Hey folks, Anyone interested in watching the full interview with Cheryl Horn can find it on Patreon. Currently, there is also another brand new video up on there as well. www.patreon.com/themissingenigma
Bro I’ve adored this channel ever since I discovered you I don’t know how long ago now , let’s just say before the awesome guitar intro was In every clip 👍🏼💯
From other crime podcasts, this is only one of many cases in this area and native American reservations which feel not right. And, the police and authorities act in a way which gives you the feeling they're trying to control information and push the truth they want people to know. Not the REAL truth. So, much corruption in places like Big horn and similar. As for Selena (RIP), am I the only one who thinks the story given by witnesses and investigators is NOT what happened? Is it possible Selena fled the vehicle and something happened? The way native Americans are treated by the law, sadly including their own people, is disturbing.
Another great video. There are so many of these missing 411 / true crime channels on YT nowadays but I haven't seen any of them go to the lengths you go to with these cases to actually find out what happened beyond just sending a FOI request for the case info. 👍
She was obviously underage drinking and acting as such Like an a drunk school girl I experienced this multiple times as a drunk school boy We did stupiT things that made absolutely no sense while underage drinking and I’m very lucky to still be here . No joke. & disrespect , it’s just the obvious truth .
The second half of this video was so frustrating and heartbreaking. You could hear the frustration in Cheryl's voice at all the misinformation and malpractice that had been involved in the case. I have to commend you for actually going and talking with the people involved in the case and going the extra mile instead of just parroting what you could find on the internet. Excellent work, Missing Enigma.
That's the way it should be. This is not for enterteiment but to see what kind of world is this? Why this things happen! To try to understand humanity as a whole. This is horrible and sad! Wish you well. 🙏
Yep great point. This guy puts so much legit genuine care into these cases, shows you it’s not just about the clicks for him he genuinely tries to find as much truth of the cases he can that might serve some help for the victims and families, even albeit sometimes minimal.
It also only presents facts unlike David Paulides who twists the truth to support his own ongoing narrative and leaves out facts that don't support it.
@@jupitermoongauge4055 good point. Although I do like DP, I was disappointed in the UFO/411 movie to find out the one hunter had all kinds of drug issues. Not putting down ppl w addiction or saying they can’t or didn’t see what they did, but DP completely left out all of those facts. I still think he’s done good work, but I’m sure there are other cases he’s done that with too.
He doesn't make videos as often as others, but his details are second to none. 411 and Missing Persons are busy blaming Bigfoot and Fairies. You actually learn things from this channel.
Truly sad how Native American women get treated by our justice system in this country. I hope one day people stop becoming so blind and justice is served.
@@andrewritter2873 “our justice system” native Americans have nearly 400 different justice systems across the US. The Indian Reorganization Act in 1934 recognized the right of tribes to enact their own laws and establish their own formal tribal courts.
I’m related to the victim through my fathers side, this was such a confusing and wild story. It demonstrates the utter confusion and aggravation dealing with local, state, and tribal law enforcement and jurisdiction, which explains the response you received upon inquiry. I’m originally from that area, not many realize how rugged certain reservations and surrounding areas are, it competes with inner city urban crime rates. Thanks for covering this, your care and compassion shines through and is appreciated. Keep up the great work, I pray that this message finds you well!
To firstly lose your _twin sister_ at just 11.. let alone all the rest of that tragedy on top of that in such a short time is heartbreaking. I know from experience. Poor girl.. I hope some positivity comes from this. And prayers go to the parents 🙏
What happened to an 11-year-old, to make them so despairing, that they took their own life? Does the family know why that poor girl did that? Rest in peace, Selena and siblings. 🙏🏼🕊
Well and I'm just speculating... someone else in the comments section said that allegedly Selena was abused by her father. It isn't that far of a leap to speculate that the sister who took her own life was abused too. Something seems really off with the family losing so many of its members. 🌹🕯
Wait, so the couple had a son killed by police at age 24, a daughter killed in a hit and run at 22, a daughter disappear & die at 16, and a daughter kill herself at 11. That's horrible.
Reservations are places that have been plagued by poverty, injustice, substance abuse, etc. They are often victimized by law enforcement as well as perpetrators who know police involvement is little or nothing.
I am very appreciative of the respect you have shown to Selena and also the issue of missing and murder indigenous women. Thank you for highlighting her story.
It should be helpful to know why there are no mentions, by the authorities, if cell phone records were obtained regarding those at the party and the occupants of the van in question. I think, Cheryl Horn should be running the investigation. After all, she really cares about the truth!
Hundred percent agree with that statement this was just so full of holes somebody's covering up something for somebody this is heartbreakingly incredulous, that poor girl, may she rest forever in peace and with Jesus..🙏
Phone records should have most definitely ALL been throughly investigated! I’m feel pretty safe saying that I bet they weren’t and were probably even tampered with and deleted.
Absolutely Cheryl Horn should be taken seriously. She has done a great job so far and. For being a close relative, she seems fairly objective. It's usually the women in all societies who generate the energy to find the truth, help right the wrongs and bring the true perpetrators to justice.
How could they not see her body? The terrain is so open it looks like a parking lot. Was the grass longer during the time of the year she went missing? You did a great job collecting and sharing the information that a lot of the other channels don’t provide. Thank you for going the extra mile. Your episodes are never “cookie cutter”
Have you even gone to a room looking for something, look around and not see it, then come back later and it's right there in front of you? Yeah, it did not magically vanish and reappear, you just missed it even though it was not hidden. Now imagine someone lying on the ground in an uneven field, with maybe rocks or vegetation of some kind, being searched by people with no experience and without a grid search or much organization, if the story is told as it happened. Missing her is not that difficult.
There was no vegetation and it was flat ground, my family and I know them personally but the father was also molesting his daughters, also they moved her body and put it back, they think it was something to do with the cartel. But that truth won’t ever come out. Because everyone’s covering everyone’s back so they don’t go to prison. Yes this information has already been told to the authorities but still nothing has come from it. A lot of cover up down here especially for the cartel
Two girls drugged in a van full of guys? Yeah she may think they’re good dudes because they’re her people but it’s always the ones you least expect. Sounds like a coverup to me, what a sad story.
"...Yeah she may think they’re good dudes because they’re her people..." Dude, she literally says the opposite. She explicitly calls them bad and calls them "bad crows".
Great job,your channel is the best at investigative journalism. This case has relatives involved that are too close to the case. The phone records would be important, to show the time and location of the people involved. She deserves the truth being told and hopefully it will come out. She had a rough life and still had that beautiful smile that comes across in her pictures. If this was more than a terrible accident because of neglect, I hope she gets her justice.
@Dutch Schaefer isn't that just what cops do? Shooting people of color and indigenous people and protecting capital are everything that cops are useful for.
I've seen missing enigma videos while scrolling through TH-cam before but this is the first one I've ever watched. I'm impressed. I like your compassion and empathy towards the victim and her family. You respected them. The interview with Cheryl was very good.
Nick need to be an investigative journalist!! This dude has a intuitive knack for covering a case from all angles and getting the story straight!! MAD PROPS TO NICK!!
I listen to these ,and I like his respectful tone and "aura" he makes in the video.. I don't like listening to others,of similar nature channels.. just because they overreact and hype up the supernatural aspect of these cases, even though they're not at all like that..
Yeah I was just thinking although I love his straightforward or stripped down style ,he could literally pull off a clichéd makeover of the scuzzy office with the window door , horizontal window aluminium window Blinds , trilby type hat & a cigarette or overflowing ashtray !
Family knows the least about the situation with any teens involved.. the friends know the truth.. Family is usually baffled when they even hear what their teens have been up to
Hey Mr. MisssingEnigma, i cant stop rewatching your old videos. Cant wait to do that here. Your content is so well done, it shows the level of effort and dedication it takes to make a QUALITY channel
Me also, I’ve learned so much more about these people that other channels have omitted, not sure why they did, Missing Enigma still tells the stories that are such great listening. 💯 agree with you
This is some real investigator level work you are doing. Your channel is underrated. Deserves millions of subs. Interviewing the family was necessary to get a full picture.
I really appreciate your content, you probably don't realize how many people truly appreciate your work. I have heard you cover cases I already knew from other channels or TV programs - but your videos always have the most details which I find impressive considering some of those TV programs have network financing backing them, and it seems you have mostly passion for the truth. Some of the cases that appear unexplanably mysterious seem to have more rational explanations when you consider the totality of the evidence. Keep up the great work
Wow. This is disturbing in many ways that I wasn't expecting. The quick "closure" of the case by the sheriff, the firing of the under sheriff after speaking out regarding the sloppy search done by the volunteers comes off as putting the blame on them. Then the addition of the father as the new under sheriff is beyond odd. I get the impression that it's "being handled" by the native community as the 3 guys were also natives. Maybe the father's new position was to placate the family. I can understand trying to keep all internal matters as simply that, internal. Was the father even in law enforcement before this? Just too many things don't add up, which is terribly too common in this demographic. My heart goes out to the family and I truly hope that they get the answers they rightly deserve. Thank you for another great story ❤
I saw some interviews with the Undersheriff... omg that dude deserved to be fired.I was shocked at some of the things he said out loud on film. This is a direct quote from the Big Horn doc: “Some of the family members of Selena Not Afraid wanted to be in the spotlight. That’s why they kept pushing themselves in the National media. They wanted their 15 min of fame.” (The girl is missing and he's telling her aunt to stop posting on Facebook about it! WTF!) Then he goes on to whine about how the attention put all this pressure on him. The contempt from this guy is palpable. He also literally said he doesn't believe that MMIW is real. He's a real piece of work this one.
@@TigerLily61811 I appreciate the additional info. Dude sounds worthless in every aspect. Nothing like blaming the victims family for trying to get as much attention to their case as possible.
Thank you for covering the story of Selena Not Afraid so thoroughly and thoughtfully. The interview with her aunt was incredibly enlightening. My prayers go out for Selena and for all who loved her. Her Spirit flies and is in everyone's heart.
It’s more than “generally accepted” that indigenous women and girls go missing at ‘higher’ rates than other groups. It IS A PROVEN FACT. Don’t pull your punches👊 I appreciate you focusing on this crisis and for responding to a listener to feature a particular case .
Blown away by this story… Top quality video, I love how thorough the cases are getting covered and genuine care being poured in. It shows. Best wishes to Selena’s Family.
I’m from Montana, indigenous women and children do go missing alot in and around the reservations, but it’s the indigenous men who perpetrate these crimes and that’s often ignored.
I don't think it's that we ignore it, it's that it's not relevant to the message who is causing the harm. The problem is these women are missing or killed, and their cases are dismissed, belittled and ignored by the very people who are supposed to protect them. That because of circumstances they are not worth the resources, time and attention that other races receive. That needs to change, and what is happening will continue, until the problem is brought in to the light and addressed.
@@blondie7740 do you realize they have their own legal system? There are about 400 tribal justice systems in the United States. tribal courts are a free-standing part of the tribal government that oversees legal issues that arise. So when you say we don’t give them the recourses and time other races receive, that’s because they are not involved in the US legal system.
@@cal8362 Yes, I do realize they have their own justice system. It does not change the fact that this is a systematic problem that needs to be addressed, not for people to say, well it's on reservations, so it's not important. That response is a great example of saying, these women don't matter, and should ignore what because of x, y, z excuses.
Thank you to this channel for telling this baby's story!! This beautiful young girl deserves her story told,and her family DESERVES ANSWERS and JUSTICE.
are you kidding me? This is the fucking Rez bro the truth will never come out because everyone is related to everyone else and they’re going to protect their own and they don’t give two fucks if somebody dies if somebody is drugged if somebody is raped, they don’t care it’s par for the course it’s the reservation you’ve obviously never growing up on the Rez to know anything about how that goes there’s no justice people will protect their own to the gates of hell and that’s just how it goes
What a tragic story---My heart definitely goes out to Selena's Mom and Aunty. Even before Selena's Aunty said anything, I noticed how indifferent the sheriff seemed in the short interview. THAT is especially tragic for a young woman who lost her life! Thank you for doing great research and interviewing for this important story.
I’m glad you pointed out that you are careful to keep things as factually accurate as possible. When making videos about subjects like this I think that is extremely important out of respect for the victims. You got your values in check. . That poor girl went through some incredibly difficult times. So very sad ❤
A true and honorable person who CARES. Thank you for not filling your videos with "subscribe!"s and 60 second mobile game ads. You're the only person I've seen who goes above and BEYOND. Thank you, as someone who has native family and friends, this video is amazing.
Seriously. This is the best channel. So many “true crime” channels try to dramatize things for entertainment, it’s awful. They talk about Bigfoot, aliens, serial killers that don’t exist, and use stock footage. This guy is so respectful of the victims and their families in telling their stories, and uses his own beautiful drawings.
The most sensitive, sensible, capable, intellectual missing persons investigator on TH-cam. Thanks for all you do for these cases and keep it up, the world needs more honest and decent people like you in media
There isn't much that this channel doesn't supply. I find it awesome that among the videos, that you clearly work hard on, there is a great voice to tell the stories within. Serious, but varied enough so it's easy to listen to. I'll leave this here in the event you see it. Thanks for your hard work.
The fact that Jackie found Selena's purse at the foot of a bed with blood on the bedding screams foul play. This injustice must be rectified and culprits brought to bare responsibility for their actions. May the Lord have mercy on Selena's soul and give comfort to her loved ones in their grieving. Thanks Nick for your awesome work.
The autopsy did not reveal any major injuries to Selena's body so it is unlikely the blood was from Selena. Unless it was from a nose bleed or other non-injury source.
Thank you for wearing MMIW sweater & also for covering a case involving an indigenous person. My husband was murdered on a reservation & it's gone unsolved for over 13yrs.
Awesome! Great job Missing Enigma! This is by far one of the best missing persons channel. This is truly a topic that needs to be covered more and more resources by police agencies included. Because there truly comes a time when you’ve gotta ask yourself with MMIW being such a huge and horrible problem going on in Canada especially that you’ve gotta truly ask yourself if the police agencies are involved or just don’t care?
Always an excellent program. The interview with the aunt, was amazing, and shed so much light on significant details. Not sure how often these premiere on youtube, but I was REALLY starting to miss Nick. But, you can tell he puts so much time into extensive research.
Thanks for caring and giving exposure to missing indigenous women on any level. You're right about the stats being murky in the US. But it's clear that somehow somewhere these women are basically seen as throwaway or invisible especially if they had a difficult life like Selena did
The term is “less dead” prostitutes and indigenous people aren’t nearly as high of a priority as a “good” middle class white girl going missing or getting murdered. The police just don’t give a crap so often. Sometimes the police themselves are taking part in that abuse of them like it’s some sort of game. It’s so disgusting
I've traveled that stretch of I90 a quite a few times.. whole area has an eerie feeling to it.. those reservations are far & above the saddest places I've ever been
Honestly, the thought that the entire search and investigation was based on the word of these flaky-sounding people in the van crossed my mind even before Ms. Horn started speaking. I can’t even imagine how frustrated her family must be. Thank you for giving them another outlet to raise their voices.
Wow. That is so sad. I hope the truth comes out even if it’s straightforward. Withholding the information like that is awful. Thank you for all you do. The interview was so valuable.
I feel for Selena. Excellent work on your part. It's frustrating to deal with the roadblocks and inconsistencies from various agencies. It's amazing how you piece things together. Thank you.
I gain more respect for you as a person with every video. Thank you for caring about the families of missing people, having empathy and not turning these tragic events into sensational entertainment
Always love a new video from The Missing Enigma! I find myself checking for any new videos at least a couple of times a week usually. These videos are that good - and I understand the production time is extensive, but thank you for all that you do! You're the best channel out there in the mystery and missing community, hands down. Keep up the fantastic work!
There are so many questions not asked or unanswered. For example, if Selena was so closely watched and her daily movements were heavily supervised by her mother, why didn't her mother return to the house, after she was done at the casino, to pick up her daughter? Even if her mother was gone longer than an hour, why not return to the house that evening to pick up her daughter? Were there text messages or phone calls between Selena and her mother that evening? Why would the mother go home and not check on her daughter until the next day when the aunt called? Did police search the house in question? Why did only one person get charged with child endangerment when the man living at the house was also an adult? Just so many questions that could bring forward more details to this case. Possibly why the case remains open. I hope the family hires a good attorney outside of their community to get records subpoenaed and help them get some solid answers. God bless.
Appreciate the nuance that you use when stating unreliable statistics and facts. The cl0wns in legacy media could learn much about journalism from you. Looking forward to this
The algorithm finally fed me one of your videos a few days ago, and I'm darn glad it did after the handful that I've watched. This one has always been haunting and awful to me; your diligence and objectivity to the potential ways this might have actually played out is seriously endearing. One of the easiest subs ever.
I don't know if I missed it but what was the guy and allegedly Selena arguing about? I am assuming all cell phone records where checked etc? No doubt more than likely in the investigation records mentioned. What a multitude of tragedy this family has endured. This one is indeed an enigma.
There's nothing mentioned as to what they're arguing about, but if i had to wildly speculate, it might have been about the van breaking down or the fact they passed where she wanted to be dropped off at without dropping her. which might have encouraged Selena to walk off, is she thought these boys weren't going to help her get home. They also could have been arguing about the alleged goading to fight with another girl as mentioned in a witnesses' facebook post. All speculation, but seems reasonable to me.
Since the guy’s whereabouts are accounted for and he can’t be present with her since he left to a different town, I doubt anybody cares about the argument.
I just recently found your channel. I love camping and although old in comparison it's still a summer activity for my family. We tent camp and sometimes find Forest roads that allow dispersed camping. We live in Seattle. You're really thoughtful and obviously thorough in every investigation. Thanks for letting us experience these cases through a closer "lens" than the media.
As someone who comes from a state where native women vanish so often I really appreciate you taking the time to share this story and giving a voice to people who need it :)
Thank you for doing real work and not just building a brand off the suffering of others like 90% of true crime TH-cam. I’m lookin at you (literally pick any name)
After reading/hearing about so many missing persons cases over the years, I simply have great reservations about the quality of search and rescue personnel. I mean, these are just people. Warm bodies with eyes that MIGHT spot something. They're worried about being hungry and tired and getting back home in time for work. Their hearts are in the right place, but what kind of training do they really have? So many cases talk about how searchers went through the area. Well, they obviously were not properly trained or focused enough to find. It's not something that just anyone can go do.
When walking in a line to cover a large area people tend to drift toward one another and cluster. Especially when it is untrained people who are unsupervised. Afterwards, everyone insists they didn't.
You need to make more videos bud, I love watching yours while relaxing and falling asleep, in a good way, your investigating and attention to detail to each one must take a lot of work
She definitely wasn’t there, they dropped her body off later. She was never at the rest stop, something bad happened at that house and her Aunt is a better detective than the county police and the sheriff.
The police obviously botched this, but I think both explanations are possible. If she started drinking again to similar levels as the other girl in the car, then the logic of “why would she walk into the wilderness??” just doesn’t apply. I know firsthand that I’m one of those drunks who Irish-goodbyes and one time in college I walked all the way through a park surrounding a local reservoir without a coat in November to get home ~3miles distance from the bar I was at. There was no logic to it, and coming out unscathed was nothing but dumb luck. Was there frost covering Selena? Was she wearing grey/brown/black or otherwise landscape-colored clothing that may have disguised her among the sagebrush? Could the frost have masked the canines ability to search? (are there error rate studies for canines in cold weather or snowy/frosty environments?) The case for foul play also seems compelling. Mainly, why did the investigators quickly suspect Selena may never have been at the rest stop? Where did the blood in the bedroom that her purse was found go, and why wasn’t it sampled and tested? Were the kids ever questioned separately for their statements? What did they say was the reason for the argument captured on the Snapchat? Did Selena’s cell ever ping to location of the rest stop? If her autopsy did not have high blood-alcohol content, then did she ever try calling 911? When did the autopsy determine her time of death happened? Was it New Years Day or later? Did the police ever request a warrant for cellular/text records between the kids in the van? If they didn’t, why not after they suspected she was never at the rest stop? Why would they not investigate the communication between witnesses of a mysterious disappearance? They could have been communicating to get their stories straight and even coordinate dumping her body later. Was the van ever looked at to determine it really “broke down” at the rest stop (convenient, it seems?) and what the kids did to “fix it” on their own? Like, did they even have tools with them? The public isn’t entitled to an account of the policework of an active investigation, but the FBI owes it to her family to step in and investigate if this basic level of police-work was completed or not and offer the public some reassurance if there has been a proper or improper investigation, if they continue to refuse talking about it themselves. Thanks for covering this story! I vote for you visiting in January to document what the conditions and landscape looked like at the time of her disappearance, to better understand the conditions the search and rescue we’re dealing with.
@@MrBombastic302 yep, that’s another theory and could explain their apathy to search for her. If they assaulted her and she ran into the wilderness to avoid them (+avoid the highway where they could find her), then they wouldn’t exactly be compelled to join the search party. Cos then if they found her alive, she’d just point police to them and say what they did to her.
A question I have is what direction was her body pointing in? There didn't seem to be any of her foot prints (but according to the aunt, everyone else's). Just because she was found a mile from the rest stop doesn't mean she only made it a mile. She could have walked quite a distance, realized her mistake, and turned back toward the rest stop.
Her hands were purple and lips a little purple. No other damage for 20 days in the elements. Crappy investigators with county and operation lady justice!
It seems fairly cut and dry regarding cause of death. It's hard to argue otherwise, given the circumstances. Though, what makes this case ever more perplexing is the abundant amount of speculation and hearsay testimonies regarding the people involved. What's just as strange is the case being considered open? Why won't law enforcement release the records? Could there be more to this story? Do we know who is telling the truth and who isn't? What ever came of the blood test results regarding the one girl who was with Selena at the rest area? I think this case deserves a follow-up. What's troubling is just how flawed the investigative and judicial process is regarding this particular case. Hopefully one day, we have answers to these questions.
I remember when she was first reported missing, the weather in that area was unbearable. I remember thinking, how could somebody just walk out in it not properly dressed. Didn't make sense. She wouldn't have survived the night.
This channel is great, no over speculating and misleading scenarios. Just facts and informed thoughts with respect to all involved who deserve it. Thank you Nick.
Hi. Canadian here. One of the reasons why the rates are so lopsided, is due to the intentional self segregation that happens. The laws are kinda blurry with the indigenous people who have their own communities. Some literally don't let cops into them. It causes a lot of friction and makes everything take longer. When someone goes missing, time is super important, but people don't trust the cops, so they might not talk to them at all, or their evasiveness can create false leads. It's not a new issue.
So, I have questions. Why was the other girl hiding in a ditch? If she was hiding, does that not imply that there was something to be scared of? Wouldn't it then be safe to assume that Selena was running away from something, as opposed to just walking into the desert?
@@deerichardz That depends on the ditch and I suspect that most people think of a ditch being something relatively shallow and muddy so it is reasonable to ask.
@@mpmansell It also depends if you are stuck on the definition of a 'ditch' and your 'suspicions'. Seriously, people head away from the road, towards a ditch, to get out of the wind. As for being 'muddy, in this incident, it was a cool day, cooler weather. The girl was found frozen to the ground, if you recall. And as for the question being reasonable to ask, where, in my comment, do I say it is unreasonable to ask such a question?
I never post comments on the videos I watch but I just wanted to this opportunity to tell you that I always look forward to your videos & I really appreciate the time & effort that you put into the content you release!! You can tell that you actually care about the people involved in the stories & not the more sensational aspects of the cases! Thanks for all your hard work & time! Keep up all the good work & I am always looking forward to the next one!!!! 👍✌️
Thank you for reporting on the cases that pop up on the rez, I remember the worst case I heard of was in shiprock,NM. A Pair of siblings were kidnapped by a man and taken out into the desert, one of them was r***ed and while that happened the other escaped and was able to either walk back to town or got picked up and the highway going south out of shiprock. Either way by the time the police made it back the man killed himself and the other kid, but I remember when this made news around the town while I was young, I eventually was able to leave the rez eventually but I never heard of it being talked about anywhere else.
Hey folks,
Anyone interested in watching the full interview with Cheryl Horn can find it on Patreon. Currently, there is also another brand new video up on there as well.
www.patreon.com/themissingenigma
Bro I’ve adored this channel ever since I discovered you I don’t know how long ago now , let’s just say before the awesome guitar intro was In every clip 👍🏼💯
From other crime podcasts, this is only one of many cases in this area and native American reservations which feel not right. And, the police and authorities act in a way which gives you the feeling they're trying to control information and push the truth they want people to know. Not the REAL truth.
So, much corruption in places like Big horn and similar.
As for Selena (RIP), am I the only one who thinks the story given by witnesses and investigators is NOT what happened?
Is it possible Selena fled the vehicle and something happened?
The way native Americans are treated by the law, sadly including their own people, is disturbing.
Another great video. There are so many of these missing 411 / true crime channels on YT nowadays but I haven't seen any of them go to the lengths you go to with these cases to actually find out what happened beyond just sending a FOI request for the case info. 👍
She was obviously underage drinking and acting as such
Like an a drunk school girl
I experienced this multiple times as a drunk school boy
We did stupiT things that made absolutely no sense while underage drinking and I’m very lucky to still be here . No joke.
& disrespect , it’s just the obvious truth .
Where was her cellphone? With the purse?
I cannot overstate how much I appreciate this channel for its sensitivity and prioritization of absolute facts in favor of sensationalism..
No need to take stabs at Paulides.
@@Return_of_the_DudeYou’re the one naming names…
@@Prodigi50 Paulides is a G, but he sometimes goes overboard could be passion who knows.
@@Return_of_the_Dude The thing is that MANY others besides Paulides sensationalize cases like this.
Where did you steal that comment from?
The second half of this video was so frustrating and heartbreaking. You could hear the frustration in Cheryl's voice at all the misinformation and malpractice that had been involved in the case. I have to commend you for actually going and talking with the people involved in the case and going the extra mile instead of just parroting what you could find on the internet. Excellent work, Missing Enigma.
Who? @SkiesKurosawa
This channel actually really cares about story beyond story-telling
That's the way it should be. This is not for enterteiment but to see what kind of world is this? Why this things happen! To try to understand humanity as a whole. This is horrible and sad!
Wish you well. 🙏
Yep great point. This guy puts so much legit genuine care into these cases, shows you it’s not just about the clicks for him he genuinely tries to find as much truth of the cases he can that might serve some help for the victims and families, even albeit sometimes minimal.
It also only presents facts unlike David Paulides who twists the truth to support his own ongoing narrative and leaves out facts that don't support it.
@@jupitermoongauge4055 good point. Although I do like DP, I was disappointed in the UFO/411 movie to find out the one hunter had all kinds of drug issues. Not putting down ppl w addiction or saying they can’t or didn’t see what they did, but DP completely left out all of those facts. I still think he’s done good work, but I’m sure there are other cases he’s done that with too.
He doesn't make videos as often as others, but his details are second to none.
411 and Missing Persons are busy blaming Bigfoot and Fairies.
You actually learn things from this channel.
As a Native American from Montana, this story hits close to home, literally. Thank you for your time and attention on this case.
Truly sad how Native American women get treated by our justice system in this country. I hope one day people stop becoming so blind and justice is served.
@@andrewritter2873 “our justice system” native Americans have nearly 400 different justice systems across the US. The Indian Reorganization Act in 1934 recognized the right of tribes to enact their own laws and establish their own formal tribal courts.
@Andrew Ritter tribal crimes are dealt with by the tribal court.
Not "ours"
@Cal & @M Janny, Selena wasn’t found on tribal land. Therefore, tribal police weren’t involved in her case.
@@jojodancer7 just the cover-up.
It's hard to wrap my mind around all the trauma that occurred in Selena's life.
Brutal
Natives are cursed FYI
It's sadly typical for indigenous girls. 🫤
@@WobblesandBean by their own
Putting Selena's father who allegedly abused her in charge of her case is a joke.
I’m related to the victim through my fathers side, this was such a confusing and wild story. It demonstrates the utter confusion and aggravation dealing with local, state, and tribal law enforcement and jurisdiction, which explains the response you received upon inquiry. I’m originally from that area, not many realize how rugged certain reservations and surrounding areas are, it competes with inner city urban crime rates. Thanks for covering this, your care and compassion shines through and is appreciated. Keep up the great work, I pray that this message finds you well!
That family has endured so much. Condolences
a serious question for you? Did you have any knowledge of her or her friends using magic before?
@@tightjg2503That's a great question
@@tightjg2503very interesting aspect if so wow
@@tightjg2503? what are you talkin about
To firstly lose your _twin sister_ at just 11.. let alone all the rest of that tragedy on top of that in such a short time is heartbreaking. I know from experience. Poor girl.. I hope some positivity comes from this. And prayers go to the parents 🙏
What happened to an 11-year-old, to make them so despairing, that they took their own life? Does the family know why that poor girl did that? Rest in peace, Selena and siblings. 🙏🏼🕊
@@E.D.333 yeah damn right... it has to be a fkt up situation in guessing. Tragic.
@@E.D.333 The dad abused Selena maybe he abused her sister.
Well and I'm just speculating... someone else in the comments section said that allegedly Selena was abused by her father. It isn't that far of a leap to speculate that the sister who took her own life was abused too. Something seems really off with the family losing so many of its members. 🌹🕯
@@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812wouldn't be unheard of in Native communities
Wait, so the couple had a son killed by police at age 24, a daughter killed in a hit and run at 22, a daughter disappear & die at 16, and a daughter kill herself at 11. That's horrible.
Res life
It's way too common of stories on the res. But yes it is horrible
@@snarklarbut why is it common?
Reservations can be treacherous sometimes.
Reservations are places that have been plagued by poverty, injustice, substance abuse, etc. They are often victimized by law enforcement as well as perpetrators who know police involvement is little or nothing.
Thank you for covering Selena’s case! She was an incredible person who was taken too soon. RIP Selena. We miss you
God bless her 🙏
I am very appreciative of the respect you have shown to Selena and also the issue of missing and murder indigenous women. Thank you for highlighting her story.
It should be helpful to know why there are no mentions, by the authorities, if cell phone records were obtained regarding those at the party and the occupants of the van in question. I think, Cheryl Horn should be running the investigation. After all, she really cares about the truth!
100%
Hundred percent agree with that statement this was just so full of holes somebody's covering up something for somebody this is heartbreakingly incredulous, that poor girl, may she rest forever in peace and with Jesus..🙏
Phone records should have most definitely ALL been throughly investigated! I’m feel pretty safe saying that I bet they weren’t and were probably even tampered with and deleted.
@@tw9664 - Yep!
Absolutely Cheryl Horn should be taken seriously. She has done a great job so far and. For being a close relative, she seems fairly objective. It's usually the women in all societies who generate the energy to find the truth, help right the wrongs and bring the true perpetrators to justice.
How could they not see her body? The terrain is so open it looks like a parking lot. Was the grass longer during the time of the year she went missing? You did a great job collecting and sharing the information that a lot of the other channels don’t provide. Thank you for going the extra mile. Your episodes are never “cookie cutter”
It doesn’t look like that when you are there though. It’s bumpy and there’s vegetation. She could have easily been obscured.
She wasn't there during that time.
Half the searchers were drunk addict natives. Let's be honest here. She was let down by her community in more than one way. From birth til death
Have you even gone to a room looking for something, look around and not see it, then come back later and it's right there in front of you? Yeah, it did not magically vanish and reappear, you just missed it even though it was not hidden.
Now imagine someone lying on the ground in an uneven field, with maybe rocks or vegetation of some kind, being searched by people with no experience and without a grid search or much organization, if the story is told as it happened. Missing her is not that difficult.
There was no vegetation and it was flat ground, my family and I know them personally but the father was also molesting his daughters, also they moved her body and put it back, they think it was something to do with the cartel. But that truth won’t ever come out. Because everyone’s covering everyone’s back so they don’t go to prison. Yes this information has already been told to the authorities but still nothing has come from it. A lot of cover up down here especially for the cartel
Two girls drugged in a van full of guys? Yeah she may think they’re good dudes because they’re her people but it’s always the ones you least expect. Sounds like a coverup to me, what a sad story.
Sounded like she said they're "bad crows"
Actually it was two guys and three girls. But one of the guys ended up a convict, so yes it is very shady.
"...Yeah she may think they’re good dudes because they’re her people..."
Dude, she literally says the opposite. She explicitly calls them bad and calls them "bad crows".
@@Joe-sg9ll but, they're all Crow. Selena and all the people in the van.
Skin folks ain’t kin folks
Great job,your channel is the best at investigative journalism. This case has relatives involved that are too close to the case. The phone records would be important, to show the time and location of the people involved. She deserves the truth being told and hopefully it will come out. She had a rough life and still had that beautiful smile that comes across in her pictures. If this was more than a terrible accident because of neglect, I hope she gets her justice.
Thank you so much for speaking for the victims. You are the epitome of truth and respect.
Would be nice he provide some context when he said a police officer killed her brother Makes it sound like the cop just randomly killed some dude.
u cute
@@Joe-sg9ll I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean?
@@Joe-sg9ll 7y
@Dutch Schaefer isn't that just what cops do? Shooting people of color and indigenous people and protecting capital are everything that cops are useful for.
I've seen missing enigma videos while scrolling through TH-cam before but this is the first one I've ever watched. I'm impressed. I like your compassion and empathy towards the victim and her family. You respected them. The interview with Cheryl was very good.
That family has had so much tragedy, hope they get closure and justice.
What if the police arrest aliens band in return for his freedom he has to explain the mechanics and workings of ufos
Wtf are you talking about?
Too much. And I don't believe in coincidence. Something rotten going on here. I wonder if the father had life insurance on the children?? 🇺🇲🦬🐟🐢🦅⚖️⚔️
Nick need to be an investigative journalist!! This dude has a intuitive knack for covering a case from all angles and getting the story straight!! MAD PROPS TO NICK!!
He is.
I listen to these ,and I like his respectful tone and "aura" he makes in the video.. I don't like listening to others,of similar nature channels.. just because they overreact and hype up the supernatural aspect of these cases, even though they're not at all like that..
Yeah I was just thinking although I love his straightforward or stripped down style ,he could literally pull off a clichéd makeover of the scuzzy office with the window door , horizontal window aluminium window Blinds , trilby type hat & a cigarette or overflowing ashtray !
what do you think he is?
Family knows the least about the situation with any teens involved.. the friends know the truth.. Family is usually baffled when they even hear what their teens have been up to
These are natives they know EXACTLY wtf is going on but they won't say
@@jordanalandry1866 And what's that?
@@dF_fallz reeks of trafficking. It's a common issue for native communities
@@jordanalandry1866 Agreed
@@jordanalandry1866 Because nobody Freakin believes them or cares!!!
Thanks!
Hey Mr. MisssingEnigma, i cant stop rewatching your old videos. Cant wait to do that here. Your content is so well done, it shows the level of effort and dedication it takes to make a QUALITY channel
I do the exact same thing.
Same here. Love his video on the yuba 5.
Me also, I’ve learned so much more about these people that other channels have omitted, not sure why they did, Missing Enigma still tells the stories that are such great listening. 💯 agree with you
This is some real investigator level work you are doing. Your channel is underrated. Deserves millions of subs. Interviewing the family was necessary to get a full picture.
I really appreciate your content, you probably don't realize how many people truly appreciate your work. I have heard you cover cases I already knew from other channels or TV programs - but your videos always have the most details which I find impressive considering some of those TV programs have network financing backing them, and it seems you have mostly passion for the truth. Some of the cases that appear unexplanably mysterious seem to have more rational explanations when you consider the totality of the evidence. Keep up the great work
Wow. This is disturbing in many ways that I wasn't expecting. The quick "closure" of the case by the sheriff, the firing of the under sheriff after speaking out regarding the sloppy search done by the volunteers comes off as putting the blame on them. Then the addition of the father as the new under sheriff is beyond odd. I get the impression that it's "being handled" by the native community as the 3 guys were also natives. Maybe the father's new position was to placate the family. I can understand trying to keep all internal matters as simply that, internal. Was the father even in law enforcement before this? Just too many things don't add up, which is terribly too common in this demographic. My heart goes out to the family and I truly hope that they get the answers they rightly deserve. Thank you for another great story ❤
I saw some interviews with the Undersheriff... omg that dude deserved to be fired.I was shocked at some of the things he said out loud on film. This is a direct quote from the Big Horn doc: “Some of the family members of Selena Not Afraid wanted to be in the spotlight. That’s why they kept pushing themselves in the National media. They wanted their 15 min of fame.” (The girl is missing and he's telling her aunt to stop posting on Facebook about it! WTF!) Then he goes on to whine about how the attention put all this pressure on him. The contempt from this guy is palpable. He also literally said he doesn't believe that MMIW is real. He's a real piece of work this one.
@@TigerLily61811
I appreciate the additional info. Dude sounds worthless in every aspect. Nothing like blaming the victims family for trying to get as much attention to their case as possible.
@@TigerLily61811 so many armed people in America and yet this guy is still breathing? What's the point?
You are doing a great service to this cause, Much respect.
Thank you for covering the story of Selena Not Afraid so thoroughly and thoughtfully. The interview with her aunt was incredibly enlightening. My prayers go out for Selena and for all who loved her. Her Spirit flies and is in everyone's heart.
I hope her next incarnation is happier, safer and is so much longer. 🕯🌹
Yo missing enigma, I just wanted to let you know I really enjoy your content. Keep it up man
It’s more than “generally accepted” that indigenous women and girls go missing at ‘higher’ rates than other groups. It IS A PROVEN FACT. Don’t pull your punches👊 I appreciate you focusing on this crisis and for responding to a listener to feature a particular case .
Thousands of white and black women and girls have gone missing over the years. And that's a proven fact!
Blown away by this story… Top quality video, I love how thorough the cases are getting covered and genuine care being poured in. It shows. Best wishes to Selena’s Family.
I’m from Montana, indigenous women and children do go missing alot in and around the reservations, but it’s the indigenous men who perpetrate these crimes and that’s often ignored.
I was wondering if poverty and drugs accounted for it. Indigenous men wouldn’t be murdering women for no cause, I shouldn’t think.
@@animula6908 Poverty is no excuse for r*pe and m*rder. There's a lot of honest decent poor men in the world who don't go down such a dark path.
I don't think it's that we ignore it, it's that it's not relevant to the message who is causing the harm. The problem is these women are missing or killed, and their cases are dismissed, belittled and ignored by the very people who are supposed to protect them. That because of circumstances they are not worth the resources, time and attention that other races receive. That needs to change, and what is happening will continue, until the problem is brought in to the light and addressed.
@@blondie7740 do you realize they have their own legal system? There are about 400 tribal justice systems in the United States. tribal courts are a free-standing part of the tribal government that oversees legal issues that arise. So when you say we don’t give them the recourses and time other races receive, that’s because they are not involved in the US legal system.
@@cal8362 Yes, I do realize they have their own justice system. It does not change the fact that this is a systematic problem that needs to be addressed, not for people to say, well it's on reservations, so it's not important. That response is a great example of saying, these women don't matter, and should ignore what because of x, y, z excuses.
Thank you to this channel for telling this baby's story!!
This beautiful young girl deserves her story told,and her family DESERVES ANSWERS and JUSTICE.
Amen ❤
are you kidding me? This is the fucking Rez bro the truth will never come out because everyone is related to everyone else and they’re going to protect their own and they don’t give two fucks if somebody dies if somebody is drugged if somebody is raped, they don’t care it’s par for the course it’s the reservation you’ve obviously never growing up on the Rez to know anything about how that goes there’s no justice people will protect their own to the gates of hell and that’s just how it goes
What a tragic story---My heart definitely goes out to Selena's Mom and Aunty. Even before Selena's Aunty said anything, I noticed how indifferent the sheriff seemed in the short interview. THAT is especially tragic for a young woman who lost her life! Thank you for doing great research and interviewing for this important story.
Wow, how can anyone get through the pain of losing three siblings? My heart hurts so much for her and her parents! 💔
I’m glad you pointed out that you are careful to keep things as factually accurate as possible. When making videos about subjects like this I think that is extremely important out of respect for the victims. You got your values in check. .
That poor girl went through some incredibly difficult times. So very sad ❤
A true and honorable person who CARES. Thank you for not filling your videos with "subscribe!"s and 60 second mobile game ads. You're the only person I've seen who goes above and BEYOND. Thank you, as someone who has native family and friends, this video is amazing.
Seriously. This is the best channel. So many “true crime” channels try to dramatize things for entertainment, it’s awful. They talk about Bigfoot, aliens, serial killers that don’t exist, and use stock footage. This guy is so respectful of the victims and their families in telling their stories, and uses his own beautiful drawings.
Just because you think those don't exist doesn't make it true. 🙄
The most sensitive, sensible, capable, intellectual missing persons investigator on TH-cam. Thanks for all you do for these cases and keep it up, the world needs more honest and decent people like you in media
It's not often I hear youtubers talking about MMIW so thank you for bringing attention to it
There isn't much that this channel doesn't supply. I find it awesome that among the videos, that you clearly work hard on, there is a great voice to tell the stories within. Serious, but varied enough so it's easy to listen to. I'll leave this here in the event you see it. Thanks for your hard work.
The fact that Jackie found Selena's purse at the foot of a bed with blood on the bedding screams foul play. This injustice must be rectified and culprits brought to bare responsibility for their actions. May the Lord have mercy on Selena's soul and give comfort to her loved ones in their grieving. Thanks Nick for your awesome work.
You really believe what this aunt who tells a story like a scatterbrained child says?
Some bleeding during sex isn't exactly uncommon either. She was clearly getting railed
The autopsy did not reveal any major injuries to Selena's body so it is unlikely the blood was from Selena. Unless it was from a nose bleed or other non-injury source.
@@chriss3276 the first autopsy. Look at the second one
Can you post a link to that second autopsy please?
Thank you for wearing MMIW sweater & also for covering a case involving an indigenous person.
My husband was murdered on a reservation & it's gone unsolved for over 13yrs.
damn dude, i found your channel a few days ago and watched a whole bunch of episodes, now i cant sleep.
Awesome! Great job Missing Enigma! This is by far one of the best missing persons channel. This is truly a topic that needs to be covered more and more resources by police agencies included. Because there truly comes a time when you’ve gotta ask yourself with MMIW being such a huge and horrible problem going on in Canada especially that you’ve gotta truly ask yourself if the police agencies are involved or just don’t care?
Always an excellent program. The interview with the aunt, was amazing, and shed so much light on significant details. Not sure how often these premiere on youtube, but I was REALLY starting to miss Nick. But, you can tell he puts so much time into extensive research.
You really are a talented investigative journalist. Thank you foe shining some light on this case.
Thanks for caring and giving exposure to missing indigenous women on any level. You're right about the stats being murky in the US. But it's clear that somehow somewhere these women are basically seen as throwaway or invisible especially if they had a difficult life like Selena did
The term is “less dead” prostitutes and indigenous people aren’t nearly as high of a priority as a “good” middle class white girl going missing or getting murdered. The police just don’t give a crap so often. Sometimes the police themselves are taking part in that abuse of them like it’s some sort of game. It’s so disgusting
This level of narration and story-telling is unmatched on youtube. I honestly think you are a modern Rod Serling
The same can’t be said about the aunt who tells a story like a scatterbrained child
@@LiveFreeOrDie2A drugs man, too prevalent in those communities
@@Arcueid_Brunestud it's not their fault man
4:00 in and this is already the saddest story I’ve heard in a very long time.
I've traveled that stretch of I90 a quite a few times.. whole area has an eerie feeling to it.. those reservations are far & above the saddest places I've ever been
Honestly, the thought that the entire search and investigation was based on the word of these flaky-sounding people in the van crossed my mind even before Ms. Horn started speaking. I can’t even imagine how frustrated her family must be. Thank you for giving them another outlet to raise their voices.
I so love this channel's rational and empirical approach to these stories.
Wow. That is so sad. I hope the truth comes out even if it’s straightforward. Withholding the information like that is awful. Thank you for all you do. The interview was so valuable.
This is one of those channels as soon as I get the upload notification I hit play.
I feel for Selena. Excellent work on your part. It's frustrating to deal with the roadblocks and inconsistencies from various agencies. It's amazing how you piece things together. Thank you.
I gain more respect for you as a person with every video. Thank you for caring about the families of missing people, having empathy and not turning these tragic events into sensational entertainment
Always love a new video from The Missing Enigma! I find myself checking for any new videos at least a couple of times a week usually. These videos are that good - and I understand the production time is extensive, but thank you for all that you do! You're the best channel out there in the mystery and missing community, hands down. Keep up the fantastic work!
There are so many questions not asked or unanswered. For example, if Selena was so closely watched and her daily movements were heavily supervised by her mother, why didn't her mother return to the house, after she was done at the casino, to pick up her daughter? Even if her mother was gone longer than an hour, why not return to the house that evening to pick up her daughter? Were there text messages or phone calls between Selena and her mother that evening? Why would the mother go home and not check on her daughter until the next day when the aunt called? Did police search the house in question? Why did only one person get charged with child endangerment when the man living at the house was also an adult? Just so many questions that could bring forward more details to this case. Possibly why the case remains open. I hope the family hires a good attorney outside of their community to get records subpoenaed and help them get some solid answers. God bless.
seems like a cover up with a lot of generational trauma.
Yeah, the aunt's story sounds like bullshit. The mom dumped this kid at a friends house so she could go gambling.
She lied.
Goodness, that poor family. Excellent job putting together a narrative for this case.
Appreciate the nuance that you use when stating unreliable statistics and facts.
The cl0wns in legacy media could learn much about journalism from you.
Looking forward to this
I always look forward to your videos. It's nice to see someone with logic and common sense instead of conspiracy theories.
Thank you for bringing light to the mmiw...just recently here in NM they cut the search for missing women
No more MMIWG! Canadian Anishinaabe women here 🇨🇦 and big fan of your channel. Thank you for covering this. Keep up the great work!
The algorithm finally fed me one of your videos a few days ago, and I'm darn glad it did after the handful that I've watched. This one has always been haunting and awful to me; your diligence and objectivity to the potential ways this might have actually played out is seriously endearing. One of the easiest subs ever.
I don't know if I missed it but what was the guy and allegedly Selena arguing about? I am assuming all cell phone records where checked etc? No doubt more than likely in the investigation records mentioned. What a multitude of tragedy this family has endured. This one is indeed an enigma.
There's nothing mentioned as to what they're arguing about, but if i had to wildly speculate, it might have been about the van breaking down or the fact they passed where she wanted to be dropped off at without dropping her. which might have encouraged Selena to walk off, is she thought these boys weren't going to help her get home. They also could have been arguing about the alleged goading to fight with another girl as mentioned in a witnesses' facebook post. All speculation, but seems reasonable to me.
Since the guy’s whereabouts are accounted for and he can’t be present with her since he left to a different town, I doubt anybody cares about the argument.
@@myujmes maybe she actually wanted to be dropped of in Harden? because she went to school there?
I just recently found your channel. I love camping and although old in comparison it's still a summer activity for my family. We tent camp and sometimes find Forest roads that allow dispersed camping. We live in Seattle. You're really thoughtful and obviously thorough in every investigation. Thanks for letting us experience these cases through a closer "lens" than the media.
Awesome as always thanks for covering these cases
Such a sad story. All of these videos do a good job of showing us how little we know about cases from the media.
As someone who comes from a state where native women vanish so often I really appreciate you taking the time to share this story and giving a voice to people who need it :)
Why do they vanish, who's behind this?
@@Little_Sidhe Their own community.
Thank you for doing real work and not just building a brand off the suffering of others like 90% of true crime TH-cam. I’m lookin at you (literally pick any name)
After reading/hearing about so many missing persons cases over the years, I simply have great reservations about the quality of search and rescue personnel. I mean, these are just people. Warm bodies with eyes that MIGHT spot something. They're worried about being hungry and tired and getting back home in time for work. Their hearts are in the right place, but what kind of training do they really have? So many cases talk about how searchers went through the area. Well, they obviously were not properly trained or focused enough to find. It's not something that just anyone can go do.
When walking in a line to cover a large area people tend to drift toward one another and cluster. Especially when it is untrained people who are unsupervised. Afterwards, everyone insists they didn't.
You need to make more videos bud, I love watching yours while relaxing and falling asleep, in a good way, your investigating and attention to detail to each one must take a lot of work
As a Native woman , Miigwetch (thank you) We need more videos spreading awareness. ❤
Stay safe ❤
Thank you for sharing this story! It’s very important to talk about missing and murdered indigenous women.
Your channel is fire. Keep it up
Interview with her aunt was great! So glad she spoke with you! Doesn't sound like we've gotten all the info. Healing Vibes 💖 for her family
Incredible video as always. Feel like the true crime scene is full of people who care more about a fantastical story rather than the truth.
I really appreciate the effort you put into your videos.
you don't only care for views but for the people you're making the video about.
Very unfortunate case. Thanks for your diligence in all the cases you do videos on.
This channel, consistent, thorough and the unique artwork.... fantastic
Thank You
She definitely wasn’t there, they dropped her body off later. She was never at the rest stop, something bad happened at that house and her Aunt is a better detective than the county police and the sheriff.
AND YOU ARE THE OWNER OF THE WORST TH-cam COMMENT OF ALL TIME. CONGRATS
@@myCOCKisHARD
Thanks bud! I like granola
Btw been a subscriber for almost 2 years now and you never fail to amaze me one of the best channels on TH-cam.
The police obviously botched this, but I think both explanations are possible.
If she started drinking again to similar levels as the other girl in the car, then the logic of “why would she walk into the wilderness??” just doesn’t apply. I know firsthand that I’m one of those drunks who Irish-goodbyes and one time in college I walked all the way through a park surrounding a local reservoir without a coat in November to get home ~3miles distance from the bar I was at. There was no logic to it, and coming out unscathed was nothing but dumb luck. Was there frost covering Selena? Was she wearing grey/brown/black or otherwise landscape-colored clothing that may have disguised her among the sagebrush? Could the frost have masked the canines ability to search? (are there error rate studies for canines in cold weather or snowy/frosty environments?)
The case for foul play also seems compelling. Mainly, why did the investigators quickly suspect Selena may never have been at the rest stop? Where did the blood in the bedroom that her purse was found go, and why wasn’t it sampled and tested? Were the kids ever questioned separately for their statements? What did they say was the reason for the argument captured on the Snapchat? Did Selena’s cell ever ping to location of the rest stop? If her autopsy did not have high blood-alcohol content, then did she ever try calling 911? When did the autopsy determine her time of death happened? Was it New Years Day or later? Did the police ever request a warrant for cellular/text records between the kids in the van? If they didn’t, why not after they suspected she was never at the rest stop? Why would they not investigate the communication between witnesses of a mysterious disappearance? They could have been communicating to get their stories straight and even coordinate dumping her body later. Was the van ever looked at to determine it really “broke down” at the rest stop (convenient, it seems?) and what the kids did to “fix it” on their own? Like, did they even have tools with them? The public isn’t entitled to an account of the policework of an active investigation, but the FBI owes it to her family to step in and investigate if this basic level of police-work was completed or not and offer the public some reassurance if there has been a proper or improper investigation, if they continue to refuse talking about it themselves.
Thanks for covering this story! I vote for you visiting in January to document what the conditions and landscape looked like at the time of her disappearance, to better understand the conditions the search and rescue we’re dealing with.
I think the most likely case for foul play is if she was compelled to flee, if she was assaulted or made to feel unsafe.
@@MrBombastic302 yep, that’s another theory and could explain their apathy to search for her. If they assaulted her and she ran into the wilderness to avoid them (+avoid the highway where they could find her), then they wouldn’t exactly be compelled to join the search party. Cos then if they found her alive, she’d just point police to them and say what they did to her.
A question I have is what direction was her body pointing in? There didn't seem to be any of her foot prints (but according to the aunt, everyone else's). Just because she was found a mile from the rest stop doesn't mean she only made it a mile. She could have walked quite a distance, realized her mistake, and turned back toward the rest stop.
Her hands were purple and lips a little purple. No other damage for 20 days in the elements. Crappy investigators with county and operation lady justice!
"The FBI is not welcome here"
- Tribal police.
Just finished watching a few of your stories now. The level of reporting is excellent.
It seems fairly cut and dry regarding cause of death. It's hard to argue otherwise, given the circumstances. Though, what makes this case ever more perplexing is the abundant amount of speculation and hearsay testimonies regarding the people involved. What's just as strange is the case being considered open? Why won't law enforcement release the records? Could there be more to this story? Do we know who is telling the truth and who isn't? What ever came of the blood test results regarding the one girl who was with Selena at the rest area? I think this case deserves a follow-up. What's troubling is just how flawed the investigative and judicial process is regarding this particular case. Hopefully one day, we have answers to these questions.
This whole situation wreaks to high heaven. This poor family...
Great work as always. Hopefully Selena gets the justice she deserves.
Hands down the best thorough investigator/podcaster regarding missing people. Keep up the fight & keep pushing.
Very strange case. Very sad. That poor young woman.
How did the drone with FLIR not pick up Her heat signature ... unbelievable
I remember when she was first reported missing, the weather in that area was unbearable. I remember thinking, how could somebody just walk out in it not properly dressed. Didn't make sense. She wouldn't have survived the night.
This channel is great, no over speculating and misleading scenarios. Just facts and informed thoughts with respect to all involved who deserve it. Thank you Nick.
Hi. Canadian here. One of the reasons why the rates are so lopsided, is due to the intentional self segregation that happens. The laws are kinda blurry with the indigenous people who have their own communities. Some literally don't let cops into them. It causes a lot of friction and makes everything take longer. When someone goes missing, time is super important, but people don't trust the cops, so they might not talk to them at all, or their evasiveness can create false leads. It's not a new issue.
So, I have questions. Why was the other girl hiding in a ditch? If she was hiding, does that not imply that there was something to be scared of? Wouldn't it then be safe to assume that Selena was running away from something, as opposed to just walking into the desert?
@@NemFX *high plains, not a desert. Very different terrain.
@@NemFX Ever been on the side of a highway, stranded, or waiting? People head towards a ditch to get out of the wind.
@@deerichardz That depends on the ditch and I suspect that most people think of a ditch being something relatively shallow and muddy so it is reasonable to ask.
@@mpmansell It also depends if you are stuck on the definition of a 'ditch' and your 'suspicions'. Seriously, people head away from the road, towards a ditch, to get out of the wind. As for being 'muddy, in this incident, it was a cool day, cooler weather. The girl was found frozen to the ground, if you recall. And as for the question being reasonable to ask, where, in my comment, do I say it is unreasonable to ask such a question?
Well done, great coverage!
I used to live in this area. It happens so often and nothing is ever done
Great content dood! I hope her family gets justice for this tragedy... my prayers are with you.
I never post comments on the videos I watch but I just wanted to this opportunity to tell you that I always look forward to your videos & I really appreciate the time & effort that you put into the content you release!! You can tell that you actually care about the people involved in the stories & not the more sensational aspects of the cases! Thanks for all your hard work & time! Keep up all the good work & I am always looking forward to the next one!!!! 👍✌️
So much tragedy for anyone, let alone one family. I can not imagine the heartache this family is experiencing.
Incredible attention to detail of covering this case and the corruption of the local authorities.
Thank you for reporting on the cases that pop up on the rez, I remember the worst case I heard of was in shiprock,NM. A Pair of siblings were kidnapped by a man and taken out into the desert, one of them was r***ed and while that happened the other escaped and was able to either walk back to town or got picked up and the highway going south out of shiprock. Either way by the time the police made it back the man killed himself and the other kid, but I remember when this made news around the town while I was young, I eventually was able to leave the rez eventually but I never heard of it being talked about anywhere else.
Never a bad day when Missing Enigma posts a new video.