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The way you describe the differences between compression for live sound and the studio makes me think that we need to compress differently for the live sound and the live stream or recording, which is pretty hard to accomplish with most sound boards by themselves.
Our integrator is installing a dLive now. One way I use compression on our old Yamaha M7CL is on the pastor's channel. I set up a parallel channel with strong compression and put minimal compression on the primary channel. The primary channel carries all of the liveliness of the pastor's voice. The parallel channel serves to compress from the bottom up instead of the top down. This, in conjunction with some creative gating helps me amplify him when he talks softer more than I amplify him when he's louder. I can bring his dynamic range within 10 dB and still carry the effect of talking loud in the change of tonal quality and soft without any moments that are too loud or moments that are too soft. With the new system, I plan to do this with the minister of music as well to help bring his voice out front without increasing his top level too much. So it's easier for the volunteers (and me) to sit his voice in the mix without losing him.
Thank you so much, the detailed explanation and context definitely help heaps! God Bless You so much for sharing this! We are working with Allen and Heath SQ6 here, it's a small hall approximately 12 ft (H) 40ft (w) 60ft (L/ depth), x2 Tops 15inch, 2x 12 inch active monitors; all miked up/ lined in drums, bass, 5 vocals, keys 1 keys 2, guitar -- yep it does get loud
Great question. I assume by monitor you mean “stage monitor / wedge” and not metering point. If that is the case, it will likely be a situation where it’s a case by case basis. If the musician is particularly educated or practiced in mic techniques then you would opt for a pre-comp send to the monitor mix to give them a realistic feel of their vocal. However, 99% of the time that isn’t the case and the compressed vocal will be more pleasing to the musician. If you were referring to the metering point, i would still elect to monitor the post compressed signal as any outgain may cause clipping. Blessings, Austin
Dope video brother. I typically run my Main Lead Vox as follows. 4.1.x / threshold -15db / attack 13 MS/ release 250 ms / muGain 0.. I do have the drum set sitting behind the singers so not the best stage layout.
Hello Austin and thank you for this video. Can you still use a limiter when you're playing back a church service on a home PA system? Sometimes a preacher will shout loudly and then the next minute he's almost whispering. Does a limiter address that type of situation? Again, this will be just playing back audio on/through a PA system. Thanks.
I have the DOD 822-RM 8 channel mixer that was given to me in 2018 or 2019 from a small church when they upgraded. It's probably time for me to upgrade Lol.@@austinharmanmixes
Yes- RMS will compress the “average” of a wave over a given time. A “peak” will react to transients on a wave. So if you need a brick wall limiter, for example, you’d expect for a “peak” compressor because it will prevent your transients from clipping the channel.
thank you sir , so good a video , do you have any experiences with head mic's ,there no many videos about live and head mic's eq ,comp , etc , and more and more vocalist are using them , thanks
Interesting topic! When do you think it makes sense for a church to add external processing? We run an M32, but I have been considering a waves processing unit for external effects.
External processing gives you flexibility to be able to use multiple compressors at once or different kinds of compressors. Not all compressors are made the same, and you can get lovely effects with different kinds of compression. Depending on budget, it can be a huge upgrade in sound.
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Chiming in 9 months later. Fantastic video. Explained a lot of things for me. Thank you
9 months later I’m thankful this video is still helping out there. God bless!
This is really helpful. Will try this one on the weekend. Thank you!
Awesome! Glad you enjoyed!
Nice video man! Thanks a lot for sharing
You bet! Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you so much! I will be trying it this weekend and see how it goes 😊
Best of luck!
Helps a lot!!!!! So clear and Detailed
Thank you! I’m glad you found this helpful.
This is cool! Could you do a video just like this on the Gate function in a live mix?
@@daltonmccuen6773 for sure!
The way you describe the differences between compression for live sound and the studio makes me think that we need to compress differently for the live sound and the live stream or recording, which is pretty hard to accomplish with most sound boards by themselves.
I do think this is the case. Multiple layers of simultaneous compression may be needed.
Our integrator is installing a dLive now. One way I use compression on our old Yamaha M7CL is on the pastor's channel. I set up a parallel channel with strong compression and put minimal compression on the primary channel. The primary channel carries all of the liveliness of the pastor's voice. The parallel channel serves to compress from the bottom up instead of the top down. This, in conjunction with some creative gating helps me amplify him when he talks softer more than I amplify him when he's louder. I can bring his dynamic range within 10 dB and still carry the effect of talking loud in the change of tonal quality and soft without any moments that are too loud or moments that are too soft. With the new system, I plan to do this with the minister of music as well to help bring his voice out front without increasing his top level too much. So it's easier for the volunteers (and me) to sit his voice in the mix without losing him.
Great strategy! The DLive is a great desk. Send me an email if you need help!
sales@thepenn.group
This definitely helps am trying to achieve a more open sound for a live setting and am learning this helps because i know a little about compression
Great to hear!
Great, it helps me a lot! Thank you
Glad it helped!
Hi. Can you please make a video tutorial this time for instruments compression.
Yes I can!
Don’t miss my processing cheat sheets on my Patreon, which covers drum and vocal processing.
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THX for posting
You bet. Hope it was helpful for you.
Thank you so much, the detailed explanation and context definitely help heaps! God Bless You so much for sharing this! We are working with Allen and Heath SQ6 here, it's a small hall approximately 12 ft (H) 40ft (w) 60ft (L/ depth), x2 Tops 15inch, 2x 12 inch active monitors; all miked up/ lined in drums, bass, 5 vocals, keys 1 keys 2, guitar -- yep it does get loud
Glad it was helpful!
thank you for sharing 😊
It’s my pleasure! Thanks for watching!
Wouldn’t you want the tap point for the monitor to be before the compressor?
Great question. I assume by monitor you mean “stage monitor / wedge” and not metering point.
If that is the case, it will likely be a situation where it’s a case by case basis. If the musician is particularly educated or practiced in mic techniques then you would opt for a pre-comp send to the monitor mix to give them a realistic feel of their vocal. However, 99% of the time that isn’t the case and the compressed vocal will be more pleasing to the musician.
If you were referring to the metering point, i would still elect to monitor the post compressed signal as any outgain may cause clipping.
Blessings, Austin
Very helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
Dope video brother. I typically run my Main Lead Vox as follows. 4.1.x / threshold -15db / attack 13 MS/ release 250 ms / muGain 0.. I do have the drum set sitting behind the singers so not the best stage layout.
Thanks for sharing!
Hello Austin and thank you for this video. Can you still use a limiter when you're playing back a church service on a home PA system? Sometimes a preacher will shout loudly and then the next minute he's almost whispering. Does a limiter address that type of situation? Again, this will be just playing back audio on/through a PA system. Thanks.
A limiter will help for sure! Just set ratio to infinity and dial up the gain
@@austinharmanmixes Ok thank you. Now I need to start looking at different kinds of limiters.
Your console should have one on it
I have the DOD 822-RM 8 channel mixer that was given to me in 2018 or 2019 from a small church when they upgraded. It's probably time for me to upgrade Lol.@@austinharmanmixes
@shadrachjackson752 yeah, send me email: sales@thepenn.group
Can you explain rms & peak when to use which ?
Yes-
RMS will compress the “average” of a wave over a given time. A “peak” will react to transients on a wave. So if you need a brick wall limiter, for example, you’d expect for a “peak” compressor because it will prevent your transients from clipping the channel.
thank you sir , so good a video , do you have any experiences with head mic's ,there no many videos about live and head mic's eq ,comp , etc , and more and more vocalist are using them , thanks
Happy to make one for you
@@austinharmanmixes sounds great thanks , how would we do it. .? Thanks for your help
Check my patreon, I will upload a cheat sheet. www.patreon.com/AustinHarmanMixes?
Useful explanation !❤ But please, next time, ask the people in the background to be quiet… it’s really annoying.😬
Thanks for the feedback!
Thank you so much ..
You bet!
Thank you
For sure!
Interesting topic! When do you think it makes sense for a church to add external processing? We run an M32, but I have been considering a waves processing unit for external effects.
External processing gives you flexibility to be able to use multiple compressors at once or different kinds of compressors. Not all compressors are made the same, and you can get lovely effects with different kinds of compression.
Depending on budget, it can be a huge upgrade in sound.
Voice Vocal
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Vocal chords lyrics
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that side chain eq isn't doing anything. you already have a high pass on the channel above that point.
That may be the case, but I find that using the side chain filter can be helpful anyway, because the HPF isn’t a perfect roll off.