A Strange Object Detected at Solar System's Edge
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.พ. 2023
- Astronomers have made a strange discovery near the edge of the solar system. They have discovered rings around a dwarf planet named Quaoar. Here’s why scientists are stunned. A planet’s rings reside within its Roche limit. It’s the distance within which its gravitational forces rip apart moons and other celestial bodies.
Rings outside this limit gradually merge to create moons within a few decades. But in the case of Quaoar, its rings orbit it at a distance of 4100 km or about 2550 miles from its center. That’s about four times its diameter and significantly further than Quaoar’s Roche limit. So this discovery has challenged our notion that rings can only exist inside the Roche limit. This shows there’s a lot to be discovered within the solar system. And some discoveries could challenge our understanding of the laws of physics. - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
I'm going to start telling people they better stay outside my Roche Limit
😂😂😂😂 i’m totally stealing that one and start using it immediately
Same here lol
Yep
So... You're looking to sound not just stupid but extra stupid? 🤣
😂😂😂
it's strange that as we establish a law to understand space it comes out with something interesting to challenge the law
That's how science works. Human lives are too short compared to universe. So if a temporary law is good for predictions and measurements for 50-100 years, it's good enough. On to the next generations to improve the laws.
Ahahaha! We are in a simulation!! 😅
truth is we don't know shit
Yes. Proverbs 25 vs. 2
@@MetalCharlo Bunk.
We know a lot and we continue learning.
Do at least try to keep up.
The Roche limit is more a function of the gravity related to an object, rather than just size. Maybe that little rock is a lot denser and has a more powerful gravity as a result.
Obvious conclusion. I don’t understand why that wasn’t the immediate assumption.
I wonder why though😂. That small rock has such high density that too in a region where kost objects are just dusty rocks.
Exactly!
That said, maybe there are other ways that they can make inferences about the planet's density, angular velocity, and subsequent gravitational pull?
*shrug* I'm not a physics guy.
That's what I was thinking to
@@nirbhay_raghavwell, consider how much gravitational pull our own star has. They just passed the limit into “interstellar” space, but that took decades of force by our satellites. The gravitational pull of objects are not simply based on size. For example, a piece of iron doesn’t have nearly as much gravitational pull as a piece of solid uranium or plutonium.
"I know that I know nothing."
Socrates 🤔
All scientific discoveries we've ever made came from very educated and/or smart people being able to say "I don't know" with full confidence and use it as motivation to find new answers.
It's the most powerful scientific tool for humanity. We can rebuild anything given enough time and effort, as long as we're able to own our lack of knowledge.
That's something though
So how do these smart dummies know the name of that planet or where the edge of the solar system is let em keep on playing they gone get what they not looking for & it's not going to be nothing nice!!!
Sgt. Shultz said it first!
Have you ever heard about the dreams of Muhammad Qasim from Pakistan. In his dreams he was shown to be a leader in Pakistan. Some ordinary Muslims from various nations around the world also had a dream that this Qasim is Imam Mahdi. What do you think about this news?
Sometimes once we get comfortable with believing a theory is truth we find out it is still just a theory.
Exactly
Just a reminder, it is still 'the theory of evolution'. LOL
@Daniel Wilkinson There is much that is taught as proven, I have had many people argue with me that evolution has been proven. It gets into a heated conversation.
@@shogunate2022 A theory is not “just a theory”. That would be a hypotheses. A theory is a model within nature science that is structured around ideas that have already been firmly established. If anything counters that model it doesn’t necessarily mean the whole model crumbles, but it must nevertheless be explained why it is happening, such as the example in this vid. The Theory Of Evolution has been firmly established as fact and has never been proven false. On the other hand, there’s not a single thing that has ever counted in favour of Intelligent Design
@@danielwilkinson1024 explain why we're able to see things today continue to evolve and adapt hence the theory of evolution. The only real question is how did life began and why is there something instead of absolutely nothing.
“There is a theory that, for once someone figures out the meaning of the universe, it will be replaced instantly with something even more incomprehensible.
There is another theory that this has already happened.” - Douglas Adams, Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
The answer is 42.
nah Billy Meier has that covered
Ah, yes. I know what you mean. 🐁🐁
Those who study the complex interplay of cause, and effect, throughout the universe, say that this sort of thing is happening, all of the time.
Peace! Cheers! 🍻 🎶🌎❤🐬✨✌
Which has nothing to do with this short at all.
Love you for that
Wow. Surprised to see a science video that ISN'T clickbait. Challenging the Roche Limit is pretty heavy!
Not really...science continually challenges such theories 🤷🏻♂️ we know next to nothing about the universe, let's be honest, we just make educated guesses at best...hence the fact "known" science is forever being challenged.
@@tude17 love it
@@tude17that’s why I love science, it’s never just an all knowing fact machine, it’s people just trying their hardest to understand what’s going on
What occurs to me, is they keep saying that according to gravity, 80% of the universe is missing. But in just these past 40 years we’ve discovered that the Solar System is astronomically bigger than we thought, now we’re finding planets beyond the Ort Cloud? The known weight of our solar system has increased 10 fold in these past 40 to 50 years, so are they so sure their estimates of the weight of galaxies is correct?
@@alphagt62
"To me it looks like they change their minds a lot, so they don't know what they're talking about, but I do because I'm smarter than them."
This is you. This is how you sound.
Quaor: rings where you going?
Rings: ...
I like how they’re called laws until they’re not
Exactly 🙄
pseudoscience much
Could just be miscalculations
@@clebruckus9421 sorry but the earth's not flat bro
@@nickbisson8243 ok then please present any scientific evidence that earth moves at all,and any measurable curvature ill wait 😀. ps its not flat it has hills
mountains and valleys but on the whole we navigate on a plane of equal altitude ,no planes of equal altitude on a sphere ,no horizontals on a sphere .Fairy tale heliocentrism
They see that but can’t tell me if it’ll rain tomorrow.
Lol
Right
They can actually
Yep. Is this going to fix the road right in front of your house?
Telling you about weather is job of overpaid people, not underpaid scientists
I'm glad to a certain extent that i live in a time where I had this question came to my mind "which solar system?" when this video said "near the edge of the solar system"
Smart people already know they better stay outside my Roche Limit .
The most likely solution to the dilemma is that the rings are relatively recent and have not had time to coalesce into an orbiting body
yeah, they said these rings coalesce into moons after a few decades, assuming that planet is at most 1-2 light year away since its said its on the edge of the solar system which is the Oort cloud, that means we need further observations.
My thought exactly. But everyone seem to prefer wildin about it.
Its also possible there is a yet unidentified gravitational field (aka another large asteroid or small planetoid) near by that is preventing the ring from collapsing into a solid structure.
That or the dwarf is very dense.
It also could be that the fact it’s a dwarf planet- maybe it doesn’t have enough gravitational pull to form moons because of it’s size. It could very well be that much smaller bodies like this planet don’t have the mass to create enough gravitational pull to form moons.
It’s entirely possible that the ring system around Quaoar is relatively young and has not yet had enough time to spread out and be disrupted by tidal forces. Another possibility is that there is a small moon or other object in orbit around Quaoar that is helping to stabilize the ring system.
It is also worth noting that our understanding of the Roche limit is based on theoretical models and simplified assumptions about the structure and dynamics of celestial bodies. The actual behavior of ring systems and satellites may be more complex and dependent on a variety of factors, such as the composition and internal structure of the bodies involved.
How do they determine the mass of the little planet.
@flatsix8220..💀..Nicely stated.., BRAVO.. 👏 !!
NASA called, they offered me a job holding a sign that says "will work for space nuts" to boost morale. I think imma do it..
With that exact math and that CGI it must be true .
@@plasmaconversion by the gravitational impact they have on other cosmic objects
Thanks for translating km into miles, I find so many videos where people aren't willing to do that or just don't don't... Now I can understand how far away those rings are and what kind of impact it has
The Roche point is a function of an object’s density. Quaoar’s know moon, Waywot appears to be orbiting at an acceptable distance and maybe a contributing factor.
It should be noted that Roache limits are not constants; they depend on the mass of two objects, not just the mass of one. For example, the earth does not have a Roache limit, but the Earth-Moon system does.
It's more of stupid people thinking they van be explained something extremely detailed within a tiktok. This instant media is making the already ignorant people terminally ignorant.
That's common sense for someone who knows basics of gravity
@@anthonyzullo i agree
Thank you! What the narrator said didn't seem right.
I just posted a similar response, but I've also included the lack of external influences
We think we know more than we really do
Socrates would disagree and agree at the same time
We know that we don't know everything in fact.
That's why we continue to do research.
@@abelis644 Gotta stay curious. The humanity changing impacts of such research cannot be overstated.
It called the Dunning-Kruger effect. Knowing something does not mean you know everything.
and I find it funny that every single time the scientist comes on this is the method this is what it's to believe this is what it is we have evidence of the night very next day oh we made a new discovery yet you guys can't f****** tell Tomorrow's f****** weather barely these days you guys can't tell the woman from a man so I will no longer believe any motherfuking thing you guys say
That footage is incredible!
I love the funny names the eggheads come up with. Dont mess with Quequays roaches.
As its said, there is a possibility of LITERALLY EVERYTHING you can think of
Oh I can think of a lot of things lol
Yup
Depends on the density of the base object, denser-stronger gravity field
That's precisely what I was thinking... Perhaps the dwarf planet isn't a planet after all... Maybe it's a brown dwarf, which would obviously extend the Roche Limit. Then again, I'm quite sure scientists could distinguish s small planet from a dead star, so my example is flawed, but hopefully the gist of my thought process is understood.
@@grumpus_hominidae 💀
@@grumpus_hominidae it’s also entirely possible that it consists of an element we have yet to encounter that is way more dense than we can imagine.
@@grumpus_hominidae a brown dwarf is a failed star. It still is several times larger and more massive than jupiter. What you are thinking of is a black dwarf. However, it can't be a black dwarf either, as a black dwarf of this size would be about as massive as the sun. (Also black dwarfs don't even exist yet, as they are the result of white dwarfs cooling down. A process which takes trillions of years.
@@matthewhummel1572 it very much isn't. All natural elements have been discovered already. There most certainly aren't any unknown elements that would be stable for millions or billions of years. And if there's a whole dwarfplanet made out of this stuff out there, why isn't this mater found anywhere else in the universe.
I once gradually merged like 12 blunt roaches together into a new blunt.... or until I reached the Roach limit
Hits generation blunt.. scientists are stunned finding there is in fact a roache limit to my Gelato this jus changed my understanding of the laws of physics 🤯
these dwarf planets are just as interesting and important as all of the planets .. we need to know more about quaoror
“QWAUWOW”
bro lost all his braincells in 2 seconds
edit: this is the most likes i’ve ever gotten tysm!
Bro shut up, that’s how you pronounce it.
10 year old me saying "queue":
It's probably Super Dense.
bro, i lost all my brain cells too. i read it as Rothschild limit.
The rings of URANUS are beautiful ❤️
What we know how is a drop. What we ignore is an ocean.
Trying to find the end of space is like trying to find the wall of the inside of a blackhole that is too far away that you sit in.
Rochelle limit is just something a human came up with.
Greater knowledge leads to even more questions.
it's entirely possible those rings will eventually coalesce into a moon if they're outside the Roche limit (and for an object with such a low mass & density, it seems unlikely that its Roche limit is even outside its surface)
Who are u
How do you know
But if they were merging we could see them merging but yeah it could be that they are just starting to merge so we cannot detect that yet
Wrong. At this time it's not believed so, actually, it is believed that Weywot agitates the rings and doesn't allow them to coalesce.
Average TH-cam comment:
I love how they didn't name it like some code anymore, yet it's still as hard to say or pronounce
The Roche limit is the orbital radius within which gravitational tidal forces tear apart moons and form rings. This does not prevent a planet from accreting a ring from its surrounding area over time, and there’s no de facto limit on the size of the constituent objects or their orbital radius other than the usual requirement that they be less massive than the planet (lest the planet orbit around one of them instead).
It's quite amazing because a dwarf planet smaller than Moon has a ring
My pants python is smaller than the moon but it has a ring
@@rwfrench66GenX
Mine has its own moon
@@tvtothepoint 😂
@@tvtothepoint - mine has two
My bathtub and my toilet have rings
Considering Quaoar itself was discovered only two decades ago, and we know it takes a few to an out-of-bounds set of rings to coalesce into a moon, what if we're seeing Quaoar with rings only because we unintentionally had impeccable timing?
I would say that there is probably a moon in orbit keeping the rings in place, like a shepherd moon or one adding material to it to keep it going. Either that, or the rings are a recent feature and won't last very long.
So little we know and so much to learn.😊
There’s never a roach limit 🤤 🌱
Unless it is likely that the body that created that ring was hit by something else, knocking it away while the ring has not yet dispersed due to it's already locked rotation.
Or something else passed nearby and disrupted the accretion of any major moon, preserving the ring.
I think we don't know the Roche limit on that drawf planet and we got a shock that the Roche limit is farther than expected of a smaller planet
@@narutohuntmendemon6354
Perhaps there just hasn't been enough time for the ring to form into a moon.
I'd guess this kind of thing would take a long time.
It has a single small moon that may be disrupting the consolidation of another moon.
I like your idea. Maybe some day we will know.
Quaoar is a trans-Neptunian object located in the Kuiper Belt, a region of the outer Solar System beyond Neptune. It's considered a dwarf planet and was discovered in 2002. Quaoar is about 1,100 kilometers (680 miles) in diameter and is one of the largest known objects in the Kuiper Belt. Its discovery contributed to our understanding of the icy bodies present in the outer reaches of our Solar System.
Every concepts are still remain wrong until you observe the whole universe 💀
This is because we don't understand the laws of physics. Mankind assumes they know the laws and its limits.
Scientists assume no such thing.
We know that things we know today can and likely will be built upon with new technologies and bright minds.
And yes, we do understand many law of physics.
Imagine if humans had taken that attitude you convey. We never would have learned anything about the universe
@@abelis644 98% of all scientists disagree with you.
I would say assumptions play a big part in science, that’s how science progresses is off assumptions and hypothesis. Also a lot of theoretical science is based of assuming one principle is true and therefore stating this is how things would act. Then other scientist try challenging that by proving the assumption either wrong or correct
It would depend greatly on the size of the objects and their composition. They have their own gravity to account for.
It would be odd if the planets core, creating a reverse gravity field. Like 2 magnet with opposing polarities. Instead of drawing in material, it expels it.
@@dna3930 What would be really odd is if any notable percentage of morons in TH-cam had a clue
I keep telling people we've got to study the rings around Uranus closer, and I keep getting handed restraining orders for some reason. I don't think the world at large is ready for scienctific discussion.
The Roche guy crying in the corner 😢😢
Or, despite its size it’s super dense. The heart of Tiamat is said to have been sent to the Oort Cloud.
I too, was thinking along those lines...
It's possible to have a very high iron content? I believe that would extend its gravity pull?
@@bjjthaiboxing probably lead not iron if it were iron I don't think it would have the density. I was thinking maybe it's some alloy of iron and tungsten although it's likely just made of ice and rock.
@@bjjthaiboxing
Agreed. Iron would be a good choice, but ordinary chondrite is also quite dense and often contains some iron as well.
@@tvtothepoint
Thank you for your input!
@@ryanolson3999
If it's tungsten? We need find a way to harvest it!
I imagine NASA and some of the boys from the billionaires Club, companies has been working doing things of this nature?
Competing for being the richest guy on the planet just isn't enough for them anymore? Now they want to be the richest guy on all the planets!
Another day, another discovery!! This is a great time to be alive!
Could be because the astroid is hyper dense. Possibly beyond our detection.
J1407B with an evil laugh enters💀
In other words, this is yet ANOTHER thing in physics which we thought we understood, but which we obviously didn't.
That's why it's called science.
That's what Science is about.
We assume our gravity and physics are universal, when clearly they are not.
Now heres a plot twist; "What if physics dont actually exist?" 🤔🤪
I absolutely love it when things come into light that change the way we perceive and understand things!
Iq7u8
Literally, once you think you have seen it all...
Life : "Hold my beer..."
I think we don't know the Roche limit on that drawf planet and we got a shock that the Roche limit is farther than expected of a smaller planet
@@nekkoskrilla6750this is how life works, always has
Good catch.
It is worthy to note that *Deception* can only exist within the realm of *Perception.*
Truth is absolute, or it's false by its very definition (dilution).
Therefore truth ALWAYS prevails in the end, but in the meantime, so few perceive of it. (truth is rarely tolerated).
I submit that perception is part of the curse, a consequence of the fall of mankind. We no longer have direct access to the truth, we now have to perceive of it the best we can, and that's where deception has its way with us. 😬
Jussed sayin' 😶
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The more I study to know I realise I know nothing about this universe.
That dwarf planet must be extremely heavy
Hahaha, I love when something about nature surprises me in good ways. It keeps our love affair fresh and fabulous.
The fact that we think we know anything about what we can't see, or touch is incredible to me. The hubris.
We do know many things about things we cannot see or touch.
Can you see or touch electricity for example?
Yet it pretty much runs your life.
I’m always surprised when “experts” are surprised about everything in space. They know nothing.
The more we dig deeper, here at home, on earth, we realise we were wrong about many things in history. And we realise the same, the more we push further out in to our universe. Conclusion: we know very little; very, very little...
bro really said nah to the laws of physics 💀
Penguin • 🐧• what is quaoar's favourite movie? 🍿🎥
Lord of the Rings 👑💍
I'd be interested to see if it forms into a moon in the next few decades then. Maybe it's only there because it's recent?
That's what I was thinking
* hundreds of decades
@@aadilmomin2485I was just going off what the video said.
I heard that too! that Debris will form a
Moon in a Decade... I call BS on that!🤬
That’s not possible but sure😂
I love this! Finally something that proves astronomers and physicists shouldn’t state the laws of physics as absolute because they don’t know. There’s a vast Universe and Cosmos. Unfathomably complex. 💫
Next: "Scientists have found a new annoying dog variant, named CHIHUAHUA."
Me: 🤣 🤣 🤣
Amazing what you discover when you’re not limited by naturalistic biases 👍🏻
Never say it anywhere close to particle physicists. They will try at least try to hit you with chair.
Not bias only information based off of literally everything they had learned up until that point. Bias is a belief and as a scientist you cannot have beliefs
@@n0body550 there is low % of scientists that have no biases. The bigger one is green with $ signs on it.
@@korinogaro Thats just plain wrong.
@@n0body550 yes, such behaviour is plain wrong. But this is sad reality. People want to keep their jobs and some have even ambitions to be known in the world. From that road is short to ignoring mismatching data or interpreting data in certain, not objective way.
The universe doesn't owe us humans any explanations.....things happen that we will never explain
Who said it does???
@Abelis 🇺🇦 the ones who slate others who believe in a god. They feel superior because of there knowledge and findings of the universe only for their beliefs to be shattered when they find something new that goes beyond what us humans can comprehend. People with religion already know not everything in the universe will be explainable to humans but the ones who dont believe and only believe in what they see dont hesitate to ridicule the ones who do
They really do be throwing random-ass letters and naming planets like such
The more you learn, the less we know
This would be a perfect target for jwst. Perhaps quaoar isn't an icy comet like dwarf planet after all, with a much denser gravity well than previously imagined.
Or, perhaps in the depths of the frozen outskirts of the Solar System, tiny influences on electrons and protons show their own unique properties; not unlike a Bose condensate.
@@cordongrouch9323 I like this theory also.
Actually, your idea is probably best, now that I have thought more about it.
A steeper gravity well would extend the Roche limit.
But these are nearly microgravity environments; if you were to sneeze you would probably be ejected into orbit yourself.
We still have much to learn.
@@cordongrouch9323 how would a fart get me? Sorry had to after you said sneeze🤣
More gravity would also mean that objects in the rings would need to move much faster than they do to stay in orbit, making this theory very much wrong. If you know how far away the rings are and you know how fast they orbit, you can calculate the dwarfplanets mass.
I Just wish i could travel to the future to see how many questions we have answeared..the way things look....this planet is gonna die before we start walking...
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True
You'll know soon enough when you pass.
I like your statement, "I just wish I could travel to the future to see how many questions we have answered..the way things look..."
@@HandMade715
There is no afterlife.
This life is all you get.
Live now.
Those rings of rocks orbiting a planet were like little "moons" between the perigee and apogee
This is so obvious. Obviously any event in intensity or mass (both which relate) can shrink or expand the gravitational boundary.
ah yes. a particular rock's descendant. if you know you know.
Let me know lol
I love this stuff! Learn more n more as we go along👍
We discovered this in deep space, now we know how to make bananas go the speed of light
It's strange we can't get out the firmament but we got all this extra information about extra planets
That is why scientists shouldn't propagate absolute certainties as it makes them no different than a Viking being absolute certain on Thor's existence.
Thor may exist, but it has been observed that lightning during thunderstorms happen mostly and evidently because of electrostatic discharge from the clouds, so it comes as a more reasonably certain theory than Thor whose existence is not apparent.
Nature has always been uncertain, and we shouldn't be cocksure about anything or anyone other than the evident uncertainty and human foolishness itself.
Like the "scientific" definition of planet... It's been hailed as unquestionable truth by many, yet we've only started to fully understand the true nature of our Solar System and others beyond it. The universe is a magnificent and unfathomable canvas where specific human concepts sometimes just fall short.
I would think this would totally be feasible and it would have everything to do with the mass gravity ratio of the planet versus the mass gravity ratio of the material in which the rings themselves are mostly made of like a certain material would have more resistance and be able to exist further out.
Yeah but only they are the “experts“
@@AaronEmerald bruh they are this theory is bs
Like what? Styrofoam? Why would this ring be made entirely out of some material that isn't found anywhere else in the universe in this amount? The rings are most certainly made out of either rock or ice. As for the dwarfplanet itselfe, since we know how far away the rings are and how fast they orbit, we are very much aware of the dwarfplanets mass, gravity and density.
The diameter is irrelevant. The deciding factor is the mass of Quaoar. The heavier the object, the further out the roache limit from the centre of mass. This just means that Quaoar must be dense and made up of heavy materials stopping the formation of a moon.
Turns out Quoars moon makes the rings resonate at the perfect amount to stop the rings from forming into moons, there were most likely bigger rings before, but only the resonating part sirvuved
Once you understand that it takes a law giver to establish laws of anything, then you’ll know HE does what HE wants with HIS creation.
Agreed, all other so called law givers are usurpers and frauds, as are their evangelists...the scientists.
Welcome to EL
And GOD’s “imagination” is far greater than we can comprehend!
Got nothing to do with your god crap. Grow up and go get a education
That was informative short of knowledge and that we need ...
according to me this best channel to know about universe quark of time...
I got excited thinking they found a Mass Effect relay
Scientists : Yes we can explain a LOT about the Universe now
God : "Oh Really !"
we are definitely not the only planet out there with life
Life... Don't speak to Me of Life!!!
@@wilneal8015
Prove it !
They have to understand that the laws of our system doesn't apply to other systems. Everything is different other places, so the laws are changed. Open your mind.
Your video ends with a soothing sound I could sleep to that
This just shows that the universe doesn’t care about our math and science. We haven’t even scratched the surface of real science.
Since it was just discovered, couldnt you argue that its moon formation / ring destruction just hasnt happened yet? Ya know, since it takes decades...
Could be that the little planet Quaoar is made of SUPER dense matter too
Maybe they’re fresh rings that will soon condense ??
We also know that density can effect gravitational pull. Maybe we just dont understand how dense objects in space can truly be.
I don't want to hear anything about "another planet" in the solar system until Pluto is given its title back.
Far as I'm concerned, it is a planet. And always will be.
Physics: Back in line...
Day by day, the commonsense of astronomy is superscripted.
I wonder how everybody now a days becomes a space travel blogger... They see something and try to convince us with the movie clips.. 😂
Maybe Quaoar is a really dense planet, thus extending its Roache limit.
Craziest part is that we keep discovering things that change a shitload of our theories, another proof we have no clue wtf is out there and how the universe works
The planet is highly dense thats why it happened
There might be something surprising about Quaoar's composition, giving it a wider Roche limit than we think it should have.
It could also mean that there's an unidentified gravitational anomaly residing inside this dwarf planet.