Mizuno MP20 HMB vs Mizuno JPX919 Forged Matchup
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- Mizuno MP20 HMB vs Mizuno JPX919 Forged Matchup. Today we take a look at 2 of the most popular irons within their category and find out how much difference or similarities there are in these two irons. One being the most forgiving of the MP range vs the mid range Forged option in the JPX line.
How do they feel? How do they look? What performance differences are there between these two irons. Watch and see.
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Thanks for the review. Been wondering why no one has put these head to head before! I've had a full set of HMBs (3-PW) for 6 months now and absolutely love them. The 919 Forged was what I was seriously considering before the HMB came out. In my testing I thought the feel with the HMBs was a lot better that the 919F which I found too clicky for a Mizuno forged club. Its incredible how good the HMB feel for a hollow iron! On the performance stakes the HMB also launched higher, carried slightly further, with a steeper decent angle and more spin. I thought the Forged were a good looking iron, but the HMB looks miles better. You really can't ask for a better combo than all of that! And the 3-4 irons are incredible. As someone else mentioned they blend perfectly in look and distance into the T20 wedges as well. Forgiveness is very good and distance consistency is top notch, again rare for a hollow iron. Mizuno really hit it out of the park with these.
I changed from MB-716 to HMB this season and it’s clearly more forgiving and also noted as your data friendly on heel shots and they do fly higher. If I am being picky then I’d like to see less offset and a slightly thinner top line. Positively they blend very well into the T20 wedges.
Just bought HMB’s -lovely , soft, quite easy to hit
My set
Ping G410 plus with Ping Tour 65 shaft
Cobra F9 3 wood-14.5/16 deg
Cobra F9 21 deg Hybrid
Mizuno Mp-20 HMB PW-4 iron regular True Temper 105 steel shafts
Wedges- Titleist SM-8 Vokey wedges - 52 deg bent to 51 deg ( F Grind) , 56 Degree ( D grind) , 60 deg (M Grind)
Putter -Odyssey Stoke Lab - half mallet with toe weight added
That's a great set.
Great work once again Jay. I'm in line to get the Mp20 mmc . Currently have the Mp 30s which i love but are 18 yrs young. I wish you put out content more often and look forward to your next video.....
Hi Dean, thanks for the kind words. Work and Family life stop me from being able to produce content in the masses. One day I might decide to go full time TH-cam but enjoy my Coaching and Custom Fitting too much to let that go at present.
Maybe I should do a match up with the MP20 MMC but this time maybe against say a Ping iron...... Which Ping iron would you say would take on the MP20 MMC?
Thanks for the comment and for watching.
@@AskGolfNut I forgot that you have a new addition to the family! Congrads by the way. As far as what Ping iron to compare i haven't a clue . I'm not a Ping fan so why don't you pick one i trust your knowledge! Lol . Look forward to your next video. Stay well and safe!!!!
"Every so often you'll hit a poor shot". WRONG, every so often I hit a good shot!
Hi Matt, hopefully those every so often good shots keep you wanting to practice more to hit more of them.
Get some tuition if you feel you need it and are open to it, and above all enjoy 👍
Skylark I would appreciate if you could please keep comments on topic and not spam. Thanks
Wanted this video comparison for ages! Great vid
HMB’s all the way make me feel like a blade player when I was younger. Like the bit at the end, “ while your down there” also made me feel younger.
Got the JPX919 Forged. Beautiful clubs. Unfortunately, the HMB are NOT available as a set for left-handed golfers.
HI Max, yep its the classic situation that lefties face. I myself am a left hander however learned to play right handed from an early age. Mizuno do offer a certain number of irons in their range in left handed option, however due to the small amount sold, Mizuno actually make no profit at all from the left handed market as the cost of production is covered just by the money they make from the sales, hence why they have to be careful which heads they make available.
Thanks for the comment and for watching.
They do a 921 sel for lefties 6 to gap in tour and 4 and 5 in forged but they sort the lofts 4 degree increments
Nice work!! I will be switching from the MMC Mp18s into the HMB....
Did the switch...Stock shafts compared to half inch longer on my MMCs. Though I cant say that these hurt less on a miss strike I can say that my distances are much more consistent. At the range a pure strike with the MMC 8 iron would go 150 and on the course i seem to loose 10 yards. the HMB I am 150 all across the board and hitting all my irons the dame distance as the range and its amazing. When i get better i will go back to blades or do a mix bag but golf is already hard enough.
Great review Jay, good to see you back. Looking forward to the next one!!
Hi Alberto, I was thinking about doing something say with the G710 against....... Hot Metal Pro?????
@@AskGolfNut Wow! The battle of the hollow heads.... Would be interesting.
Nice review, Jay - thanks. Love the detail and the effort put into this
Great video - will you update and compare HMB with 921 Forged?
If there's enough call for it, I can't see it being a problem 👍
Yes that would be a great comparison
Yes!!!!! HMB vs 921 Forged that would be a very interesting and needed review.
Perfect timing for this video! My buying decision is down to these 2 irons.
Hi Mike, and did it help you decide which way you'd prefer to go?
Thanks for the comment and for watching.
I'm a big cobra guy .they are my fav6clubs and all I buy usually but I found a set of 919 hm 4-sw with project x lz 4.0 senior 60 gram shaft and I never hit clubs so good.i now know what the term butter soft means.ill never switch back to another club
When I changed my irons last year it came down to choice between 919 Forged and i210s. The 919 Forged is really easy to hit, one of the straightest hitting iron I have ever tried and a nice feel (although I prefer the feel of i210s). There were, for me, 2 flaws with the 919 Forged: it is a little too long from heel to toe to be pretty; and they are too straight hitting, I found it very difficult to put any shape on the ball.
In the end I bought i210s and they are fantastic, they were a little better in dispersion and consistency but the MP20 HMB was not available then. On balance I prefer the HMB to the 919 Forged - I would love to combo them with the 919 Tours which I absolutely love but anything longer than a 7i is way too small for me to hit consistently (the 5i actually scares me!)
Hi, I’ve got the HMBs from 2-PW I don’t use the two iron unless it’s windy to be fair but I don’t notice the sound you said you get from them.
Maybe because your inside I’m not sure and they do feel soft as anything I’ve hit, I love the feel and performance from these irons and I would recommend any modern Mizuno irons to anyone but there are so many good irons out these days, and depending on what your looking for from your irons the choice is endless.
The one thing I do like is that the irons are not strong lofted compared to some 7irons coming in around 28 degrees!!!! But like I said it’s a game for everyone and if strong lofts help you go for it.
Nice comparison 👍👍👍
Thanks Geordie, the HMB's are a Forged MP at the end of the day so they feel nice to fit as did the 919 Forged. Pipped by the HMB's on feel front and looks also. Apart from the higher price tag on the HMB's for me they are a clear winner.
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
I need the forgiving 1. MP20 HMB are my dream irons, I can't afford...
Great comparison Jay! With the JPX921 out I have a question: I recently switched from g410 7-4 irons to the HMB -love them. Have i210 8-GW but considering upgrading to one of these: HMB, 921 tour or 921 forged. Need more forgiveness than blades. What might you recommend? Might you do a comparison video for us around the 9-12 handicap range?
Great review. Look forward to the next one ☝🏼
Hi Gavin, glad you enjoyed the video 👍
AskGolfNut any chance of a Ping review next? Something like I210 vs iBlade?
That was funny when you said "I wack a load" 😭😭
I had the 919 Forged in 2017,, played about 15 rounds with them , yes they’re very forgiving ! I can remember plenty of toe shots that barely lost any distance.. Couple of issues I encountered >>. The grooves on the 8 iron collapsed, by the time i reached out to Mizuno the following year, the 1 yr. warranty was missed by literally about a week and they wouldn’t honor it .. I had to purchase a replacement 8 iron. 2nd, the satin finish really got ugly over time... it looked stained and spotty all over... i wasnt a fan.. I sold them shortly after i got the replacement 8 iron. 3rd: the Boron made it feel too hard ... combination of all 3 left me a bad taste in my mouth ...
Nice review Jay....
Can’t leave them wet otherwise you are bound to get the satin finished rubbed off
How'd ever leave their Mizuno irons wet and uncared for 😁 #deathpenalty 😁
AskGolfNut the guy that said his mizunos got ugly over time 🤣😂
Charlie Bower I never left them wet. Always washed the heads w. Soap and towel dried them after each round
Great video again mate 👍🏻I was just wondering how much forgiveness and feel the mp20 mmc is compared to the jpx forged? Good to see you stay safe.
I tried both In my fitting with Jay. mmc wins for me the feel was amazing compared to my irons (xr Pro) and forgiveness is relative to swing but I found a bad swing/contact still gave good results. Hopefully I be picking my new irons this week.
HI Steve, had a few requests now to include the MMC, would you like a retake of this video but with the MMC or would you like to see the MMC up against another club say Ping i210 or i500 to mix it up a bit?
Update yesterday Ian, they are working on your order, obviously with the current pandemic circumstances and with the factory being at half capacity at best, orders are taking longer than usual. But they are in processing....
Will let you know the moment they arrive..
AskGolfNut thanks for the reply mate it’s just that I play the jpx forged and always wondered if I would be able to use the mp20 mcc and still get the same great results off of off centre hits but with better feel ?
I'm considering blending a set and I've been looking at combo's of JPX 921 Tour and 921 Forged vs MP20 or MP20MMC and the MP20HMB. The review is not of the same versions but I'm impressed with the rigor of your review. Thank you nice job
I've got a blending review of the JPX921 lineup coming soon which can be used for all families for all manufacturers as long as the lofts can be blended (some easier than others).
Subscribe and watch this space as I'm finishing the edit soon 👍
Nice review!! I do have a question for you. What is it about your swing that makes the ball spins that much ? I’ve never seen numbers like these I mean you have a 160 carry shot with a 94 mph swing
Hi Julien, in reference to my spin, I used to be a nominal spin player but suffered somewhat from control into greens especially on the longer shots, so over the past few seasons I've been working on hitting the ball higher and increasing my descent angle into greens. This has had a double advantage of gaining control and usable spin.
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
@@AskGolfNut Good for you! I really enjoyed the extra analysis on certain misshits and the overall number of shots you take to make your numbers more accurate! Will really look for your videos for my next set of club if that happens because I just bought the 919 forged! Had some 1987 tommy armour 845s lol!
Anyway great videos!
Awesome review! I’m considering 921 Forged. I’ve been playing MP62s for 10 years. Love them but I am a 18 hdcp. I know it’s all subjective but, in your own opinion, what are your thoughts on what my changeover experience may be from an old MP to a new JPX? Im scheduled for a fitting next week and I plan to try the new MPs as well. I would love to game some MMCs because they’re gorgeous and they’re playability is closer to my current set, but I’m trying to be smart about it and keep improvement in mind. Thanks.
Aaron I wouldn't discount the HMB's as they are a cracking club, quite forgiving and playable for golfers well outside the normal handicap scales....
Aaron Lamb what did you go for?
I feel like a sinner but the fitting went great.
I wasn’t a fan of the JPX forged looks at address and wasn’t feeling the love from the tour. The HMB was okay but wasnt what I expected after all the hype. But the MMC, my god, it was amazing. Looks, feel/sound trajectory, has the whole package. I was in love. I was about to reach for my wallet to buy the MMCs when my pro handed me the P770. I don’t care much about distance as I do trajectory but, Holy s***! I’m 45 and haven’t hit a 7i over 200yds since I was in my 20s. P770 was carrying 208 yds avg (I know the lofts are a few degrees different in the P770 than my mp62s, but c’mon). They had everything I liked about the MMC except the mishits were shockingly longer and straighter in the 770s. Great feel with a little more smack sound that let me know I nuked it every time. I like the weight better than the MMCs and could feel the club head better throughout my swing. The MMCs are a bit prettier but the 770s are sexy as hell.
I purchased 5-pw with the Gold S300 shafts.
Aaron Lamb that’s interesting to hear, I’ll be in the market for a new set in the new year and have been swaying towards the jpx forged or apex forged, haven’t considered Taylor made but from what I’m hearing about the new releases they may be the ones to go for
Jamie alnaimi yes it was unexpected to love a Taylormade. The JPX Forged strikes really well and was long, but I’ve been so used to looking down at my 62s for the past 10 years that I had to have a similar topline. I don’t think my pro gave me a Callaway to try now that I’m thinking about it. Good luck in your search.
Any chance you wanna do MMC vs 921 Tour?!?!
Great analysis!
Thanks Peter 👍
Any video comparing 921 forged, t200 and zx5? Thanks! Love the % of efficiency on strikes in %. Amazing work.
from what I understand, the JPX919 Forged have more offset than the MP 20 HMB. Could that explain why the 919 Forged were fractionally left?
Hi John. Just how I reacted to the club in that instance. Possibly because of the CG being slightly more toe side, striking it with a slightly closed face to counter the potential twisting from off centre strike.
I wouldn't get too much out of dispersion left and right, that is much more down to the individual at that time. More so front to back dispersion is a better indicator.
Also offset doesn't necessarily have the impact that most believe as its a bit of a golf myth..... One of many unfortunately.
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Missed slightly right today with the HMB's. Hit 14 GIR, and most were right of target. Not drastic, but right.
@@AskGolfNut i combo the Hot Metal Pros with HMB 6&5 because I don't like seeing the back of the club - and yes, first hit or two when hitting balls on the range on the HMB always come out start line right - and it's not a lie angle thing because in your own data the heavier toe of the Forged has dropped the dynamic toe more than the lighter in the toe HMB. I haven't figured it out myself yet so I just tell myself to deliver a lower handle and that works - it's sort of bizarre
Aren't we in a refresh year for the JPX line up? Usually late summer?
Word on the street is because of COVID19 all releases have been delayed until 2021.... 😕
Mizuno is still planning on releasing a new JPX lineup in the fall
Which out of these two clubs would fit a slower swinger, say 87mph with driver?
Hi Peter, all depends on strike/dynamic loft delivered. Toe strikes seem to favour the 919 Forged whilst people that heel may find the HMB more helpful. Tough to give an accurate opinion, obviously I would say test both, but possibly for future proofing again depending on your point in your golfing life, I'd choose the HMB's. They may give you a touch more launch and spin to help peak heights. Slower swingers tend to have issues with peak heights and therefore descent angles into greens so I would always chose the option that gives you the best height and spin.
Thanks for the comment and for watching.
@@AskGolfNut Thanks for that. I tend to be more of a heel striker if I do hit off centre so it would appear HMB should be ideal. Great video too.
Where exactly are you based please, I dont think you're far fro me and I'm thinking of changing my irons soon, currently gaming 900 forged.
Evening Simon, I'm based at Bury Golf Range in Suffolk. If you would like to arrange a potential visit then feel free to email me on askgolfnut@gmail.com 👍
Which iron would you say is more forgiving?
Off the heel or toe?......
@@AskGolfNut Just generally , heel , toe and high , low
In that case it's the Hot Metal but generally do club is forgiving in all locations.... Physics state something has to give....
Buddy, if Mizuno makes underwear, you are set with the full oem outfit head to toe! Enjoyed the vid.
Newman, how did you know what underwear I was wearing :-) and nope they don't make socks either :-) I like the Mizuno apparel and have purchased a lot of it over the years. All manufacturers nowadays make amazing golf clothing so its just picking a brand which suits your taste. Mizuno make some great golf shoes too :-)
Thanks for the comment and for watching.
I have the the 850 forged and they came with lofts and lies out of spec... gotta double check them for the best tests. I m just guessing that might be at least a bit of the left right deviation.
great test overall
*Made in China
Are those HMB actually made in Japan or are they Chinese production like the JPX 919 Hot Metals?
Let me answer my own question... Mizuno replied stating all forged irons are made in Japan, including these HMBs. JPX 919 Hot Metals, are Chinese production.
@@wretchedrider2157 Just watched an official Mizuno video titled "Assembly line for Mizuno custom fit golf clubs". I noticed around the 2 minute mark that the close up of the JPX 850 Forged were in bags marked "Made In China". So take that for what its worth. This shocked me a bit. I've been playing Mizuno irons for the last 15+ years and never even considered they were made anywhere but Japan.
@@seizethecarp_ Yeah I see it, right at the 2:24 mark. At the end of the day, millions of golfers use Chinese made clubs as the majority of brands are made there but the MIJ fact is one of the reasons I choose Mizuno. For what it's worth, I didn't have a red Made in China bag over my clubs. MP-20 HMB, right on the box, says "Head made in Japan, shaft made in Japan, assembled in USA". But you know... Every time I asked in writing (email), all I got was that they are "forged in Japan". So if they're playing a game of semantics, that could mean they are actually made in China but yes of course sir they are forged right here in Japan! Time to shop for Srixon? They were forthright and said exactly where each component was made and where it was assembled.
Ok, Mizuno confirmed the club heads are made in Japan (forged/created), then sent to China for the finish/protective coating, then to USA/wherever you live for final assembly. At least they were transparent with their answer when I asked directly.
I thought the 919 looked okay until I seen the topline, then I almost threw up in my mouth a little bit.
Great vid, just got the HMB 2 iron, might get to use it by May, bloody lockdown :)