EffOrt (Z) v Flash (T) on Fighting Spirit - StarCraft - Brood War REMASTERED

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  • @vanc.8178
    @vanc.8178 6 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    My brother got me hooked on this game back in '97. I'm 72 yrs old and I still enjoy playing it. Love your game reviews. Keep up the great job.

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thank you!

    • @Slechy_Lesh
      @Slechy_Lesh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What race do you play?

    • @surfyplayer8231
      @surfyplayer8231 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I thought it came out in 1998

    • @pnachtwey
      @pnachtwey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I am 67 and have been playing SC since the demo that only included about 5 scenarios. Before that I played WCII. I learn a lttie from these videos. Sometimes I see micro that is amazing fast but I see to many strategic mistakes. There is little if any positional play.

    • @AlexanderPalumbo
      @AlexanderPalumbo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You’re awesome man fellow baby boomer gamer I love it!

  • @SirFleetingFury
    @SirFleetingFury 6 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    Love the Brood War content, and your response to criticism is respectable. Keep up the great work!

  • @Price0fLove
    @Price0fLove 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    24:55 "The scourge are to smart". 2 Seconds later science facility half hp and no more scourge around :thinking: ;D

    • @jibbiddy
      @jibbiddy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If you watch closely you can see the scourge fly into it before he clicks away.

  • @InsanityPlea100
    @InsanityPlea100 6 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    For some reason these brood war games just feel... grittier... than sc2. Maybe its the older graphics or the lack of flashieness. But... ya. I like it. Also flash joke unintended.

    • @damian_madmansnest
      @damian_madmansnest 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Also the music.

    • @sexysalmon4411
      @sexysalmon4411 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Its beacause units ahve much more hp andess demege so they die slower and thats why batlles looks like more epick
      Also game is more balanced and units are almost always splitted on the map
      I play sc2 and i really enjoy but i love watching brood war batlles

    • @sexysalmon4411
      @sexysalmon4411 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But most important thing why batlles in brood war looks just great are reallu well designed maps
      Mals in sc2 are almost all the same maps in brood war are just amazing

    • @adrianbundy3249
      @adrianbundy3249 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It isn't that they die slower because of more hp or less damage Nadziej... The 12 control limit really puts a handicap on unit control for the massive engagements; making them develop slower most times - and thus, slower damage onset. As someone who has seen a lot of multicommand hacks for the original BW, and enough massive battle maps - I can tell you, even with default stats, they can die so quickly in the right circumstances, very much like SC2.
      Also, how the minerals structured - also speeds up the game for sc2. How bases are generally captured between the races in SC1 I think was the superior system, and it did make for generally more slower pacing.

    • @kurzackd
      @kurzackd 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      don't forget the sound effects too. It just **feels** so much more raw, real and in-your-face.
      SC2's visual effects are like a kiddie's picture book and its sound effects are like silenced farts.

  • @kaltashwawa
    @kaltashwawa 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    More broodwar!

  • @stellfallon3007
    @stellfallon3007 6 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Do the best of 7! We need more FlaSh! haha

  • @jesuschrist5788
    @jesuschrist5788 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Falcon! It's great that your channel in getting some more exposure. The criticism, I hope, is more constructive than not. Keep the Starcraft love going and you will be fine. Something that you have always done well is speaking clearly and with gusto. I'm sill here from the good ole days of Falcon Paladin, such humble beginnings. I hope that you and yours are hunky-dory. :)

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for supporting me for so long. :)

  • @Ricktofenable
    @Ricktofenable 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    i swear your the only one casting and narrating ...if you simply type in "brood war" your videos come up

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hmm I had no idea. That's helpful. :D

  • @259
    @259 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    That last game was a almost a perfect example of what happens when you fail to keep the science vessel count down before the late game comes. With high enough numbers they just counter every strategy the zerg usually tries against terran.

  • @510polo
    @510polo 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    KEEP DOING BROOD WAR!!!!!! This is the best channel I can find with BROOD WAR in ENGLISH. Keep up the great work and don't let peoples negative comments change your great work. There are thousands of people that watch these still and subscribed because of your brood war videos like me. Your doing great already, I say just keep doing what your doing because it's working and you have loyal subscribers watching just your brood war videos. It's your account though, hopefully you decide to continue doing them for your subscribers. Have a great day man!

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh, I'll keep it up. Thanks for the encouragement. :D

    • @510polo
      @510polo 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Falcon Paladin no problem, I'm still here and still watching every brood war video that goes up! Keep up the amazing work bro!

  • @iamthem.a.n.middleagednerd1053
    @iamthem.a.n.middleagednerd1053 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Falcon Paladin, I love your casting. You have wonderful energy and you're very entertaining. Keep up the good work. Since everyone seems to be making suggestions i have one. Could you check weapon and armor upgrades more often? I like to know who has the advantage in battle.

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'll try. Thanks for the feedback. :)

    • @iamthem.a.n.middleagednerd1053
      @iamthem.a.n.middleagednerd1053 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Falcon Paladin Thanks for responding? Did you ever cast that epic hour-long game between firebat hero and savior?

  • @FaustNoa
    @FaustNoa 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Falcon I keep finding your "older" content through youtube suggestions, and I think you are the sole SC:BW caster in 2019 because TH-cam has failed to recommend anyone else.
    Please keep doing this if you can continue to find replays, this is my favorite passtime at work

  • @MarktheRude
    @MarktheRude 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Broodwar is far more interesting than SC2. SC2 feels bit boring due to "who makes first mistake loses" in comparison to SC:BW's "who makes least amount of mistakes wins".

  • @elishashmalo3731
    @elishashmalo3731 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love all your content, glad your being discovered :)

  • @salsashark4133
    @salsashark4133 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'll never get tired of bw or Bisu, keep up the good work my man

  • @ronaldjosafat324
    @ronaldjosafat324 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You can post best of 5 or 7.. But you have to post 2 videos sc1 sc2 for that day hehe... Deal?

  • @DanielMartinez-nw1pn
    @DanielMartinez-nw1pn 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait a freaking minute... There's a DUDE in the turret??? For my entire life I've always thought they were automatic turrets!!! :0000

  • @brian7087
    @brian7087 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When I started watching this video I thought to myself, "man I wish he'd cast full series!" And then you mentioned it! I'm all for it. It's awesome to see the full picture.

  • @Guinea54
    @Guinea54 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Flash makes everything look easy.. It's crazy how hard it is to play against zerg and dark swarm but he makes it look like dark swarm is a shitty spell.

  • @detrockcity3
    @detrockcity3 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    A lot of the critiques are silly, but they're right about the mini-map. Gotta catch that action. Sometimes you're trying to check upgrades or focusing on production tabs instead, which is where the frustration comes, but that said...hope you know you're hella appreciated and overall it's been good work.

  • @petaakolarov135
    @petaakolarov135 ปีที่แล้ว

    Big fan of the channel Falcon! I recently got back into Broodwar remastered and found your channel! I love it 😅
    I played starcraft back in 99 when I was 7 years old on my dad's thicc monitor screen and windows 98 😂

  • @HypherNet
    @HypherNet 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I found you looking for BW remastered content. Awesome to relive my childhood in HD and amazing skill from these pros. Please keep the BW commentary coming, and you seem to do a fine job in terms of game knowledge, only way to get better is to practice, and I'll enjoy watching the process. Cheers.

  • @shawnberry760
    @shawnberry760 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool sneaky 2fer! Keeps it surprising! I didn’t want to say interesting because all games in brood war are interesting already! Cool “rump shaker” reference! Lol

  • @josephrishel5634
    @josephrishel5634 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn nigga, your shit is good, just happy to find some of these vids in English. Relax about the boo-hoo about peeps who thing you should improve.

  • @alexander_nunezf
    @alexander_nunezf 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is not necessary of you to pay attention.to.the.minimap all the time, only you.have to have at hand a written list of time points when.important skirmishes happen having watched.the game many times before.That's it.

  • @chrischavez8396
    @chrischavez8396 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DOING.

  • @Toastiaa
    @Toastiaa 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Since you mention it I personally would watch best of 5s and 7s...I’m only here for brood war so I’m biased :p

  • @emerywheeler4518
    @emerywheeler4518 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why'd they make the medics so difficult to distinguish from the marines? They were supposed to think of that before they released it.......

  • @damian_madmansnest
    @damian_madmansnest 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just discovered your Broodwar casts a day ago. Great that you are still doing it. Your commentary really made me appreciate Pro SC matches.

  • @muffinbucketman
    @muffinbucketman 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for your casting. Your style is actually reminiscent of Husky and HDStarcraft. Keep up the great content!

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're very welcome. :) Thanks for watching!

  • @BigManWithAGun794
    @BigManWithAGun794 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Falcon, I think your doing a good job man. Your a breath of fresh air in the casting scene in my opinion; I hope the comments don't get too heavy on you, I can assure you there's a lot of us who would agree with my opinion as well.

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, Kennet. :) I don't let the negative comments get me down too much.

  • @MrKULVIS
    @MrKULVIS 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    your doin fine man. Keep learning and tell the haters to piss off and go watch the game on there own client if they dont like you.

  • @89turbomk3
    @89turbomk3 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The scourge are too smart to attack the science facility, proceeds to attack the science faclility

  • @Jamesmarkle67
    @Jamesmarkle67 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I find its rare that someone can take constructive criticism as well as you do! RESPECT!
    BTW your videos are awesome.

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, James! I hope I'm getting better every day!

  • @larryrokou4061
    @larryrokou4061 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow

  • @bubek1888
    @bubek1888 ปีที่แล้ว

    Falcon, You're doing great. For me it's pleasure to watch this fights with Your comment:) greets form Poland

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! And greetings from the United States!

  • @mannymanito1787
    @mannymanito1787 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you are a great caster FP, listen to everyone but work only for your love of SC

  • @rocco6425
    @rocco6425 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Simply put, true mastery of BW is just more impressive than true mastery of SC2. I can't even watch SC2 after getting into BW
    More BW. And you are a good caster, one of the best. You may even get to Tasteless/Artosis level someday if you keep posting dank BW vids.

  • @chrispoole8630
    @chrispoole8630 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro it’s all good. We all get better with 2 years on the job!

  • @flappy7373
    @flappy7373 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    more bw!
    collaborate with more knowledgeable casters to support you!
    you have great casting skills, so a brood war encyclopedia type person would shore up any of your shortcomings to produce nice content.
    just something to consider..

  • @kevinswift8654
    @kevinswift8654 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    First time seeing a Firebat in Remastered, zoomed in. Beautiful. Also, Flash was sort of BM with those vessels at the end there. Lol. Running around with no protection using them as weapons in and of themselves. Effort finally GG'd at the last "eraser" irradiate.

  • @111jkjk
    @111jkjk 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember the first time seeing wall offs and vulture jumping through pylons and being mind blown. Oh and the stop lurkers..

  • @nikitakljukin2233
    @nikitakljukin2233 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey mate!
    Thanks for the great work and commentaries on the Remastered! Really appreciate it! Seems like there are not many youtubers who still do the oldschool.
    In any case, you've been saying that you appreciate the comments and hints from the community. Here are few tips on how really great guys were commenting on the original Broodwar:
    Check out the channels like VioleTAK, moletrap, KlazartSC, Diggity SC, NukeTheStars, HDStarcraft. They have a ton of value regarding commenting on the builds and strats that were done in the day; and the small things that you'll be able to incorporate in your own commentaries. Maybe You'll find it useful. Whatever the case, let me know.
    Cheers and keep up the good work!

  • @davidstud3952
    @davidstud3952 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    is there one aspect that isn't totally OP about science vessels?
    mobility, hitpoints, spells itself, cheapness of spells, speed,....
    always have to rage about them, altough i love BW games

  • @MahajiHaji
    @MahajiHaji 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brood War Remastered: ayyyyyy
    Warcraft 3 Remastered: ewwwwwww

  • @Crosmando
    @Crosmando 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Falcon, why is Restoration or Optical Flare flare not used in MP? Useless?

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Most pros don't want to take the time/resources to research those, and would rather use the energy on healing.

  • @killazz13
    @killazz13 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Only here for Broadwar games, too bad its only once a week.

  • @jesuschrist5788
    @jesuschrist5788 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    P.S. You can follow units in remaster for smooth scrolling with army. Right click a unit to follow it.

  • @berest9154
    @berest9154 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    @2020 comment =>
    is that doable like a series of casting on any major past tournament?
    As with past caster, they don't have production tab, drones' count and most of them are speaking in korean.

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, you can load old replays in the current Brood War client and get the production tab and worker count and stuff.

    • @berest9154
      @berest9154 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FalconPaladin I mean maybe you could make a series of ASL, especially S8 quarter/semi/final ?

  • @MrBest029
    @MrBest029 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Could you please move move your mouse a little bit slower.

  • @detrockcity3
    @detrockcity3 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What happened to the Science Facility was on screen lol

  • @Quincy_Morris
    @Quincy_Morris 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    26:33 you vs the guy she tells you not to worry about

  • @masterSageHarpuia
    @masterSageHarpuia 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    in regards to the minimap, Husky went all the way to pulling up another monitor and have it display only the minimap so he wouldn't miss stuff.

  • @BJ-uh2ww
    @BJ-uh2ww 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the broodwar content, I also like seeing fastest map possible content, I know sometimes these pros have played on the big money maps and it's fun to see what they can do with them.

  • @pep9s
    @pep9s 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Also take in account that tastosis just cast, they dont control what they see, there are people specialized on that, so separate what you have to do, be a good viewer and then be a good caster.

  • @Nixissus
    @Nixissus 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for casting these good old brood war games, I really enjoy it! I do wish, however, that you go easier on the zooming in and out and lowered your scrolling speed. Thank you and keep up the good work!

  • @ricksexton8888
    @ricksexton8888 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    love your cast, going back and watching all of them. starting from your oldest going to your newest. :)

  • @devvy-8279
    @devvy-8279 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nature of the beast, brood war is just popular among the old guard who played it. For the record your brood war vids are the only ones I watch lol.

  • @SocietyOfTheLiftedLorax
    @SocietyOfTheLiftedLorax 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    maybe a stopwatch to see if its the same as gameclock

  • @mizaelenciel
    @mizaelenciel 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe it is just a impression, but the last hit from lurkers ( before die ) seems to be a lil more powerful, isnt it?

  • @lonewolf2245
    @lonewolf2245 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Falcon Paladin is the most important watch of the day. Gets you prepped for work. :)

  • @JJtoutcourt
    @JJtoutcourt 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    omfg !
    drones have claws ! I though it was teeth !
    edit: omfg there's a dude on the missile turret ??!

  • @davidgriggs5318
    @davidgriggs5318 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve been watching your brood war replays for a few days now. I love the remastered client ones so much more. Please do a series of games, preferably Jaedong!

  • @pasildan455
    @pasildan455 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is not fighting spirit buddy, anyway good job with your commenting.

  • @nathankretzmer8259
    @nathankretzmer8259 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey, I posted something similar on an old video, but I’m not sure if you saw it. Although your broadwar casting has gotten a lot better, I still recommend Day9’s video series teaching Starcraft. I think it will help you a lot. Please keep casting these!

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I hear you, and I'll do my best to watch some of those in the next couple of weeks. I appreciate the support. :)

  • @pyrokinetikrlz
    @pyrokinetikrlz 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    keep up the BW casts!

  • @michaelleone4129
    @michaelleone4129 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You’re doing fine, I think you do as well as the ones I watch from the OSL and MSL replays.

  • @jaywhite9028
    @jaywhite9028 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    game is much better being drunk

  • @kissshawn
    @kissshawn 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    effort do it again after 8 years lol

  • @randygonzalez6250
    @randygonzalez6250 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Falcon jinx is strong

  • @szebike
    @szebike 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    PLZ more Broodwar you are doing a great job ^^ I always have to wait an entire week .

  • @jasonmoore6810
    @jasonmoore6810 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude love your videos don't feed the trolls you are getting better 👍

  • @michaeltrusiak1014
    @michaeltrusiak1014 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol... No more Brood War replays that involve Flash, because I already know who will win; Flash!

    • @89turbomk3
      @89turbomk3 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Michael Trusiak he loses to effort atleast half the time

  • @BaiYu1983
    @BaiYu1983 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:15 680+ APM by effort...

  • @michaelleone4129
    @michaelleone4129 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the brood war casting! The more the better Falcon please. Thanks

  • @mastyer0fReality
    @mastyer0fReality 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This isn't fighting spirit is it?

  • @dunkelctankwie8019
    @dunkelctankwie8019 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    alot of views... 4 views, hope you get 50k soon!

  • @andyram27
    @andyram27 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please keep casting bw. You're one of my fav casters. Don't let the naysayers discourage you. The content is unique, no one else is doing it.

  • @Lubet0TheGreat
    @Lubet0TheGreat 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cast more broodwar.... in the sake of your family
    JK

  • @debit256
    @debit256 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    @24:50 yes the scourge did suicide into the sci facility building

  • @mizaelenciel
    @mizaelenciel 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    26:38 lol 'yes you'll start to hurt me but not before you diiie!' lol

  • @rossneary3957
    @rossneary3957 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude, in the short time you've been doing this, you have gotten a lot better at casting. Kudos

  • @just1MANdog
    @just1MANdog 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    For the algorithm!

  • @MrKrinkelz
    @MrKrinkelz 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice casting duude you are keeping us entertained

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks a bunch! Good to hear!

  • @sindobrandnew
    @sindobrandnew 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    EffOrt handles situation very well.

  • @thesparkiscool
    @thesparkiscool 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Take my comment :D

  • @jnerdal
    @jnerdal 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Time for a reWatch... Yeah Buddyyyyy

  • @tagaEskinita
    @tagaEskinita 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    good casting man, i actually like your small-talk.. makes the cast less boring

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, Comrade! That's the idea, really. :)

  • @lesponge88
    @lesponge88 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    TPCornholio here! You're great dude, I'm a fan!

  • @felonniuss
    @felonniuss 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:55 420 position

  • @darincardin
    @darincardin 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mr Paladin, I've noticed several people saying you are a black belt in karate. Is this true?

  • @1love0ov
    @1love0ov ปีที่แล้ว

    Flash wins

  • @IMINSANIAC
    @IMINSANIAC 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you falcon paladin, nice uploads. keep up the great work!!!

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, HK-47! You're my favorite homicidal robot for sure.

  • @mdcynyay
    @mdcynyay 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you say "Brood Lord" at 4:32?

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh probably. I get my SC2 and BW terms mixed up from time to time. Getting better at keeping the terms separated, though. I think. Thanks for watching!

  • @robertmurry1442
    @robertmurry1442 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    but yeah dude... minimap awareness... practice makes perfect

    • @robertmurry1442
      @robertmurry1442 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      thank you for your stream tho. i enjoy watching

  • @jgerbrands667
    @jgerbrands667 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd be down to see the rest of the best of 7

  • @adrid951
    @adrid951 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I dont like that zoom
    Watch the game normal bro.

  • @euphotix
    @euphotix 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keep doing it love the replays!!

  • @Kurchack
    @Kurchack 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for another great cast Falcon P

  • @wangshuzhu7922
    @wangshuzhu7922 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    is there plugin for worker count in replay

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not that I know of.

    • @wangshuzhu7922
      @wangshuzhu7922 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Falcon Paladin new client now shows worker count. Saw that in asl thought it was plugin ; )

    • @FalconPaladin
      @FalconPaladin  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ohhhh yeah of course. There's not a plugin, just the updated client has it. This replay is from 2018, before the update.