I know this might not be the type of content that draws the most attention around embargo lifts but it is actually so valuable for people realistically looking into building with a processor. Thankful for some unique and relatable content on review drop that's not just blasting the chip with a 4090 in 1080p...
For some of us... After knowing that the 9800X3D is worth for upgrading. This is the most useful and I have always ending coming back to this channel to see if my cooler fits in any given case, to check if a new cooler is compatible with the some socket or for today if the 120 watts that this cpu draws will be OK with my budget air cooler for full ATX or mini-itx builds
@@Horstelin the comment is more regarding a refreshing difference in the topics of reviewing the product, not undermining the necessity of those benchmarks mentioned.
I managed to snag a 9800X3D this morning, before they sold out everywhere. I'm doing a new build with an Asrock Nova X870E, 64gb DDR5 6400 and a D15 G2 cooler with PTM 7950. I've had all the other parts sitting in a pile for a while, so I'm really exited to have the CPU ordered now. I tried out the PTM 7950 on my 5900X and it's performing a little bit better than MX-6 right out of the box! Hard to say how much it's improving over time, because I have to measure sound too, with my fan curves. Initial testing showed a 2-4c reduction, while also dropping 1-2db. I also setup a new Fractal North XL, with four Noctua 140mm G2 fans and have been running it with my existing 5900X system for several weeks now. I'm VERY happy with it!
It’s not going be sold out everywhere. CPUs in gaming as in demand as you may think. In fact the last gen isn’t max out, and unless you have a 4090….. this isn’t a must have day 1……. Not mention no big games, that are cpu heavy released around this time…..which is the entire point of all this…..the gam3s
Such a good practical video. The insights with 120mm and single towers is helpful. Im helping my nephews build rigs for the holidays. These small differences make a big buying difference.
I'm really interested to know if 9800x3d's power efficiency can be further improved with PBO CO negative offset and power limiting. Cooling this thing while it's running in 65W Eco Mode shouldn't be a problem for the majority of low profile coolers out there it's just how much performance will one lose (if any) going this route.
I'm running a 9800x3d under a NH-D15 (but only a single fan due to RAM clearance unfortunately) in a Lian Li A3, by default the temps were easily hitting 95c. Undervolting the CPU in a curve optimiser to negative 30, and now my temps generally hit upto 85, but mostly below 70c, also runs slightly faster too. This chip is legendary at undervolting, highly recommend!
I have mine in a 6L case and I'm using a Thermalright AXP120-X67 with a 140mm thin Silverstone fan replacing the 120mm. I've got it setup to exhaust instead of intake since that worked best for my application. With a 7800X3D with PBO and CO -30, in a 30 minute Cinebench R23 test it scored 16597, swapping to the 9800X3D with PBO and CO -30 it improved to 22422. It doesn't show to ever thermal throttle in HWinfo, but it does run at the 95C limit the entire test and peaked at 146W.
glad you did this but i was hoping you woukld show the othe coolers too ID-Cooling IS-67-XT BLACK 120mm ID-Cooling FROZN A610 BLACK 120mm DeepCool DC-AK620-DIGITAL-PRO AK620 Digital 120mm
This is very helpful, not many channels talk about minimum required cooling, especially not so quickly after launch, but cooling matters to actual consumers. Just a small asterisk: you mention requirements between heavy multi-core workloads and gaming scenario's are different, but there's a lot of games that hit the CPU hard at all cores while shader caching. It's not massively impactful as it would just clock down a bit on smaller coolers and take slightly longer, but it's also not non-existing for gaming scenario's in that sense. Massive nitpick though. Thanks for your work!
Sure thing and point well taken. It’s more of a broad recommendation, for most gaming uses I would expect somewhere around 65-75W, higher than that doesn’t change the calculus too much unless one is truly on the fringe with their cooling solution.
I use the thermalright peerless assassin 120 (bequiet light wing fan swap), paired with the thermalright contact frame to cool my 9800x3d, paired with a 7900xtx at 4k. If i do a pure undervolt i see temps 45-50c during long gaming sessions. If i do an undervolt+5.4 overclock i see a small jump up to 55-60c. At undervolt+5.7 overclock i see 65-70c. I once seen it hit 80 during timespy, at 100% utilization, but its almost guaranteed you will never see that kind of utilization or temps during gaming. Edit, all of these temps were with my ambient temp around 75-80F.
I‘m glad you recommended the Atmos 240. I’m running this exact cooler inside my Dan A4 H2O and can’t wait to throw the 9800X3D in there (if I can actually get my hands on one).
not as interesting as the benchmarking results but honestly it is a nice change of pace to see how it'll stand against coolers that aren't the standard 360mm form factor, liquid freezer or nh d15 2nd gen.
Thing is, this chip will be at 20-40% utilization during gaming. Cooling wont be an issue. I run a low pro scyth on my 5800x3d. Its between 60-70c gaming on a 1440p monitor with a 7900xtx. Max settings. This should run cooler with the cashe on the bottom.
I would love that, it's basically the biggest you can go in the Terra if you go with a 4080 or a 4090 and the full copper version could maybe potentially just handle it?
Since I had a Ryzen 2700X thru to my 5900X my Noctua NH-U12A has been plenty of cooling. It's not now. I noticed my new 9950X is hitting 95C when I was testing it with Cinebench R23. I have nerfed it to a 90C limit while I look at cooling solutions that can dissipate a higher TDP. My old air cooler might be able to cool a 9800X3D though, but it would be marginal. I am not even sure a 360mm AIO will prevent it going over 90C when stress testing. Not a problem for normal use though. There are very few applications that push it that hard.
U12A will be more than enough for the 9800X3D. I’m kind of curious about the performance with 9950X actually, I would think it would be better. Two questions- what’s your case/airflow setup and did you get the new offset mounting bars from Noctua?
The limitation isn't the radiator surface area. The main bottleneck for heat transfer currently on 7000/9000 series is the real thick IHS. Direct die cooled at stock settings the 9800X3D doesn't break 55C even in cinebench. At 5.6GHz overclocked, it maxes out at 65C. Check out Der8auer's video. If you really care about temps, consider at least a high performance heat spreader or direct die cooling.
Thanks for this. I'm planning to put it in the Fractal Ridge and I was worried about putting it under a 67mm cooler. Guess I had nothing to worry about since I will rarely be doing multicore workloads.
purchased full copper axp90-x53 and ordered deepcool FP9 slim with increased static pressure, cannot wait to see how much power it will be ready to draw :)
I just went with an Arctic LF3 420mm and PBO undervolted my chip. If I loop Cinebench for 30 minutes it goes up to 85C. 5 year warranty means at least 1 CPU swap and who knows if 16 cores for gaming will be a thing in the future.
The CoolerMaster 212 doesn't have enough cooling due the gaps between the pipes on the plate and also the heatpipe count. I think a 90mm dual tower cooler with full copper plate will outperform it. For air cooling high power CPUs I use the Snowman BM6000.
I’ve got the the ROG Crosshair X870E Hero latest bios and the Ryzen 7 9800X3D, Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360 Black, G Skill Ultra Low Latency cl28 6000MHz 2x16gb with direct memory cooling, Samsung 990 Evo Pro 2TB M.2, Asus RTX 4080 Super, Corsair rm1000x 80 gold plus fully modular and for the PC case the Corsair 7000D and holy ish after delidding the CPU the temps dropped almost 20c no joke it also helps to have my AC at 69 degrees 24/7. This rig is strictly for gaming I’m so happy with it.
Interested to see how the 9800X3D does with a negative offset in Curve optimizer. -10, -15, -20, -30 if even possible. I wonder if it could hit full boost clocks at 88 watts.
I got 5800xd and playing on 1440p so this cpu would give me pretty much 5 more fps. So no rush at all. I bet this rock will serve fine for next 4-5 years.
This video definitely helps with my upcoming build! Kind of wish you show temps for a larger air cooler but you did mention that Peerless assassin which I did get so hopefully everything will be fine
Yesterday I had someone specifically ask how well this CPU might do in a mITX case with a low profile cooler. Then this popped in my feed so I immediately shared it.
Ive got a 9800x3d still in the box, is it worth waiting for the b850 boards? Im looking to do an SFF/MSFF build in a dan a3 or Ncase M2. We dont have much choices with the b650 stock waning here in Australia, choices largely limited to the Msi Mag Mortar Matx, Gigabyte B650M AORUS ELITE AX, and Strix b650e-i
Very good info to have, I'm a big fan of air cooling and by all metrics, an upgrade from my i7-12700KF actually wouldn't be that much of a problem at all. There's certain games that have annoying CPU bottlenecks at 1440p with my chip and my 4070 Ti is literally made for 1440p gaming, so I'd get excellent gains in many of my favorite games, not to mention future proofing and moving to DDR5. This info was one of the last data points I needed since my current cooler should easily be enough and IF i decide to start doing some crazy all core workloads...then I can always upgrade :D
Thank you for a great test! How do you think, Deepcool AK500 Digital will be enough for 9800X3D? :) Don't want to cover RAM with bigger one and don't want an AIO :)
Apparently the undervoting performance can be insane with this chip (if you get a good one) Would be interested to see how the L12S handles in an optimised setup.. 🤔
Did you test the 9800x3d in the ncore 100 max? That's my exact case with the 120mm thick radiator aio. I'm planning on upgrading to the 9800x3d for gaming and wanted to know the max temps with it
So I have a Corsair 4000D Airflow and a Noctua NH-U12A, as well as 5 Noctua NFA12x25 Fans (3 Front, 1 Back, 1 Top). It currently cools the 5800x3D no problem whatsoever. If I ever get a 9800x3D, this setup should do fine right?
Yeah no doubt. Sorry I forgot to mention this one. The U12A is more like a dual tower in performance since it has a top in class heatsink plus two of the best 120mm fans on the market.
I am looking at this CPU for mainly gaming but also intensive audio production. Do you believe an aircooler is enough to get by? Something like a Peerless Assassin 120 or Frost Commander 140. Would love to hear your thoughts.
If your going to be doing and kind of work station and gaming you might want to wait for the 9950x3d. That being said, my peerless assassin keeps my 9800x3d nice and cool.
I'm really torn. my 5800x3d build was in an absolutely massive case with a custom loop and two 360 mm radiators. in all honesty. I kind of hate it. I am really thinking about doing a compact build on air this time around. I just don't know. i dont know what to do xD I suspect i have about 3 weeks to decide before my preorder gets filled given my past experience with amazons overly cautious backorder dates.
Very cool review! I'm going to build my first pc soon, I'd like to build it myself (following a tutorial of course) and I'd like to avoid liquid cooling because I'm a bit scared of the maintenance it requires. So, for mostly gaming air cooling is going to be enough? Is the CPU able to self regulate? Or if I'm going to use just air cooling, should I look for a 7800x3d? Or maybe I can stop fearing liquid cooling...
Should be a great fit, you will see higher fan speeds at full load since it’s a single fan cooler, but it will work well and will be very quiet for gaming.
Indeed, the good dual towers such as what you have, and others like the PA120, D15 will all perform similarly to a 240, as will a good single tower like the Noctua U12A. I tested smaller air coolers for a little more value added to the discussion.
Like I said before: If u play benchmarks the entire time uising a "gaming cpu". Yeah... Those small coolers will st ruggle hard. But If u just play ur games u will never struggle with these things. I'm using the 9800X3D with my 4070 Super in the Fractal Terra and the CPU temps in games never hiots the 70°C. Maybe the summer is coming here in europe. But there is enough headroom. I mean no suprise if u constantly hit 120 (without co more like 140) watts through such small coolers, that they get hot :)
Hi, that was an interesting and would like your advice as I'm hesitating about the type of cooling. I'm planning to do a mini-ITX build with a Lian Li TU150 and if I go with a watercooling AIO, I have only space for a 120mm fan which if I remember it right, there was a manual saying it has to be placed in front. I have room to add two fans at the bottom and one fan at the rear. Do you think an AIO is good for this kind of case with 9800X3D CPU or is it better with a tower? And if you have specific models?
If you have the TU150 I would go for a big tower cooler, they also work well with the airflow setup for the case. The most cost effective are ones like Thermalright’s PA120 and Phantom Spirit 120, these will give you performance closer to a 240mm AIO without the form factor restrictions. The TU150 is more geared towards air cooler clearance so you might as well take advantage of that!
@@MachinesMore Thank you so much for your advice. Just to be sure, an AIO 120 is not ideal then? I was thinking about the Asus ROG Ryuo 120 at first, with the screen for displaying temperatures and stuff. For tower fan, I heard Noctua had the best fan but you think Thermalright's models are better?
I'm planning on getting a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE cooler for my 9800X3D (whenever that happens - sometime this month). Since I won't be OC'ing it, and I won't use it for anything beyond games, (so no apps that'll push all core workloads to max), it should be fine?
Additional data point for you: I'm running a Scythe Fuma 3 air cooler with 3 fans, idle is 42*, 88* in Cinebench at 165W (throttles at 95*), 22* (72F) ambient. Gaming load is super-light in comparison.
Can you add to your homework as well this combo? Thermalright axp120 x67, with silverstone air slimmer 120 fan and noctua nt-h2 thermal paste? In a lot of posts I saw that this was the best performing combo for < 70mm cpu cooler height (best used to fractal design ridge). Thanks
@ the great thing about that case is that it is able to house both 240/280mm AIO’S well also at the same time accommodate the biggest GPU’S possible (think 4090 Strix). There are currently not many ITX cases that are able to do that. It is very pricey though
Wonder how the 9800x3d will fare with 140mm AIO? Eyeing the coolermaster core n100, it's not the best case, not the cheapest, but it's vertical, tiny desk footprint, room for huge gpu, very easy itx build.
The Ncore 100 max I assume? It uses a thick rad 120mm AIO which should be sufficient for the 9800X3D all full power but as mentioned you won’t have much headroom for higher ambient temps or simultaneous GPU usage during full CPU load. The case also prioritizes GPU cooling so the intake path for the rad is not as direct as it could be. I would expect temps closer to the 90-95 degree range at full load.
@@MachinesMore since I'm playing 3440*1440 and doing AI stuff on the side (mostly GPU), I guess it'll be ok. And the PC is in a basement room, it's always colder than ambient. I hope one day we have a case where the radiator and fans are OUTSIDE the case, protected with a dust filter.
Hey, I ordered the 240mm Atmos recently. Is replacing the fans necessary, useful at all? For both small cases like the h20 and bigger cases like the nr200.
Not necessary at all, the stock fans are quite good. If you are chasing every last degree then yes you can upgrade, I have used NF-A12x25 and Phanteks T30 on that rad with great results.
This is an awesome video!! Super exactly what I was looking for. I have a the NCASE T1. Loved your review on it, and im glad to hear the 9800x3d should be able to push gaming only work loads. Will you be willing to do a direct review of the 9800x3d in the T1?
Hello, first time commenting (I think). I'm helping a friend put together a system and hes eyeing the 9800x3d, do you think it would work well with the A620I Lightning? Thanks for the video coverage!
Cheers! I believe Asrock's version of the A620I can support up to 120W TDP AM5 CPUs (unlike others that are 65W TDP only), so on spec it is fine, if you really really wanted to min/max then that could in fact be OK (assuming I'm remembering correctly on the TDP spec for the board). That being said, this is a $480 CPU, so personally I would recommend at minimum a B650I board here, you will get more granular control of PBO settings, better and more IO, and I think it would be money well spent to pair with at least something like Asrock's B650I (which is still light on IO however). My two typical recommendations for B650 ITX are MSI and Asus's, I think those are the most complete boards, even though more pricey, you get the IO you need, and those are the two BIOS implementations I prefer as well. We will have B850 rolling in very soon as well, so there will be more options.
So you're saying a 9800x3d would work in a Mini itx case, losing just a tiny amount of Mhz. But how does this work for a 7800x3d in a Mini itx case using Noctua NH-L12S ?
Just picked a 9800x3D up from my local MC, but worried the ID cool IS 55 won't be good enough to cool this CPU, which then begs the question if I should just return and exchange for a 9700x instead.
Depends on how you use it. Under gaming loads 9800X3D actually draws less power. For heavy all core loads for sure the IS-55 will be too little cooler for the 9800X3D, while it will work great for the stock (65W TDP) 9700X.
Had a typo in the chart at 9:11- the IS-30 is thermally throttling and the temp number should read 95.2, not 92.2.
in 3D cpu above 80* can damage cash
I know this might not be the type of content that draws the most attention around embargo lifts but it is actually so valuable for people realistically looking into building with a processor. Thankful for some unique and relatable content on review drop that's not just blasting the chip with a 4090 in 1080p...
Awesome, glad it’s helpful!
Absolutely agree with you. Thanks to the M&M for clearing things up. Now I could relax by choosing PH 120SE and not worry about temperatures
For some of us... After knowing that the 9800X3D is worth for upgrading. This is the most useful and I have always ending coming back to this channel to see if my cooler fits in any given case, to check if a new cooler is compatible with the some socket or for today if the 120 watts that this cpu draws will be OK with my budget air cooler for full ATX or mini-itx builds
Have to say though testing with a 4090 in 1080p makes sense as you want to be as cpu limited as much for actually comparing performance between cpus.
@@Horstelin the comment is more regarding a refreshing difference in the topics of reviewing the product, not undermining the necessity of those benchmarks mentioned.
This is the first video I've seen talking about this subject (9800x3D), good job!!!
this channel is so underrated man. i appreciate the coverage for sff cases and coolers
I was a little sad to not see a SFF cooler in the main review but colour me surprise you where cooking a dedicated video, love this channel
😀Cooling is a little more in depth, figured it would be better as it’s own little blurb!
As someone who held out for this CPU and is building a SFF PC - thank you for making this video!
I managed to snag a 9800X3D this morning, before they sold out everywhere. I'm doing a new build with an Asrock Nova X870E, 64gb DDR5 6400 and a D15 G2 cooler with PTM 7950. I've had all the other parts sitting in a pile for a while, so I'm really exited to have the CPU ordered now.
I tried out the PTM 7950 on my 5900X and it's performing a little bit better than MX-6 right out of the box! Hard to say how much it's improving over time, because I have to measure sound too, with my fan curves. Initial testing showed a 2-4c reduction, while also dropping 1-2db.
I also setup a new Fractal North XL, with four Noctua 140mm G2 fans and have been running it with my existing 5900X system for several weeks now. I'm VERY happy with it!
Is that the special thermal pad right? I myself want to try it out on a 5800x3d
I did an online reserve at microcenter this morning. It’s reserved for me and they still show 25+. Where did you get yours?
That's pretty much what I'm getting, same cpu, case, cooler and fans. Can you tell me what temps are you getting, so I have an ideia
It’s not going be sold out everywhere. CPUs in gaming as in demand as you may think. In fact the last gen isn’t max out, and unless you have a 4090….. this isn’t a must have day 1……. Not mention no big games, that are cpu heavy released around this time…..which is the entire point of all this…..the gam3s
@@djnes2k7 A lot of people had failed Intel 13/14th gens and have been waiting for this chip, so if anything sells out, this will be it.
Love the content bro. 🙏🏼
Oh man, thank you big time!
Love the content. Detailed info
Exactly the question i was asking me this morning 😁👍
This was the exact set of questions I needed investigated, thank you so much for doing the work!
Such a good practical video. The insights with 120mm and single towers is helpful. Im helping my nephews build rigs for the holidays. These small differences make a big buying difference.
I'm really interested to know if 9800x3d's power efficiency can be further improved with PBO CO negative offset and power limiting. Cooling this thing while it's running in 65W Eco Mode shouldn't be a problem for the majority of low profile coolers out there it's just how much performance will one lose (if any) going this route.
Yup! It sure can. I’ll be doing a demo for the PBO setup, timing wise trying to sync up to folks getting the CPU in hand.
@MachinesMore can you include 5800x3d in comparison
@@MachinesMore great to hear! looking forward to it!
That would be awesome. -20 CO is like default for sff.
@@MachinesMore Dont forget to always verify undervolts (Cinebench etc.) to avoid "clock stretching"
Good, love these kind of review.... Not just bench but another info for us... Nice bro 🎉
I'm running a 9800x3d under a NH-D15 (but only a single fan due to RAM clearance unfortunately) in a Lian Li A3, by default the temps were easily hitting 95c. Undervolting the CPU in a curve optimiser to negative 30, and now my temps generally hit upto 85, but mostly below 70c, also runs slightly faster too. This chip is legendary at undervolting, highly recommend!
Great video! Informative and concise. GG!
Needed this video and it came out. What a channel
I have mine in a 6L case and I'm using a Thermalright AXP120-X67 with a 140mm thin Silverstone fan replacing the 120mm. I've got it setup to exhaust instead of intake since that worked best for my application. With a 7800X3D with PBO and CO -30, in a 30 minute Cinebench R23 test it scored 16597, swapping to the 9800X3D with PBO and CO -30 it improved to 22422. It doesn't show to ever thermal throttle in HWinfo, but it does run at the 95C limit the entire test and peaked at 146W.
glad you did this
but i was hoping you woukld show the othe coolers too
ID-Cooling IS-67-XT BLACK 120mm
ID-Cooling FROZN A610 BLACK 120mm
DeepCool DC-AK620-DIGITAL-PRO AK620 Digital 120mm
This was helpful as I plan my next build for Christmas!
Man, the visuals have improved!
This is very helpful, not many channels talk about minimum required cooling, especially not so quickly after launch, but cooling matters to actual consumers. Just a small asterisk: you mention requirements between heavy multi-core workloads and gaming scenario's are different, but there's a lot of games that hit the CPU hard at all cores while shader caching. It's not massively impactful as it would just clock down a bit on smaller coolers and take slightly longer, but it's also not non-existing for gaming scenario's in that sense. Massive nitpick though. Thanks for your work!
Sure thing and point well taken. It’s more of a broad recommendation, for most gaming uses I would expect somewhere around 65-75W, higher than that doesn’t change the calculus too much unless one is truly on the fringe with their cooling solution.
Exactly what I was looking for. Some like them small :)
I wish I could like this video more times. Itx building is my passion and I love that there is a video for this. Thank you!
I use the thermalright peerless assassin 120 (bequiet light wing fan swap), paired with the thermalright contact frame to cool my 9800x3d, paired with a 7900xtx at 4k. If i do a pure undervolt i see temps 45-50c during long gaming sessions. If i do an undervolt+5.4 overclock i see a small jump up to 55-60c. At undervolt+5.7 overclock i see 65-70c. I once seen it hit 80 during timespy, at 100% utilization, but its almost guaranteed you will never see that kind of utilization or temps during gaming.
Edit, all of these temps were with my ambient temp around 75-80F.
The all-core blender render is imo the best choice for showing thermal performance. Again, well done.
Cheers. Agreed, Blender is very consistent for that purpose and a good example of a typical heavy all core workload.
Great, just the content i was looking for!!!
any numbers whit Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 Mini ?
Just run it in eco mode. I forgot which reviewer it was, but they saw very little difference in gaming performance using the 65tdp limit
I‘m glad you recommended the Atmos 240. I’m running this exact cooler inside my Dan A4 H2O and can’t wait to throw the 9800X3D in there (if I can actually get my hands on one).
not as interesting as the benchmarking results but honestly it is a nice change of pace to see how it'll stand against coolers that aren't the standard 360mm form factor, liquid freezer or nh d15 2nd gen.
Very useful info here! Thank you
Thing is, this chip will be at 20-40% utilization during gaming. Cooling wont be an issue. I run a low pro scyth on my 5800x3d. Its between 60-70c gaming on a 1440p monitor with a 7900xtx. Max settings. This should run cooler with the cashe on the bottom.
Please test with Thermalright AXP90-X47/X53 Full Copper!
I would love that, it's basically the biggest you can go in the Terra if you go with a 4080 or a 4090 and the full copper version could maybe potentially just handle it?
Curious about this too!
I added this to my homework list 🙏
Since I had a Ryzen 2700X thru to my 5900X my Noctua NH-U12A has been plenty of cooling. It's not now. I noticed my new 9950X is hitting 95C when I was testing it with Cinebench R23. I have nerfed it to a 90C limit while I look at cooling solutions that can dissipate a higher TDP. My old air cooler might be able to cool a 9800X3D though, but it would be marginal. I am not even sure a 360mm AIO will prevent it going over 90C when stress testing. Not a problem for normal use though. There are very few applications that push it that hard.
U12A will be more than enough for the 9800X3D. I’m kind of curious about the performance with 9950X actually, I would think it would be better. Two questions- what’s your case/airflow setup and did you get the new offset mounting bars from Noctua?
The limitation isn't the radiator surface area. The main bottleneck for heat transfer currently on 7000/9000 series is the real thick IHS. Direct die cooled at stock settings the 9800X3D doesn't break 55C even in cinebench. At 5.6GHz overclocked, it maxes out at 65C.
Check out Der8auer's video. If you really care about temps, consider at least a high performance heat spreader or direct die cooling.
Absolutely fantastic video. Thank you.
Would have been very nice to have a comparation chart with 7800X3D specially on the Terra.
Damn that was fast, I was just about to grab one from microcenter and try it out myself.
Thanks for this. I'm planning to put it in the Fractal Ridge and I was worried about putting it under a 67mm cooler. Guess I had nothing to worry about since I will rarely be doing multicore workloads.
purchased full copper axp90-x53 and ordered deepcool FP9 slim with increased static pressure, cannot wait to see how much power it will be ready to draw :)
I just went with an Arctic LF3 420mm and PBO undervolted my chip. If I loop Cinebench for 30 minutes it goes up to 85C. 5 year warranty means at least 1 CPU swap and who knows if 16 cores for gaming will be a thing in the future.
The CoolerMaster 212 doesn't have enough cooling due the gaps between the pipes on the plate and also the heatpipe count. I think a 90mm dual tower cooler with full copper plate will outperform it. For air cooling high power CPUs I use the Snowman BM6000.
How would thermalright full copper versions fair?
I’ve got the the ROG Crosshair X870E Hero latest bios and the Ryzen 7 9800X3D, Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360 Black, G Skill Ultra Low Latency cl28 6000MHz 2x16gb with direct memory cooling, Samsung 990 Evo Pro 2TB M.2, Asus RTX 4080 Super, Corsair rm1000x 80 gold plus fully modular and for the PC case the Corsair 7000D and holy ish after delidding the CPU the temps dropped almost 20c no joke it also helps to have my AC at 69 degrees 24/7. This rig is strictly for gaming I’m so happy with it.
That is some fast RAM! Sounds like a nice build and enjoy it.
So you can expect the exact same FPS playing cyberpunk with full retracing on a sff vs a tower and AIO?
Thank you❤
great content and infos. thx
im getting 9800x3d tomorrow, I will be running it with the peerless assassin 120 in a fish bowl case let's see how it goes.
Interested to see how the 9800X3D does with a negative offset in Curve optimizer. -10, -15, -20, -30 if even possible. I wonder if it could hit full boost clocks at 88 watts.
Not shopping for a new CPU since I just built a 7800X3D SFF rig, but it’s still fun to see the new chip design evolve.
I got 5800xd and playing on 1440p so this cpu would give me pretty much 5 more fps. So no rush at all. I bet this rock will serve fine for next 4-5 years.
Im moving from a 5800X3D setup to a 9800X3D, I suppose I might as well just reuse the 240mm AIO I already have. Thanks for the info!
This video definitely helps with my upcoming build! Kind of wish you show temps for a larger air cooler but you did mention that Peerless assassin which I did get so hopefully everything will be fine
Thanks a lot for this very interesting study! Planning to check Noctua C14S and NH-D12L with the R7 9800X3D!
Should be a good choice. You building in an M2?
@@MachinesMore Oh no...allmighty Cerberus-X..:D ATX MB SFF king with N-ATX..:D
I use the C14S + a lian Li TL 140mm.
Works great in a Jonsbo TK-1
Yesterday I had someone specifically ask how well this CPU might do in a mITX case with a low profile cooler. Then this popped in my feed so I immediately shared it.
Ive got a 9800x3d still in the box, is it worth waiting for the b850 boards? Im looking to do an SFF/MSFF build in a dan a3 or Ncase M2.
We dont have much choices with the b650 stock waning here in Australia, choices largely limited to the Msi Mag Mortar Matx, Gigabyte B650M AORUS ELITE AX, and Strix b650e-i
Very good info to have, I'm a big fan of air cooling and by all metrics, an upgrade from my i7-12700KF actually wouldn't be that much of a problem at all. There's certain games that have annoying CPU bottlenecks at 1440p with my chip and my 4070 Ti is literally made for 1440p gaming, so I'd get excellent gains in many of my favorite games, not to mention future proofing and moving to DDR5. This info was one of the last data points I needed since my current cooler should easily be enough and IF i decide to start doing some crazy all core workloads...then I can always upgrade :D
Using L12s for my 9800x3d in a Fractal ridge. Haven’t hit above 80 degrees yet.
Thank you for a great test!
How do you think, Deepcool AK500 Digital will be enough for 9800X3D? :) Don't want to cover RAM with bigger one and don't want an AIO :)
Great video. Test with some big air cooler, like TR PA would be fitting and maje it even better
I just posted my results with the pa here in the comments.
Apparently the undervoting performance can be insane with this chip (if you get a good one) Would be interested to see how the L12S handles in an optimised setup.. 🤔
If wanting to build in a T1 and not leave any significant pwrformance on the table seems like the only way to go is aio 240mm
Agreed.
Did you test the 9800x3d in the ncore 100 max? That's my exact case with the 120mm thick radiator aio. I'm planning on upgrading to the 9800x3d for gaming and wanted to know the max temps with it
How are temps on the IS55? I feel like most air cooled sff builds end up in that 40-60mm cpu cooler range instead of 30 or 70
So I have a Corsair 4000D Airflow and a Noctua NH-U12A, as well as 5 Noctua NFA12x25 Fans (3 Front, 1 Back, 1 Top). It currently cools the 5800x3D no problem whatsoever. If I ever get a 9800x3D, this setup should do fine right?
Yeah no doubt. Sorry I forgot to mention this one. The U12A is more like a dual tower in performance since it has a top in class heatsink plus two of the best 120mm fans on the market.
Do you think the NZXT Kraken X53 is fine?
I am looking at this CPU for mainly gaming but also intensive audio production. Do you believe an aircooler is enough to get by? Something like a Peerless Assassin 120 or Frost Commander 140. Would love to hear your thoughts.
If your going to be doing and kind of work station and gaming you might want to wait for the 9950x3d. That being said, my peerless assassin keeps my 9800x3d nice and cool.
I'm really torn. my 5800x3d build was in an absolutely massive case with a custom loop and two 360 mm radiators. in all honesty. I kind of hate it. I am really thinking about doing a compact build on air this time around. I just don't know. i dont know what to do xD I suspect i have about 3 weeks to decide before my preorder gets filled given my past experience with amazons overly cautious backorder dates.
i wish i knew exactly the size the 5090 gpus will be.
Very cool review! I'm going to build my first pc soon, I'd like to build it myself (following a tutorial of course) and I'd like to avoid liquid cooling because I'm a bit scared of the maintenance it requires. So, for mostly gaming air cooling is going to be enough? Is the CPU able to self regulate?
Or if I'm going to use just air cooling, should I look for a 7800x3d? Or maybe I can stop fearing liquid cooling...
"Water cooling is dead". Air coolers work great, pick up a peerless assassin 120, its cheap and works better than most aios on the market.
Are dual tower coolers safe to use vertically upright in a tower or are they too heavy?
I was wondering how much better this new 3D cache design is for keeping things cool, thanks!
When drawing down full power (~55% more vs 7800X3D) it can maintain the same temps as it. So it is quite a big improvement.
How about thermalright's pa120mini?
Should be a great fit, you will see higher fan speeds at full load since it’s a single fan cooler, but it will work well and will be very quiet for gaming.
@MachinesMore thanks for the reply!
So I'll be more than good with my Phantom Spirit 120 SE?
Yes, performance should be similar/slightly better than the 240 AIO in this video
Indeed, the good dual towers such as what you have, and others like the PA120, D15 will all perform similarly to a 240, as will a good single tower like the Noctua U12A. I tested smaller air coolers for a little more value added to the discussion.
@@MachinesMore Hey would you say peerless assassin would be enough or should i push for d15? (phantom spirit isnt avalible in my region)
Like I said before: If u play benchmarks the entire time uising a "gaming cpu". Yeah... Those small coolers will st ruggle hard. But If u just play ur games u will never struggle with these things. I'm using the 9800X3D with my 4070 Super in the Fractal Terra and the CPU temps in games never hiots the 70°C. Maybe the summer is coming here in europe. But there is enough headroom.
I mean no suprise if u constantly hit 120 (without co more like 140) watts through such small coolers, that they get hot :)
I heard somewhere the 9800X3D has an eco (65W) mode. Can you confirm this?
That might be the sweet spot for SFF
I just bought a razer hanbo chroma 240mm. Will that do the job for gaming or should i return it and invest in a better one
Hi, that was an interesting and would like your advice as I'm hesitating about the type of cooling.
I'm planning to do a mini-ITX build with a Lian Li TU150 and if I go with a watercooling AIO, I have only space for a 120mm fan which if I remember it right, there was a manual saying it has to be placed in front.
I have room to add two fans at the bottom and one fan at the rear.
Do you think an AIO is good for this kind of case with 9800X3D CPU or is it better with a tower? And if you have specific models?
If you have the TU150 I would go for a big tower cooler, they also work well with the airflow setup for the case. The most cost effective are ones like Thermalright’s PA120 and Phantom Spirit 120, these will give you performance closer to a 240mm AIO without the form factor restrictions. The TU150 is more geared towards air cooler clearance so you might as well take advantage of that!
@@MachinesMore Thank you so much for your advice.
Just to be sure, an AIO 120 is not ideal then? I was thinking about the Asus ROG Ryuo 120 at first, with the screen for displaying temperatures and stuff.
For tower fan, I heard Noctua had the best fan but you think Thermalright's models are better?
No dual towers?
ASUS ProArt LC 420 might just do the trick.
Great video! Is it still recommended to offset coolers like with the 7000 series?
Thanks! Yes, the CCD placement is the same as 7000.
I'm planning on getting a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE cooler for my 9800X3D (whenever that happens - sometime this month). Since I won't be OC'ing it, and I won't use it for anything beyond games, (so no apps that'll push all core workloads to max), it should be fine?
You’d be fine even doing all core workloads with that. PA 120 series is a beast.
@@MachinesMore Good to know my initial research still checks out, then.
Additional data point for you: I'm running a Scythe Fuma 3 air cooler with 3 fans, idle is 42*, 88* in Cinebench at 165W (throttles at 95*), 22* (72F) ambient. Gaming load is super-light in comparison.
Can you add to your homework as well this combo? Thermalright axp120 x67, with silverstone air slimmer 120 fan and noctua nt-h2 thermal paste? In a lot of posts I saw that this was the best performing combo for < 70mm cpu cooler height (best used to fractal design ridge). Thanks
How about a 47mm cooler and an undervolt?
U think we should wait for black friday for a potential deal or get it asap
Can you also review the Thorzone NanoQ S and R version case? I would love to see a build with this CPU in that case :)
Looking into it!
@ the great thing about that case is that it is able to house both 240/280mm AIO’S well also at the same time accommodate the biggest GPU’S possible (think 4090 Strix). There are currently not many ITX cases that are able to do that. It is very pricey though
whats this story about having to undervolt this cpu?
Wonder how the 9800x3d will fare with 140mm AIO? Eyeing the coolermaster core n100, it's not the best case, not the cheapest, but it's vertical, tiny desk footprint, room for huge gpu, very easy itx build.
The Ncore 100 max I assume? It uses a thick rad 120mm AIO which should be sufficient for the 9800X3D all full power but as mentioned you won’t have much headroom for higher ambient temps or simultaneous GPU usage during full CPU load. The case also prioritizes GPU cooling so the intake path for the rad is not as direct as it could be. I would expect temps closer to the 90-95 degree range at full load.
@@MachinesMore since I'm playing 3440*1440 and doing AI stuff on the side (mostly GPU), I guess it'll be ok. And the PC is in a basement room, it's always colder than ambient. I hope one day we have a case where the radiator and fans are OUTSIDE the case, protected with a dust filter.
do u think this chip is good enough for cooling with the case for the cooler master nr 200p max?
what about a big shurikan 3 with a 25mm 14cm arctic fan
Hey, I ordered the 240mm Atmos recently. Is replacing the fans necessary, useful at all? For both small cases like the h20 and bigger cases like the nr200.
Really love your channel btw thank u
Not necessary at all, the stock fans are quite good. If you are chasing every last degree then yes you can upgrade, I have used NF-A12x25 and Phanteks T30 on that rad with great results.
@@MachinesMore thank you!
This is an awesome video!! Super exactly what I was looking for. I have a the NCASE T1. Loved your review on it, and im glad to hear the 9800x3d should be able to push gaming only work loads. Will you be willing to do a direct review of the 9800x3d in the T1?
How about the peerless assassin mini? (Thinking about ncase M2 build)
Did you think the thermalright axp90 x53 full copper without pbo??
Is Dan A4 H2O a better choice for ITX build with 9800x3D vs all the other ones that use air cooling?
Love the A4-H2O. If you want to do a 240 it’s great.
Tried to order one this morning and it's sold out everywhere.
Hello, first time commenting (I think). I'm helping a friend put together a system and hes eyeing the 9800x3d, do you think it would work well with the A620I Lightning? Thanks for the video coverage!
Cheers! I believe Asrock's version of the A620I can support up to 120W TDP AM5 CPUs (unlike others that are 65W TDP only), so on spec it is fine, if you really really wanted to min/max then that could in fact be OK (assuming I'm remembering correctly on the TDP spec for the board). That being said, this is a $480 CPU, so personally I would recommend at minimum a B650I board here, you will get more granular control of PBO settings, better and more IO, and I think it would be money well spent to pair with at least something like Asrock's B650I (which is still light on IO however). My two typical recommendations for B650 ITX are MSI and Asus's, I think those are the most complete boards, even though more pricey, you get the IO you need, and those are the two BIOS implementations I prefer as well. We will have B850 rolling in very soon as well, so there will be more options.
Why MSI MPG B650I EDGE WIFI instead of ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-I GAMING WIFI?
In your opinion, what is the best 280 AIO? Anything you prefer over the Freezer III 280?
Not really, that is a tough one to beat and priced to win. If you really want to rock out add two NF-A14 G2s.
@ actually already ordered some! Thanks!
So you're saying a 9800x3d would work in a Mini itx case, losing just a tiny amount of Mhz.
But how does this work for a 7800x3d in a Mini itx case using Noctua NH-L12S ?
no benchmarks for dual tower????
I already have thermalright pa 120 mini, will it handle this cpu?
My pa 120 cools it just fine
@Y_Grim_R is it mini version? What is the average temperatures ?
Just picked a 9800x3D up from my local MC, but worried the ID cool IS 55 won't be good enough to cool this CPU, which then begs the question if I should just return and exchange for a 9700x instead.
Depends on how you use it. Under gaming loads 9800X3D actually draws less power. For heavy all core loads for sure the IS-55 will be too little cooler for the 9800X3D, while it will work great for the stock (65W TDP) 9700X.