandora is no different an Ip in reality than Nemo is ? Both are imaginative creative places/ stories-whereas or although Nemo definitely didn’t fit the Tomorrowland theme but it did still work- guests still enjoy it & didn’t question a monorail being there Avatar and Pandora definitely does fit!!
Thank you for this analysis!
“Creative inspiration for a possible new destination” sounds like a line from a Disney song.
They’ve actually discovered Pandora and are selling tickets. I tried buying them online but so far they’re unobtanium.
I've heard a possible idea is that part of Disneyland Forward includes turning the current bus drop off between the two parks into theme park space. If it gets approved they could use Hollywood backlot and the bus area for Avatar
I think this makes the most sense. I've also heard this and the same source mentioned a boat ride with the Shanghai Pirates ride system which looks suspiciously like the boats in the concept art.
What if the Avatar "experience" is an attraction and not an entire land? That's how Disney used to use their IP's. Imagine a massive Pandora E-ticket indoor boat ride similar to Navi'i River Journey but on the scale of Shanghai POTC. I would prefer that over creating a whole Pandora land in the very limited DLR space.
Autopia, Nemo and Launch Bay. Part in Fantasy land part in Tomorrow Land. It would fit in both.
My thoughts exactly
As far as monorail not fitting in….
They can make it work
Monorail can transcend time and space
Or can be hidden behind those big plant and rock facades
16:39 lol @ Kenan Thompson in an Autopia car in Pandora. Clever reference to how he is in the real Epic Universe HTTyD concept art.
To me (btw im an architect 😉) this new land coul easily fit in the tomorrowland lagoon area. Re-amagining the following: Autopia ( electric cars means no noise), finding nemo submarine to river raft, carrousel of progress to an immersive attraction.
You got water, plenty of vegetation and the rocks or mountains from the concept art go well with the matterhorn area.
That would speed up construction and continue with Walts vision evolution of the park, and specifically about the land of tomorrow.
I just got a ad/commercial for magic key while watching this video! Never seen them do this.
Honestly my best guess is that this could take over the Grizzly Peak area (since the area is already hooked up to water). But those pedestrian bridges make me think Disneyland Forward. Exciting stuff!
I share your cautious optimism! A lot will depend on what happens at D23--concrete plans, or more "maybe one day" stuff. But I'm hopeful.
I'm also glad they don't seem like they're going to reskin Grizzly Peak--maybe I'm in a minority, but that's one of my favorite places to visit, just to enjoy the vibes, and remember summers spent in the San Bernadino mountains.
Welcome to D23.5 -- I mean the annual investor's meeting -- where all your blue sky dreams are shared but most definitely will not come true.
if autopia is going electric it can go in doors build avatar on top and move the loading area over by the old boat ride
4:00 itll be like pirates of the pirates of the Caribbean where u go down a level it turns you around the land
Avatar Experience looks like it could fit where Nemo , Autopia and the now closed motorboats (maybe also Star Wars launch bay) attraction are. with it taking place in the 'future' that fits in with with Tomorrowland. The monorail would be a problem.
except they're updating Autopia to electric. why do that if they're going to build avatar there?
My guy is telling me they are removing grizzly peak replacing it with Avatar
@@freshbakedpresentsagreed almost guaranteed going in DCA
That’s IF they decide to go electric on Autopia. Right now they’ve only hinted at a “roadmap” on how to do so, never once making any commitment to it.
Avatar land will be part of Disneyland Forward phase 1 location
Those boats kind of reminds me of the Shanghai Pirates boats.
Love your insight, David! I truly hope this lands with Disneyland Forward IF it happens.... It would be a horrible addition to Disneyland and doesn't fit at DCA.
With Anaheim Approval, they have the time to develop plans and solid Art for planning. Another Dick Nunis "lost Weekend" with corkboard and watercolors sketching the first Disneyland Plot Plan.
They may put it in the area taken up by the remnants of the old Motor Boat Cruise. If so, hopefully they put more money in it than the cruise to Gummy Glen got!
This looks like an overlay of the Finding Nemo Lagoon minus the monorail of course. The boats travel opposite of the subs. The ocean in the background seems to be around where the old motor boat ride was.
Ocean may very well be an elaborate video wall or other optical illusion
I am the thoughts that the actual results of the recent board vote will give us new attractions and possible lands but with the attitude of procedures that have been used successfully to build up the Disneyland experience, and that would also include the end or total redo of the reservation and Lightning Lane procedures.
I was thinking about using some ideas from the past about things in the future for electrifying Autopia and that would be using electric motors for power but not using on board batteries because right now there really isn't a reliable battery system that is going to provide the power and run time to safely use on a public ride.
The thing I was thinking of why couldn't a a system be used that picked up the power source for the onboard electric motors like was talked about in the past of what would happen in our future where you would have a car that switched from some sort of internal combustion engine to an electric motor for economical and ecological power that picked up it's power source from the roadway itself. I think it would be fairly easy to safely put a system like that in the current ride area, and it would use a traffic coordinator that would give announcements of upcoming cities or places of interest for the operators of the (fictional) travelers.
If they want to get rid of the subs and autopia, they could replace them with this and just retheme the sub lagoon,
Remember when Disney used to create things that didn't revolve around an IP. Instead the theme park attraction became an IP
Agreed. Disney lost it's creativity.
After my hostile takeover, it will again. I will usher in the Make Disney Great Again era where every decision is once again made by asking "What would Walt do?" like management did after his death.
Do you complain about Universal Studios Epic Universe in the same way you’re complaining about Disney? No offense… just curious.
@@WindowtotheMagic Universal has never created a non-ip attraction. Disney has and refuse to go back to it.
Remember when Disney used to create new IP instead of buying it and exploiting it while destroying what people liked about it????
I think the Sub/autotopia area.
Looking at the map . . . . I say . . . dig a tunnel under Disneyland drive that you walk thru at the end of Critter Country and Pandora takes over the Mickey and Friends parking structure. Unless something coming up has already claimed that space.
Wonderbra Theater tensioned fabric "tent" Attractions fabric shade shelter. 5:34
Nemo and the boat ride area.
Building on the right looks like Nemo. Just purely for imagination.
What if they took the old motorboat cruise area, as you mentioned, AND made her electric autopia into a drive-thru portion (take the boats to the cars, then a driving tour…) Tomorrowland could be future earth, leading to the spaceport where you would depart to pandora…just a thought.
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Wrap your head around all of this…. If the Anaheim board says YES… the word excitement will be a major understatement!!!!!🎉❤🎉❤🎉❤🎉❤🎉❤
Imagine a park named California Adventure without any California-themed adventures 🤓
Pandora is set on another planet in the future. Let’s tear up Autopia and Nemo to build Pandora. It’s not its own “land” but just part of Tomorrowland. It can become the start of redoing Tomorrowland. I get that it doesn’t seem likely. Just my dream.
We actually think the most logical spot for avatar is back behind galaxy’s edge and toon town. They have a ton of empty space back there, would not have to revamp anything, and with the way both areas are now designed it’s easily transitioned into something else.
universal builds a huge park, disney does words
I wish they would add Tron Light Cycle to Tomorrowland. It would give Tomorrowland a good face lift and with the new Tron coming out it could work.
Im in the grizzly peak camp as i think it saves Disney a lot of cost simply using the existing pipes & plumbing currently in place as opposed to breaking ground to route water from city lines through the park.
Also, I believe buidling a new water ride would present many challenges today in 2024 as far as permits in regards to water consumption, the added cost to the city & tax payers and water efficiency/ waste complaints by taxpayers/ politicians.
Grizzly Peak doesn't make the park money and a refurbished Avatar in DCA would cost less and make more they can report to shareholders
We want more, we want the best, we want it all. . . and we want it NOW! . . . 😜 Disney knows how to manage expectations, so, no problem.
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I could see, frozen, going towards the Disneyland expansion plot for Disneyland forward, and the DCA plot being used for something similar to the Simpsons, or in that realm. I could see the toy story parking lot, possibly becoming a standalone, mini park and encompassing nature films of Disney’s Canon, such as lion king and Pandora
They would never do Simpsons because no one under the age of 30 has ever watched that. The old parking lot is an exact footprint of Frozen land almost as if they were testing the sight lines from the other park as a test for the parking lot- it’s just too precise of a match to be an accident.
There is no expansion happening and there is no Simpsons or Frozen or Pandora coming. Disney is getting broken up.
Any updates on Haunted mansion yet
still moving earth and rebuilding drainage. no positive movement yet.
Tomorrow land Theater _is_ the Wonderbra Theater area near Small world. Avatar could be in Adventureland Boats area? Or in Long Beach? ⛱️ 19:51
Maybe take over grizzly peak, redwood creek challenge and soarin?
Not happening.
16:42 Love this! I think Simba.
What if the entire Avatar experience is indoors? Could it be a walk-through AND ride-through (the boats) that fits within, for example, the Innoventions building? My money is on Disney Forward, but I feel like they *could* do this on a much smaller scale than, for example, changing the entire Grizzly Peak area.
Regarding the Captain EO Theater, I suspect Disney will turn it into yet another DVC Timeshare lounge.
I have loved the Disney parks my whole life. I try not to get my expectations up too high since 90% of their blue sky stuff goes nowhere.
speak the words. people mover
Here you go... Disney buys the Angels. Relocates them to Long Beach. Tears down the old stadium, builds a stand-alone mini-park based on two distinct lands, Pandora and Springfield (Simpsons) which incorporates themed rides as well as a seasonal water park which is quasi hidden from the normal park, and runs as a separate admission. They run a monorail down Katella (yes, it would cross over Highway 5) and admission could be an add-on for the park or an individual admission. With space, the Disneyland Resort finally has a water park option, and Springfield can get the true space it deserves to really explore what Simpsons has to offer. Naturally the Katella monorail stops at the new Disney Springs type of thing they are building in the Toy Story lots. BAM - so easy. :)
The Simpsons do not belong in any Disney park and Disney is getting broken up. Disney will be allowed to buy the Angels back but the stadium will remain and the official name will once again be Anaheim Angels. Same with the Mighty Ducks whose name and classic sweaters will officially be restored.
@@stanfordite1 Simpsons absolutely belong in a Disney park, which is why they'll also be in Disney's Berry Farm, when in STAGE TWO of this development, they buy Knott's, tear down the water park there, build a parking garage and absorb more of the parking lot area expanding the park massively. Disney finally goes full hog on the muppets, giving them an entire park to "run" while the Simpsons hang around in the themed parking garage. TAKE IT TO THE BANK! This is a LOCK.
@@pakkmann The Simpsons do NOT belong any Disney park and neither do you. Only purists are welcome. Disney is not buying Knotts or anything else. DIsney is getting broken up under antitrust and that means bye bye Marvel, Lucasfilm, ABC, ESPN, Pixar, Muppets, etc.
@@pakkmann And when I seize Disney in a hostile takeover and usher in the Make Disney Great Again era, everything will be done by asking "What would Walt do?" again like management did after his death. If DCA is not used a CA themed park, it will be torn down and turned back into a parking lot. John Hench liked it better.
@@stanfordite1 No need to ask what would Walt do, he'll be back as in STAGE THREE he'll be unfrozen and back in the boardroom to take over from the retiring Iger. Details murky on whether Hench will be brought back, but rumors on the streets are that Ub Iwerks is a possibility!! Stay tuned!
What if the left smaller building is the soaring building. The shape of the front root looks like the roof. The marquee above even looks like a glider.
They are stuck with the Nemo lagoon. I hoped they would put Frozen Land there so the Matterhorn would look beautiful with the ice castle on it. Either way the sub show building, Autopia and the carousel building need to be removed. Uncle Walt agreed to monstrous concrete and steel foundations under that stuff to get permits from Anaheim. The Monsanto House of the Future's foundation is still there. They painted it green and planted flowers but they couldn't get it out. An Avatar Land would also keep the sub lagoon to satisfy the agreement with the city.
Don't get rid of Little Mermaid. I waited over 2 decades for them to finally give her her due. That movie changed the corse for Disney animation. Their movies sucked while I was a kid and then they finally started a better corse when it came out. It was the Frozen of the late 80s.
what if you cut autopia in half and take out nemo plus old motor boat area . is there space behind nemo ?