The Death of Business Class
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I would like to see airlines do replace economy with something akin to a pods in a Japanese pod hotel.
Though safety concerns about everybody getting out of their pods quickly in event of an emergency might be an issue with that.
I may be strange, but i travel economy when i travel for work, and in business class when going on vacation...
Tbh I never traveled on business or first, but going on a vacation on business seems fun
I think it’s better to fly in economy for small flights and business and first class for medium and long flights
I flew a lot of economy class for work with a few lucky upgrades sprinkled in. I'm now retired.
However for vacations my wife and I always fly domestic 1st class and international business class. A vacation should be an enjoyable experience. No sense arriving at your international vacation destination with no sleep, massive jet lag, and a horrendous back ache. The higher internal air pressure achieved due to a composite airframe on the 787 really does reduce jet lag. Always try to fly a 787 when you will have a big change in timezones.
@@addasensei I chose premium economy for long routes.
@@mattcolver1 Is that the plane they call the dreamliner which is more the nightmareliner in my opinion. I always try to avoid if possible.
The only reason I fly business class is to lie down flat for sleeping. Premium economy just doesn't cut it!
Lie flat with direct aisle access is amazing.
Exactly.
WOW! This video was soo much better than I had hoped for. Great job Dan!
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@@RalphEllis what makes you say that?
Why did you have low expectations?
@@voxer99 He had lower expectations, not low expectations
"Something in between luxury and suffering" 🤣🤣👍
“Business Class” has been a misnomer for several years. Whenever I’ve flown on business the company has made me fly economy to save money. I do however fly “Business Class” when I’m travelling for pleasure, or more importantly, when I’M PAYING. The concept is probably dead as far as the name is concerned (hence BA call it “Club”, not “Business”), but the Cabin itself is not.
Darren, I agree with you. While true business travel (paid by one's company) may decline, the demand for true comfort on longhaul flights could increase. More affluent and older leisure travelers want a more premium experience.
Darren , Dianne, indeed all the replies, absolutely. The writer underestimates both the amount of money a decent number of people have to spend on leisure travel and the significant difference it makes to the holiday experience. In terms of business travel reductions it will be the meetings that can't be justified by the time, never mind the cost, that will not come back, and those are also likely to be sectors flown in economy or premium economy.
@werner van gelder - but to be fair it’s a “staggered” 4 so you still have personal access to your seat.
Agreed, whether I travel for leisure or business I mind about the possibility to lie flat and sleep, that's the one thing I accept to pay a premium for. All the rest (food, service, priorities) is a welcome plus but myself along with what I guess would be the majority of premium travelers, wouldn't mind to break apart the purchase in single items, in the end of the day it doesn't change a whole lot and the airlines can survive.
@werner van gelder Companies vary in their policies. Many companies will allow you to upgrade to Business if a flight is more than 10 or 12 hours (or, if you are senior enough, for any flight). If a company wanted me to fly Tokyo to the US in economy, I'd definitely push back on that. a 16 hour flight in a seat that narrow would leave me cramped like a pretzel by arrival. My job shouldn't require physical pain.
In between luxury & suffering lol Dan that's absolutely hilarious 😂 love that!
4:55 for reference if anyone is wondering
Suffering is relative... Economy on a 787 or a350 is alot different then an old 757. Elevated cabins more entertainment options and bigger more comfortable seats.
@@vijayanchomatil8413 totally true. Emirates economy NCL to DBX had great food and drink and 2k entertainment channels plus ample legroom. On daytime sector flights I simply can’t see the point of massively priced upgrades (even £40 extra will get you lounge access at the major airports)
@@vijayanchomatil8413 economy on a 787 is cramped as hell
Business class will be back. It might be less and smaller but it will be there. Some people want more luxury and some business meetings cannot be replaced by Zoom.
Instead of 50 seats, maybe 25.
I agree. I went from flying constantly (domestic and international) to stuck behind Zoom meetings. All of us are making do with what we have, and Zoom or otherwise virtual meetings have a lot of limitations. If there was a better and safer option, we would but we don't have those options now. Working from home and virtual meetings also blur the line of work and home life, and it will not continue forever... Business travel will be back but I do agree that the old "hop on a plane at a moment notice" will decline and people will be more focused and purposeful when making that business trip.
100% agree. Zoom can replace many simple meetings for which you wouldn't have flown around the globe before either. However, deep-dive technical meetings, conferences, etc., it just doesn't work and there is a body of literature on that as well. For people who travel out of necessity, business class can't be replaced.
@@_w_w_ I just hope I will start earning good money in a few years because I wanna try business class.
I agree too. It won't be completely gone, but from an airline perspective, business class might never be what it once was...
@@NonstopDan OMG you answered my comment. Made my day. First of all, great videos as always.
Airlines will continue business class simply because it is the most profitable one. Economy covers the costs and premium gives a small profit but the real deal is Business Class.
One side comment: Some US Airline's named "First class" what is still a business class when it comes to international Booking class codes (C, Z et al.) (e.g. United First on US domestic).
Second problem here: economy class tickets where in fact subsidized by higher classes. If the revenue from Business and First is missing it means your economy fare will increase dramatically.
Wow, I've never thought of that. That's some good info right there
Personally speaking, if flying international, I'll be damned if I'm stuck on a 14hr flight plane across the ocean in cramped leg room and sitting upright trying to sleep the whole flight. Not happening. For that alone it's worth a few thousand dollars. I want to enjoy the trip to the destination, not just the destination itself. So long as their is still people with discretionary money, business class is going no where and the demand for it will eventually force airlines to consider doing away with it altogether.
Quite frankly, I don't think they can anyway, because their money is made on big spenders. First class today is your modern day private jet. No need to pay 1st class prices when a private jet gives you all that and more in privacy. But business class is perfectly in the middle. It will evolve. It will grow. But it's not going anywhere, so long as people like me request it, it'll always be around for as long as human beings fly.
I'm willing to bet that 90% of business class sales is for company travel, which are largely being replaced by Zoom. So unless discretionary business class demand increases by close to tenfold, there WILL be a huge permanent drop in demand even after COVID. Business class will reduce in size, and I think Dan is correct, smaller planes will win out.
Yeah but most people don't just have two thousand dollars laying around to spend on a business flight. Business travelers mostly get their flight paid by their company, or they use miles to upgrade. I don't think most people just have a thousand dollars to spend on a one way flight.
yes, I totally concur.
For most people, it’s either enjoy the flight OR enjoy the destination. $3000 is more than most people’s disposable income in 3 months, they aren’t going to spend it on a flight or two, they’re going to spend it a couple of weeks at their destination. What has more value for money, a few hours on a plane or a few weeks at your destination? It’s obvious what most people would choose.
If airlines priced business at only twice as much as economy, more people would definitely choose business, but they aren’t going to at 4 or 5 times the price of economy.
Wow! You did an amazing job on this video Dan! Loved watching it!
Agreed!
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It makes me happy to see you've been able to pivot to these types of videos in 2020. This is a really well made video. Hope to start flying again soon.
I really hope this isn’t the end of business class. Actually, I think it will decrease for business travellers, but increase for families who are desperate to travel after the pandemic. As always, great video 👍🏻
I work at an airport, and the borders reopened during summer 2020, the planes that arrived there was filled to the brink with families and friends who wanna to go out and see the world, so I don’t see any bad signs if that can shouldn’t happen.
I hope it isn't the end too! Thanks for watching🙏
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The family demand will only sustain for so long. After you've born a few thousand dollars on your first family holiday after the pandemic, blowing out again on a second holiday is less attractive.
Meanwhile business travelers pre-pandemic would have been doing a much as a WEEKLY commute. The numbers just don't match up.
Loving these new types of videos !! Great replacement to full flight reviews for the time being ✈️✈️
Really interesting video Dan, thanks so much for this. I was expecting it to be really negative news but you actually put a nice silver lining in that dark cloud. So well made as well, you have gone from flight reviewer to master documentary maker - bravo Sir!
I’m really liking these documentary style, deep dive videos from you (even more than the trip reports). Despite following many aviation/paxex channels and news outlets, I always end up learning something new with your mini-documentaries. Keep it up!!
Awesome production quality. I'm looking forward to more of these mini docs!!!
It’s been awesome watching your channel grow over the last 3 years. Congrats on your success. Great work on this one!
Loved the vid! These documentaries are so damn good.
well, i am giving this A+. Short, informative, nice insights. Great job.
Excellent informative video. You do them so well. Thank you Dan.
I personally believe that food should be free in all classes and at least 1 piece of luggage should be free in premium classes. Even LCC Norwegian does this in their “Premium” cabin.
It's not really free. It's just built into the price.
While I’d agree to that idea generally, issue is that we used to have this not that long ago. And removing all those “extras” is what brought down the price of flying so much nowadays (at least for economy). After all, airlines don’t operate on huge margins to begin with so every penny counts, really.
"There is no free lunch."
@@mdleweight Bernie Sanders doesn't seem to agree, but I sure do with you!
I think luggage, because it's practically a necessity, and food, because it's cheap, should be built into the ticket price. I read somewhere that an airline meal is only like $4.00 per passenger. Is someone really gonna balk at a ticket that's $4.00 more expensive, especially if they know they'll get a decent meal?
This video made my day today I was so bored at home I enjoy watching your videos it makes me feel so connect thank you Dan.
The second you mention Ryanair, a shiver went up my spine. I really hope not too many legacy heads down this track. Great job on the video Dan!
I'm really loving these type of videos! Can you do one on the history of Pan Am?
Wow Dan, amazing job on this documentary. I am a child of the 60s and I used to fly back then so you nailed it! This could’ve been a difficult topic because you are so young but you did your research. Superb storytelling!
I hope you are feeling better and back to traveling soon!❤️🙏✈️
Love this video I could see this coming it may have taken a couple of decades but it has arrived and I am so happy as a traveller
I really enjoyed watching this informative-style video of yours, Dan! I do hope that business class won't be dead. And actually you are saying too that it won't be dead - instead it will be rather renamed/ reinvented. But of course more people watch with a more drastic headline. 😂
Very well done, Dan! Glad I watched it.
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Great overview and profound message for the future!
Really informative thanks been a while since I've been on this channel 💯 I like videos like this
That was really interesting and I agree with you. I’m really enjoying this new format Dan, keep up the great videos!
Great video at perfect timing Dan! I love your new focus, congratulations!
Wow Dan, the production value of this video is over the top. I totally did not see this coming. I’ve been following and watching your videos for a long time but this is definitely the best one yet.
This is awesome Dan. Great job. I really hope things pickup sooner than later.
Fantastic Dan and thank you! Great to see someone offering their views into the future. Very well put together video too!
Excellent thesis, and your presentation is superb! Thank you!
Really interesting. Has to be one of my favorite vlogs you have done. Great job! We still have business class vouchers to use with BA
Very informative! Thanks for posting!
I liked your airline reviews a lot since your old channel days.
But I must admit that I'm enjoying your editorial style on broader airline related subjects even more. Much success to you!
💖 Really great video!✨
Loved the info on the history and clips....please do more...since there’s not a ton of flying at the moment 😐
Really fascinating stuff! Loved it!
Hi Dan - for a so called "amateur" this video is absolutely professional and worthy of broadcast on any major TV channel. Your knowledge of the airline industry is very impressive and shows in the quality of your video`s. If you could let us have the occasional shot of the middle 2 seats (for people who travel with their other halfs such as me) especially the dividing screen between the seats (to see how easy it is to have a conversation without having to crane your neck around it) that would be great. Keep up the great work mate !
Dan, super insightful and very reasonable analysis. I loved it!!
Loved it, thanks!
Very interesting ! You’ve grown up. I’ll watch next one
This was so interesting! Very well made!
Brilliant video this was extremely informative 👌
That was great... as always another informative video. Keep up the good work Dan 😁
Loved the video. I definitely learnt a lot. Thanks Dan☺️
Excellent video - great documentary!
This was SUPERB....well done!!
I love these types of videos of dan :) keep up the good videos
Wow Dan, what a well constructed and informative video! Well done...
Loving the new style of video! Great insight too!
What an amazing video Dan! So informative and you sound amazing!
This is your best video to date Dan. Well done!
Nonstop Dan, awesome research and well done. Thanks for sharing....
That was a very great video! I enjoyed it very much. Thank you.
Really good perspective and video!
Great video!!! 👍🏻
Excellent video, Dan! Your first non-travel travel video, I presume? This is one of those rare videos when you don’t just show us what happened but actually go beyond and speculate and make conclusions, etc. Very well done, professional video. I sure HOPE some business class survives, however, especially long-haul flights, like Houston to Dubai or Houston to New Zealand, etc.
*Fantastic video! Please make more of these!*
By the way, I predict that the major cabin changes we are going to see are a big reduction in economy and business, yet a major extension and improvement of premium economy.
This was so interesting. Thanks!
Great vid. Good mix of past and future trend analysis.
Thanks! Very informative!
Really great job on the video
I love the growth of this channel!!!
Very informative . Thanks .
This is a great video, since I’m subscribed I saw the notification and immediately checked it out. It’s so informative yet so entertaining at the same time. It’s such an amazing video and I appreciate your work for it, though I am sad that you didn’t upload for a while. I hope you keep up all the great work. By the way I hope business class doesn’t actually disappear.
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Love these narration videos, please keep it up!
Outstanding video dude. Well done!
Welcome back, Dan. I hope the virus wasn't too hard on you and am glad to see you recovered.
Loved the video
Very informative, really enjoyed this format.
Wonderful documentary video Dan❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️... Loved it much
Very very nice video Dan, you kept it's concise and interesting!
Really good video, I was iffy about your hypothesis at first but you explained your point of view very well!
must say it is a very professional video! enjoyed that very much here
Superb video Dan. Thank you
Never been this early for a video. Love your work ❤️❤️
What an engaging and informative presentation.Many thanks!
Love ur presentation! :) Dan. 👍🛫
Good insight!
I like these informational type videos. Keep it up 👏
Very insightful video, Dan!
Great video, more videos analysing airlines and the industry would be awesome!
Great video Dan!
That was worth the wait!
Really enjoyed watching this - very intelligent analysis 👏👏👏
Loved this Dan. As a die hard avgeek it’s hard to hear. So many cabins and airlines I wanted to try out. I feel like I’m less likely to experience flights that my elders have. Thanks again for the video. Hope you’re safe and well :)
This video was so interesting ! Loved it
Informative and well produced video! I think you're right about business class and I believe it's clear that this has been coming for awhile. It's just the natural cycle of things is all :-) I, for one, like the idea of customizing my flight because it makes it more alike to other mass transportation which I think is necessary for aviation as it becomes more and more popular and accessible for everyone.
The key line in the video is "business is where most of the airlines revenue comes from". With drastically reduced business travel, so many routes will become unviable. This will result in a reduction in flights and unless someone figures out how to run a long-haul economy airline, more expensive flying for all of us 🙁
Great informative video Dan. Thanx :)
This was a great video!
In the aftermath of covid, I’ll probably find it hard to adjust to not having a lot of personal space on a flight. My flights going forward will mostly be in premium economy or business - this Build Your Own Business Class idea sounds great!
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Great video!
Been a long time since I watched any travel videos - Nice analyses of the future Dan!
Great insight. Very thought provoking 😎
Great discussion and video. Interesting ideas, post covid-19. I can't wait to see what happens when everything settles.
Thank you, Dan.
Well put together Dan!