Nearly 20 years later, you can see how valuable Schumi, Braun, and Todt were back in the days of Ferrari dominance. When they got there, they were a futile team when they arrived. Since Schumis departure, they won 1 drivers championship. That was nearly 20 years ago. And the drivers during that time were Kimi,Massa, Alonso, Vettel and now Leclerc. The problems that plague Ferrari aren't in the paddock. There at Maranello.its being run by a Bureaucratic race team.
Too right. From 2009 onwards, they seem back to their nasty old habits like they were during the early 90s when the team and cars were at their worst, particularly the F92A. Leclerc and Sainz either need to form a special pact with Vasseur and get Elkann/Vigna to shut it or they bail out and move somewhere else. Put it this way, if Ollie Bearman gets to Ferrari, he'll be in for a painful time.
Note: Wind tunnels don’t give you an accurate representation of the air flow and forces under the car. If I’m an engineer, I complain about the lack of in season testing time.
@@jazzrockr I probably would as well, track time is more representative than tunnel reading. Another reason not to support the budget cap. How long has in-season testing been banned for?
"Nearly 20 years later, you can see how valuable Schumi, Braun, and Todt were back in the days of Ferrari dominance" ..and Ferrari were so smart, *what did they do:* they dismantled that leadership structure else they have too much power compared to the board. di Montezemolo wanted Raikkonen in and a clear out of that Brawn, Todt block who were gaining too much power. A genius move, right? (Probably...)
The one season they showed strong progressive development was 2018. The season Seb pretty much imploded there. What happend to this team since 00's.. It's all just not come together.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks "What happend to this team since 00's.." di Montezemolo cleared out Brawn and Todt as they were getting too powerful compared to the Ferrari board. He also cleared out Schumacher to make way for Raikkonen for that matter!
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks no they didn’t. Ferrari literally made the car slower than Redbull from Singapore to USA and removed upgrades to become faster. Always blame Vettel 🤡
It's not like they spent 400m and was at the back. They were 2nd to a dominant merc. Also they could not just spend to make a quicker car. They were limited by the engine token system which was the biggest reason merc could stay ahead. Where was redbull again? Who who also spent hundreds of millions.
@@jeffsteyn7174 where’s is Ferrari now ? You make it seem like Ferrari did some outstanding job loosing to merc, Red Bull won 11 trophies in 13 years. Ferrari not even one.
Ferrari's problem is not mainly aerodynamics. All the updates don't help massively. Their basic problem is the mechanics and kinematics of the car. The character of the car has to be changed completely, and that can only be done over the winter. That's the only way they'll get a grip on tyre management again. Exactly 10 years ago when Alonso won in Barcelona, that was their strength and Mercedes was the tyre-eater. Now it's the other way round. And with today's rules, your car has to caress the tyres, otherwise you have no chance. sry 4 my shitty english in advance.
@@SaltySeabug i'm german and don't speak/write english every day. that's why i'm unsure. Hearing and understanding English is no problem for me, but writing or speaking it myself is. Fortunately, when commenting and writing, you have enough time to think and can correct it several times. but thx
I wish tire management wasn't so important in F1. I understand having tires that wear out (necessitating pit stops) and having different compounds for strategic reasons, but sometimes it seems like the tires and their condition are the main thing everyone is concerned about. If there's a spectrum running from "tires don't matter at all" to "tires are the most important thing in a race" I think F1 is currently too far towards the "most important" end.
But until Lewis retires or Max falls out with Red Bull where does he go? Lewis could do another 2-3 years, Max seems pretty happy with RB. Make a Hail Mary move to Aston Martin? For the next few seasons at least he's stuck with Ferrari, let's hope the frustration doesn't break him.
@@remsrhythm9408 thing with that is, redbull don't want a driver that can challenge max. And realistically, if Charles gets to rb, he will be dumped on my max and designated to no 2 driver
@@remsrhythm9408 Checo is the perfect Barrichello/Webber/Bottas, he's fast enough to win some of the time, but not fast enough to threaten Max. He's going ot be at RB for a while. They don't want a Lewis/Nico scenario.
@@fix0the0spade RN it's just Aston or maybe hold out and see if Ferrari steps up or Audi, or maybe if by that time Lewis has retired idk. Idk, I just hope whatever it is. He can last, Ferrari has a bit of a habit for marmalising its own talent, after a while.
They built a fast car at the start of the 2022 season, but in Ferrari's wisdom they fired most of the people responsible for that car... Their decision to clear out not just Binotto and subsequently senior personnel associated with Binotto, but surely that means it will take time for the new technical leadership group to start to work effectively?
@@Taletad that's the fault of the Italians. They hate to such a degree that the leader has to go, even when it's not the best course of action. It's a shameful attitude and behaviour.
@@callumaltair9806 may this year he will figure it out and it not Binotto only leave many faithful to him also leave so such a brain drain has a side effect and in the long term way. For Ferrari things get worst worst worst it never getting better. They have to trust their manager for long term to build confidence let think for minute what will happen if red bull change it team boss.
@@puneetsharma1437 That's true but Ferrari has to start from scratch with their crew. From the team principal and manager to the data analysts and engineers. They're mediocre.
The issues are hardly aerodynamic. As you've mentioned the change in aero philosophy is only to open doors in their future developments. The issues they face are with the ride height on higher fuel loads and the tyre behavior (which is a product of the former), all point to suspension problems. Introducing completely reworked suspension is almost impossible under cost cap. The biggest aero related problems they face is an under performing front end. Introducing a new front wing is complicated as it effects everything downstream. Having a weak front end means you need to run less rear wing to not upset the car balance (there goes the high speed performance). Secondly a very peaky floor, which isn't inherently a bad thing when your suspension can provide it a very stable aero platform, which isn't the case for them, so somewhere compromise needs to be made .
This is not even to mention the constant miscommunication issues and strategy calls that drive the team into the ground week in and out. How long until enough is enough?
Reality is that Mercedes and Aston are going up, if someone goes up someone has to come down, which in this case is McLaren and Ferrari, they way things are going, there will be 3 top teams (RB, Merc and AM), then Alpine leading the midfield snatching a podium every once in a while (just like they were during the Riccardo days). Who would have thought the Legacy teams would be on the back? Williams was just the beginning...
@quierover4locas Ferrari midfield adventures soon? 😂
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Last year they had great car which only needed some tyre management adjustments. They went for more speed compromising downforce in process without understanding the cars tyre problem. Even worse now, they've got the car that performs unpredictably with various fuel loads etc
last year car was crippled by the TD 39 asked by Merc with the excuse of security. everybody remembersb Lewis playing the old man trying to get out of his car in Baku. I have no idea of the reason why Ferrari keeps on denying this simple truth.
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@@ernestoaloia1785 Ferrari should have overcome that long time ago
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@ In fact, no, because the TD39 had such an impact on Ferrari that they had to rethink their entire concept. It was not really the anti-porpoising part of the rule to be blamed but the fact that the FIA banned solutions that allowed floors to flex. This destroyed the Ferrari concept. Look at Mercedes; they carried a flawed concept since early 2022 and only changed it during the last race despite having one year to see how wrong it was. In comparison, Ferrari's concept was spot on until the end of August or the beginning of September 2022 and the introduction of the new technical directive. From that point, they lacked time to radically alter the previous concept.
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@ yeah. You are right. They were quick despite obvious porpoising.
Adrian Newey: "Ferrari is a lot of money *for a short period of time.* " Says that man who has worked for Red Bull Racing for 15 years. Adrian also wants inputs on things like driver choices (which is why he left Williams), which is not going to be possible at an organisation Ferrari whereas at Red Bull he is in the office right next to Horner and has input on ALL operational decisions of Red Bull. TLDR: Newey is not dumb enough to go to Ferrari! Ferrari have churned through a LOT of perfectly good engineers like Pat Fry, Aldo Costa etc. Even for Barnard it was difficult, there was a Ferrari being designed in parallel at Maranello without his knowledge.
Better engineers will not magically solve Ferrari’s problems. It’s stability, and Ferrari does not regain stability very easily once it is lost. Corporate pressure especially makes it very difficult for them to build on slow progress, and make gradual and procedural improvements. Instead, the pressure from management and fans always demands immediate solutions and these are simply not possible in modern F1.
ferrari can keep changing aero parts thats not the issue, the pure fact is their suspension is horrible, give bad ride quality, like why was the car still boncuing and showing purposing this weekend. with that suspension setup it doesn't help with tyre management, all ferrari had to do to last year car was improve tyre management and get a bit more straight-line speed as the main reason they struggled was tyres in 2022 comes to 2023 and they are still having number 1 issue tyre management. the car has pace but its just bad in races, merc and redbull and aston have all manged to get a car that got good tyre management for race, even if some of them are not good over 1 lap.
After following this sport for 53 years now, and seeing teams go up and down, and sometimes down and out, I am convinced it will take a mircale for Ferrari rising to the top and truly be a challenger to RBR and M-B any time in the near future. I am more inclined to think McLaren has a better chance to get there than Ferrari does, and if Vasseur gets the pink slip in one or two years, this will be a sign Ferrari will be in limbo for many more years to come. Ironically in the beginning of 2022, it seemed as if Ferrari was back as a leading force in F1, but quickly we all learned this was an illusion.
@garrylong2993 yes Without those 3 ferrari would've have been less dominant and tbh no titles The last time ferrari won a title before Schumacher was in 1979 with Jody schekter at the wheel
@@garrylong2993 Ferrari has the most constructor titles, the most driver titles and the most GP wins that any other team, making it is by FAR the most successful F1 team in history. Have at least some respect for the OG
@@cristiancanovawhy should we respect a bunch of clowns who constantly rap3s their own drivers though their incompetent strategies and car development?
Yeah, yeah, yeah... sometimes less is more. Harold Ramis...cough,cough..I mean Mattia Binotto...had Ferarri running much better collectively. Sure there were some strategy gaffes but they were in contention for several races. This year with Binitto out they're not even sniffing the RBR's exhaust fumes. In other words they're in a much worse place this year than they ever were under Binotto.
The problem with your video is that Ferrari's sidepods are not really downwash sidepods. Red Bull's sidepods are pure downwash sidepods because they don't have any inwash in front of the rear wheels. Ferraris still directs the air inward with the sidepods in front of the rear wheels. If you look closely you can see that they are pulled inward at their rear end. The photos with Flow Vis show quite clearly the inwash. So Ferrari's sidepods are still inwash, not downwash sidepods, because this concept is all about what happens to the air in front of the rear tires whether it is pulled inward or directed downward. Ferrari, like Sauber, directs it inward. Red Bull directs it downward. So Ferrari really hasn't made a concept change in this regard. And once again this proves, and you know this if you know anything about aerodynamics, that something that looks like downwash to laymen doesn't have to be and that aerodynamics is too complex to be analyzed by laymen by eye (which every professional knows and therefore would never do). So your analysis is wrong. Look at the flow-vis pictures of Ferrari's sidepods from Spain. Whereas you better do something like that before you publish a video. Besides, Mercedes looked bad in Monte Carlo too. And almost every other team needed several races to get their updates to work properly. So to judge Ferrari's update as bad after a race that also highlights Ferrari's general weakness is not only premature, but shows unprofessionalism. Regardless of whether it turns out to be correct later, because in fact it's simply a premature conclusion in view of the facts, but admittedly in Ferrari's current condition it's not a good one.
agreed..reading written press on F1 also ,days after RB got their wind tunnel & simulation penalties for 2023 , Newey was interviewed on the matter and slipped a few words (unnoticed at the time..I quote him : 'the wind tunnel test is only there to confirm what we already knew'...!!..it says a lot on Newey's confidence and his team of aero-magicians ..Newey still works with drawings (like Chapman) & observing how the wind flows over a race car from the side of the race track....he does not trust computer simulations like other teams do (Mercedes)..like he said..'he needs to smell , feel & touch the air flow ,rushing around the parts he has designed...
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@@hectorherbert6585 he I is on the whole another level. He definitely lives what it does.
Big mistake making Binotto Team Principal. He was good as head of the technical division. Shouldve kept him there and continued with Arrivabene. They had upward momentum in 2017/18.
I mean..... by the time Vasseur took over this role the car for this year was set in stone. I do think Ferrari needs serious changes in personell though, even from the race engineers who seem to be incompetent and sound like robots.
@@remy090 I don't blame him for the car but he's been too slow to make the organizational changes that have been needed for ages, why is Xavi still there for example?
I still don’t believe that the reason the RB is so far ahead is purely because of aero efficiency. Doesn’t make sense when the rest of the field are quite close. I still think the RB is doing something others aren’t as even Aston who have a RB designer and made a huge jump are miles behind RB.
Its litteraly because they're better, have a complete and good strategy, and a good engine. Thank Adrien Newey for that, theres a reasonn hes a f1 legend.
I mean, have you seen Red Bull's floor. That alone looks way more sophisticated in design than all the other top team's floors. Then, I also think they have some sort of trick with the DRS which other teams haven't figured out yet.
RBR is the best in literally every category now. Ferrari was at least beating them at pit stops and race starts but now RBR is just the best at everything.
@@remy090 The "super-DRS" is part of the floor design. It's designed to stall when the DRS flap opens, reducing drag. I.e., the floor design is normally on the limit of stalling, and losing that suction support from the rear wing & beam wing (which also stalls when it loses that "support") makes the floor stall. You can ONLY do this if you know what you are doing (as Red Bull do), as if it stalls when you don't want it too you will obviously lose performance.
Meanwhile latest Mercedes updated pay off with Hamilton No.2 & Russell No.3 in Barcelona. Russel easily catch up to Sainz & also when Russel 1 second infront Sainz, he wider that gap to 6 seconds in a few laps
and Russell outperforming Checo, that's what i am looking forward for the Next race, if Checo's Redbull stays in Mercedes' reviewmirror I can see them catching up Max for 2024.
@@ChuyR. too soon to say, just that checo isn't on the lvl of gr and lh. But mv is a level above em all at the moment. And besides this season rb had the aero penalty but next year it will be normal.
I wouldn't call the upgrades a failure yet. Catalunya circuit with the old turns 13 & 14 back is a tyre killer, and the SF-23 is not great on tyre wear so I think we can't make a full judgment until after Canada and Austria, the new concept is alien to Ferrari. The real issue holding the car back is the diffuser and rear suspension which are not quick to fix.
As a ferrari fan its fking painful to see but its nothing new,my honest opinion they should have never sacked binotto,this new car they have is his work and they will never get it to work without him,ferrari also need to change how there chairmen change every 4 years meaning they also change team principles way to often,theres so many things Ferrari need to do before they will ever be considered a top contender tean again
Binotto got Arrivabene fired and is the reason Vettel was replaced with a useless midfield driver like Sainz. Serves him right. Ferrari would’ve already won a championship if Arrivabene continued. Binotto purposely sabotaged 2018 dividing the team politically right after Marchionne’s death when they should’ve just been focused on winning.
Ferrari is constantly chopping and changing only to end right back where they started. It seems like eventually they'd get tired of pissing away money but never succeeding. They should just quit F1 and come to NASCAR if only for the lulz.
By 2023 it looked like everyone turned towards the RB concept except for Ferrari and Mercedes. Those two had a somewhat similar design, but it turned out they were wrong and the RB design is the ultimate one.
It seems that way, but who knows there might be a better solution that no one has thought of yet? It's a shame that Merc and Ferrari lost faith in their original concepts. Ideally if they wanted to change they should have done so at the start of the 2023 season so they could do it properly and not work around the compromises of modifying a car that was originally designed to be something else (like the side impact structure sticking out the side of the Ferrari...).
You mean their lmh and gt3 project? Yes their lmh is doing pretty well rn getting closer to the dominant toyota, and their 296 gt3 run by privateer just won in nurburgring this year.
Their biggest problem is that they're located in maranello... The best f1 engineers work in the UK. Where everyone else works except for sauber and alpha tauri. Why would they want to leave the uk right now... Ferarri doesn't have a job security. Management always changes. Why would anyone want to relocate to Italy... The last team that wasnt UK based and won a championship was Ferarri... and even before that it was ferarri years ago.
"Why would anyone want to relocate to Italy... " I mean the weather, food and scenery is a lot better than in Milton-Keynes and Brackley etc, so there's that! Milton-Keynes' only claim to fame is being the roundabout capital of the world, lol.
Sainz has shown time and time again he can't go toe to toe with the big boys. The only time he actually looks good is when Leclerc has an off weekend. Even today, he got beat to a podium by a guy starting ten positions behind him. Car's a mess sure, but great drivers make it work with inferior machinery.
The train wreck continues, in fact worse. Saw the upgrades on Friday and I wasn't particularly excited with the design and true enough the performance still sucks. It all started on the back foot when Fred Vasseur made it a point that the team wouldn't touch the front suspension at least for Barcelona. At that point, I already knew things were going to be bad. Knowing the worst weakness of the SF-23, that being tire deg, there was just no way you could do without redesigning the geometry of the front suspension or even changing major principle say from a pull-rod to push-rod design if you are going to attempt to make some major strides forward. Let's be honest, Ferrari already got lucky by the fact that for some reason Aston Martin unexpectedly just fell off the map unlike how well they have been doing thus far. If not, I think is safe to say you can pretty much expect the highest position Ferrari can get to is 7th. Based on the post-race interviews especially from Charles, the Scuderia is completely lost. It almost feels like they might even do better if they just roll out the F1-75 from last year and I am not totally joking. The F1-75 actually performed way better than the SF-23 apart from the reliability issues at the time. Now that the power unit has been fixed, you could argue once they turn up the engine, the F1-75 might give Charles and Carlos a better chance with an easier car to drive. Then, you just write off the season and focus all energy and resources into developing the 2024 car full steam. 2023 is already done for the Scuderia folks whether you like it or not. You might as well just accept it and enjoy the benefit of getting much more badly needed wind tunnel time coming 4th in the constructors behind Red Bull, Mercedes and Aston Martin. Make no mistake, If they can't show up with at least a competitive if not a winning car come next season, heads will roll sooner than you think. This current extreme downward spiral of the Scuderia is simply not sustainable. And something more medium to longer term as food for thought, I think if Fred Vasseur is doing his job, he might want to float the idea to John Elkann to set up base in the UK working in conjunction with the factory and main facilities in Maranello. This was exactly what Toto Wolff decided to do from the onset for Mercedes even when all the major facilities are in Germany. Why? Simple, hiring. UK is where the main talent pool is. Do you have any idea how many F1 employees are British from CEO, COO, technical directors, strategy directors all the way down to the mechanics who change the tires? Absolutely truckloads. Literally. Not to mention that is where most of the teams are based which makes headhunting for staff that much easier. Just to cite one such example, you heard it yourselves when Adrian Newey revealed how many times Ferrari had approached him throughout the years and admitted one of those instances got really close, but he had a young family at the time so he decided to turn it down to stay put in the UK. I am not suggesting Ferrari will then be able to hire Newey, the ship has long sailed on that one. Newey is already 64 plus he has also just extended with Red Bull. Another one is James Ellison who resigned from Ferrari after his wife passed away to return to the UK to raise his kids. So, location matters, that is the point.
i still think pick Fred Vasseur for team boss was mistake, vasseur from a not front runner team , his little bit lack of top team mentality, not his fault,the problem manly the Ferrier culture or structure , too easy to fire people when things not going too well.
Obviously this isn't true but if it ever came out that Binotto deliberately sabotaged the SF-23's development as an act of revenge for losing his job, it would not surprise me in the slightest.
Who’s to blame this week and who’s head will be on the chopping block next…😂. I’m sure those in the upper echelons of management will once again interfere because they know best. Pffff, they should all stand down themselves and give those that know a go!
Well there ego, pride is letting them down. Merc had their fair and share of this last season. Ferrari with their pride being ao high is what affecting them heavily in strategy and in development. They hold the “ferrari” name js what makes them suffer. They seem to care more about name than the proper f1 game of development and strategy
I’ve never seen aero explained that well, the visuals were a really nice touch. You should do a video where you detail the differences in aero amongst the top cars.
@@ChuyR. "but no one is able to explain why his concept is the best." Yeah they are able to -- try the B Sport channel for example. The Red Bull isn't greedy, it doesn't chase peak downforce (as Ferrari and Mercedes do with their narrower throats in their venturi floors), it chases consistent, ride height agnostic downforce with a very rearwards centre of pressure of the floor to make sure the car stays balanced. When especially Mercedes rolled out with a very aggressive floor at the start of 2022 to chase peak numbers, the Red Bull rolled out with much taller, less aggressive venturi tunnels and even to date, the Red Bull is the only car that does not expand the diffuser to the maximum permitted volume of the legality box. Even so (not chasing extreme peak downforce at very low ride heights, cough Mercedes W13), to keep the aero platform stable the Red Bull still has a VERY good suspension system. The Red Bull RB18 rolled out with excellent anti-dive and anti-squat suspension properties to keep the car (or more importantly the aero devices) stable and level. Having built that strong foundation and good understanding, they were able to build in a "super DRS" where there are now aggressive kicks in the diffuser (which Mercedes originally had in 2022 but then removed) to put the diffuser on the limit of stalling, so that it stalls when DRS opens and the diffuser loses the suction support from the rear wing -- hence getting the huge drag reduction on DRS. You can only do that if you absolutely know what you are doing (as Red Bull do), as having the diffuser stall when you don't want it to means you could lose all your downforce in the middle of a corner! Re: the wide downwashing sidepods as Red Bull (and some others like Apine and AlphaTauri) launched with: these keep the front tyre wakes outboard (important to do, but difficult now that bargeboards aren't allowed) while drawing clean air over the top down to the beam wing and top of the diffuser. 🙂
It has been a while that Ferrari was really able to "invent" something. Pretty lackluster compared to other teams on the grid. But i take it with a grain of salt so to speak, Ferrari in the last couple of years had many leading figure changes and a lot of instability inside of the team. I would guess that the pressure is just different at Ferrari and that leads to poor and afraid choices. You know.
Last year Ferrari had the strongest car, with a great engineer and team principal: Binotto. Reminds me when they had Prost and cesare Fiorio and fired both then come 1992/1993 where they were nowhere.
Considering Ferrari have issues with ride height and still have some visible bouncing, I’m surprised they have not updated their suspension to anti dive. Aston and Mercedes have done this but Ferrari has yet to do it themselves
It's so painful to see the decline of Ferrari from the beginning of 2022 to now. Praying that next season the Scuderia will be back fighting for wins. 🙏🏽
@@fe247 Well to be fair, their road cars are also very good. 🙂 Even if (sadly) the percentage of Tifosi who can afford to own a Ferrari is probably not that high.
I thought they said the new management will make all things better. Clearly they should have given Mattia Binotto a bit more time. They made a few dumb mistakes last year but were a very strong team.
Ferrari fails because it is too italian. It's outrageous that they are so prejudiced in this era. It's bordering on racism, but the rest of the world is having the last laugh as they continue to fail even with their massive unfair bonses from F1.
@@angilolissimo5331 they largely hire within the circle of a small country. The rest of the F1 teams hire from planet earth. It's not just that, Italians are so critical of ferrari that the company gets scared to even breathe. It's a truly toxic environment.
Ferrari’s aim to remain mediocre seems pretty successful 🎉 now they don’t have to deal with complicated race strategies coz they don’t even have enough pace to begin with 😉
Men of vision and brilliance build great race teams…the imprints of Michael Schumacher and Russ Brawn are forever left on the great Ferrari legacy of 1999-2004…and then later on the 2014-2021 Mercedes triumphs…but now, mediocrity reigns…
Ferrari would have been very competitive even if they run the F1-75 only by fixing their tyre management problem. Aero is fine. The problem is in the suspension and floor.
Something is rong at Ferrari,in this 15 years everything new not working, someone or maybe they have a pact to not win. No way that they can't come with something,they have money, brain, resources etc. 100% is something , but I'm like a fan I'm 🤮🤮🤮🤮
Every single team with a long standing pedigree or extensive support from major car companies should be ashamed of themselves (not just Ferrari). How in the world is a LEMONADE COMPANY from Austria beating them at their own game?!
both Mercedes & Ferrari will have to start from a blank board (again)..slapping on new parts on a mediocre car will not work...the entire package needs to function as one unit...also one heavy comment Newey made ,when RB found out their wind-tunnel & computer simulation time penalties..'the wind tunnel is only there to confirm what we already knew'..!!!..OUCH..!!
Won't matter, Ferrari are a mid-field team because they don't care enough, probably due to being Italian, the 2022 start phenomenon was only due to Merc and RB fighting it out until the end of 2021. The pace at which they're losing that edge though, and not just to RB but also to Merc and AM is staggering. 2025 will be RB vs Merc with RB being what Merc was in 2021, Ferrari are going to fight for a distant 3rd with AM by then.
They should cancel their PR/social media department. Take that money and resource and channel into the car and the paddock. Same with any other fluffy departments. Make it all about racing again. Sick of Ferrari’s shabby chase for glamour; shame on them for staining their hard fought legacy. Wake up Marinello!
Just seems like the brain trust at Ferrari is stuck. Insisting that they can get it to work won’t equate to wins, just frustration and rumor. Not really what you look for or expect from a team like Ferrari 🤦🏻♂️
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People seem to forget that it is mainly the TD39, particularly the rule against flexy floors, that has destroyed the SF-75 concept from Spa and had a substantial knock-on effect on this year's car. The whole concept was damaged back then and became as useless as the Mercedes' no sidepod concept. However, although Mercedes had an entire year to analyse, understand and create a new concept for Barcelona, Ferrari could not enjoy the same process as that directive arrived at Spa 2022 when the 2023 project was already well established.
Ferrari is embarrassing and put itself in a hole by acting late on changing course. Mercedes built a car in 3 months. They can too. This excuse about a new car not been ready until October is lame.
Don’t get to excited about Mercedes 1 they are way behind Red Bull 2. As ToTo said yesterday was the ideal window as far as conditions for Mercedes ….. let’s see how she plays out But yes Ferrari have been bad … they should have been batteling Red Bull again and they took a leap back very disappointing
there 22 chassis is slow and surely been molded in to a red bull chassis in 2023.but there unwilling to jump the gun like other team Aston martin and build of a design like red bull .. probably because Ferrari engineers have there pride on the line. i suspect a toxic work environment of self entitlement. and when they fail pass the buck. i dont know what there trying to achieve.
I have been a ferrari fan since i was a kid in the 90s. But they dont deserve it anymore. Utterly oathetic that for almost 17byears they havent been able to develop a good car and win. I have the utmost respect fir RedBull. Diminated twice in the kast 3 regulation changes. Mercedes were ok kast year but are constantly improving. Aston Martin were almost last and now are fighting fir 2nd place. And we have ferrari who started iff 2022 as one if the best cars and now have dropped down so bad that i doubt theyll find it difficult to even finish 5th in the championship. I said this last year that 2023 we will see them becoming a midfueld team and it has come true. I dont foresee them winning anuthing till the next regulation changes and probably nothing after that.
Nearly 20 years later, you can see how valuable Schumi, Braun, and Todt were back in the days of Ferrari dominance. When they got there, they were a futile team when they arrived. Since Schumis departure, they won 1 drivers championship. That was nearly 20 years ago. And the drivers during that time were Kimi,Massa, Alonso, Vettel and now Leclerc. The problems that plague Ferrari aren't in the paddock. There at Maranello.its being run by a Bureaucratic race team.
Too right. From 2009 onwards, they seem back to their nasty old habits like they were during the early 90s when the team and cars were at their worst, particularly the F92A.
Leclerc and Sainz either need to form a special pact with Vasseur and get Elkann/Vigna to shut it or they bail out and move somewhere else. Put it this way, if Ollie Bearman gets to Ferrari, he'll be in for a painful time.
Note: Wind tunnels don’t give you an accurate representation of the air flow and forces under the car. If I’m an engineer, I complain about the lack of in season testing time.
@@jazzrockr I probably would as well, track time is more representative than tunnel reading. Another reason not to support the budget cap. How long has in-season testing been banned for?
"Nearly 20 years later, you can see how valuable Schumi, Braun, and Todt were back in the days of Ferrari dominance" ..and Ferrari were so smart, *what did they do:* they dismantled that leadership structure else they have too much power compared to the board. di Montezemolo wanted Raikkonen in and a clear out of that Brawn, Todt block who were gaining too much power. A genius move, right? (Probably...)
Spot on. Plus the media never puts pressure or blames the management at hq means something is wrong behind the scenes.
It's amazing to think that at the start of the 2022 season they probably had the fastest car. Somebody definitely needs to lose their job.
Binotto did
Ferrari needs to relocate to UK to win championships again
Fastest over over one lap not on race pace.
@@lekudosthey were race pace fastest for a good chunk of races as well
@@manusiaganteng2753 Pride means that's probably not an option for them.
Ferrari has also been terrible at development throughout the years... they have often lost ground to rivals as the season progresses.
Ferrari is a woefully out of date organization - it still relies on in season testing and its simulation technology is not as good as the UK teams.
The one season they showed strong progressive development was 2018. The season Seb pretty much imploded there. What happend to this team since 00's.. It's all just not come together.
to be fair from 2020 to 2022 they rapidly improved and then 2023 went down again
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks "What happend to this team since 00's.." di Montezemolo cleared out Brawn and Todt as they were getting too powerful compared to the Ferrari board. He also cleared out Schumacher to make way for Raikkonen for that matter!
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks no they didn’t. Ferrari literally made the car slower than Redbull from Singapore to USA and removed upgrades to become faster.
Always blame Vettel 🤡
Ferrari couldn't do it with £400 million, did anyone ever expect them to do it on £140 million?!
Everyone one else is doing it with the same money and is not like Mercedes was spending 50 million before
Everyone has the same money due to cost cap
It's not like they spent 400m and was at the back. They were 2nd to a dominant merc. Also they could not just spend to make a quicker car. They were limited by the engine token system which was the biggest reason merc could stay ahead. Where was redbull again? Who who also spent hundreds of millions.
@@jeffsteyn7174 where’s is Ferrari now ? You make it seem like Ferrari did some outstanding job loosing to merc, Red Bull won 11 trophies in 13 years. Ferrari not even one.
@@flachbrettbohrer They're still around the top behind Red Bull
My mouth was open looking at Leclerc's position during the last few laps of the race and remembering the early stages of last year
Ferrari's problem is not mainly aerodynamics. All the updates don't help massively. Their basic problem is the mechanics and kinematics of the car. The character of the car has to be changed completely, and that can only be done over the winter. That's the only way they'll get a grip on tyre management again.
Exactly 10 years ago when Alonso won in Barcelona, that was their strength and Mercedes was the tyre-eater. Now it's the other way round. And with today's rules, your car has to caress the tyres, otherwise you have no chance.
sry 4 my shitty english in advance.
Your english was literally perfect lol
@@SaltySeabug i'm german and don't speak/write english every day. that's why i'm unsure. Hearing and understanding English is no problem for me, but writing or speaking it myself is. Fortunately, when commenting and writing, you have enough time to think and can correct it several times. but thx
@@scuferia7373 all good
@@scuferia7373 war doch alles super, weiter so👍
I wish tire management wasn't so important in F1. I understand having tires that wear out (necessitating pit stops) and having different compounds for strategic reasons, but sometimes it seems like the tires and their condition are the main thing everyone is concerned about. If there's a spectrum running from "tires don't matter at all" to "tires are the most important thing in a race" I think F1 is currently too far towards the "most important" end.
[S]pain
Charles in his mind has to already be on the move at this point. This team cannot get out of its own way.
But until Lewis retires or Max falls out with Red Bull where does he go? Lewis could do another 2-3 years, Max seems pretty happy with RB. Make a Hail Mary move to Aston Martin? For the next few seasons at least he's stuck with Ferrari, let's hope the frustration doesn't break him.
@@fix0the0spade Replace Checo once he’s out but even then RB have DR lined up
@@remsrhythm9408 thing with that is, redbull don't want a driver that can challenge max. And realistically, if Charles gets to rb, he will be dumped on my max and designated to no 2 driver
@@remsrhythm9408 Checo is the perfect Barrichello/Webber/Bottas, he's fast enough to win some of the time, but not fast enough to threaten Max. He's going ot be at RB for a while. They don't want a Lewis/Nico scenario.
@@fix0the0spade RN it's just Aston or maybe hold out and see if Ferrari steps up or Audi, or maybe if by that time Lewis has retired idk. Idk, I just hope whatever it is. He can last, Ferrari has a bit of a habit for marmalising its own talent, after a while.
So they still don’t know what they’re doing wrong
I'm sure changing team principal yet again is exactly what the team needs (sarcasm).
As a Ferrari fan this is really tough to take. Clearly the engineers currently employed are just not good enough.
We know why the staff aren't good enough.
They are probably good enough but having a revolving door leadership and intermingling from the board of directors is probably the biggest failure
They built a fast car at the start of the 2022 season, but in Ferrari's wisdom they fired most of the people responsible for that car... Their decision to clear out not just Binotto and subsequently senior personnel associated with Binotto, but surely that means it will take time for the new technical leadership group to start to work effectively?
@@Taletad that's the fault of the Italians. They hate to such a degree that the leader has to go, even when it's not the best course of action. It's a shameful attitude and behaviour.
@@TassieLorenzo it's italy's fault, not just ferrari's.
Binotto is just smiling. Wine in one hand and cheese on the other. 😂
He was part of the problem either way. Great engineer who couldn't figure out the suspension issues and made continuous in-race errors.
@@callumaltair9806 may this year he will figure it out and it not Binotto only leave many faithful to him also leave so such a brain drain has a side effect and in the long term way.
For Ferrari things get worst worst worst it never getting better. They have to trust their manager for long term to build confidence let think for minute what will happen if red bull change it team boss.
@@puneetsharma1437 That's true but Ferrari has to start from scratch with their crew. From the team principal and manager to the data analysts and engineers. They're mediocre.
@@callumaltair9806 And when they are experience enough they will be fired.
The issues are hardly aerodynamic. As you've mentioned the change in aero philosophy is only to open doors in their future developments. The issues they face are with the ride height on higher fuel loads and the tyre behavior (which is a product of the former), all point to suspension problems. Introducing completely reworked suspension is almost impossible under cost cap.
The biggest aero related problems they face is an under performing front end. Introducing a new front wing is complicated as it effects everything downstream. Having a weak front end means you need to run less rear wing to not upset the car balance (there goes the high speed performance). Secondly a very peaky floor, which isn't inherently a bad thing when your suspension can provide it a very stable aero platform, which isn't the case for them, so somewhere compromise needs to be made
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Good summary. They still have not sorted out their porpoising out.
This is not even to mention the constant miscommunication issues and strategy calls that drive the team into the ground week in and out. How long until enough is enough?
Reality is that Mercedes and Aston are going up, if someone goes up someone has to come down, which in this case is McLaren and Ferrari, they way things are going, there will be 3 top teams (RB, Merc and AM), then Alpine leading the midfield snatching a podium every once in a while (just like they were during the Riccardo days).
Who would have thought the Legacy teams would be on the back? Williams was just the beginning...
@quierover4locas Ferrari midfield adventures soon? 😂
Last year they had great car which only needed some tyre management adjustments. They went for more speed compromising downforce in process without understanding the cars tyre problem. Even worse now, they've got the car that performs unpredictably with various fuel loads etc
last year car was crippled by the TD 39 asked by Merc with the excuse of security. everybody remembersb Lewis playing the old man trying to get out of his car in Baku. I have no idea of the reason why Ferrari keeps on denying this simple truth.
@@ernestoaloia1785 Ferrari should have overcome that long time ago
@ In fact, no, because the TD39 had such an impact on Ferrari that they had to rethink their entire concept. It was not really the anti-porpoising part of the rule to be blamed but the fact that the FIA banned solutions that allowed floors to flex. This destroyed the Ferrari concept. Look at Mercedes; they carried a flawed concept since early 2022 and only changed it during the last race despite having one year to see how wrong it was. In comparison, Ferrari's concept was spot on until the end of August or the beginning of September 2022 and the introduction of the new technical directive. From that point, they lacked time to radically alter the previous concept.
@ yeah. You are right. They were quick despite obvious porpoising.
It is the history of the Ferrari - Chiellini
We BELIEVE in the history
Ferrari needs to fuckin set and see what is happening inside the team, like what the fuck are they doing???
Great explanation. Ferrari needs better engineers. Find the best, or if possible, poach them. Shame Adrian Newey has re-signed for Red Bull.
Adrian Newey: "Ferrari is a lot of money *for a short period of time.* " Says that man who has worked for Red Bull Racing for 15 years. Adrian also wants inputs on things like driver choices (which is why he left Williams), which is not going to be possible at an organisation Ferrari whereas at Red Bull he is in the office right next to Horner and has input on ALL operational decisions of Red Bull. TLDR: Newey is not dumb enough to go to Ferrari! Ferrari have churned through a LOT of perfectly good engineers like Pat Fry, Aldo Costa etc. Even for Barnard it was difficult, there was a Ferrari being designed in parallel at Maranello without his knowledge.
Better engineers will not magically solve Ferrari’s problems. It’s stability, and Ferrari does not regain stability very easily once it is lost. Corporate pressure especially makes it very difficult for them to build on slow progress, and make gradual and procedural improvements. Instead, the pressure from management and fans always demands immediate solutions and these are simply not possible in modern F1.
@@TassieLorenzo James Allison as well
Well, they got one thing correct; the changes did have an immediate impact. Just not in the direction they hoped for.
Mario & Luigi could do a better job
Does that mean Christian Horner is secretly Bowser?
@@digitaldeathsquid3448 nah that's totodile 😂😂
ferrari can keep changing aero parts thats not the issue, the pure fact is their suspension is horrible, give bad ride quality, like why was the car still boncuing and showing purposing this weekend. with that suspension setup it doesn't help with tyre management, all ferrari had to do to last year car was improve tyre management and get a bit more straight-line speed as the main reason they struggled was tyres in 2022 comes to 2023 and they are still having number 1 issue tyre management. the car has pace but its just bad in races, merc and redbull and aston have all manged to get a car that got good tyre management for race, even if some of them are not good over 1 lap.
After following this sport for 53 years now, and seeing teams go up and down, and sometimes down and out, I am convinced it will take a mircale for Ferrari rising to the top and truly be a challenger to RBR and M-B any time in the near future. I am more inclined to think McLaren has a better chance to get there than Ferrari does, and if Vasseur gets the pink slip in one or two years, this will be a sign Ferrari will be in limbo for many more years to come. Ironically in the beginning of 2022, it seemed as if Ferrari was back as a leading force in F1, but quickly we all learned this was an illusion.
Until they can solve the tyre problem there will be no progress. I’m guessing it’s more a suspension problem than aero.
New season
New boss
Same old Ferrari
Nothing will ever change at Ferrari
Ferrari is a shadow of it's former self
Ferrari is the same as it’s ever been. Schumacher Todt and brawn were the exception.
@garrylong2993 yes
Without those 3 ferrari would've have been less dominant and tbh no titles
The last time ferrari won a title before Schumacher was in 1979 with Jody schekter at the wheel
Same driver too 🙄
@@garrylong2993 Ferrari has the most constructor titles, the most driver titles and the most GP wins that any other team, making it is by FAR the most successful F1 team in history. Have at least some respect for the OG
@@cristiancanovawhy should we respect a bunch of clowns who constantly rap3s their own drivers though their incompetent strategies and car development?
Yeah, yeah, yeah... sometimes less is more. Harold Ramis...cough,cough..I mean Mattia Binotto...had Ferarri running much better collectively. Sure there were some strategy gaffes but they were in contention for several races. This year with Binitto out they're not even sniffing the RBR's exhaust fumes. In other words they're in a much worse place this year than they ever were under Binotto.
The problem with your video is that Ferrari's sidepods are not really downwash sidepods. Red Bull's sidepods are pure downwash sidepods because they don't have any inwash in front of the rear wheels. Ferraris still directs the air inward with the sidepods in front of the rear wheels. If you look closely you can see that they are pulled inward at their rear end. The photos with Flow Vis show quite clearly the inwash. So Ferrari's sidepods are still inwash, not downwash sidepods, because this concept is all about what happens to the air in front of the rear tires whether it is pulled inward or directed downward. Ferrari, like Sauber, directs it inward. Red Bull directs it downward. So Ferrari really hasn't made a concept change in this regard. And once again this proves, and you know this if you know anything about aerodynamics, that something that looks like downwash to laymen doesn't have to be and that aerodynamics is too complex to be analyzed by laymen by eye (which every professional knows and therefore would never do). So your analysis is wrong. Look at the flow-vis pictures of Ferrari's sidepods from Spain. Whereas you better do something like that before you publish a video. Besides, Mercedes looked bad in Monte Carlo too. And almost every other team needed several races to get their updates to work properly. So to judge Ferrari's update as bad after a race that also highlights Ferrari's general weakness is not only premature, but shows unprofessionalism. Regardless of whether it turns out to be correct later, because in fact it's simply a premature conclusion in view of the facts, but admittedly in Ferrari's current condition it's not a good one.
GO FERRARI ! It is frustrating , But They will be back .
Along with Williams.
Making Red Bull clones seems to be the only way to win in the current F1 regs. But Newey will always be one step ahead in that.
they will still find a way to mess up
not if James Allison has something to say 😎
They. Just need suspension that can keep everything in check
agreed..reading written press on F1 also ,days after RB got their wind tunnel & simulation penalties for 2023 , Newey was interviewed on the matter and slipped a few words (unnoticed at the time..I quote him : 'the wind tunnel test is only there to confirm what we already knew'...!!..it says a lot on Newey's confidence and his team of aero-magicians ..Newey still works with drawings (like Chapman) & observing how the wind flows over a race car from the side of the race track....he does not trust computer simulations like other teams do (Mercedes)..like he said..'he needs to smell , feel & touch the air flow ,rushing around the parts he has designed...
@@hectorherbert6585 he I is on the whole another level. He definitely lives what it does.
Big mistake making Binotto Team Principal. He was good as head of the technical division. Shouldve kept him there and continued with Arrivabene. They had upward momentum in 2017/18.
Hmm not sure Arrvabene added much. He also went on to Juve and that didn’t end well.
And how much of that "upward momentum" was down to an engine that in 2019 turned out to be illegal I wonder...
I think they might need to take a look at their suspensions. I don’t think their tyre issues are caused by any aerodynamics
Fred Vasseur is mid and nothing has changed with him at the helm, well Leclerc's mental health is in the garbage. At least that's new.
Expecting a team principal to make a difference in a couple of months is at best very wishful thinking.
That's not new...
I mean..... by the time Vasseur took over this role the car for this year was set in stone. I do think Ferrari needs serious changes in personell though, even from the race engineers who seem to be incompetent and sound like robots.
@@remy090 I don't blame him for the car but he's been too slow to make the organizational changes that have been needed for ages, why is Xavi still there for example?
@@nofxceghxst9192 They are checking...
I still don’t believe that the reason the RB is so far ahead is purely because of aero efficiency. Doesn’t make sense when the rest of the field are quite close. I still think the RB is doing something others aren’t as even Aston who have a RB designer and made a huge jump are miles behind RB.
It's the suspension
Its litteraly because they're better, have a complete and good strategy, and a good engine. Thank Adrien Newey for that, theres a reasonn hes a f1 legend.
I mean, have you seen Red Bull's floor. That alone looks way more sophisticated in design than all the other top team's floors. Then, I also think they have some sort of trick with the DRS which other teams haven't figured out yet.
RBR is the best in literally every category now. Ferrari was at least beating them at pit stops and race starts but now RBR is just the best at everything.
@@remy090 The "super-DRS" is part of the floor design. It's designed to stall when the DRS flap opens, reducing drag. I.e., the floor design is normally on the limit of stalling, and losing that suction support from the rear wing & beam wing (which also stalls when it loses that "support") makes the floor stall. You can ONLY do this if you know what you are doing (as Red Bull do), as if it stalls when you don't want it too you will obviously lose performance.
Bit more grip, bit more drag, same old race tire management issues. Monaco crane parade says they need a better floor.
Meanwhile latest Mercedes updated pay off with Hamilton No.2 & Russell No.3 in Barcelona. Russel easily catch up to Sainz & also when Russel 1 second infront Sainz, he wider that gap to 6 seconds in a few laps
and Russell outperforming Checo, that's what i am looking forward for the Next race, if Checo's Redbull stays in Mercedes' reviewmirror I can see them catching up Max for 2024.
@@ChuyR. too soon to say, just that checo isn't on the lvl of gr and lh. But mv is a level above em all at the moment. And besides this season rb had the aero penalty but next year it will be normal.
Forget about Ferrari,they’re in limbo at the moment,for whatever reason,which only them and Fia know!
TIME TO ABANDON F1 AND FOCUS ON HYPERCAR....... 😂😂😂😂😂
Kimi Raikkonen is still Ferrari’s last World Champion..
A few Marlboro stickers would make that thing waster
Mattia Binotto: miss me now?! 😅
It’s the people simple as that. Start hiring people with talent rather than the tiffosi’s
It’s like free R&D for HAAS. HAAS probably wont copy this if it doesn’t work
Ferrari is taking Haas and Alfa Romeo down with them. Alfa already has their exit strategy.
I wouldn't call the upgrades a failure yet. Catalunya circuit with the old turns 13 & 14 back is a tyre killer, and the SF-23 is not great on tyre wear so I think we can't make a full judgment until after Canada and Austria, the new concept is alien to Ferrari. The real issue holding the car back is the diffuser and rear suspension which are not quick to fix.
Can you do a video on Alpines development so far?
Ferrari are the football equivalent of Tottenham.
As a ferrari fan its fking painful to see but its nothing new,my honest opinion they should have never sacked binotto,this new car they have is his work and they will never get it to work without him,ferrari also need to change how there chairmen change every 4 years meaning they also change team principles way to often,theres so many things Ferrari need to do before they will ever be considered a top contender tean again
Binotto did himself no favours as team principal. He was unbelievably stubborn and inflexible.
@@wiegraf9009 true if not team principal he deserved a high position within the team,can't help but feel that Fred will definitely not do any better
Binotto got Arrivabene fired and is the reason Vettel was replaced with a useless midfield driver like Sainz.
Serves him right. Ferrari would’ve already won a championship if Arrivabene continued.
Binotto purposely sabotaged 2018 dividing the team politically right after Marchionne’s death when they should’ve just been focused on winning.
Ferrari is constantly chopping and changing only to end right back where they started. It seems like eventually they'd get tired of pissing away money but never succeeding. They should just quit F1 and come to NASCAR if only for the lulz.
@@BiggieTrismegistus Wait nascar fans exist
I think I've worked out the design error Ferrari have made.
They haven't designed a fast enough car. 🤔
Ah yes the car is made of car
i think you should apply as team principal at ferrari
Probably Hamilton’s feedback to Mercedes he’s been publicly talking about 😂
By 2023 it looked like everyone turned towards the RB concept except for Ferrari and Mercedes. Those two had a somewhat similar design, but it turned out they were wrong and the RB design is the ultimate one.
It seems that way, but who knows there might be a better solution that no one has thought of yet? It's a shame that Merc and Ferrari lost faith in their original concepts. Ideally if they wanted to change they should have done so at the start of the 2023 season so they could do it properly and not work around the compromises of modifying a car that was originally designed to be something else (like the side impact structure sticking out the side of the Ferrari...).
Bonus information: Jock Clear was the track engineer for Jenson Button in 2009, with Brawn.
Ferrari after todays performance reminded me very much of a meme with a dog in a burning building..............
Perhaps they should leave F1 and focus on passenger cars only, I hear they're doing very well there.
You mean their lmh and gt3 project? Yes their lmh is doing pretty well rn getting closer to the dominant toyota, and their 296 gt3 run by privateer just won in nurburgring this year.
Their biggest problem is that they're located in maranello... The best f1 engineers work in the UK. Where everyone else works except for sauber and alpha tauri. Why would they want to leave the uk right now... Ferarri doesn't have a job security. Management always changes. Why would anyone want to relocate to Italy... The last team that wasnt UK based and won a championship was Ferarri... and even before that it was ferarri years ago.
"Why would anyone want to relocate to Italy... " I mean the weather, food and scenery is a lot better than in Milton-Keynes and Brackley etc, so there's that! Milton-Keynes' only claim to fame is being the roundabout capital of the world, lol.
If they put more effort in sainz last year I 💯 believe carlos would have one but maybe I’m crazy
Sainz has shown time and time again he can't go toe to toe with the big boys. The only time he actually looks good is when Leclerc has an off weekend. Even today, he got beat to a podium by a guy starting ten positions behind him. Car's a mess sure, but great drivers make it work with inferior machinery.
@@mrgalaxy396 guess we will agree to disagree.
Ferrari Strategia... especiale! i feel for Leclerc... and Sainz too.... this team is still nowhere close to glory days of old.
The train wreck continues, in fact worse. Saw the upgrades on Friday and I wasn't particularly excited with the design and true enough the performance still sucks. It all started on the back foot when Fred Vasseur made it a point that the team wouldn't touch the front suspension at least for Barcelona. At that point, I already knew things were going to be bad. Knowing the worst weakness of the SF-23, that being tire deg, there was just no way you could do without redesigning the geometry of the front suspension or even changing major principle say from a pull-rod to push-rod design if you are going to attempt to make some major strides forward. Let's be honest, Ferrari already got lucky by the fact that for some reason Aston Martin unexpectedly just fell off the map unlike how well they have been doing thus far. If not, I think is safe to say you can pretty much expect the highest position Ferrari can get to is 7th.
Based on the post-race interviews especially from Charles, the Scuderia is completely lost. It almost feels like they might even do better if they just roll out the F1-75 from last year and I am not totally joking. The F1-75 actually performed way better than the SF-23 apart from the reliability issues at the time. Now that the power unit has been fixed, you could argue once they turn up the engine, the F1-75 might give Charles and Carlos a better chance with an easier car to drive. Then, you just write off the season and focus all energy and resources into developing the 2024 car full steam. 2023 is already done for the Scuderia folks whether you like it or not. You might as well just accept it and enjoy the benefit of getting much more badly needed wind tunnel time coming 4th in the constructors behind Red Bull, Mercedes and Aston Martin. Make no mistake, If they can't show up with at least a competitive if not a winning car come next season, heads will roll sooner than you think. This current extreme downward spiral of the Scuderia is simply not sustainable.
And something more medium to longer term as food for thought, I think if Fred Vasseur is doing his job, he might want to float the idea to John Elkann to set up base in the UK working in conjunction with the factory and main facilities in Maranello. This was exactly what Toto Wolff decided to do from the onset for Mercedes even when all the major facilities are in Germany. Why? Simple, hiring. UK is where the main talent pool is. Do you have any idea how many F1 employees are British from CEO, COO, technical directors, strategy directors all the way down to the mechanics who change the tires? Absolutely truckloads. Literally. Not to mention that is where most of the teams are based which makes headhunting for staff that much easier. Just to cite one such example, you heard it yourselves when Adrian Newey revealed how many times Ferrari had approached him throughout the years and admitted one of those instances got really close, but he had a young family at the time so he decided to turn it down to stay put in the UK. I am not suggesting Ferrari will then be able to hire Newey, the ship has long sailed on that one. Newey is already 64 plus he has also just extended with Red Bull. Another one is James Ellison who resigned from Ferrari after his wife passed away to return to the UK to raise his kids. So, location matters, that is the point.
The reality is that it's another disappointing and embarrassing year to be a Ferrari fan..
Unless you're looking at hypercar and GT3, where they're kicking ass.
@wiegraf9009 all their former F1 staff left for LMH xDDD
i still think pick Fred Vasseur for team boss was mistake, vasseur from a not front runner team , his little bit lack of top team mentality, not his fault,the problem manly the Ferrier culture or structure , too easy to fire people when things not going too well.
Pain.
Obviously this isn't true but if it ever came out that Binotto deliberately sabotaged the SF-23's development as an act of revenge for losing his job, it would not surprise me in the slightest.
Who’s to blame this week and who’s head will be on the chopping block next…😂. I’m sure those in the upper echelons of management will once again interfere because they know best. Pffff, they should all stand down themselves and give those that know a go!
Ferrari is pathetic. It gets huge additional payouts that the other teams don't get, but they continue to fail.
I know the reason.
Arrogance. Ferrari think just because they are Ferrari they should be the best.
Well there ego, pride is letting them down. Merc had their fair and share of this last season. Ferrari with their pride being ao high is what affecting them heavily in strategy and in development. They hold the “ferrari” name js what makes them suffer. They seem to care more about name than the proper f1 game of development and strategy
I’ve never seen aero explained that well, the visuals were a really nice touch. You should do a video where you detail the differences in aero amongst the top cars.
yep, people just want to focus on "Adrian Newey is a genius" thing, but no one is able to explain why his concept is the best.
@@ChuyR. "but no one is able to explain why his concept is the best." Yeah they are able to -- try the B Sport channel for example. The Red Bull isn't greedy, it doesn't chase peak downforce (as Ferrari and Mercedes do with their narrower throats in their venturi floors), it chases consistent, ride height agnostic downforce with a very rearwards centre of pressure of the floor to make sure the car stays balanced. When especially Mercedes rolled out with a very aggressive floor at the start of 2022 to chase peak numbers, the Red Bull rolled out with much taller, less aggressive venturi tunnels and even to date, the Red Bull is the only car that does not expand the diffuser to the maximum permitted volume of the legality box.
Even so (not chasing extreme peak downforce at very low ride heights, cough Mercedes W13), to keep the aero platform stable the Red Bull still has a VERY good suspension system. The Red Bull RB18 rolled out with excellent anti-dive and anti-squat suspension properties to keep the car (or more importantly the aero devices) stable and level.
Having built that strong foundation and good understanding, they were able to build in a "super DRS" where there are now aggressive kicks in the diffuser (which Mercedes originally had in 2022 but then removed) to put the diffuser on the limit of stalling, so that it stalls when DRS opens and the diffuser loses the suction support from the rear wing -- hence getting the huge drag reduction on DRS. You can only do that if you absolutely know what you are doing (as Red Bull do), as having the diffuser stall when you don't want it to means you could lose all your downforce in the middle of a corner!
Re: the wide downwashing sidepods as Red Bull (and some others like Apine and AlphaTauri) launched with: these keep the front tyre wakes outboard (important to do, but difficult now that bargeboards aren't allowed) while drawing clean air over the top down to the beam wing and top of the diffuser. 🙂
I think they should have Binotto as the Head of the Development Team and Vasseur as the Team Principal.
It has been a while that Ferrari was really able to "invent" something. Pretty lackluster compared to other teams on the grid.
But i take it with a grain of salt so to speak, Ferrari in the last couple of years had many leading figure changes and a lot of instability inside of the team.
I would guess that the pressure is just different at Ferrari and that leads to poor and afraid choices. You know.
Its not as simple as it looks, but could they focus on the suspension and floor? Its one area that Ferrari is so under-developed on tye grid.
Bring back last year’s car. Is that possible? Please
Last year Ferrari had the strongest car, with a great engineer and team principal: Binotto. Reminds me when they had Prost and cesare Fiorio and fired both then come 1992/1993 where they were nowhere.
Considering Ferrari have issues with ride height and still have some visible bouncing, I’m surprised they have not updated their suspension to anti dive. Aston and Mercedes have done this but Ferrari has yet to do it themselves
Hope the mirrors helped.
Ferrari championship write off: 16 years and counting.
It's so painful to see the decline of Ferrari from the beginning of 2022 to now. Praying that next season the Scuderia will be back fighting for wins. 🙏🏽
thats how they get their fans, based on faith, cuz if we look at what they are really capable of....its just red marketing
@@fe247 Well to be fair, their road cars are also very good. 🙂 Even if (sadly) the percentage of Tifosi who can afford to own a Ferrari is probably not that high.
I thought they said the new management will make all things better. Clearly they should have given Mattia Binotto a bit more time. They made a few dumb mistakes last year but were a very strong team.
Ferrari fans to Ferrari" Tell me why are we so blind to see that the ones we hurt are you and me."
Ferrari's chances to improve look dismal until 2026..
Ferrari fails because it is too italian. It's outrageous that they are so prejudiced in this era. It's bordering on racism, but the rest of the world is having the last laugh as they continue to fail even with their massive unfair bonses from F1.
I don't think it's got anything to do with being italian. They just have no clue who to hire.
@@angilolissimo5331 they largely hire within the circle of a small country.
The rest of the F1 teams hire from planet earth.
It's not just that, Italians are so critical of ferrari that the company gets scared to even breathe.
It's a truly toxic environment.
So proud of Scuderia Ferrari. They should have it all ironed out by 2026. 🙄🙄🙄
Ferrari can't get anything right.. and haven't since 2008. Clown show ever since
3:40 just by the look, you can see the RB is more aggressive with air, better aero, generating more rear grip I guess
Ferrari must change the car colour to black or silver. That red weighs too much by just looking at it. Otherwise the car perfect IMO.
Ferrari’s aim to remain mediocre seems pretty successful 🎉 now they don’t have to deal with complicated race strategies coz they don’t even have enough pace to begin with 😉
Men of vision and brilliance build great race teams…the imprints of Michael Schumacher and Russ Brawn are forever left on
the great Ferrari legacy of 1999-2004…and then later on the 2014-2021 Mercedes triumphs…but now, mediocrity reigns…
Ferrari would have been very competitive even if they run the F1-75 only by fixing their tyre management problem. Aero is fine. The problem is in the suspension and floor.
mercedes brings some updates p2 p3 finish
ferrari brings update no change
I love the bathtub design. Ferrari have ruined themselves by copying a worse version of red bulls design instead of their own
Something is rong at Ferrari,in this 15 years everything new not working, someone or maybe they have a pact to not win.
No way that they can't come with something,they have money, brain, resources etc.
100% is something , but I'm like a fan I'm 🤮🤮🤮🤮
Every single team with a long standing pedigree or extensive support from major car companies should be ashamed of themselves (not just Ferrari).
How in the world is a LEMONADE COMPANY from Austria beating them at their own game?!
both Mercedes & Ferrari will have to start from a blank board (again)..slapping on new parts on a mediocre car will not work...the entire package needs to function as one unit...also one heavy comment Newey made ,when RB found out their wind-tunnel & computer simulation time penalties..'the wind tunnel is only there to confirm what we already knew'..!!!..OUCH..!!
They won’t win a championship for the next 10 years . They’re hopeless
Won't matter, Ferrari are a mid-field team because they don't care enough, probably due to being Italian, the 2022 start phenomenon was only due to Merc and RB fighting it out until the end of 2021. The pace at which they're losing that edge though, and not just to RB but also to Merc and AM is staggering. 2025 will be RB vs Merc with RB being what Merc was in 2021, Ferrari are going to fight for a distant 3rd with AM by then.
They should cancel their PR/social media department. Take that money and resource and channel into the car and the paddock. Same with any other fluffy departments. Make it all about racing again. Sick of Ferrari’s shabby chase for glamour; shame on them for staining their hard fought legacy. Wake up Marinello!
Just seems like the brain trust at Ferrari is stuck. Insisting that they can get it to work won’t equate to wins, just frustration and rumor. Not really what you look for or expect from a team like Ferrari 🤦🏻♂️
People seem to forget that it is mainly the TD39, particularly the rule against flexy floors, that has destroyed the SF-75 concept from Spa and had a substantial knock-on effect on this year's car. The whole concept was damaged back then and became as useless as the Mercedes' no sidepod concept. However, although Mercedes had an entire year to analyse, understand and create a new concept for Barcelona, Ferrari could not enjoy the same process as that directive arrived at Spa 2022 when the 2023 project was already well established.
The biggest problem with Ferrari is because of the budget cap they've lost their ability to just throw heaps of money at the problem till it's better.
Lol... Seems that Ferrari still isn't doing any better, money alone just don't get it done!
Ferrari is embarrassing and put itself in a hole by acting late on changing course. Mercedes built a car in 3 months. They can too. This excuse about a new car not been ready until October is lame.
That most certainly not changed concept. It's still red.
Don’t get to excited about Mercedes 1 they are way behind Red Bull 2. As ToTo said yesterday was the ideal window as far as conditions for Mercedes ….. let’s see how she plays out But yes Ferrari have been bad … they should have been batteling Red Bull again and they took a leap back very disappointing
there 22 chassis is slow and surely been molded in to a red bull chassis in 2023.but there unwilling to jump the gun like other team Aston martin and build of a design like red bull .. probably because Ferrari engineers have there pride on the line. i suspect a toxic work environment of self entitlement. and when they fail pass the buck. i dont know what there trying to achieve.
Ahh, that "less abruptly" sounded quite abrupt.
I have been a ferrari fan since i was a kid in the 90s. But they dont deserve it anymore. Utterly oathetic that for almost 17byears they havent been able to develop a good car and win.
I have the utmost respect fir RedBull. Diminated twice in the kast 3 regulation changes. Mercedes were ok kast year but are constantly improving. Aston Martin were almost last and now are fighting fir 2nd place. And we have ferrari who started iff 2022 as one if the best cars and now have dropped down so bad that i doubt theyll find it difficult to even finish 5th in the championship.
I said this last year that 2023 we will see them becoming a midfueld team and it has come true. I dont foresee them winning anuthing till the next regulation changes and probably nothing after that.
Always been a Ferrari fan but always disappointed after the race..