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- Featured instructor Master Joseph Bautista of Legacy Filipino Martial Arts explains how they approach empty hand combat concepts. Known as Filipino Dirty Boxing in the West, the name goes by various names in the Philippines such as: Panantukan, Suntukan, Pangamot or Mano Mano. Each term varies based on the island region in the Philippines.
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Kudos! Pugay! Our pinoy instructors do speak a lot, in native Philippine languages...and in non-pinoy languages! We seem to have waited a long time to be heard and understood.
This is so different from other martial systems.
Pugay.
Thank you. That's what we're trying to do here. Promote FMA...no politics, just promote. This goes beyond a system or group. This is for the culture.
Pugay :)
Would love to see a series dedicated solely to Panantukan/Pangamot someday. Keep up with the informative and awesome content!
There's so many different variations that it would be difficult to categorize a specific style. Most instructors deal or teach conceptually as opposed to teaching a technique.
That would be fun and awesome!
It is all the same, with or without weapons, really. The sooner you realise this, the faster you will progress in your training.
Any of you that think "this stuff would never work in a real fight" may want to remember where this comes from . If it didn't work there would be nobody left to pass it on. This is a demonstration of techniques , not a sparring match or fight. so yea, the other guy holds still so things can be practiced safely . Trust me, they realize some people snap punches back , its all built into the movement. But some people DON'T snap punches back , or it's a push, or grappling . Not to mention the constant underlying factor in ALL Filipino stuff, the blade. You may pull your arm back, but that doesn't mean it's going to be in the same condition as before. Go try it out and see for yourself if it has something to offer or not.
Nicely said Sir
Appreciate your explanation, but it's hard to please everyone when they want to see a person actually get hurt to get a point across.
With all due respect and this is one of the arts that I trained in. As a matter of fact I was in a giant fight along with one of the people that taught me this as well as kali. Him and a person who knew boxing wreaked havoc.
That said, a good portion of this would not work in a real fight. I've been in real fights. I've used similar techniques in a fight. Like the one attacking the elbow. With marines and others. I get the origins of this stuff. But it's a different time. Even bjj now has stuff that wouldn't really work because people got showy. Also there are many flavors. Take in account people are more fight educated now.
A lot of what he's teaching here is not practical. I don't think people saying it's not want to see someone hurt in a demo. I've been in demos where for hapkido, self defense, MCMAP, TKD etc and I didn't get hurt. Pro's demo effective things all the time and don't hurt people. I think the comment was gaslightish.
I've trained in enough styles and been in enough situations to know this wouldn't work.
@ricksuarez5357 ah the good old I've been in many fights and could never make it work therefore it doesn't. Keyboard warriors move. Classic. I've made many of these work in Thai sparring. Did you just not sparr with this stuff? Like at all? Because he's literally doing mostly stuff like split and side entries. Have you tried thai sparring where you can actually grapple with striking?
@@ricksuarez5357I think your comment was gaslighting
I wish people could understand that people practice martial arts for various goals other than applying it in real life or compete. Mental and physical Health, Knowledge, fun, social… etc are also valid goals.
Stuff like PH dirty boxing and wing chun, JKD, while i do agree to certain degree that some of their technique are useless in real life, they are still a great martial arts that people of all age can practice for fun, knowledge, social interactions etc. dont discount certain martial arts just because you think cant work in mma or real life.
Some of the techniques do work in real life. Also us coaches gotta make that bread lol
That being said i also wish people can be better at differentiating between what works in real life and choreography.
I fought and am coaching muay thai and teach jkd/wing chun on the side.
Every drill/ technique regardless of style has its own time and place where it can work. People need to know that nothing is 100% full proof. So many counters out there.
@@Martialartsfan372 Oh yes every counter has a counter. It all depends on who is able to execute their counter during the fight.
Very innovative and good explanation Maestro Bautista. Sometimes instructors can’t explain or breakdown the movements step by step. You do a great job of teaching. Keep up the good work. Pugay.
It's all on how you learn and pass on knowledge. Explanation is key while demonstrating.
Thank you for the kind words! :)
Such a creative system. Everything is a target. The overkill insures a lease a few will impact. Love those game ending arm dislocations .like being run through a human pinball machine.thanks for sharing.
Hit what you can with whatever you can as many times as you can
Thanks sir 🙏
Filipino fighting doesn't block. There is no form but is fast and quick. The person who lost runs back home bloodied and comes back with a knife. The unarmed person first breaks a small branch from a bush, then picks a rock and the fight is on. Round 2. The person with a knife got clobbered could not sit straight nor stand up and still wielding the knife. Now his siblings showed up wants redemption against the other person with his friends. Round 3. When the smoke is going down the authorities arrive, 12 people have to be rushed to closest clinic. Rips clothes, black eyes, lumps, stab wounds, cuts, broken bones, missing a shoe/flip-flop, no shoes at all and missing a wallet. The onlookers on the other hand have the time of their life, drinking, laughing, criticizing those who were pulling hairs and others were biting.
True! 😂🤣
It sounds like a gang fight. No different from fights and quarrels in other countries.
classic stuff on the street bro.
@@FMAPulse This is no gang fight. This is a social gathering of people just to get rid of boredom. You don't want to be near or a witness of the gang fights in the Philippines. You don't want to be that guy in a wrong place at a wrong time.
I'm largely self taught. I had a friend teach me some Silat and Escrima and then I went off to college and worked the rest out with my friend from college. I know a concept from Northern Shaolin Boxing that is very effective for fighting. I don't like fighting. I mostly practice Taiji, Bagua and Xingyi these days. I'm learning Traditional Chinese Medicine from books!
Everyone has different priorities when training. Health and exercise, self-defense, community. It's difficult to train in something if there's nobody around to guide or mentor you, so we get it. With any martial art, if you're only access is through books and online media, you kinda have to put the pieces together yourself.
I love the way he demonstrates the strikes he looks so fluid and experienced
Master Joseph has been doing the martial arts for over 20 years. Not just FMA, but various systems. Well rounded and a good guy to learn from.
This is pure basic Kali, built into any Kali system. I agree with Mr. Byaeger, I come from the Sayoc tribe, it's pure and practical. Continue teach beautiful principles.
Thank you for the kind words. Pugay
Thank you for the support. People will judge what they don't understand.
Very nice video, excellent explanations and last but not least captions summarizing the salient point. You guys are foing a terrific job!
Thanks, all credit should go to our featured instructors. We're just providing the platform to highlight them.
Thank you for the kind words!
@@legacyfilipinomartialarts2872 ❤
Thank you!
Not a problem. Thank you for the support.
This is art is tuso, brutal effective if you want to live in deadly encounter learn this
Luv you’re explanation on these techniques Maestro Bautista… I teach KOMBATAN Mano- Mano with a blend of PANUNTUKAN , Full Contact Kickboxing, Jujitsu & No Gi Submission Grappling.. These are nice dirty moves Street ready PANUNTUKAN style , but adding Attributes Training in Real Full Contact Sports completes the circle for me & my students .. We can simulate all these dirty moves but Live Sparring with Contact teaches us many things that’s not in Theory practice. Real Fighters say , we can memorize any technique, but developing good attributes in Timing , Speed, Power , Learning Distance & keen judgment against a Live opponent in a sparring match will add success to these techniques ..Complete training in Self Defense is like both side of the coin , There’s the Heads & the tails side … THEORY with dirty moves & Live Sparring in Full Contact for Atrributes development . I am a fellow PANUNTUKAN Enthusiast , I luv your post brother .. Just giving my personal opinion on what’s on the other side of training in this Kickboxing/ Dirty / Boxing Art .. Nice post Maestro ..🙏
In his interview he mentioned that they pressure test the things they train in. From the weapons to empty hand and grappling. If you watch the VLOG they have a matted training facility in their space as well.
Very good teaching! The way and the pace you show and explain makes me to understand and copy.. I think your way to teach is like the saying "Slow make smooth, smooth becomes fast." This is the way I prefer to be taught.
Glad it was helpful! Sometimes doing it at speed, people can't see the movements or the instructor can't really explain it at the same time they're doing it. Step by step breakdown is important.
I agree with you. Not here to show off but rather to teach. This isn't a demo reel it is a teaching one. Love it
I agree. I hate going to a seminar/workshop where the "teacher" ends up showing off the whole time and then tells the group to try it out. Love the teaching format.
Despite its name, I see this as artistic in a great way, like there is beauty in the brutal forms of the discipline, and I understand its purpose with respect. Thank you for this showing of Dirty Boxing 🥊.
Fun stuff!
Yes, and serious stuff once you get the hang of it. Train safe.
It's a technique. For all you guys that want to judge it's good to have more in your arsenal. Even a good strike would knock out a bjj if he's not aware and fixed
Totally agree
Its really ironic. All the haters talking about the "arm wont stay outstretched" or "a boxer wouldn't stay there." Wonder if these "experts" understand that any good puncher knows to bring their hands back up to guard their face. So in this technique being taught it is being explored that as both punchers upon retraction could get tangled up on accident or on purpose especially after a hit to the face. And if the arms get tied up a few options are being presented. Options not absolutes.
Yes if you are able to counter the strike with a strike and are able to grab then these options may become available. Best to have a back up plan to the back up plan. Pretty much be familiar what options are available to you in that moment in time.
Well said. These people yapping should just make their own video or teach their own classes.
Nice combination sir
this is difficult to conscript, i made to simplify my course as long as they can ply on its designated unalerted adversaries
but nice complex from these one
It peaked my interest, a lil complicated..like my movements simple, effective and precise!!Keep posting luv to learn more about it!!!
Good
Nice...
But...it would've been nicer if there was at least one demontstration in real time speed without the "stop and explain" every strike(maybe once or twice is okay.).
Just one continuous uninterrupted flow to see how it looks like so you can see how many seconds it will take if the technique was applied real time.
I thought he was gonna do that at the end of the video
Awesome stuff. That stuff will definitely get you disqualified in a boxing match lol. Unless you make it look like an accident. Whoops 😝
LOL! I think when dirty boxing was developing in the Philippines, they had to figure out how to get around the boxing aspect. It's hard to stop hands once they start going. I like it when Master Joseph said you have to grab and hit, trap and hit...basically finding ways of preventing someone from reloading and firing punches.
It won't work. Boxers would not pause after a punch.
@@FMAPulse :)
Very nice sir
Thanks and welcome.
Nice! I also like to watch GM Baldissone for techniques. TH-cam is such a wealth of information:) Thank you:)
Our pleasure! Hope you can learn from others during your journey.
Wow❤
Nice👏
Indeed. 20 years and still going and growing.
Badass !
Glad you enjoyed it. Feel free to cross train with them if you're ever out in the Bay area.
Magnífic máster... 😮
We've known Master Joseph for over 12 years. The good thing about him is that he's always open and looking to learn new styles.
Very good👍🏾👊🏾
Thanks 💯. I'm sure Master Joseph and his students at Legacy appreciate it.
I like it.
Glad you appreciate it.
I love the potential application of the traps to Muay Thai 🥹
If it works then use it. Add it to any style if it works for you, go for it.
Sayoc Kali says Hello!
Greetings Sayok Kali. Would love to meet you guys. Where are you guys based out of nowadays?
In my area hard to find a school that teaches just basic self-defense classes.
Sorry to hear that. Where do you live? We might know someone in your area who teaches FMA.
@@legacyfilipinomartialarts2872 Thanks we live in Hunterdon county,NJ close to Washington Northwest side of NJ on the border of Easton, PA. (Leigh Valley). I have been searching our area for years mostly Taekwondo, karate, Gracie MMA & some boxing schools.
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@@FMAPulse Thank you.
Inosanto Academy stuff. It's good but this demo doesn't go deep enough into the counters after the first punch. All the bastos who are talking shit know nothing about up close fighting and grappling.
when too close your opponent could use his bad breath technique and create a long enough gap in your defenses to counter attack
Whatever works to gain an advantageous position. It's called biological warfare :)
It's nice to watch, but in real fights, punches are not thrown from that far and fighting distances are much closer.
Yea it will possibly work until you get punch in your face. Yes will work with a unskilled fighter.Too many steps. Lear a straight punch or left hook.Also, bring the person down to the ground with a level change then these techniques that are complicated will not work in a street fight.
Why add the foot trap on the southpaw side and not the orthodox when the advantage is with both since your matching your opponents stance
Asking as someone who competes in Muay Thai, is a bouncer snd knows nothing about this
The suntukan I learn in the street of the Philippines is to hit or to be hitted,do everything just to get a hit😂
Has pensado que si esto es para defenderse en la calle eso no te sirve.
Te explico primero un ataque no va hacer de uno a uno va hacer de más de un atacante .
Segundo los golpes no son de un boxeador el común de las personas golpea en forma errática y ocupa las dos manos no se queda parada para que tú ocupes tu técnica y lo segundo ocupan las dos manos .
Cons
Cideremos que el atacante varía en altura complexión ,fuerza y ajilidad ,no tomando en concideracion de las armas escondidas las cuales no ves asta que te golpean acuchilla corta etc...
Herick Sanchez haz tu proprio vlog maestro.porque eres muy inteligente,genial,genio,chevere,chido.... te esperamos
Parry a fighter trained in sensitivity drills at the wrist and you will eat an elbow…
Seems more Japonese that Phillipino especially the lock that you're using. For example where's the gunting ?
What constitutes "Japanese" from "Filipino" martial arts? Everything doesn't have to start with a gunting.
It bothers me that there are so many captains on a ship. The only technique that really works in actual situations is to take a gun and shoot the bastard on a distance of 5 meters. Drills in martial arts - even in MMA and street fighting - are made to practice and master this techniques so you can use the most effective part of the drill in a particular situation. That is what I have learned from the martial arts, I have studied. And that's a lot. So if you don't can see this, you understand nothing about the essence of every martial art on this planet. Don't pick on this FMA master. If you can do better, post that on you tube. I am very curious about your skills.
People don't carry guns 24/7 in the majority of countries on this planet.
Totally agree with you MDR
@mr1Specially for you my answer in Dutch. Nee, dat snap ik ook wel. Het gaat om het principe. Het feit dat je deze onzinnige opmerking plaatst, geeft al aan hoe weinig je van de echte wereld snapt. Welkom op deze planeet.
What makes FMA effective is the weapons used. Its solely reliant on blades and sticks.
FMA is always a weapons first approach, empty hand second, and grappling third. Keeping it on the feet to move around, avoiding the ground fight as much as possible.
Not solely, not at all. It was explained to me by my instructor that it's taught in a way that you can take away the weapon, and still be able to apply the technique empty handed and effectively.
The problem with what you are watching is this is not a great boxer demonstrating dirty boxing. My fellow martial artists are not going to pure Boxing gyms to train and fight, which is what the guys who used this stuff did.
They don’t understand the difference between them putting on Boxing gloves with each other, as tough of a time as it might be vs going to a real club that has fighters.
Nice little demo of the techniques of the art here. No offense intended as they are not trying to show off at all, but the real level is obvious to those who have fought a lot.
I am an Instructor certified by both RIP Sifu Larry Hartsell and Guro Dan Inosanto, so I an VERY familiar with all of the material here.
To much movement or complex movement is good at the eyes.. but failing to have a goal for protection is just like a demo,,, good for the eyes but bad for protection,, why filipino boxing done in western countries are done in a cinematic way? Lack of reality on protection..
because of culture retard FMA is pure street defense not a traditional martial art
As with many of these ideas, Who the hell is fast enough to risk such complex moves, when there are many more simple ones that have been proven to work time and time again.
But he can hit you. With his right hand
In any fight, nobody comes out unscathed
Hikite
Like most non reality based systems . The guy attacking holds the punch out for about five minutes and stands perfectly still. The defender retaliates with a fifty move combination. A (real/ clean) boxer would smash you up.
He is explaining smartass. You dont start with Newtonian Mechanics in grade 1 science, do you?
How is this dirty? Even karate does versions of this and I’ve seen it in king fu! And the reason kung fu doesn’t use head butt is because push hands would counter before you got to the head butt!
Not dirty not new!
It's dirty compared to western boxing forms. Hence "dirty boxing".
@@michaelcohen91 lol you mean hence dirty western boxing. Because boxing means only fist, only in western, and only with white westerners! You take that stuff and say boxing anywhere else and you will be laughed at. Btw a distinction has to be made because I run into people that think elbows, knees, biting, scratching and eye gouges are dirty. Only dirty fighting is concealed weapons and who cares if you lose cause you’re dead and if you win be proud! See no such thing!
@@davidkwong3369I hope you are not bashing this art.
@@atrainbrady3208 do people even read the subject anymore? How is this dirty! I come from an art that says nothing is dirty!
@@davidkwong3369 read the description before trying to sound smart 😊
Why would you think your opponent's arm would remain outstretched after he was punched in the face? This is an unnatural reaction. All these techniques are built on a shaky foundation and therefore won't work in a real situation, there's almost never such a speed advantage.
It's more of a circus than a technique for real-world use.
Pacquioa way of boxing is basically close to this technique if you have watch his fight, specially when on offensive moved. Pacman side step to the right evades his opponent jabs and left punch comes with it.
It's hard to find a martial arts instructor on TH-cam that's ever been in a real fight, against someone that actually fights back. While this guy concentrates on trapping the opponent's right hand and delivering complex attacks to his right side, he seems not to recognize that in a bar fight, his opponent would be throwing a left hook at his head, following up with a kick in the toys...
I can tell you that from brawls I've been in while in the military with marines... You're wrong. Oh yeah in a piss, beer and water lined floor, You're not throwing kicks.
Even out of the military when I had to run security with/for people at clubs. Actually a marine homie did get hit with a hook. It didn't do shit but make everyone at our vip table laugh and then run over before out friend killed the dude.
Why would he recognize a bar fight for this attack? And the version where he steps on the foot covers the kicking.
I don't totally like this specific technique personally. It's not comfortable. I don't like how it takes 2 limbs to control one. And you have to put too much work in to get hits and you're leaving yourself vulnerable. It's literally depending on the person not pulling his arm back and/or doing nothing.
I like simpler things. I would modify this to get a hit and/or just hyper extend or break the arm, low kick the dude and be out for the next person etc. I do not want to be that close to someone for a certain amount of time and with all do respect a lot of those punches aren't going to do much.
@@ricksuarez5357 Because the instructor is teaching a trainee to be a fighter, then I would expect the trainee's punches to be more effective maybe than that of an untrained, garden-variety drunk. That being said, if you'll watch Mike Tyson's first 11 professional fights, you'll see his hook punches knocked out every one of his opponents in round one. Good training makes a difference--I don't consider this instructor to be a good trainer. Like you've pointed out, he spent too much time worrying about one arm, when his "opponent" has two...
This is not one long continuous technique. An instructional video makes it seem this way, He’s demonstrating a bunch of independent options based on position and angle. That’s the teaching style with Joseph IRL- they’ll give you a bunch of option/stechniques- with the expectation that you’d put them together based on your own preference, body mechanics, and the flow of the fight. I studied with Joseph when he was teaching with Eskabo Daan- having come from a very different style. He’s really good at breaking down the mechanics.
Using two limbs to control one is a good idea when you’re small and the opponent is large. With 2 on one control, you can put the opponent off-balance which prevents the attacker to have a stable enough base to throw a strong punch.
@@dexsundry That's almost every art in existence. Forms, kata etc are basically a bunch of combos chained together. I was breaking it up. A lot of it is still not practical.
There's no flow of a fight. There's just people trying to end you and you them. It's really that simple.
Also in reference to your other comment. If you're a smaller opponent you DO NOT want to grab on to a bigger person... UNLESS you're used to it from BJJ, wrestling or you go in to get your hits and then move, etc. Reason being game over if you get snatched. I've seen it done.
And if you're using two limbs on 1 they're free to hit you with the free limb/s. Also you're too preoccupied to see anything else coming.
Nice except in real life that attacking arm will not be still for you to develop all these nice techniques.
Looks like the destructions from paul voonaks system.
He too comes from FMA under the Inosanto lineage.
А спросите этого дурачка, зачем он руку вытянул и держит её так? В реальной ситуации это всё бум, не пройдёт. Оболванивание обучающихся и развод на "бабки".
show that in sparring against someone who can also fight, that's just the same theory nonsense as all the fma stuff
When fighting at full speed, our even when sparring, the right arm never stays extended long enough to pull that off. I love the FMA but a lot of the stuff they teach lacks practical application unfortunately.
Go spar with Kali guy who is good with sticks and knives, your mma shit won't work
iT is BEST to jüst DODGE all the 1st hits like a coward Mayweather then MOCK üŕ *adversary* and say, #BROTHERwhereARTThou?
How is mayweather a coward, You compete
@jacobharris954 coward means one who cowers like one who bobs, weaves and ducks like a Mayweather go Left or Right 😆
@@jacobharris954 thank you! 😇 -#BROTHERwhereARTThou--?- NÖW FÜLFiLLED!
..too bad it doesn t work in real situations
Hey, nextime. Include pressure testing and stop that Aikido like BS demonstration. Times have change, no one's gonna believe that kind of complex stuff with a passive partner will make everyone interested in it. People nowadays wants reality.
It is almost like padwork does not exist in boxing
This is absolute nonsense. Just stick to regular MMA dirty boxing and not this nonsense.
iAM BAÜTiSTA also, one in the middle and one who meddles. 🤣 iT is better to keep out of *range* of the 1st hit then *grab* and proceed with the execution rather than move forward head 1st towards the fist! 👊😜 #apaksapaa✝️
This doesn't work at all
And what would work? How do you know?
1. He doesn't attack you, he stops half way through so you didn't need to handle his momentum 2. Your playing catching hands, if he uses a different angle or if the attacker knows how to handle timing you didn't have any chnace bc your focusing on the hand...you need to know how to protec your zone.
Everything is based on a concept and theory. This is just a demo.
What are the concepts? And what are there main purposes?
@@filipinokalieskrimaacademy2777 based on being able to hit the face and grab the arm. I am sure it isnt recommended to attempt the follow up without the hit and capture.
bullshido
@@lamelama12 Everything, too many not needed movements, to pull this shiit off you need somebody to just stand there with his hand in the air for 5 minutes. Let him go in an mma or a boxing gym where bare knuckle boxers train and let's see if he exits with his life
crap!
Go elsewhere please if you can't be civil.
you.go.to.k-1