I mean, you technically can do more stuff in a pc than a typewriter. Plus if cpu have integrated graphics, then you don’t need a gpu, for basic stuff (I do gaming so I need a gpu, also have a channel).
The manufacturing cost for RTX 4000 series graphics cards has gone DOWN since their launch in Q4 2022, not up. They cost less to produce than they did back then. These high prices are simply due to corporate greed and shareholders' demands, not because of increased costs. You can find costs of silicon wafers and die yields on several online sites. Also, the vast majority of Intel's GPU driver issues have been dramatically improved. If you don't believe me, buy an Arc A580 and record yourself playing through a bunch of games on it.
How come u only got 1,298 views when this is a good quality video and an official channel too? Hope you guys get more subs and views to make more videos like this
Pascal wasn't the good days. The good days was the turn of the 2010s. By Pascal, prices had already increased (the first generation I spent 50% more than I used to over the ten years prior -- for the same level of hardware). Turn to beginning of the 2010s be like: 1) Barly any cards ever over 500 bucks (~700 bucks today). 2) Numerous cards in between 150 and 200 bucks able to game anything on high (~250-300 bucks today) 3) Even dedicated gaming mags running recommendations for cards for 100 or even less (100-150 bucks today). That's right, HD 3850,4850 or 6770 et all were perfectly game, and only on the most demanding games out you needed to reduce details. I played Skyrim on a 70 bucks HD 6670 when it came out on medium details. 4) Even Nvidia occasionally releasing an absolutely value rocker, such as the 8800 GT -- offering 20-25% less performance than the 8800GTX -- for half the price. Has never happened since. Won't do so ever again too. This didn't exactly hurt PC gaming. It meant that you could take any halfway recent PC, invest anywhere in between 100 and 200 bucks -- and had a machine capable of gaming anything out there. Whereas nowadays you'd need to invest the price of a console on a GPU -- might as well buy one. With AMD's biggest customer being Sony (PlayStation) and Nvidia making much more money on AI, guess they don't care. Nor have to. That said, 45-60 fps was considered perfectly fine by most. However, 60Hz monitors, sometimes even CRT, were still to be found. And even 120hz screens a total niche. I've seen articles comparing FPS per Dollar by each generation of GPU -- but that's not telling the full story of technology at that time. I mean, back in the day, 25fps on PS1 was also considered decent, and in early Pentium days, 15-20 in Wing Commander 4 was considered playable on a tiny flickering CRT. Speaking of which, did the price of screens go up near as much as for GPUs? Or mobile phones, for that matter? Television? That's progress: Making better product for comparable, oft even reduced prices -- and making it affordable for as many people as possible. The Gpu market meanwhile, is actually regressing since.
The prices of goods and commodities in 2024: "There's some inflation but it's okay" 😊 The prices of GPUs in 2020-2024: "The year is 9721, after thousands of years of World War 7 even producing a single transistor costs us life and limb, so we deem inflation to be somewhere in the range of 5,000% to 12,000% and prices are reflected accordingly." 🤑
what's happening with gpu prices? Crypto miners are happening. its always the crypto miners buying up the latest GPUs and artificially raising the prices.
Perhaps a manufacturer will eventually build a PCIe processing card dedicated specifically for crypto mining, thus lifting the burden off of the mainstream market.
Your argument about Nvidia's RAM pricing is primarily based on mathematical calculations. When you crunch the numbers, dividing the price by RAM and then multiplying it by the RAM for the new cards, you'll find that they all come out to roughly the same cost per chip. While I'm not in favor of receiving less RAM for the same price, your argument seems a bit lacking when considering the price structure alone.
The biggest issue with " my 1070 i still good enough" is it holds back gaming in general. Instead of taking advantage of better hardware, game Dev lower the bar by a lot. This is even more true of SSD space.
4060 isn't that bad it's fairly decent it's more that's the starting price for something OK not even good or great is 300 bucks now with the 4060 or 7600 xt if you're not willing to buy used or your country has a bad used market. 4070 super or 7800XT or 7900 GRE is when you actually start to get more value for money but again having to spend 500 to 600 dollars is absurd just to get good value when in 2016/2017 were great value was only around 250 to 380 dollars for 1060 to 1070ti. Even the 1050 ti was actually pretty good budget card for the time for people really on a budget and now a tier below 300 dollars basically doesn't exist anymore.
tbh GPU prices look high because there is a lack of good GPUs in the budget and extreme budget segment and also the games nowadays are barely optimized, like just look at starfield. The value which cards like rx 570/580 8gig models gave back in the day is just not present anymore. Instead we have shitty cards like RX 6400, GTX 1650s and Gtx 1630s. Instead of discontinuing older Pascal cards, Nvidia should've just lowered the price of pascal cards or release graphics card with similar performance but lower price. Its not like a 1070 from back in the day can come anywhere near a 4070 from today. But we should be able to get a 1070 performance for cheaper price atleast
I hate Reddit so much that I blocked all Reddit URLs from my searches, and I do like my 4070 :) running local AI to make graphics is awesome. great video and an eye-opener for price comparisons
R.I.P amd . trying to be the best on the market with better performance and sheaper price . but it cant because the STUPID fancy RT and dlss 3 its . its stupid to know that the 4060 have less vram and the same perform as the 3060 . or 4080 super just a OC 4080 and less price but with that nale it will sell as a new card . or 3050 6g very diffrent than the norm version with a little cut of the price
pov japenese poeple after any of the most important things in daily life becomes 0.01$ more expensive : i aint needing this shit keep it for ur self . and that's how food prices never changed in more than 40 years if anyone who needed a gpu decided to go for last gen gpu's instead of overpriced bullsh** we wouldn't have 4090 going up from 1600$ to 2300$ depending on the country (it could go for 1399 and they d still make enough profits since i cant say i know but it coast around 700$ to manufacture + 150 to 250 for air cooling and around another 300 in employs and electricity and taxes i can't say where i got those numbers)
I mean 549 dollars for a gpu seems reasonable though. I can’t say it is that bad considering inflation and the fact that it gets more expensive to make gpus as they go and shrink the die further. Expecting prices to always stay the same when even food has increased due to inflation is hum, not realistic.
bruh at what point is it ? the 4070 can be sold for 450 and they d still make profits and the rx 7700xt was latly going for around 340$ and the 7800xt was seen around 460 (we could say 410 since it came with assasin screed mirage) and even the 6800 and 6800 xt would be a better deal cuz more futur proufe better in 4k gaming (im sur itwill handle gta 6 very well ) (its only about the 7800xt i didnt look at the 6800xt performance but it should be around 5 to 10 % less in worst cases )
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just buy a typewriter, they’re much cheaper than GPU’s and on top of that you also don’t need a monitor :D
I mean, you technically can do more stuff in a pc than a typewriter. Plus if cpu have integrated graphics, then you don’t need a gpu, for basic stuff (I do gaming so I need a gpu, also have a channel).
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The manufacturing cost for RTX 4000 series graphics cards has gone DOWN since their launch in Q4 2022, not up. They cost less to produce than they did back then. These high prices are simply due to corporate greed and shareholders' demands, not because of increased costs. You can find costs of silicon wafers and die yields on several online sites. Also, the vast majority of Intel's GPU driver issues have been dramatically improved. If you don't believe me, buy an Arc A580 and record yourself playing through a bunch of games on it.
I really want the intel arc to either compete with the 5090 or 5080 with good ai solutions and ray tracing similar to nvidia's
I think once Arc gets better, they will be worth the money, which is ironic since its an intel product.
They're already worth the money. The ARC A580 is incredible for just $180. 99% of the driver issues have been sorted out.
Is this a company channel? This is some of the best content I’ve seen for the tech world lmao
How come u only got 1,298 views when this is a good quality video and an official channel too? Hope you guys get more subs and views to make more videos like this
I respect Jensen Huang & NVIDIA extremely for the work they've done in AI. Blackwell is absolutely killer!
Pascal wasn't the good days. The good days was the turn of the 2010s. By Pascal, prices had already increased (the first generation I spent 50% more than I used to over the ten years prior -- for the same level of hardware). Turn to beginning of the 2010s be like:
1) Barly any cards ever over 500 bucks (~700 bucks today).
2) Numerous cards in between 150 and 200 bucks able to game anything on high (~250-300 bucks today)
3) Even dedicated gaming mags running recommendations for cards for 100 or even less (100-150 bucks today). That's right, HD 3850,4850 or 6770 et all were perfectly game, and only on the most demanding games out you needed to reduce details. I played Skyrim on a 70 bucks HD 6670 when it came out on medium details.
4) Even Nvidia occasionally releasing an absolutely value rocker, such as the 8800 GT -- offering 20-25% less performance than the 8800GTX -- for half the price. Has never happened since. Won't do so ever again too.
This didn't exactly hurt PC gaming. It meant that you could take any halfway recent PC, invest anywhere in between 100 and 200 bucks -- and had a machine capable of gaming anything out there. Whereas nowadays you'd need to invest the price of a console on a GPU -- might as well buy one. With AMD's biggest customer being Sony (PlayStation) and Nvidia making much more money on AI, guess they don't care. Nor have to.
That said, 45-60 fps was considered perfectly fine by most. However, 60Hz monitors, sometimes even CRT, were still to be found. And even 120hz screens a total niche. I've seen articles comparing FPS per Dollar by each generation of GPU -- but that's not telling the full story of technology at that time. I mean, back in the day, 25fps on PS1 was also considered decent, and in early Pentium days, 15-20 in Wing Commander 4 was considered playable on a tiny flickering CRT. Speaking of which, did the price of screens go up near as much as for GPUs? Or mobile phones, for that matter? Television? That's progress: Making better product for comparable, oft even reduced prices -- and making it affordable for as many people as possible.
The Gpu market meanwhile, is actually regressing since.
$599 samsung S3 and samsung s24 $1000
The prices of goods and commodities in 2024: "There's some inflation but it's okay" 😊
The prices of GPUs in 2020-2024: "The year is 9721, after thousands of years of World War 7 even producing a single transistor costs us life and limb, so we deem inflation to be somewhere in the range of 5,000% to 12,000% and prices are reflected accordingly." 🤑
what's happening with gpu prices? Crypto miners are happening. its always the crypto miners buying up the latest GPUs and artificially raising the prices.
Perhaps a manufacturer will eventually build a PCIe processing card dedicated specifically for crypto mining, thus lifting the burden off of the mainstream market.
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I hope you warn people about this matter, and if you want more details, I will tell you
amd and nvidia clearly engaging in a duopoly.
For AMD RYZEN 9 7950X3D 584,90€ is insanely high. For NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4090 it is 1.789,00€ despite the advetised price of 1500€ :(((
Your argument about Nvidia's RAM pricing is primarily based on mathematical calculations. When you crunch the numbers, dividing the price by RAM and then multiplying it by the RAM for the new cards, you'll find that they all come out to roughly the same cost per chip. While I'm not in favor of receiving less RAM for the same price, your argument seems a bit lacking when considering the price structure alone.
The biggest issue with " my 1070 i still good enough" is it holds back gaming in general. Instead of taking advantage of better hardware, game Dev lower the bar by a lot. This is even more true of SSD space.
4070 is marketed as high end not mid range
4060 isn't that bad it's fairly decent it's more that's the starting price for something OK not even good or great is 300 bucks now with the 4060 or 7600 xt if you're not willing to buy used or your country has a bad used market. 4070 super or 7800XT or 7900 GRE is when you actually start to get more value for money but again having to spend 500 to 600 dollars is absurd just to get good value when in 2016/2017 were great value was only around 250 to 380 dollars for 1060 to 1070ti. Even the 1050 ti was actually pretty good budget card for the time for people really on a budget and now a tier below 300 dollars basically doesn't exist anymore.
I still run 1070 at 1440, a 1080 and a 1080 ultra wide. Its still a ok card.
Doom, high
Warframe, mid high
Destiny 2, low mid
tbh GPU prices look high because there is a lack of good GPUs in the budget and extreme budget segment and also the games nowadays are barely optimized, like just look at starfield.
The value which cards like rx 570/580 8gig models gave back in the day is just not present anymore. Instead we have shitty cards like RX 6400, GTX 1650s and Gtx 1630s.
Instead of discontinuing older Pascal cards, Nvidia should've just lowered the price of pascal cards or release graphics card with similar performance but lower price. Its not like a 1070 from back in the day can come anywhere near a 4070 from today. But we should be able to get a 1070 performance for cheaper price atleast
First time watching an ad and not getting mad😂
I hate Reddit so much that I blocked all Reddit URLs from my searches, and I do like my 4070 :) running local AI to make graphics is awesome.
great video and an eye-opener for price comparisons
R.I.P amd . trying to be the best on the market with better performance and sheaper price . but it cant because the STUPID fancy RT and dlss 3 its . its stupid to know that the 4060 have less vram and the same perform as the 3060 . or 4080 super just a OC 4080 and less price but with that nale it will sell as a new card . or 3050 6g very diffrent than the norm version with a little cut of the price
pov japenese poeple after any of the most important things in daily life becomes 0.01$ more expensive : i aint needing this shit keep it for ur self . and that's how food prices never changed in more than 40 years if anyone who needed a gpu decided to go for last gen gpu's instead of overpriced bullsh** we wouldn't have 4090 going up from 1600$ to 2300$ depending on the country (it could go for 1399 and they d still make enough profits since i cant say i know but it coast around 700$ to manufacture + 150 to 250 for air cooling and around another 300 in employs and electricity and taxes i can't say where i got those numbers)
Great video
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I mean 549 dollars for a gpu seems reasonable though. I can’t say it is that bad considering inflation and the fact that it gets more expensive to make gpus as they go and shrink the die further. Expecting prices to always stay the same when even food has increased due to inflation is hum, not realistic.
bruh at what point is it ? the 4070 can be sold for 450 and they d still make profits and the rx 7700xt was latly going for around 340$ and the 7800xt was seen around 460 (we could say 410 since it came with assasin screed mirage) and even the 6800 and 6800 xt would be a better deal cuz more futur proufe better in 4k gaming (im sur itwill handle gta 6 very well ) (its only about the 7800xt i didnt look at the 6800xt performance but it should be around 5 to 10 % less in worst cases )
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