Taking into Dottore's backstory, which was mentioned in the Pale Flame Artifacts, plus the secret notes/world quests/books which hinted his initial identity as Zandik, its understandable regarding the feelings of jealousy.
@@vanessachowjiaying4423 I doubt Dottore feels jealous of "having friends" and he only cares about fitting in to the extend of making persuing his own interest more convenient. (At least based on what we know so far, future info can ofc change.) The difference between him and Scara is that Scara was BORN (/created) differently, then got abandoned by his mother for something he had no control over, then tried his best to fit in because he genuinely wanted friends/family, people to connect with. Meanwhile Dottore's family/living situation must have been good enough that he could enroll into the Akademiya (for example it's almost impossible if you're born poor or in the desert nowadays, and a few hundred years ago they were probably even more discriminatory). He was described as handsome, smart and a great conversationalist, and was able to quickly befriend people even if they had a negative first impression of him. He didn't have any problem fitting in besides his very morally questionable opinions (something you aren't born with and have control over). He was reprimanded multiple times and didn't change his behavior and only cared about whether he got expelled or not because studying and experimenting and all that stuff is easier to do at the Akademiya with funding than on your own. Evidently he didn't care about whether others liked him unless it benefitted his goals. We don't know why exactly he was expelled but at the VERY LEAST he literally murdered an other student. Sooo... I think it's fair to say he ocastrated himself. In short: Scara thought his friends betrayed him, Dottore strangled his "friends". I'd argue one is a monster in sheeps clothing or in this case fox fur, the other is just born different. (Not talking about everything he did after joining the Fatui since the fairly tale is about his past only up to that point).
@@Mercyfalls I think, at the very least, Dottore cared about fitting in more than just the practical utility being accepted gave him. There was too much venom and bitterness when he said he didn't want to be rejected by the Akademiya yet again. I don't think he'll be a tragic figure like Scaramouche, but he might be a pitiable one. From how the story framed it, I see it as less Dotore being jealous of Scaramouche obtaining friends, and more bitterness about the fact that he has to put up so many facades and lies to hide his ugliness and inhuman perspective, yet Scaramouche, being completely inhuman and completely open about it, is still accepted without a single hesitation.
@Subhadra Mahanta Actually, Dottore told him the heart came from a servant Niwa murdered before he fled. It wasn't until the Archon quest did Scaramouche learned of Dottore's deception.
So children stories are literally a way to hide forbidden/deleted knowledges in teyvat. Basically confirmed the importance of that book in lisa's quest.
Problem is that it's buried under layers of Fiction based on real events. Heck, this tale Nahida made only refers to the Fatui and such because we know the actual events it was based on. If this was in a vacuum, what else is it supposed to represent?
@@arnowisp6244 well but people will only remember it as "fiction" n as long as no mention of specific name it won't be erased, nahida is incarnation of irminsul itself, as what we see on rukkhadevata's case, only she or higher rank being can bypass herself at this moment.
I KNEW there was something up with why the Abyss Order was so desperate in stealing the Pale Princess and the Six Pygmies book in Lisa's story quest. It bothered me a lot for 2 YEARS omgggg I was right to be suspiscious. IT MUST BE AN ALLEGORY FOR SOMETHING
The lore in this is fantastic, but I’m amused at the fact they chose a kitten to represent Scaramouche. I mean, it fits his character perfectly, just funny lol
I did not expect Dottore to feel any type of guilt or sadness about what he did. I wonder if it’s a creative interpretation or whether Nahida saw that Dottore felt that way when she read his mind.
I think Nahida saw it or knew a lot about Dottore before that. You can read what I'm about to mention in the Fatui Artifacts Set when you not want to read or know anything about it, it may be a spoiler!!! There it is mentioned that since he was a child, Dottore has been called a monster and a madman and was banished from his hometown with clubs and pitchforks. He then goes to the academy, but he wasn't treated any differently there either and after all Pierro found him. I would also like to mention that people may called him a monster because he had a dream from a young age to give normal people the power of a god. Why or if he had this dream as a child is still unclear I think. Anyway after this Fairy Tale I think Dottore believed at some point that he is a monster and he must act like one but that he still has feelings of guilt etc like a human being? I also think Dottore was kind of jealous of Scaramouche too because he's a puppet and they still treated him like a human, but he's basically always been on the run and he never had anyone in his entire life? Also something else why I believe that Nahida knew more about Dottore before she read his mind is, because she asked him if he could managed to make peace with himself and i found it weird that Dottore didn't answer this question and just changed the subject. Sorry, I just love how well written Dottore's character is. He seems to have a really complex story, which is what really draws me in... :(
@@CottonCandy00 I don't think he believes he: "has to act like one"? Or at least... I hope not. I'm kind if tired of the whole "if people see me as a monster, I might as well be one" trope at this point. And I just want Dottore's story to genuinely tell an interesting, unique story about how monsters like him are made, instead of the same thing I've seen already.
@@CottonCandy00 My concern is how the start of the fairytale can be read: For one part, I can understand it as Dottore managing to get into Tatarasuna and join its community, he pitied them because they couldn't understand that his despise, under a magnifying glass, was absolutely dooming them from the start. OR if we are getting a bit of Dottore's background after being chased out of Sumeru- because they seem a bit unique: a father fox welcoming Dottore, a mother fox seemingly glad to see him, and a wide-eyed young fox staring at him. We don't know much about Tatarasuna, but Dottore as Escher (if I'm remembering correctly) never mentioned a family, just that the engineers of Inazuma welcomed him when he mentioned he came from Fountain to help him. So...why a family of foxes? I could understand his pity if it was a condescending one, but in the story Dottomon looks legitly upset that the family can't see him for what he is/can't understand him. I can't understand it for the Tatarasuna plot BUT I can understand it as Nahida explaining Dottore's sudden decision to actively antagonize Scaramouche: here is Dottore, who was a normal human yet albeit one smarter than the rest, who knew nothing but hostility and persecution all of his life for wanting to make Gods, seeing a puppet from none other the Raiden Shogun being completely accepted in their community despise his highly inhuman nature just because he can pretend better than him. Remember, when he speaks to Niwa, he's relishing in the suffering it's going to cause Scaramouche and how no one will be able to stop him once Niwa's gone and mocks him for daring to call Scaramouche a human and even compares himself to a demon. Like, Dottore made everything about Scaramouche suddenly a very personal matter when his mission was just to make an opening for the Fatui in Inazuma because he could have swayed him via manipulation- but instead, he made him suffer for more years until Pierro decided to let him join the Fatui. And even then, both Dottore and Signora are very keen on calling Scaramouche a puppet in a very demeaning manner, not just because that's what he is, as if he's lower than them.
@@katzcat8181 For Lady Ashes it felt different. Hers felt more like a warning about Dottore albeit said meanly and the abuse he just takes. Similar to Scaramouche warning to her about her arrogance being her downfall in the same scene. I felt like they were warning each other in their own way.
My theory Summary : Dottore was originally trying to cause trouble to Inazuma which Jester had requested. He decided to fake being a friend to infuriate Tatarasura, but the people treated him like their own and dottore felt he was a monster after being treated so well. He saw himself as a monster that no one could accept. And pity to them that they could not see his true self and only saw his fake. Though he felt comfort that they were able to accept scaramouche despite being non human. Envy built up inside him and he felt furious that they were able to accept him so easily, while he had to hide his true self. This motivated him and broke the hesitation to corrupt Tatarasura and complete Jester’s request. I don’t know but perhaps Dottore saw Scaramouche as a test subject or maybe he was just bitter so he conducted the furnace experiment on him, when he survived Dottore saw Scaramouche as a good pawn.
That's a nice theory and I would like your version! (And who knows, with there being so many different segments who could have different personalities then theoretically nothing is "out of character" for Dottore until we know more) But I'm afraid that based on what we know so far, Dottore didn't care about people being nice to him or treating him as "one of their own" and that wouldn't have emotionally touched him at all. People liked him at the Akademiya yet he was literally murdering girls who wanted to be his friend/date long before he ever joined the Fatui. Sure, it irked him that people at the Akademiya saw him as a madman and didn't agree with his views... but I'd say he only has himself to blame. I mean..... if one's true self means "doesn't care about morals, ethics, feelings, health or lives of others" it's unsurprising that others won't accept them. He can't murder people if he feels like it and experiment on children and then expect others to not mind.
@@Mercyfalls he still care about people being nice to him remember at the archon quest he said he was disappointed that no one cared about his academic experiments
@@Mercyfalls Another interesting fact, this should be the original dottore. Go check out wanderer’s story, it explains that dottore used scaramouche’s blueprint to able to establish making his own segments after scaramouche joined the fatui. at this point scaramouche have yet to join the fatui, this this should be the original dottore.
since all Dottore's clones have something different in some aspect, its not wrong to assume that at least one would achieve empathy eventually. who knows maybe we get to meet a Rogue Dottore Clone who gets to be playable.
Well that makes the Pale Princess and The Six Pygmies even more interesting. Anyways, I never thought I'd see Scaramouche as a kitten in literally the game in my life. I want Scarakitten as a plushie now.
I just noticed; this tells of one important detail among many! Scarakitten buried the bird; he didn't burn him down! It really was a funeral pyre! Take that, haters!
I think he burned the child, but he wanted to know if the child had a heart, because he saw the child just like him. A boy without a name. So when the boy told the story, he thought that’s how you can find the heart but when he realized the boy just disappeared into ashes, he saw that as betrayal and so for him, it was like being told he doesn’t have a heart. Maybe after, he buried the ashes of the child.
Idk maybe this is just me, but has anybody else noticed that the way nahida portrayed the monster/dottore was kind of sad too, like going off on the facial expressions of the little characters and such. I mean probably it's mostly just to give the story a fairy tale feel, the "actually lonely monster who tried to make friends" character (bc we know that that wasn't what canon dottore was trying to do, he wasn't trying to make friends), but part of me wonders if maybe, bc nahida made contact with dottore, she saw a deep and hidden part of him that we don't know about (a tragic backstory? hidden agendas?) and that's partially why she portrayed him in such a way?
Taking into account the world quests/secret notes/artifacts lores, its implied that Dottore was originally Zandik, like how the Harbringers have true names before taking on Harbringer codenames. Based on Zandik's backstory, there's a hint that Dottore had felt inner rage/anger of being an outcast, thus the jealousy.
Maybe she was able to see his younger self's memories and therefore found a small part of him that could be pitied? Dottore mentioned he pulls segments of himself from different time periods, so maybe she saw the one segment he's never brought to life; the one still full of hope and happiness before becoming lonely and monstrous.
since all Dottore's clones have something different in some aspect, its not wrong to assume that at least one would develope empathy or some kind of regret through his actions. who knows maybe we get to meet a Rogue Dottore Clone who gets to be playable.
@@nunocampea2395 it might be the youngest if that's ever gonna happen, just bc hyv somehow made him the last to speak and was the only one that spoke very clearly compared to the other clones who kind of just talked over each other
@@niffleraku wasnt the last to speak one with a very evil madman tone? but yeah it also sounds kind of young. but yeah i feel like that one is gonna be inportant
"And no one can know that they were different." I wonder if Nahida got that impression from Scaramouche himself, or if she applied it to him. Because, if it was the case that she saw it in him... then that means all Scaramouche really wanted as an Archon was to destroy the boundaries between all people, so there were no more outcasts and misfits. So everyone would belong.
To get this first out of the way: I think it’s important to note that Nahida chose all of the lines in her deliberate allegory (which the traveler agreed reflected the events that occurred well and accurately) with the intent of reminding herself of the truth and that Nahida has been inside of Dottore’s head and had a glimpse of his inner thoughts. The way the original Chinese depicts this tale is interesting because it taps more into a certain line that a lot of people seem to be not paying attention to. The tale of the little monster and the kitten is a bit different in the original Chinese text as it's implied Dottore used Niwa’s heart to protect Scaramouche from the furnace (not to necessarily torment him that way) and to ensure he'll make it out alive without any damage being done to him. The tale mentions that the kitten (Scaramouche) and little monster (Dottore) befriended each other/the little monster felt companionship/understanding. And he wanted the kitten to understand his view. The only remainder of this narrative that seems consistent in the English localization seems to be the line where Dottore is depicted as a “lone monster” and the tale references that he felt solace when the kitten joined them (with the mention of them both desiring to be foxes, which is an allegory for wanting to fit in with the humans). To add to this, the original Chinese of Scaramouche’s story text in his profile reads "(the Doctor) warmly welcomed the puppet and delicately cared for him in the years to come." From this we might speculate that rather than only being jealous of Scaramouche for being accepted, he had finally found another outcast who could maybe understand him. And he wanted it to remain that way without anyone's interference at the time. Which touches up on Dottore's possible loneliness and his need for companionship, to be understood and have an equal who could match his views of the world that had long since been rejected.
I think the monster is Dottore since whatever he was wearing was light blue like his hair and his “face” was in the shape of the plague doctor’s mask that he wears in his shoulder…the kitten is obviously scara since he has red eyeliner and the feather around his neck
@@peepostaringintoyoursoul3699 The Dendro Archon had to stay with Irminsul, so perhaps the Khaenre'ah Cataclysm was the "Abyss Twin and the Six Archons".
I think its not about the gender , cause its a fairy tail. Yes it is , only 6 archons that appear in Khaenriah. The Dendro one have more important task
So if what ei wanted which is to let scara decide his own fate he turns into the gentle wanderer we met? He's gentle but still empty inside, it seems that fate is cruel to scara either way
yeah it's tragic no matter where you look, ei thought he deserved freedom but unintentionally making him feel abandoned in the process, and just when he thought he found people he could be with that genuinely loved him, the entire community is destroyed by a cruel experiment. Tries to find love and companionship again, found it in a child, but said child also ends up dying from the same thing that destroyed his previous community. Doesn't really excuse all the destruction he caused later on and he should take accountability and make up for it (from the quest it sounds like he's gonna try and do that), but it does make you feel sorry for him, makes you wonder about all the "what ifs" that could've happened for none of this to happen to him
I just realized something. Abyss mages also wear bird masks like Dottore does. Could just be cosmetic coincidence, but it wouldn't surprise me if Dottore and the Jester have ties to the Abyss Order.
I actually want to take who ever made this as i finally understand wanderer’s past story (I didn’t quite understand the actual one and this actually helped a lot-) 😂
From the notes scattered around Sumeru, We can tell that Zandik (Dottore's real name, Which means "Heretic" in Arabic btw) might've been a narcissist. Envy is a huge trait of narcissistic people. So, Who knows. Maybe he did feel envious towards Wanderer. After all, He seems to have been an outcast. Everyone did not agree with what he was doing and no one understood him nor supported his passion.
One does need to be narcissistic to feel capable of envy, though it’s very possible that Dottore developed his present sense of pride as a response to how he was ostracized and shunned from the community.
scarameow being made from a white tree is sus SUS, there’s only one white tree connecting genshin lore and it’s irminsul - he’s mentioned to be a transcendent divine being, so it can’t be just any white tree ei found
By "return the world to darkness and swallow the moon", this would be an analogy to him wanting to obtain deityhood with the gnosis and destroying the world?
Edit: Dottore is the monster. You’re all wrong, the foxes represent the people of Inazuma. The gray fox with a red streak is Niwa. The monster is in fact Dottore that killed Niwa. The bird is the little boy that was ill and later died.
I wonder what was the reason Nahida made Scara a black cat And the foxes his "friends" And Dottore a "fox" in her fairytale. It might just be her literally freedom, but maybe there's a deeper meaning onto it since she's the god of wisdom or sommthin..
I dunno its cute perhaps. Also foxes are also part of a wisdom meaning , yet Dottore isn't (i mean man is arrogant, total opposite) , i guess she put a black cat cause i dunno black cat are normally sign of misfortune yet the foxes litteraly took him in
I think Dottore was mad because he just wasted his time pretending to be one of these people meanwhile Scaramouche was just himself. Like- "so I could have been myself this entire time?!"
Dottore is the monster. The monster looks like a hilichurl without a mask on (also looking at its reflection, which is why hilichurls wear masks). Dottore might be living with the curse but presenting as a human. Perhaps he looks like a hilichurl under his mask?
Smell a little bit of dottore lore I'll never pull him or ei for scara to be comfortable, but I'm all ear for his story✨ always interested in their pov or what they've been trough
Probably just an added thing for it to be fit as a fairy tale. From what i understood, dottore has always been aiming to cause chaos in inazuma, but the kabukimono appears and dottore took an interest in him, and eventually recruited him after the incident with the kid
@@JFreetard it's probably how he felt. My guess is that somewhere deep down, the sicko's really upset that he's ostracized when he shows how corrupt and cruel his means of progression and entertainment are. He probably acted out of line and started warping the furnace for tataragami energy when Scaramouche showed up since the future Balladeer was fully accepted despite being seen as a hollow being. My point is the psychopath could only hide in plain sight while Kunikuzushi would be accepted openly. Il Dottore still showed up looking for Scaramouche, but was set off when Scaramouche was found by the Tatarasuna natives and accepted. He's probably had points where he had to hide his Psychopathic nature and still gets pissed when he sees others not in the same situation.
The more I am playing Genshin Impact, the more I am convinced that the entire Honkaiverse (i.e. Honkai Impact and Gemshin Impact) is just the other side of the reality to the Kingdom Hearts universe.
Just like what others are saying, i also think that dottore isn't exactly jealous of scaramouche making friends, but he is pissed that scara, who is a inhuman vessel created by electro archon, is so readily accepted into the society while he has to hide his true, twisted self to be accepted by the people. The pale flame artifact lore also states how people banished him from his homeland for his beliefs and mentality. In the Sumeru AQ, he says that he doesn't want to be rejected by the academia for a *second time* . He got angry about how everyone keeps rejected him while scara, despite of his inhuman origins is treated so nicely and thus he killed miwa to destroy scara's life
i don't know if anyone can answer that, but i would LOVE to know the name of the artist who made the illustrations for this video. im obssessed with this art style
I was comparing the dubs out of curiosity Nahida's Japanese VA actually does a Scaramouche impression for the last line it's funny Anyone can tell me if her Chinese and Korean VA do it too?
So why is dottore a monster before committing crimes? Is he an abyss character? Like he’s indicated to be a monster prior to doing anything and looking at his reflection. Reminds me of the concept of the abyss wearing masks. Which I haven’t even gotten that far. First play thru I really was casual, this play thru I’ve left Lisa’s book quest cause it always seemed fishy to me.
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I love that this telling of events frames it as though Dottore saw Scaramouche making friends and took it personally.
YEAH FR 😭 He got jealous that scara fits in while being different and being himself, meanwhile dottore is faking it all
Taking into Dottore's backstory, which was mentioned in the Pale Flame Artifacts, plus the secret notes/world quests/books which hinted his initial identity as Zandik, its understandable regarding the feelings of jealousy.
@@vanessachowjiaying4423 I doubt Dottore feels jealous of "having friends" and he only cares about fitting in to the extend of making persuing his own interest more convenient. (At least based on what we know so far, future info can ofc change.)
The difference between him and Scara is that Scara was BORN (/created) differently, then got abandoned by his mother for something he had no control over, then tried his best to fit in because he genuinely wanted friends/family, people to connect with.
Meanwhile Dottore's family/living situation must have been good enough that he could enroll into the Akademiya (for example it's almost impossible if you're born poor or in the desert nowadays, and a few hundred years ago they were probably even more discriminatory).
He was described as handsome, smart and a great conversationalist, and was able to quickly befriend people even if they had a negative first impression of him. He didn't have any problem fitting in besides his very morally questionable opinions (something you aren't born with and have control over). He was reprimanded multiple times and didn't change his behavior and only cared about whether he got expelled or not because studying and experimenting and all that stuff is easier to do at the Akademiya with funding than on your own. Evidently he didn't care about whether others liked him unless it benefitted his goals. We don't know why exactly he was expelled but at the VERY LEAST he literally murdered an other student. Sooo... I think it's fair to say he ocastrated himself.
In short: Scara thought his friends betrayed him, Dottore strangled his "friends".
I'd argue one is a monster in sheeps clothing or in this case fox fur, the other is just born different. (Not talking about everything he did after joining the Fatui since the fairly tale is about his past only up to that point).
@@Mercyfalls I think, at the very least, Dottore cared about fitting in more than just the practical utility being accepted gave him. There was too much venom and bitterness when he said he didn't want to be rejected by the Akademiya yet again.
I don't think he'll be a tragic figure like Scaramouche, but he might be a pitiable one. From how the story framed it, I see it as less Dotore being jealous of Scaramouche obtaining friends, and more bitterness about the fact that he has to put up so many facades and lies to hide his ugliness and inhuman perspective, yet Scaramouche, being completely inhuman and completely open about it, is still accepted without a single hesitation.
@@Moonlight-fh7yo now Scaramouche parallel with so many characters, like nahida and Dottore and the traveler
It's disturbing how the heart was not an analogy. Coz Dottore DID take Niwa's physical heart and used it for "sacrifice".
That must have felt so gruesome to Scara, both when he first found out and when he knew whoes it was
Nahida, watching the actual events go down in Irminsul: Damn. No need for a metaphor or analogy in this case.
@Subhadra Mahanta Actually, Dottore told him the heart came from a servant Niwa murdered before he fled. It wasn't until the Archon quest did Scaramouche learned of Dottore's deception.
The Monster is Dottore.
The kitten is Scaramouche.
The fox with red hair is Niwa.
The little birdie is that boy.
And the moon is Nahida.
The moon is the All of the God including Raiden Shogun as his creator
@John Dukal the explanation is is that dottore killed all of scaramouches friends
The moon is divinity and gods. Not sure about the monster one.
@@phosphophyIIite_ spoiler alert
@John Dukal because as he say it before . He presented himself as a monster or a demon
scaramouche really is our little meow meow
the scrunkle
The cat with socks
Yup ceo of being a little meow meow
Scarameowche
So children stories are literally a way to hide forbidden/deleted knowledges in teyvat.
Basically confirmed the importance of that book in lisa's quest.
Problem is that it's buried under layers of Fiction based on real events.
Heck, this tale Nahida made only refers to the Fatui and such because we know the actual events it was based on.
If this was in a vacuum, what else is it supposed to represent?
That's why Venti became a bard as well, since the best way to preserve a memory is through story telling even if it seems "fictional" to the audience
The Fischls novels are actually very lore heavy
I better start reading the books I collected!
@@arnowisp6244 well but people will only remember it as "fiction" n as long as no mention of specific name it won't be erased, nahida is incarnation of irminsul itself, as what we see on rukkhadevata's case, only she or higher rank being can bypass herself at this moment.
I KNEW there was something up with why the Abyss Order was so desperate in stealing the Pale Princess and the Six Pygmies book in Lisa's story quest. It bothered me a lot for 2 YEARS omgggg I was right to be suspiscious. IT MUST BE AN ALLEGORY FOR SOMETHING
Probably for the abyss twin
Definitely the Tsaritsa and the other six Archons.
I wonder why?
@@monadolifesaver5613 You just blew my mind.
@@kumonoameai not a clue how. Everyone comes to the conclusion eventually.
The lore in this is fantastic, but I’m amused at the fact they chose a kitten to represent Scaramouche. I mean, it fits his character perfectly, just funny lol
He is a kitten when he's not using his claws a lot.
so he can be made into a plushie
I guess it's because he was innocent before, a cat suits him, since it can fit both innocence and impurity at the same time yk
I did not expect Dottore to feel any type of guilt or sadness about what he did. I wonder if it’s a creative interpretation or whether Nahida saw that Dottore felt that way when she read his mind.
I think Nahida saw it or knew a lot about Dottore before that. You can read what I'm about to mention in the Fatui Artifacts Set when you not want to read or know anything about it, it may be a spoiler!!!
There it is mentioned that since he was a child, Dottore has been called a monster and a madman and was banished from his hometown with clubs and pitchforks. He then goes to the academy, but he wasn't treated any differently there either and after all Pierro found him.
I would also like to mention that people may called him a monster because he had a dream from a young age to give normal people the power of a god. Why or if he had this dream as a child is still unclear I think.
Anyway after this Fairy Tale I think Dottore believed at some point that he is a monster and he must act like one but that he still has feelings of guilt etc like a human being? I also think Dottore was kind of jealous of Scaramouche too because he's a puppet and they still treated him like a human, but he's basically always been on the run and he never had anyone in his entire life?
Also something else why I believe that Nahida knew more about Dottore before she read his mind is, because she asked him if he could managed to make peace with himself and i found it weird that Dottore didn't answer this question and just changed the subject.
Sorry, I just love how well written Dottore's character is. He seems to have a really complex story, which is what really draws me in... :(
@@CottonCandy00 I don't think he believes he: "has to act like one"?
Or at least... I hope not. I'm kind if tired of the whole "if people see me as a monster, I might as well be one" trope at this point. And I just want Dottore's story to genuinely tell an interesting, unique story about how monsters like him are made, instead of the same thing I've seen already.
@@CottonCandy00 My concern is how the start of the fairytale can be read:
For one part, I can understand it as Dottore managing to get into Tatarasuna and join its community, he pitied them because they couldn't understand that his despise, under a magnifying glass, was absolutely dooming them from the start.
OR if we are getting a bit of Dottore's background after being chased out of Sumeru- because they seem a bit unique: a father fox welcoming Dottore, a mother fox seemingly glad to see him, and a wide-eyed young fox staring at him. We don't know much about Tatarasuna, but Dottore as Escher (if I'm remembering correctly) never mentioned a family, just that the engineers of Inazuma welcomed him when he mentioned he came from Fountain to help him. So...why a family of foxes? I could understand his pity if it was a condescending one, but in the story Dottomon looks legitly upset that the family can't see him for what he is/can't understand him.
I can't understand it for the Tatarasuna plot BUT I can understand it as Nahida explaining Dottore's sudden decision to actively antagonize Scaramouche: here is Dottore, who was a normal human yet albeit one smarter than the rest, who knew nothing but hostility and persecution all of his life for wanting to make Gods, seeing a puppet from none other the Raiden Shogun being completely accepted in their community despise his highly inhuman nature just because he can pretend better than him. Remember, when he speaks to Niwa, he's relishing in the suffering it's going to cause Scaramouche and how no one will be able to stop him once Niwa's gone and mocks him for daring to call Scaramouche a human and even compares himself to a demon.
Like, Dottore made everything about Scaramouche suddenly a very personal matter when his mission was just to make an opening for the Fatui in Inazuma because he could have swayed him via manipulation- but instead, he made him suffer for more years until Pierro decided to let him join the Fatui. And even then, both Dottore and Signora are very keen on calling Scaramouche a puppet in a very demeaning manner, not just because that's what he is, as if he's lower than them.
@@CottonCandy00 so basically megamind ..?
@@katzcat8181 For Lady Ashes it felt different. Hers felt more like a warning about Dottore albeit said meanly and the abuse he just takes. Similar to Scaramouche warning to her about her arrogance being her downfall in the same scene. I felt like they were warning each other in their own way.
scaramouche really serving Nightmare Moon with this one
both have heartbreaking backstory
and both dealt with truama. Very cool
Bro you just made au and feeding scaramation
okay BUT CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE ART? IT’S DAMN GOOD AND CUTE
Fr
Nahida really said "You can delete yourself from irminsul all you want, but I will still find a way to hold you accountable"
This is the only comfort I get when I feel that Scaramouche is not rightfully punished for what he had done.
The moral of this story that Nahida learnt the hard way. Always backup your data, otherwise you may lose something important like with [redacted].
genshin really said that scara is a kitten
1:36 The fox didn't know what was coming.
Lmao😭🤚
Among us
Amogus
My theory Summary : Dottore was originally trying to cause trouble to Inazuma which Jester had requested. He decided to fake being a friend to infuriate Tatarasura, but the people treated him like their own and dottore felt he was a monster after being treated so well. He saw himself as a monster that no one could accept. And pity to them that they could not see his true self and only saw his fake. Though he felt comfort that they were able to accept scaramouche despite being non human. Envy built up inside him and he felt furious that they were able to accept him so easily, while he had to hide his true self. This motivated him and broke the hesitation to corrupt Tatarasura and complete Jester’s request. I don’t know but perhaps Dottore saw Scaramouche as a test subject or maybe he was just bitter so he conducted the furnace experiment on him, when he survived Dottore saw Scaramouche as a good pawn.
That's a nice theory and I would like your version! (And who knows, with there being so many different segments who could have different personalities then theoretically nothing is "out of character" for Dottore until we know more)
But I'm afraid that based on what we know so far, Dottore didn't care about people being nice to him or treating him as "one of their own" and that wouldn't have emotionally touched him at all.
People liked him at the Akademiya yet he was literally murdering girls who wanted to be his friend/date long before he ever joined the Fatui.
Sure, it irked him that people at the Akademiya saw him as a madman and didn't agree with his views...
but I'd say he only has himself to blame. I mean..... if one's true self means "doesn't care about morals, ethics, feelings, health or lives of others" it's unsurprising that others won't accept them. He can't murder people if he feels like it and experiment on children and then expect others to not mind.
Dottore playable confirmed
@@Mercyfalls he still care about people being nice to him remember at the archon quest he said he was disappointed that no one cared about his academic experiments
@@Mercyfalls Another interesting fact, this should be the original dottore. Go check out wanderer’s story, it explains that dottore used scaramouche’s blueprint to able to establish making his own segments after scaramouche joined the fatui. at this point scaramouche have yet to join the fatui, this this should be the original dottore.
since all Dottore's clones have something different in some aspect, its not wrong to assume that at least one would achieve empathy eventually.
who knows maybe we get to meet a Rogue Dottore Clone who gets to be playable.
Well that makes the Pale Princess and The Six Pygmies even more interesting. Anyways, I never thought I'd see Scaramouche as a kitten in literally the game in my life. I want Scarakitten as a plushie now.
I completely forgot what that was, can you share what you know about it
Yeah, tell us what it's about. I don't know much at all.
Ima make one coz Ik how to sew 💗💗💗💗💗💗😭😭
@@shadex0437 hello! I just posted a reply to the commenter Haru, you can read it. Sorry for the late reply!
@@Citkatz1lightbulbiifan that's amazing!!
2:49 We need a Scarameow plushie!!!!
and a fluffy dottore plushie too😭 he looks so huggable here
There's a shop called "plush shop" that makes them and others!
I got mine at lazada it's so adorable and soft wtf 😭😭
I just noticed; this tells of one important detail among many! Scarakitten buried the bird; he didn't burn him down! It really was a funeral pyre! Take that, haters!
And he tried to burn the doll to see if a heart appears, but it didnt. Everytime his lore is more sad
@@VerdanaMedina where did you hear or find this info?
I think he burned the child, but he wanted to know if the child had a heart, because he saw the child just like him. A boy without a name. So when the boy told the story, he thought that’s how you can find the heart but when he realized the boy just disappeared into ashes, he saw that as betrayal and so for him, it was like being told he doesn’t have a heart. Maybe after, he buried the ashes of the child.
Idk maybe this is just me, but has anybody else noticed that the way nahida portrayed the monster/dottore was kind of sad too, like going off on the facial expressions of the little characters and such. I mean probably it's mostly just to give the story a fairy tale feel, the "actually lonely monster who tried to make friends" character (bc we know that that wasn't what canon dottore was trying to do, he wasn't trying to make friends), but part of me wonders if maybe, bc nahida made contact with dottore, she saw a deep and hidden part of him that we don't know about (a tragic backstory? hidden agendas?) and that's partially why she portrayed him in such a way?
Taking into account the world quests/secret notes/artifacts lores, its implied that Dottore was originally Zandik, like how the Harbringers have true names before taking on Harbringer codenames. Based on Zandik's backstory, there's a hint that Dottore had felt inner rage/anger of being an outcast, thus the jealousy.
Maybe she was able to see his younger self's memories and therefore found a small part of him that could be pitied? Dottore mentioned he pulls segments of himself from different time periods, so maybe she saw the one segment he's never brought to life; the one still full of hope and happiness before becoming lonely and monstrous.
since all Dottore's clones have something different in some aspect, its not wrong to assume that at least one would develope empathy or some kind of regret through his actions.
who knows maybe we get to meet a Rogue Dottore Clone who gets to be playable.
@@nunocampea2395 it might be the youngest if that's ever gonna happen, just bc hyv somehow made him the last to speak and was the only one that spoke very clearly compared to the other clones who kind of just talked over each other
@@niffleraku wasnt the last to speak one with a very evil madman tone? but yeah it also sounds kind of young.
but yeah i feel like that one is gonna be inportant
Scara’s tears never failed to touch me
damn..their artstyle has improved too much:)
nahida's a good storyteller
"And no one can know that they were different."
I wonder if Nahida got that impression from Scaramouche himself, or if she applied it to him. Because, if it was the case that she saw it in him... then that means all Scaramouche really wanted as an Archon was to destroy the boundaries between all people, so there were no more outcasts and misfits. So everyone would belong.
This! That’s what I was thinking . God damn this little detail is so important to understand his intentions
To get this first out of the way: I think it’s important to note that Nahida chose all of the lines in her deliberate allegory (which the traveler agreed reflected the events that occurred well and accurately) with the intent of reminding herself of the truth and that Nahida has been inside of Dottore’s head and had a glimpse of his inner thoughts.
The way the original Chinese depicts this tale is interesting because it taps more into a certain line that a lot of people seem to be not paying attention to. The tale of the little monster and the kitten is a bit different in the original Chinese text as it's implied Dottore used Niwa’s heart to protect Scaramouche from the furnace (not to necessarily torment him that way) and to ensure he'll make it out alive without any damage being done to him. The tale mentions that the kitten (Scaramouche) and little monster (Dottore) befriended each other/the little monster felt companionship/understanding. And he wanted the kitten to understand his view. The only remainder of this narrative that seems consistent in the English localization seems to be the line where Dottore is depicted as a “lone monster” and the tale references that he felt solace when the kitten joined them (with the mention of them both desiring to be foxes, which is an allegory for wanting to fit in with the humans).
To add to this, the original Chinese of Scaramouche’s story text in his profile reads "(the Doctor) warmly welcomed the puppet and delicately cared for him in the years to come." From this we might speculate that rather than only being jealous of Scaramouche for being accepted, he had finally found another outcast who could maybe understand him. And he wanted it to remain that way without anyone's interference at the time.
Which touches up on Dottore's possible loneliness and his need for companionship, to be understood and have an equal who could match his views of the world that had long since been rejected.
I think the monster is Dottore since whatever he was wearing was light blue like his hair and his “face” was in the shape of the plague doctor’s mask that he wears in his shoulder…the kitten is obviously scara since he has red eyeliner and the feather around his neck
I believe there are far more obvious ways to identify who is who than the designs of the animals.
The monster also killed the fox with the red stripe in his fur, like Dottore killing Niwa
@@baronsionis6855 well duh...but I saw some people saying it wasn't dottore before, so I wanted to give my two cents. Thats all.
Yeah it’s 100% dottore, can’t believe there’s people thinking otherwise lmao.
@@dietahhhh I think a lot of people saw just this clip and not the Irminsul memory stuff before, so they made a lot of assumptions
Interesting fairy tale so maybe
"Pale Princess And 6 Pygmies" Or should we say :
"Abyss Twin And 6 Archons"
but there are 7 archons?
Maybe... Since the traveler is gender dependent on the player... It's actually about the Tsaritsa?
@@peepostaringintoyoursoul3699 The Dendro Archon had to stay with Irminsul, so perhaps the Khaenre'ah Cataclysm was the "Abyss Twin and the Six Archons".
I think its not about the gender , cause its a fairy tail.
Yes it is , only 6 archons that appear in Khaenriah. The Dendro one have more important task
Ey, this mystery of "Wait isn't there 7 Archons" finally got solved in Fontaine.
scarameow
kunikitten
nyanderer
agree
The greatest secrets can be discovered in the most childish of places.
Scaramouche three betrayals but nahida version:
So if what ei wanted which is to let scara decide his own fate he turns into the gentle wanderer we met? He's gentle but still empty inside, it seems that fate is cruel to scara either way
yeah it's tragic no matter where you look, ei thought he deserved freedom but unintentionally making him feel abandoned in the process, and just when he thought he found people he could be with that genuinely loved him, the entire community is destroyed by a cruel experiment. Tries to find love and companionship again, found it in a child, but said child also ends up dying from the same thing that destroyed his previous community. Doesn't really excuse all the destruction he caused later on and he should take accountability and make up for it (from the quest it sounds like he's gonna try and do that), but it does make you feel sorry for him, makes you wonder about all the "what ifs" that could've happened for none of this to happen to him
@@niffleraku I wonder how his Wanderer life was like before he came to Sumeru.
the chubby blue monster fox is so cute lmaoooooooooo
The monster seems to have some guilty within him. Interesting take on Dottore.
The fact that nahida got the big brain to stockpile/store scara's past is why she is the archon of wisdom
Literally a poor little meow meow...Scarameowche
A gray fox stood up and addressed the monster. It said: "You are the cleverest among us." Me: AMONG US?
Holy crap that fox fur suit even looks like the astronaut suit from Among Us.
That joke is overuse
imposter from among us
📮
SUS XD
Man Nahida is so smart she was able to make a record that was not wiped away before scaramouche did what he did.
So basically books are basically records of hidden or forbidden knowledge in Teyvat. All those weird books quite have some sense now
I just realized something. Abyss mages also wear bird masks like Dottore does. Could just be cosmetic coincidence, but it wouldn't surprise me if Dottore and the Jester have ties to the Abyss Order.
Genshin gets darker and darker every quest istg😭
Now we know why Venti was so insistent on turning everything into a poem/sonnet... this is getting interesting
Can we just appreciate the background music for a second😭
I actually want to take who ever made this as i finally understand wanderer’s past story (I didn’t quite understand the actual one and this actually helped a lot-) 😂
1:35 I can't help but die of laughter every time I hear this godforsaken word, GET OUT OF MY HEAD!
The forbidden knowledge has influenced your life.
Koomaxx's prediction of Cat-eared Scaramouche came true.
From the notes scattered around Sumeru, We can tell that Zandik (Dottore's real name, Which means "Heretic" in Arabic btw) might've been a narcissist.
Envy is a huge trait of narcissistic people. So, Who knows. Maybe he did feel envious towards Wanderer. After all, He seems to have been an outcast. Everyone did not agree with what he was doing and no one understood him nor supported his passion.
One does need to be narcissistic to feel capable of envy, though it’s very possible that Dottore developed his present sense of pride as a response to how he was ostracized and shunned from the community.
scarameow being made from a white tree is sus SUS, there’s only one white tree connecting genshin lore and it’s irminsul
- he’s mentioned to be a transcendent divine being, so it can’t be just any white tree ei found
By "return the world to darkness and swallow the moon", this would be an analogy to him wanting to obtain deityhood with the gnosis and destroying the world?
i planned to give scara some meme name but because of this story my heart melted and i called him koneko (kitten in japanese)
The kitten is Scaramouche (The Wanderer), The foxes are the people in Teyvat and the "monster" is ???
Dotorre
Maybe Yae? Nah, idk
Nah, the foxes are the Fatui. The one with the glasses represents Pantalone and the one with the cane represents Pulcinella. The grey fox is Pierro
Edit: Dottore is the monster. You’re all wrong, the foxes represent the people of Inazuma. The gray fox with a red streak is Niwa. The monster is in fact Dottore that killed Niwa. The bird is the little boy that was ill and later died.
Dottore obv look at it
I wonder what was the reason Nahida made Scara a black cat
And the foxes his "friends"
And Dottore a "fox" in her fairytale.
It might just be her literally freedom, but maybe there's a deeper meaning onto it since she's the god of wisdom or sommthin..
I dunno its cute perhaps. Also foxes are also part of a wisdom meaning , yet Dottore isn't (i mean man is arrogant, total opposite) , i guess she put a black cat cause i dunno black cat are normally sign of misfortune yet the foxes litteraly took him in
That's a really well-fed cat lol
Are you calling scara fat
you dare gaze upon it?!
Nice now I can watch it everyday :)
I think Dottore was mad because he just wasted his time pretending to be one of these people meanwhile Scaramouche was just himself. Like- "so I could have been myself this entire time?!"
You are a cat now Wanderer.
Scaramouche literally gives Scourge warrior cats vibes
This is why I named him kitten
You are the cleverest AMONGUS....
I think the last line tells that if Scaramouche succeeds he is going to destroy Irminsul.
Dottore is the monster. The monster looks like a hilichurl without a mask on (also looking at its reflection, which is why hilichurls wear masks). Dottore might be living with the curse but presenting as a human. Perhaps he looks like a hilichurl under his mask?
Sissel is Scaramouche?
That's a plot twist to that plot twist.
1:34 A- AM-M-M…. GOS- MO- AMOGUS
HELPPP why did this make me cry
we need a scara and dottore plush now
after these cutscene i got curious if BP cutscene is some deleted and rewritten part of history too
Cat Scara is Canon.
so sweet man!!!
Smell a little bit of dottore lore
I'll never pull him or ei for scara to be comfortable, but I'm all ear for his story✨ always interested in their pov or what they've been trough
So did Dottore was jealous of Scara for been accepted and he was rejected or he just simple plain Evil ?
Probably just an added thing for it to be fit as a fairy tale. From what i understood, dottore has always been aiming to cause chaos in inazuma, but the kabukimono appears and dottore took an interest in him, and eventually recruited him after the incident with the kid
@@JFreetard it's probably how he felt. My guess is that somewhere deep down, the sicko's really upset that he's ostracized when he shows how corrupt and cruel his means of progression and entertainment are. He probably acted out of line and started warping the furnace for tataragami energy when Scaramouche showed up since the future Balladeer was fully accepted despite being seen as a hollow being. My point is the psychopath could only hide in plain sight while Kunikuzushi would be accepted openly.
Il Dottore still showed up looking for Scaramouche, but was set off when Scaramouche was found by the Tatarasuna natives and accepted.
He's probably had points where he had to hide his Psychopathic nature and still gets pissed when he sees others not in the same situation.
@@monadolifesaver5613 thats a really great deduction. I just assumed it was a mere add on.
@@JFreetard dear diary, today I have received compliment.
@@monadolifesaver5613 yoooo that's such a cool theory and it makes so much sense considering other info we have on Dottore/Zandik's past.
Shall be my pfp now
Am i the only one nahida knew scaramouche gonna use irminsul and thats why she created this book
I know its just astory but I WANT THAT CAT
s c a r a m e w c h e
Tfw Amber's book might contain secrets.
i honestly thought this would be an animated cutscene 😭
SCARAMEOWWW OMGGGG !!!!!
he's so cute
Dottores so adorable omg-
This reminded me of Marius's trailer from TOT
Can we get a cat- scara plush his too cute
AFTER THIS I REALIZED THE CAT IS SCARA-
Nahida: *Amongus*
now hes _REALLY_ a pathetic little meow meow
KITTTYYYYUHHH
The more I am playing Genshin Impact, the more I am convinced that the entire Honkaiverse (i.e. Honkai Impact and Gemshin Impact) is just the other side of the reality to the Kingdom Hearts universe.
So I definitely played this quest but don't remember 😭
My fave part of the quest
So Dottore is jealous of friendship ? or becuz he is afraid that he would be cast out if he shows his true self ?
Just like what others are saying, i also think that dottore isn't exactly jealous of scaramouche making friends, but he is pissed that scara, who is a inhuman vessel created by electro archon, is so readily accepted into the society while he has to hide his true, twisted self to be accepted by the people. The pale flame artifact lore also states how people banished him from his homeland for his beliefs and mentality. In the Sumeru AQ, he says that he doesn't want to be rejected by the academia for a *second time* . He got angry about how everyone keeps rejected him while scara, despite of his inhuman origins is treated so nicely and thus he killed miwa to destroy scara's life
Who the hell is the artist!!!!!! I love this drawings omg
i just realized the gray fox has a red hair strip or whatever u call it is Niwa😓😓😓
Dang, and here I thought foxes were cunning.
Can I still trigger the story? I am way past finishing the Fontaine story quest but I never recall seeing this whole fairy tale depiction of his past.
i don't know if anyone can answer that, but i would LOVE to know the name of the artist who made the illustrations for this video. im obssessed with this art style
Scarakitty
I was comparing the dubs out of curiosity
Nahida's Japanese VA actually does a Scaramouche impression for the last line it's funny
Anyone can tell me if her Chinese and Korean VA do it too?
English dub is best
Where this part from archon quest or nahida story quest
Archon quest epilogue (inversion of Genesis)
I wish it had a special music for it I mean a cinematic
0:17 day and what? nicht?
I thought the bird was me 😂😂😂
So why is dottore a monster before committing crimes? Is he an abyss character? Like he’s indicated to be a monster prior to doing anything and looking at his reflection. Reminds me of the concept of the abyss wearing masks.
Which I haven’t even gotten that far. First play thru I really was casual, this play thru I’ve left Lisa’s book quest cause it always seemed fishy to me.
When he was a child people around him called him one. He was called a monster all his life and took it to heart as an adult
I swear i know this story from somewhere