Sombra BUFF or NERF?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2023
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Translocator is enderpearl now ☠️☠️☠️
Didn't even think of it that way, lol
@@blinkdejavu5273not even, it won't land before it auto tps you
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Read enor pearl
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He didnt look very happy while reading 😭
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Something that occurred to me while watching this is Sombra's ability to now pester and bring supports down low. Virus being a DOT like dynamite or venom mine means the support passive won't kick in until after the virus is gone, and that's 4 extra seconds to hide, get stealth, translocate in, and then gun them down. The tighter spread on initial shots and faster reload time also play into this by landing chip damage to reset the healing passive timer even more often.
Yeah but Sombra really only goes for supports at the lower ranks. At higher ranks they just stick close to eachother and Sombra gets more value just hacking and farming the tank. Moira, Ana, and Kiriko are still going to be just as annoying, and Brig can still self heal. Mercy and Zen are still probably going to be her best matchups, and of course Ana without nade. But supports have a lot of escapes and self heals to deal with Sombra even now.
From the look of this rework she's not suppose to be a Flanker anymore as they said the rework are towards working with the team.
Problem is even with that there's a lot of burst heals, movement abilities and invulnerabilities to deny everything sombra did outside of getting a kill.
@@dangerbeans9639im pretty sure high level sombra playing like that is part of the reason for the rework. it really sucks but there were many parts of sombras kit that were either really unfun and boring at higher level or extremely pubstomping at lower ranks. she has such a ridiculous dichotomy in play style. moira is also like that but moira is relatively weak at high level instead and isn’t really an “issue”.
i do feel bad for sombra players and even as someone who played sombra as well. her translocator is what im most worried about, i genuinely think they did a really good job keeping most of her kit intact. trans having to go made sense for what they were trying to do, even if it was a core part of her identity. i guess we’ll see, im actually really curious to play her more now
@@dangerbeans9639 thats what the bad sombras do in my opinion
A lot of Sombra in any elo would swap to her to counter a Doom/Ball but they don't know how to play the hero
If you're experienced enough on your tank skills, that's basically a dps that isn't doing anything (ofc she can still be annoying and be useful because how she disables doomfist and ball by hacking them at the RIGHT time).
But being gm and having sombra on my most played the past few seasons, i can tell you that going for the backline or the frontline only depends on which is the most valuable, chain hacking a tank only makes the game slow down a bit, but you are not actively moving towards a fight won. Could work against teams with an over-comitting tank + no follow up from their team
The thing is, in soloQ supports sticking with each other means that the frontline is weak, and so dps that dare step in a dangerous spot are vulnerable to a Sombra (because 200hp is easier to kill than a 600hp tank double pocketed). In higher elos, Support understand the value of off angles, and the value of dps'ing, they will be at times not stacked together. And if they dont that means, a huge area of the map is free for the sombra to setup a close Translocator to uptime your dmg/charging EMP, a lot like Fitzy would do.
Being able to see low health targets was nearly her best feature 😢. But I could see with these changes it is too much- doesn't really fit with the play style they seem to be going for. Feels icky but we'll see.
Truly a #rip.
Not really. It was like 5th best after emp, hack, invis, damage boost on hacked targets
I 1000% agree low health targets was one of the best parts
Deserved.
It's more of a handicap you can easily track people and just look at their health
My biggest gripe with Sombra's many reworks is that she's getting further and further away from her design. In Overwatch 1 she had the ROLE of a hacker, her kit was designed with recon in mind and damage second, like a hacker that sits outside of the fight and gives information to their team to breach the enemy. The fact that she was a hacker is because her gameplay was of a hacker. Now hacker is just an aesthetic, she has a kit that could be coated with any number of styles, she isn't a hacker anymore, she's just dressed like a hacker.
Like before her entire kit was recon tools to help your team, invisibility to look at the enemies positions, teleport to multitask/reach enemies and allies instantly, hack to disable important targets, opportunist to know about critical health and ultimate charges, even her low damage was a tool for distracting enemies from the team fight. Now it's just damage, damage and a teleport to deal more damage.
the worst part is that even if they are trying to make her more committed to her engages, they took away opportunist so you cant actually kill anyone by yourself
I 100% agree, this just becomes more and more boring. We went from 2017 Sombra being a DPS/Support hybrid, having huge map control due to the healthpack EMP playstyle and phase gameplay to gather intel on the enemy team to this assassin playstyle. She just looks like a variant of Tracer now.
Because with 5v5, DPS are more important in breaking enemy comps more than ever. If only one DPS actually do damage while the other one only sit in the backline, the enemy team will quickly outdamage and kill them.
@@BlueV205not...necessarily. sombra's style even with the low damage forced the enemy to contest her otherwise they die to people attacking their front from lower health. Or if they turn around to engage her teammates can mow the enemy down when distracted. Results matter more than DPS in a game like this. If you do a lot of damage but not get much done to finish objective your contribution is worthless
I've been waiting to hear Fitzys take on this change before I get pissed. I feel like it's a HUGE nerf taking away translocators manual teleport.
Yeah I kinda wish it teleported when either the trans hit the ground OR before then if the sombra triggered the ability again
@@emmettshaw967 yuuuuut. No more, throw Trans + emp over the enemy team as the team fight is about to happen :(
It will probably feel more fun to play against though.
@@XxCaptRedBeard I'm sure you'll figure out the range that you need to be at to pull it off. Dva players are able to place their bombs accurately afterall and the new translocator will automatically go off after .25 seconds. You may have to load into the maps and throw your translocator away from the standard capture point to see where you end up at first, but that will be close to where you will want to be standing to throw it in the reverse direction to end up over the team.
@@XxCaptRedBeard trans activates automatically after 0.25s so you can prob still do trans emp
I’m not even a sombra main but I always liked that she can see low targets through walls I think it could be pretty cool to have it so she can still see them but only while in stealth or something or give it like a range so sombra can only see them if she’s fairly close I’m just gonna miss hunting ppl down like a futuristic assassin:(
is it only me who thinks sombra was just fine how she was? this "rework", at least in paper, makes it look like she'll be a straight up throw pick
not really infinite stealth was a problem
She was already bad and only fit in a niche, but yeah after this? She's complete trash
Virus sounds ok, the stealth nerf and turning translocator into a crappy blink sounds awful.
@@magicaiitem1845they didn’t remove infinite stealth.
@@magicaiitem1845 She's still got infinite stealth.
And it's only a problem for people who want to play boring standard FPS games
finally the literal only Sombra opinion i've been waiting for!
Yeah.
Translocator was so valuable especially when fighting characters that can oneshot or easily kill you as close range. Now it's much harder to take those fights, especially because of how strong supports are. Now all people really have to do it just sit next to their teammates & sombra's value basically gets thrown out the window.
no more throwing the translocator (but not using it) to distract the hanzo so you can win the 1v1
blizzards hates sombra and all of its players
Lol that’s for every hero… stand next to the op support and don’t die lol. This is 100% a buff you’ll see
@@TiagoMorbusSathey hate tank players more… sombra is going to be busted in the tank matchup even more. And make tanking that much worse rn… If ur not playing support ur doin it wrong.
lol, spoken like a person who doesn't play sombra XD
your support absolutely hates your guts and wants you to die@@ForbidenXShadow
that's true, actually, support does hate tanks more@@ForbidenXShadow
I am just so sad about the new translocator... it's just a dash... I fell in love with Sombra's playstyle because of her flow but now I think it's no longer gonna be there...
It makes me think it's like an awkward Genji dash that deals no damage.
You mean the playstyle of plotting her translocator on a mega hp pack every time she is low and disengage from every fight she can’t win? 😂
@@XUIWIts weird how so many people assume thats all you did with it. The new translocator won’t allow me to use it for fake out situations. I can’t play fetch with Genji, Can’t bait out ults, Can’t do re-drops, or even cancel my own teleportation abilities. The fact that new translocator forces you to teleport means that it’ll be incredibly predictable as an escape tool and will likely get you killed anyway.
@@XUIWWell the new translocator will be incredibly predictable tbh. Especially against dive heroes, it’s kinda like a widow grapple now and that doesn’t work half the time if done in the middle of fights
@@XUIWyou have 0 idea on how to play sombra. 😂
Making translocator and invis automatic is pretty much like making ball's grappling hook fire automatically every 3.5s
10000000000000000000000%. The stealth most of all is just the shittiest fucking change ever. It means unless you're constantly shooting/reloading, you are physically incapable of ever interacting with objectives. Wtf????
@ReunionMana did you watch the vid? He explained that you wont auto invis while on objectives
Ball has sucked since they took away infinite grapple. They might as well make him the April fool's Day patch with no main weapon
The translocator nerf worries me. Sombra is one of the only independent DPS-- she doesn't need a support by her side in order to stay alive. Her translocator gives her a safe way out, which lets her attack the enemy team from unique angles. This change just groups her with the rest of her team and messes with her dynamic, pokey playstyle. There will be less of a reason to worry about where the Sombra is, because now, she'll likely be near her team. Having a Sombra in a match forces people to approach the game differently, but this rework will make those matches feel less unique :(
It's all moving towards the CoD, shootem up game style. Strategy? What's that? Just stick together and kill the supports! Fastest trigger wins! It's awful.
@@starlace6570 worst part? Only Sombra players are upset. Just like when they nerfed Hog and Orisa. Everyone is dancing on Sombra's corpse in the OW community, they won't care till THEIR hero is nerfed. And it will be too late.
But the OW player base always came from CoD. It's why this game frustrates me. I'll probably uninstall if I can't enjoy Sombra anymore.
@@Zathren its just very annoying because Sombra meant they had to "look around" and not just press w hold m1. they had to had some sort of game awareness and that's too hard for people who just wanna hold m1 and not think about teamplay in the team-based game. Its very sad. Honestly feel bad for the Hog rework cuz if this is their Sombra rework...how are they gonna massacre Hog....
And they refuse to ever admit they made a mistake so they'll just double down on this and she'll never really fit her actual design style. she's just...scuffed tracer at this point.
@@starlace6570 HAHAHHA I love how all you losers bring up the "OMG IT'S COD" argument anytime something happens you don't personally like. You're actually so pathetic.
I don't think you actually understand how good this is for her overall
I only play sombra casually for the past few years so my uneducated opinion is that these new changes are taking away a lot of sombra players' agency. sombra's identity has always been to use her abilities and skills to manipulate the flow of a fight (no matter how much or little) but now they're boxing us into certain timers with automatic cloak and auto-translocator. the translocator timer is going to be super easy to predict within a few weeks of people playing against her i feel like, so it won't even be a good escape tool since they'll be able to pre-fire or aim on where you'll end up. with her current build, you can obviously toss translocator and pop it early, cancel it to bait someone, or let it go the full duration. even little changes like this can make a character feel worse.
the idea of invis being automatic sounds so ridiculously clunky as well, especially with how it's said to interact with the objective. i like that she's finally getting her dmg numbers back up again since it's so hard to actually kill anyone at times, but these other changes feel so...weird. also rip opportunist, i'll miss you my queen 👑 i suppose i'll have to try her and see, but i'm kinda feeling meh about everything so far.
LMAAAOOOOOO I almost used the exact same phrasing as your first couple sentences and I have a golden gun for her.
Don't worry, you're right on the money.
Gold guns don't mean anything
@@OrphanHart u mean it doesn't consistently correlate to anything other than consistent play time. It means ur more likely to be at or above average since ur willing to invest in that hero
I was easily getting doubles and triples on my first play test of sombra after months away. Wouldn't be able to do that on Cass
5:50 the translocator throw rework is more similar to doomfists seismic slam if you wanted an idea of what it'd be like. cause like on doomfist depending on how high you're looking up you will go further/shorter distance
It's always been like that
The main reason I picked Sombra was to harass isolated DPS (and Supports) that were giving the team problems when our Tank was sleeping and letting them run wild. All these changes make it seem like it'll be much harder to do, which might ruin the character for me. I'm not as good with other flankers, and sometimes it feels like if I don't do anything no one else will...
Frankly, i feel like a very good change they can implent for translocator to not be as clunky as we think its gonna be is to add a 4 second timer on it so that sombra can tp whenever
Im so confused by stealth, i hope its not as annoying as it sounds. And the emp nerfs are... weird.
Yeah I guess we’ll have to deal with translocator not being able to exist indefinitely but it only being able to fly 0.25 seconds (even if it is faster) before it teleports you is a little much. 4 seconds wouldn’t even allow her to make it far enough from her translocator for it to be a problem so I don’t see why we can’t have it lol.
@joshuaphonharath8294 exactly. The playstyle of leaving tp behind with a hacked health pack would still be impossible. It would just add more player agency for the sombra to tp whenever, and sometimes behind walls too which you will never be able to do with the reworked tp. Seems to easy to chase too
They shoulda made her stealth a press and hold with a resource like DM (but different numbers on the resource). Give her a passive that makes her footsteps silent while uncloaked if she hasn't taken damage recently. So she has to use stealth to cross areas being watched and can duck behind walls (or even stand behind a clueless enemy) to recharge her stealth meter.
The most frustrating part about her is that you know she's next to you, pinging you to her team, or safely waiting to cancel ur ult, but you can't do anything about it because spychecking is too hard. If they made stealth like DM, you can watch the areas she would stand on to recharge.
Or they didn't need to rework at all, they coulda just gave her a fake larger hitbox while she's stealthed. Make it the size of zarya or smth, and if you hit the zarya hitbox you force her out of stealth and make her translocator "glitch out" so she can't tp for a second or two. But you only damage her if you hit the actual sombra hitbox. This way everybody has a better chance of spychecking if they know sombra is nearby and it's actually rewarding to reveal her.
they could have mapped it to interact with some of sort of meter yea, actually not a terrible idea. just have it not charge or have it charge at a lower rate when shes in combat.
I just feel like she may be a bit too bloated. To use her entire kit for synergy you’de need to get out of stealth, hack, virus, then finally use primary for full effect. i'm really hoping it feels better in game than on paper. Although I like that it forces her to be more comital on her engagements and actually gives her resource too. Definitely a buff to her offensive capabilities but possibly a nerf to her kit synergy.
Not to mention even after doing that full combo you break even on DPS for where you are now just by hacking and spraying. It's literally just a gigantic nerf and nothing else.
That's why I hated hack giving more damage to the target because it felt like you had to hack before starting to shoot them otherwise your gun felt like a wet noodle. Where in ow1 you only had to hack when needed.
@@nathancasey7712imagine if Ana did 35 per shot unless she landed a purple first, it would feel horrible. Now, imagine that your whole kit revolved around that notion.
That's how new Sombra feels compared to release to me, you described it perfectly, and it's so frustrating to think that they're actively leaning into that.
Echo feels like a classic car now, that's so ironic
@@nailinthefashion yep
Translocator will become really annoying and frustrating ability to use.
You can't time it now so,
You can't teleport out when you wanted to UNTIL translocator hit by something.
And imagine you translocate into the sky and it has nothing to touch it, you will need to wait for entire duration. (You're as good as dead then)
And imagine you throw it to highground and it accidentally hit some random, lamp, tree, pole, signs and etc.
She can't counter Diva, Ball, Doom now because she will die 100% of the time.
She will become Sombra 76 with worse poke damage but with a bit better survivability.
So, i guess her playstyle should be similar to S76 which is trying to stick with highgrounds and shoot from off angle side of enemy team.
She is not a backliner anymore.
Translocator automatically activates 0.25 seconds after throwing OR on hitting the environment. Whichever occurs first.
I'd wager she still heavily punishes dive tanks pretty well. You just hang out with your team and wait for them to fly in.
She's more like McSombridy than Sombra 76. Sit with the tank, CC enemy tank on cooldown, spam some damage in.
Idk 0.25 is really short
I would love for translocator to be manual but with a short timer like old times where you have a 5 second timer to do what you need to do before it pulls you but still lets you translocate into the air ->EMP
Yeah I feel like that's a nice middle ground
I'm pretty sure we're only going thru this iteration because no one from the old team in a position of power is left.
Yup that was the obvious and smart choice, which is why they didn’t do it lmao. All they had to do was put stealth and tp back on a timer, keep hack discord but nerf it slightly and then buff her base damage to compensate. These changes completely butcher sombras identity. First doom, ball, now sombra. I wonder what hero will be ruined due to 5v5 next! Fun times
the best thing would be to limit the range like kiri tp, the problem is sombra players that troll around abusing lack of awarenes and bad sombras that run from other map healtphacks back to the teamfight
The last time they tried reworking Sombra people were outraged, so they reverted her back. I’m particular to the old game, so this rework looks more like a huge nerf.
I hope the same thing will happen again.
She can still go invis and hack. Has more damage per bullet and virus just adds another 110-120 damage on top of that already.
She will still be able to flank and punish people who are in a bad position.
The 2 most annoying things about her were staying invis and hacking non stop and just to away every time she engages.
Swapping that for more damage and more secured kills is not a nerf imo
It’s meant to be. At least a nerf to this unhealthy playstyle.
she can still hack non-stop, a hacked target can't be hacked again anyway so by the time thier hack weres off you can just do it again right that second.@@adamsteiff98
I’m definitely leaning towards nerf. I agree her previous play style was probably unhealthy for the game. However how are you going to get any real value with this version of Sombra? Her frontline presence, even with the added damage will just never be as good as good as other characters like Soldier, Cassidy and even Ashe. She is now objectively the worst flank on paper. I thought they would buff hack to compensate for the loss of invis AND translocator
Imagine going through the trouble of hacking and then getting Virus out, doing 2 actions risking your life, then just poof Suzu, I love Overwatch by Blizzard ❤
yeah imagine counter play. its like, i have to wait for her to use it before i commit? gosh thats infuriating.
There was counter play to Sombra to begin with. To complain about "counter play" while clearly being condescending, mostly likely because you don't like playing against her because you can't "counter play" her
@@robertwhisenhunt8740 yes but before she didn’t have to commit now as sombra you’ll have to commit only for them to Suzy
@@robertwhisenhunt8740 I think we can burns supports in a second with hack,virus and the machine pistol buff. 100 hp in 2 seconds cause of virus and machine pistol buffs will be support nightmare. And if we can simply use two abilities in succession and bait cooldowns then even better. I feel like this rework is good
@@EnvyDanyz if u made their kiriko use cleanse for the virus their tank is going to be so SO vulnerable to anti or other cd that you have no idea how valuable that is.
Lol Sombra always has the lowest winrate overall at like 44% I cant wait to see it drop even lower after these changes.
Here’s to hoping they’ll go back after next season 🤷♂️
The movement speed nerf is gonna be cataclysmic.
I'll be trying out Sombra when the rework drops, but whether or not I'll continue to play her is another story.
I rarely play DPS in the first place, and when I do, it's barely Sombra anymore. All of these changes drag her further and further away from the hero I originally picked up all those years ago.
Hopefully this is the last rework for Sombra. I'm really tired of change after change for the sake appeasing other people who will never be happy. I'm not happy, but at least something good can come from this.
CAN something good come out of this?? 😭
Same.
It's funny how before the rework, they say: It's the easy escape that annoys us the most!!
After revealing the rework: Flats was like: IT'S HACKING YOU. Like LEAVE US ALONE?
Stop crying over disabling your abilities for 1.5 secs
This better not be the last change or she's dumpstered. This entire thing is literally just nerf after nerf after nerf compensated by the most meaningless QoL that does nothing for the fact she lost tons of what little value she had left.
@@MuffinPirateX its not a nerf. They just made her more unbearable to tanks and deleted a lot of her skill expression (yes translocater is easy to use but its hard to make it useful, iykyk).
I was a Sym main for years; then they gutted her over and over with reworks and nerfs. I barely play her anymore in OW2.
Sombra became my new main and Im watching it happen all over again. The Sombra we’ve had for 7 years is gone. Even if the rework is powerful, they will nerf her into the ground by the end of the month. Its over
You and me the same sym first then sombra I feel ur pain 😢
do you hate how Sym is now?
@@magicaiitem1845i dont hate her in OW2, but every single ability she started out with is either gone or hard nerfed. Its not the same character.
The 2nd rework they gave her is what killed her for me. She was overpowered at first but then they nerfed her to no return. After that my winrate went from 70% to like 35% for the rest of OW1. She got better in 2 but they still keep nerfing her (like how they ruined the turrets even more so recently) Again its not the same character that I played and practiced for years
It's not powerful. It's literally JUST nerfs and some insignificant QoL that won't make up for it at all.
The translocator change would not be that annoying IF they had just let you trigger the teleport yourself. So just let it go until it hits the ground or you hit the translocate button a second time. It would be far more flexible and you could get to some of the high ground that you can't currently reach.
You can tell Fitzy doesn't like all of these changes.
Really sounded like he didnt want to give his honest opinion and was holding back for some reason.
Just sharing the info. I'm honestly pretty neutral until I get a chance to play them on ladder. She has been changed so many times, and I learn how to play her so I'm not really worried about a new set of changes. I'm sad translocator will be a lot weaker, but also being able to kill Hanzo using virus sounds nice.
@@Fitzyhere Going about it in a neutral way is probably the healthier way to go about it. The past changes didn't bother me upon reading them but these changes have me a bit worried. But I suppose we'll see.
@@Fitzyhere DUCK HANZO
The worst part is the removal of opportunist. I didn't know that. I'm pretty okay with the other changes. I knew it was going to address the way the translocator worked. Too many people who place it in spawn and spend so much time out of battle. But opportunist was a big deal. It what's gave me the most use out of her. It's unfortunate lol I hope I still like playing with her
I really liked being able to ping low HP targets through walls.
I loved playing Sombra since i didn't really need to rely on my team but now it just depends
That's the whole reason I play her as well, removing incompetent healers from the equation was such a good thing to have.
Removing Opportunist in full is dumb. I get removing the damage boost, but removing the ability to see people who are half health is silly. This murders her in FFA because the only real way to play Sombra was to run around and steal kills or finish off the leftovers.
Playing sombra in FFA is cringe af
@@INGTHING1 Sounds like someone who plays Moira or Hog in FFA.
@@Fools_Requiemsounds like the same people that would play Sombra in FFA
@@Fools_Requiemsombra is even more cringe than hog since she hacks hp which is the only way to heal in ffa. Literally just ruins it for everyone else
@c818 Sombra is practically useless in a fight without hacking stuff. Maybe get gud and watch someone who isn't a Sombra streamer if you're that allergic to So.bra.
This is… not it. Stealth will feel clunky, double translocating is gone, opportunist being gone seems pointless, they could’ve just removed the damage boost but still see ult status and hp… idk… we’ll see
I hate losing control. They are making things automatic.
Millions of Zen player cried out in relief and only the few top 500 Zens fear the playstyle Fitzys coming up with.
Nah man new Sombra will delete Zen in second if he has no one heal him.
Just hack + Virus and shoot him for 80 dmg and he dies.
If sombra could get some type of ability to isolate a character then this could be allow her abilities to be used easier since DOT isn’t good in ow since it can easily be healed.
Fitzy’s positivity is decreasing throughout the duration of the video
Fitzy makes a good point about contesting with the stealth passive. Maybe they could add a hotkey toggle to turn the passive on/off so you can stay out of stealth. (Edit: If hacking unstealths you maybe one can just hold hack so nvm).
so turn the passive into an active is what youre saying?
I was waiting to hear what you thought of the rework. Personally, I'm not a fan of them further homogenizing all the heroes like this but I'll still play her because sombra is my boo bear. New translocator just seems like a worse genji dash now. Can we still see enemy ult status on hacked enemies or is that gone too with opportunist?
…you can see enemy ult status on hacked enemies? How and where? Literally never knew that lol
@@Djitterbug Yup! There's a little white checkmark icon that appears above the enemy's head if you hack/emp them and they have ultimate.
@@Djitterbugyes you can it’s been bugged for a while but you can
Q&A with Developers will be posted tomorrow
the biggest nerf is the stealth... good thing i kinda quit already before the sombra rework lol
@zjpdarkblaze The stealth?? The translocator is just a delayed dash now. Good thing I also stopped playing this game
@@Omri3533 the stealth cooldown is insane and dumb, both the translocator stealth and the passive stealth.
Biggest dissapointment about this rework is that they didn't really change anything, just the way how she plays is change but her core issues are the same, hack in general is the biggest issue about her kit, i get that invis can be a problem but invis can be balance around by only limiting the time (going in and out is what only matters when stealth being perma stealth isn't a neccesity if you have a plan), trans+emp is what is her core identity imo, she shuts down anything with a blast that feels fair and should be encourage more ways to be utilized, hack in general is too gimmicky and un-impactful, its utility aspect of things is what slows her down, it isnt fun being silenced and worst yet there is no counterplay to it, i would rather they change hack and give her more agency on her playstyle. The core identity doesn't hold a candle since orisa and torb and sym has had core mechanics change that they don't resemble.
"Always plan an entrance in .25 seconds"
wtf.
Hate this change. Translocator is just an ender pearl now, and before it was a backdoor. The Volskaya cinematic makes no sense now.
They should give to charges for translocator if she ends up being weak
lets remember that its a rework which means it should be played with a new playstyle, judging it according to the old playstyle is just not fair. like judging a fish according to its ability to fly
I can hear the painful in his voice about these changes 😢
After translocation, is there a cloaking animation that is forced on you when you go into invis? I am worried about using translocator to adjust position quickly to finish a kill but getting forced into the cloaking then decloaking animation. I can already see something like that becoming infuriating.
Oh god, I hadn’t considered that. That would be really clunky to play with. Hopefully there’s a bit of a grace period at the start of stealth, that allows a faster decloaking to account for that? I’m not convinced tho
TL reduces stealth CD, it doesn't remove it.
You can most likely insta cancel the cloaking
Translocate reduces cooldown by 2 seconds. If you have 2 seconds left you will instantly go into stealth, but have .5 second window to shoot normally without having to do the "coming out of stealth" animation.
@@Fitzyhere Oh no. That seems like it could be clunky. I hope they just get rid of the animation.
I feel like the slower stealth speed was unnecessary they should of kept the 60%
A part of me can't tell if Fitzy is in pain with the changes and is trying REALLY hard to stay positive lol either way great recap
idk about the non toggle invis I am so used to toggling it myself xd, my muscle memory will get the better of me I bet
I'm so happy that they asked your feedback for the changes and took them into account
At least Zen players may have an easier time getting out of spawn. Ball (most tanks honestly) still gets screwed, but at least she has to leave stealth now.
I really wish they would have brought back the timed stealth vs the perma stealth. That ability change never sat well with me, and I feel a lot of abilities could’ve stayed untouched if they just removed this part of her kit.
this feels like they've taken out all the fun of being sombra being in the backline 😭 I hope this isnt as awful as it sounds to me
Fun for whom? They need to think of all players.
@terramater4679 yet this isn't fun for sombra mains so like you said fun for whom? They ignored the core playbase in order to appeal to everyone else and if this was any other hero you wouldn't talking like that now would you 🤷
@@terramater4679peak ow mentality. Change heroes not for the people who play them, but for the community who whines about them.
@@Swaahqo and u are not whinung??? peak ow mentality is actually to complain about everything. Even when it is not even released. Pathetic.
Thank you for walking through it!
Edit: I often wonder if these reworks happen (aside from the obvious) to make some room for new heroes too...
Ill miss her. Being able to translocate out and get your own health packs is amazing. Dont need to rely on supports at all and can do your own thing which I enjoy.
I been waiting for fitzys reaction to this lol
im gonna cry i already miss the old sombra
The thing about Virus is it could be so much more interesting than what it currently is.
I think what would fix it is to give it a spreading mechanic. To elaborate, the infected target takes damage over time, and if it dies while the virus is still active, it spreads to nearby enemy targets within a certain radius, and it continues to spread if applicable. To compensate for how much more effective it would be, the damage over time could be lowered to 50.
This would change the ability to behave like an actual virus, rather than it being a variation of Ashe's Dynamite or Symmetra's right-click.
I talked with a friend where it would be a mini emp that couldve hacked targets if it had splash range, without the damage like OW1 while applying the DOT, and then the stronger DOT to hacked victims. As is, it's just a shittier dynamite you'd have to hack to match ashe's lol.
With the auto stealth what happens if you try and take or stall an objective by yourself?
I wish that when you through the translocator that it gives you at least like 5 seconds before deciding to transport. If you choose not to transport it’ll be destroyed and the cooldown starts again
The passive stealth will feel to cluncky. Especially if it you are barley not shooting for 3.5 seconds before you want to shot again, as you then will get invis for 0.25 seconds, then lose invis in another 0.25 making you sit there for half a second waiting before you can shoot
Didn’t want to listen to ANYONE talk about this rework but Fitzy! 💯
Or Questron
If you've ever played Genshin Impact I think that the new translocator could have been reworked to match Keqing's Skill.
You place down a mark that you can placed 360 degrees in all directions around yourself (which cannot be destroyed) at a certain distance for a maximum of around 5-7 seconds and you can trigger to move back to this marked point in a linear trajectory, this could have a cooldown (from cast) of approximately 8 seconds. This is similar to her old translocator only on a much smaller cooldown and a much shorter window to teleport out. You would still have the new stealth passive trigger once you teleport to the marker.
This would allow you to have control over your time of movement with more precision to get yourself out of situations like avoiding a shatter by placing it in the air before a large team fight starts, and can setup double blinks to get large travel distances when necessary but only when pre-planned.
Will there be any gameplay from the testing games that have been going on before season 7? Id love to see some
I've been waiting for your thoughts on the changes!!
so she’s sombra 76 now, got it lol
Not sure how I feel about Translocator. I am going to miss throwing it and tricking the enemies into thinking I am going to tp when in fact I am just standing my ground. Now if I throw it, it's automatic tp. Feel like they could have just added a timer on trans where it would disappear if not used in 6 seconds (or whatever time feels right). I liked her assassin-like playstyle.
That mobility nerf will hurt too much
I know I'm not the only one to reserve judgement before Fitzy is here.
Thanks for fixing the visual clutter blizzard now I won't tell if I have a virus or I'm hacked. Excellent, it's what I always wanted.
I was waiting for this video! Well said, thank you for breaking it down. Also interested how these changes will impact your spawn kill tierlist 🤔
I am just imagining a sombra ash comp that is just focused on damage over time
Have the Ana in there too, just so Kiriko and Zarya have to keep cycling cleansing
I never understood the vertical offset on translocator anyways. It seemed really unintuitive to throw a projectile that already moves slow and then also not teleport the full distance it travels while its airborne
Can you back cap with the new passive on? Are they going to force you to remove your own stealth? What if you're in the middle of back capping and your stealth auto turns on?
he did address this briefly during the video - if you are out of stealth and back capping, the timer for stealth will count down to zero BUT won't turn you invisible until you move away from the cart. if I'm understanding what fitzy said correctly, your proximity to the cart will take priority over the passive and you will be stay visible. if you move away from the cart/point and are no longer in range or on it, you will go back into stealth.
Please use your persuasion powers to save Sombras TP. At least give it a timer or something.
Also watching the video, what’s the point of hack now? It seems like Virus and Hack should’ve been combined into one.
100% agree, at least let us manually activate it, especially when throwing it in the air to try get a crucial hack on an ulting sigma or something similar. :(
i think its fair enough, she could just like, oh no im dying, anyways
I agree that they should just have made it ow1 launch Sombra translocator. Only 15 seconds. The point of hack is to still be an interruption while virus is damage. Having hack be completely on virus could be problematic because deflect, matrix, etc will probably counter it and then you have no hack. Also making hack a skill shot would make it very hard to get hacks off in certain situations.
when i see a sombra teamate just put their translocator in spawn (tells me they are just not going to be good) and fighting against a sombra whit her get out of jail for free cooldown was never fun, she will have more kill potential whit virus (no need to hack them first if they are alone) but cant just play from anywhere she wants whit out being in risk, and also funny enough its also a buff for when everythings going wrong and u have to play sombra 76 again thanks to the virus.
@@GoldenDeer_But what’s the point of hacking someone now? They can’t use their abilities for the 1.5 seconds, so what? Maybe you’ll cancel an ult here and there but I still don’t see the point of hack now. If they just made this virus thing a hack skill shot, I think less people would’ve been upset since it can be countered better and requires skill to use. But virus sounds very boring as is.
"Let's remove all the player expression and make her use a large, glowing, slowly moving projectile so everybody knows where she is"
- Stealth hero balance team
I’ll give her a genuine try but I’ll probably be a Tracer main until she gets buffs/Qol changes because she seems really clunky now, I had low expectations but this seems really bad
I was waiting for this, I need to see what the Master think about Sombra Rework.
Seems like she's got more versatility in engagements now. If I was playing her, i'd:
- Use Virus on an opponent vs hacking them in a surprise 1v1 since i'm doing 100 dmg instantly (relatively speaking)
- Save hacks for health packs and ability interrupts (third partying a 1v1).
- ONLY Hack/Virus Combo high mobility tanks.
Being the stealth is a passive we should be able to emote while invisible
Translocator must feel like a winston jump now, with 1sec less cooldown, right?
One question, can we still see enemies ults while they are hacked? Bc I don't see them when they have ult
It feels like we'll have less impact with good team coordination, but better solo carry potential. We'll see though.
Completly opposite now you entirely dependent on your team and without them you are useless and thanks to the awesome mm im sure its gonna be fun
Her pre-rework was literally the solo carry potential??? What are you on about, this is entirely team coordination based now.
Her new combat styyle where you press H and jus select Tracer is super interactive
You're just going to have less impact overall. The damage "gained" from Virus when used on a hacked target only lets you break even with the damage lost from the removal of the hack passive damage boost, and Virus is going to be less reliable since it will have its own cooldown, cast time, travel time, etc. You're going to be doing less damage in every scenario.
I'm super excited but also very worried. I have no problem with the translocator nerf. But the stealth and EMP nerf (the damage percentage nerf, not the ult charge) might make her useless. I really think she's either going to be op or the worst hero in the game. I highly doubt she's going to be balanced on release. And if shes op, im worried they're going to nerf her into the ground like the have a habit of doing.
The way I see it with your EMP, the best time to use it is when your team can capitalise on it too, and for most heroes it only means you'll do 20 less damage (200hp heroes), which you'll be able to make up for plus more by throwing a virus onto someone... you could throw virus at one person, and spray down another person, then come back to the first person and finish them off if you really wanted lol, or just throw virus onto the tank to burn them down even faster. Before watching this video I thought it sounded like a huge nerf to her ult too, and well yeah it kind of is... but with virus thrown in there it honestly doesn't seem too bad to me... but i guess we'll have to wait and see, less than a week away!
She's going to be terrible. There's zero chance she'll be OP because she literally doesn't gain ANY damage output out of this outside of maybe hitting a few more shots early on from the accuracy buff, but the loss of the hack damage boost means you get the same DPS from using virus on a hacked target as you do right now from JUST hacking and shooting. And you're going to have downtime while Virus is on cooldown and such so you're actively LOSING damage output. This is literally nothing but huge nerfs compensated by insignificant QoL.
It would be nice to be able to Destroy the translocator before the .25 seconds to try and bait out abilities.
All of it is fine but being unable to reactivate the translocator sucks because it would be hard to get on high ground, plus being forced to teleport makes it impossible to fake out
Not too long ago I wondered if Blizzard would rework Sombra and I laughed it off thinking they wouldn't change such an iconic design. It feels like they're pushing to just make flavors of the same heros.
So, the only reason i played her was the teleport. It was so versatile and fun, so unique. What other heroes have a buildable that people purposefully leave and watch, waiting to try and get a lucky pick? The mind games you can do by throwing it mid fight to make them look away while you cloak, the fun of finding the perfect places to hide it, the convenience of being able to go very far-- washed away in a few days.
Rest in pieces conejita 💜
I just want to emote while in Invis. Also in the main picture Sombra looks like a lady named peggy who works at a diner.
So the hack duration isn't coming down and we're not going to be able to rehack targets again and just 80% of the time it's doing absolutely nothing but restricting you from getting value because you don't even get the extra damage anymore? Like do they actually think about any of her kit before they make changes or do they just throw stuff at a dart board?
They should have made her kit similar to when she first dropped in OW, that playstyle would have been just fine imo as long as they made the proper adjustments, these current changes delves so far from her original playstyle and I don’t think it will benefit her overall as a hero and the long time players will probably hate it
Do you think the optimal way to use virus + hack will be shooting virus from invis and they don't know you're there and then doing hack while virus has its travel time? Then they'd both arrive near the same timing and you could finish up with gun.
In my opinion, translocator should still be in control of the player, the way I would fix this is by making it activate when we decide to tp, but if it lands on the floor it just auto tps for you, so we can ultimately avoid the camping translocator spots issue. I just dislike the way the translocator isn’t activated by the player themselves.
what's the cooldown on virus? surely we cant just continually chuck those out as fast as the throw animation allows...
They could have just made it so translocator breaks if you move too far from it... They're doing way too much
Oof the translocator nerf is rough. You’ll need to look away from your target in order to throw it first and then hopefully have enough time for you to teleport automatically. I really thought they would have a timer on it like OW1 but it looks like they want her to be more like the rest of the roster.
I also don’t see a point in hacking health packs very often especially if it cancels invis for 4s. EMP + virus will probably be pretty strong though. Not really sure what her role will be or why you’d pick her over other DPS. I imagine she’ll most of the time just sit with her team so she’s safe and hack/virus the frontline tank.
Do we have numbers on how much translocating reduces the stealth cooldown? Its like one of the most important numbers to know...
Man... this really sucks i can no longer set my translocator and bunjee tech and i can no longer get a quick enough kill on a zen to get out looks like i gotta readjust sensitivity just so i can get out faster
Its a little weird that capping a point is going to mess around with your passive though. I do feel like backcapping in perma stealth would be a bit wild but at the same time it better not put stealth on cooldown. That'd be rather unfair to the sombra. Actually objectives should probably just reveal a sombra but not mess with the stealth itself, so you could run around and cap in stealth but as long as you are in capping range you'd be visible. Like a permanent sonar arrow on the objective
Also, with all these changes she could probably be a bit more silent at least with the TL
Imagine you were about to backcap, and it stops because you automatically went into stealth. The fact that blizz considered this and built in no-stealth while capping was honestly pretty neat
@@Damocles450 That isnt what worries me. Its the fact that you get pulled out completely and unvoluntarily.
Its a passive, you get 0 control over stealth. The game shouldnt mess around with your passive just because some feature wasnt built for it. Instead we should be finding solutions that work both ways. And I think something like a sonar/infrasight effect on the point would work great
What if you wanna go from A to B in stealth but the objective is along the way? The game just knocks you out of stealth and puts it on cooldown? That would be awful.
@@Damocles450 emote, melee the floor at that point shoot the floor if you really were about to cap whats whit sombra players and not thinking about their plans for a second? fitzy whole channel is about premerited actions reading the fight and doing big plays.
@@EvolixeFitzy addressed your concern in the video briefly - sort of. his scenario was "you're out of stealth and currently back capping - what happens?" but it also addresses your concern. if the timer for stealth continues to count down to zero BUT doesn't trigger stealth when you're on point, then it follows logically that the game simply prioritizes your proximity to cart over going back into stealth. it doesn't override the passive, so if you are in stealth already, going to the objective isn't going to throw you out of stealth.
but if you are on the objective *and* not in stealth, the game isn't going to put you into stealth until you get off the objective. that is my understanding of what fitzy explained and how it would apply to your concern.
I'm betting money that they are stealth removing hack's ability to see ult charge
The grimacing face says it all.😂
As long as i know players like Fitzyhere and Questron play tested this new Sombra kit and gave feed back for it I am willing to try it out but i will confess i will miss the old kit seeing that i did a hybrid play style between them and was she is one of my main DPS heroes so we shall see great video.
Not sure how they think the TL change contributes to a more active of a playstyle. The made it a janky (telegraphed and delayed) blink/dash, and removed all utility outside of how those, including much of how you'd want to dynamically deploy it. So many better options if they wanted to kill off TL on health-pack play style.