How to Create a Historically Accurate Stagecoach Expressman in Red Dead Online
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Today we're looking at express companies (and stagecoach drivers & shotgun messengers) in the American West. For this week's topic I combed through the Library of Congress' newspaper archives from the 1800s. For secondary sources I used John Boessenecker's superb book, 'Shotguns & Stagecoaches: The Brave men who rode for Wells Fargo in the Wild West,' Philip L. Fradkin's 'Stagecoach: Wells Fargo and the American West,' Dr. Robert J. Chandler's 'Images of America’s Wells Fargo,' and James Lynn Bartz’s 'Company Property of Wells, Fargo & Co’s Express, 1852-1918.' For a primary source, I utilized 'Wells, Fargo & Co’s Express: 1882: Instructions for the Use of Agents and Employees Only.' You'll find the link below:
(archive.org/details/wellsfar0...)
About Man vs History: Man vs History is a TH-cam channel that endeavors to combine both education and entertainment, specifically related to history. While the focus of the channel will expand beyond analyzing the historical accuracy of RDO, for the time being, there's still more quality videos to come on the topic. For the past decade I've been history professor at the college level. The knowledge and skills I acquired through my educational journey and profession are put to work in the creation of these videos, allowing me to locate rare primary source materials, analyze them carefully, and coherently deliver the content in an entertaining and educational manner.
For each one I conduct an immense amount of research, scouring American and British archives, books, and scholarly journal articles. Gratefully, my profession also grants me access to a network of historical experts & specialists including authors, university professors, and museum curators. I hope you enjoy the end result!
Music:
Main Track: 'Terrier Waltz' by Nat Keefe with The Bow Ties. Available on TH-cam Audio Library.
Outro Track: 'Si Senorita' by Chris Haugen. Available on TH-cam Audio Library.
Movie Clips:
Ford, J., Wanger, W., Wayne, J., & United Artists Corporation. (1939). Stagecoach. Los Angeles: Walter Wanger for United Artists.
3:10 to Yuma. Burbank, Calif.: Sony Pictures Home Entertainment, 2007.
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The sketches & paintings used in this video are the works of Frederick Remington (1861-1909), and others from the period, and are therefore in the public domain. An artwork falls in to the public domain 70 years after the death of the artist.
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R* hasn't the brains or the creativity to implement any of your suggestions but MY GOD, these are some of the most well thought out ideas/suggestions anyone has ever come up with for this game 👏👏 I would love to play Your RDO 😭😭
Ha! Thanks, Pixel. I appreciate that, partner.
This man's RDO is way better than the R* RDO and like you said I'd love to play it
@@polarshoe5078 I would literally PAY to play his RDO😅
@@polarshoe5078 true, same here
@@ManvsHistory maybe someone should make a server with your ideas using the RedM mod. I’d love to play that.
It’s a good day when Man vs History uploads
Thats true
Facts
Criminally underrated channel
@@titustelesco2870 even rockstar games follows him on twitter
Educational and entertaining.
Funny thing: last night, a bunch of random people and I found some wagons in the Heartlands. So like the sensible people we are, we took the wagons to Saint Denis. We send three people to get three boat: a scout boat, and two of the bigger boats. We all loaded up, and took the goods to Blackwater. Unfortunately, there was an active shootout, so we diverted to Quacker’s Cove, and unloaded. We had a lot of fun “transporting” goods! I’d suggest it if you haven’t tried
11:05 I love how this man drove off a cliff, landed straight on sharp jagged rocks and stones, had the stagecoach crash down on top of him and burst into flames lmao. Looked like something out of Looney Tunes
Ha!
I already know that people will ride around in stagecoaches looking historically accurate giving people rides
Time to blow them up
Yeah it would be awesome. You could upgrade your coach to make it more comfortable for people. Add upgrade options to provide whiskey for passengers or cigars, more aesthetically pleasing interior, seats that raise player cores while they sit in them, 2 to 4 horse carriages for higher speeds, etc.
There's a lot of potential for them to add player interaction.
i kinda feel like this should be in the base game as a legitimate role, like you could transport players or wealthy NPCs and say a criminal organization or posse could track you down and either kidnap the players or NPCs being transported, but the combat would have to be slow-paced if you get me, no lock on, increased recoil on weapons, etc. or you could hire other players to help defend you as a guard, maybe make it a role with ranks like the trader and say when you get max rank you could hire up to 5 guards on horses following your stagecoach and there would be a bandit role or something like that and if you go to attack a stagecoach you would get bandit xp and lose honor, maybe a certain NPC like Anthony Foreman (i forgot his name the guy that tries to kill Tilly Jackson in story mode) or Black Belle, but if you were transporting people, post, etc. you would gain honor and maybe add a fame thing. Honor would be for overall reputation, but say adding a fame mechanic would make you more popular in certain towns than others, and if your ' fame ' gets to a high enough level in a town you would unlock some cosmetics, like boots, a coat, a hat, a new grip, etc. i feel this would add a lot of immersion and just over all a different play style, but we can all hope that rockstar starts to add more thing to red dead online as it would be one of the best games ever made. Amazing work man vs. history, i enjoyed this video as every other video you do on red dead. :) watching your videos always gets me in the right mood to play red dead #savereddeadonline
You right, they need to work on these ideas and the honor system.
They gave up with RDO
@@mojifan4984 its such a shame also, one of the best games i ever played
@@polarshoe5078 I 100% agree with you, rockstar has such a loyal fanbase that is willing to wait aged for good and quality content it confuses me how rockstar would still profer to spoon feed GTA online with update after update while red dead s last ' big 'update was the bloody naturalist update lmao at least that added something unique, I can see red dead being seen unprofitable but rockstar is a multi million dollar company with more than enough money to burn on a game that might die out but ... arrrrr this pisses me off so much how one of the best games made to date is just left out during the storm, if anything in 2020 I would have seen red dead being one of the most popular games during lockdown, you could see lockdown as rockstar not being able to work at full capacity with all systems go, but didnt Cayo perico come out around then? And that was an ok update, anyway I wish you all the best dont give up on red dead just yep dispite the lack of content, something will come I feel it
Don't like this idea...... Because trader and moonshiner is exactly this except different name and cargo.
This would actually be the lazy idea i would expect rockstar to do, bare minimum...
So that's where the phrase "riding shotgun" came from!
Didn't even think of that until I saw your comment, but that suddenly makes so much sense!
@@Yehnsei right?!
….you really only JUST discovered that?
@@noobie1890 Mhm, it's not a super well known fact but it's mighty interesting :)
I thought that term came from the time of Bootleggers in the early 1900s.
I am a Old West re-enactor in my North mountain territory in Arizona. Back in California, I worked for Wells & Fargo’s stagecoach with coach opening up their banks in 1996. To this day I love their coaches. Your video is great very much enjoyed it, especially with outfits.
Whoever liked my reply to this video, thank you.
Ha! That was me, Kenny!
@@ManvsHistory thanks kind of you. I really enjoyed this video, fact I love stagecoaches. There is great movie out there about Pearl Hart female stagecoach robber movie “The women who robbed stagecoach.” Real life in Arizona. I am in it at beginning train station movie by Travis Mills on Prime?
@@KidYuma1880 Ha! That's pretty awesome!
I have an idea for this series how to create a historically Accurate lumberjack
Historical Background: 0:29
Stagecoach Drivers: 7:39
Firearms: 13:01
Outfits: 28:25
Might be More but these are the ones I think there are.
Kinda cool how in story mode you get to ride with a shotgun messenger in a mission when building beecher’s hope ranch.
Love these videos! How to create a historically accurate gambler would be a cool one to see, keep up the amazing work!
Second this
A gambler would be very cool as well as a historically accurate train engineer/ conductor!
gunslinger video as most gunslingers were gamblers and vice versa
I feel like you would fit perfectly in the rp scene of rdr a lot of them already use your videos for inspiration I feel like you can make some great characters
I'm sure I would. I think they're probably my people.
@@ManvsHistory You should try out RedM sometime, if you have the chance. Or maybe play out some RP scenarios with your subscribers on streams, something like that. I think it would be very interesting
Yes come play RedM! I love making RP content!
@@ManvsHistory you should do a play through I’d love it
@@ManvsHistory Oh yeah and a lot of RP servers are probably influenced by your videos. Biggest RDR RP servers I know are PRC and WildRP
If they'd implement ANYTHING this man suggests this game would be...the equivalent of perfection. Love the RDO vids.
Ha! Thanks, partner!
Dang, now I want a movie about a stagecoach driver and shotgun messenger. With all the crazy history around them, I think a talented writer could make an incredible screenplay out of it.
Back when Wells Fargo had a good reputation 😂
how are you commenting 2 hours ago?
@@jpknigh7700 I have the honor of being a gold tier patron and have early access to all his videos. 😊 You can too, for $10 a month! 💖
Would love to see a video of period snake oil and tonics dealers and legit medical practitioners!
I'd love to see a lumberjack or fisherman episode if you're doing more regular jobs, love the videos
I have both outfits on my red dead character 😆
Panning for gold nuggets would be a fun distraction.
A " Pony Express " Role would be also nice in RDO.
Love your videos, I'd love to see a video for historically accurate European Settlers (Texas Germans, for example.)
Irish, Chinese, Germans . . . there is a German family in Rdr2, involved in gold, an I agree w you, it would be interesting to see what brought people like that here, how terrible was Europe lol
@@jg4588 Pretty terrible. War and tyrannical rule ran rampant in Europe then. Think modern europe as a soft step father compared to the real one.
I love these videos, I just to listen to in the background when I'm playing rdr2. I enjoy learning things but I especially like history
I bet if RockStar implemented Man vs. History suggestions it would probably double their users and sales.
I think that detailed sort of role would tempt me to play RDO more than just the occasional login and ride around. Unfortunately I think Rockstar would just have it be a transport mission which alerts everyone in the game session that there's a stage to be robbed....or in other words half arsed.
Oh and almost forgot, another enjoyable video. Thanks.
Great content! Will you ever do historical accurate wealthy outfits for Saint Denis or Blackwater?
I fucking love every part of your expressman idea. R* hire this man.
Ha! Thanks, CJ!
Always happy to see one of your videos pop up in my feed!
Those were some solid suggestions! I really enjoyed the entire video, but naively hadn’t anticipated you providing such a well researched set of scenarios and business schemes for the game. Well done, Man vs History!
This channel is a superb companion to Red Dead Redemption for any and all gamers and historians alike.
Much obliged!
This video showed up in my recommends just a day after I started doing Stagecoach Services in RDO, my first customer was such a joy and she seemed to enjoy my commentary
I don't know how many more ideas you can center videos around but I'm here for all of them!
Yes, I would love to see more of these occupation videos, great video as always man. Good job
That was a wonderful video to watch! I think I like the history lesson more than the game stuff these days, but seeing you and your friends recreate the scenarios in game is invaluable for the authenticity of the video. Rockstar really did amazing work giving us so many detailed props to work with.
Don’t stop making these videos, they’re seriously some of my favorite things to watch after work.
I always love the background music in your videos, you're the best man!
Some ideas that I’ve thought about for historically accurate RDO character videos: Klondike Gold Rush, French Canadian Voyageurs, and for Guarma, the Spanish American War. The Voyageurs might be hard to do because it’s hard to find a good looking capote coat in the wardrobe, but the other two took place IN the 1890s, so I’d love to see what you whip up. Cheers!
Wow! Didn’t even see this one coming 😯
What an amazing video and addition to the series! Thank you
Love your videos, makes one feel more connected to the game through the history you have educated us with. Love the historical facts you have added
"How to create a historically accurate game that doesn't get updates anymore"
He uploaded again! Yes! And this is an awesome topic for a video! To ride shotgun on a stage coach transporting valuable cargo would be awesome and a really tense experience on RDO! I would give anything for this to be a real role! I'm buying some of those books you mentioned, they seem awesome!
Wow!!! I would love this role!! And amazing job collecting all that footage. Always impressed by the editing and amount of hours gone into these. Thanks, @Man vs. History
Thanks, Miss Kitty! Good to see you on here!
I’ve been waiting for these video finally, the one and only Man vs history, i really like how you narrated this vid, keep it coming sir
Man I cannot get enough of these videos. Thanks for the content, man!
By golly, the mad man actually returned round these parts. Howdy partner!
I woke up and made my coffee with all the best and special goodies just to enjoy this video!
I love this channel I've used your different videos to help my friends better understand some of the things they use or interact with in the game. And to help myself look cooler I used a mix of your vaquero and outlaw videos to create a Mexican bandito and have my posse named Los Deplorabes (deplor-ah-bles) on ps4
I always look forward to your new content. Keep up the good work!
Simply awe inspiring video, amazing information in there. The mind boggles at the amount of research having gone into this. Highly appreciated.
Much obliged!
Being from Placerville California I understand what your saying about the roads... we snowboard all over these mountains....
Great video, already excited for the next one!
I have been driving players around for a little while now on the game but now i can finally look the part. Thank you very much.
An interesting point in history, not all that long ago, thanks for the vids.
My grandmother told me the 1st and only ticket my grandfather got was for horse and buggy racing down Main St of Laurel, Md on a Sunday. He and another neighbor going to church, one thing led to another till the local law stepped in.
#SaveRedDeadOnline ,Amen!
Great job Bud! Keep up the amazing work! Very informative!😉
That was an amazing video! Keep up the great work
I always look forward to these videos. Made my day.
You really need to get into RedM RP! Your suggestions are what they’re trying to make a reality, heck they’ve actually made stage coaches fleshed out jobs. And not to mention you can basically replace your horse with your coach with it staying anywhere you leave it in the world, it having it’s own inventory, customisation, durability, even a name.
Would love to see a historical prospector/miner outfit video!
Keep up the great uploads! Amazing work!
Love all your „how to create a…“ red dead online is just such an amazing game. Keep it up!
Was not expecting to see this be the next character, but a great video nonetheless! Can't wait to see what's next.
👀
A full 30 minutes?!
Long videos are my favorite!
I always wondered about the story behind the Wells Fargo logo. Thank you so much man. From a fellow Iowan to another.
Funny thing about that logo. The shotgun messenger used to have a shotgun, and the driver used to have a whip, but Wells Fargo quietly removed these components 10 years ago out of political correctness. If anyone would have bothered to look into though, they'd have found that the whip was never used to inflict pain on the stage team. Instead, the driver controlled his trained horses by the whip's sound.
Iowan, huh?!? Which part?
Something no one asked for but we all still love and enjoy it
Ha! True. Sometimes I come across an idea and just say, 'I'm doing this'...
@@ManvsHistory well no matter what you'll always have the best history videos
Great video buddy!!! Packed with information and highly entertaining!!! 👏👏👏
Good to see you again, old friend.
Yes! Been waiting in anticipation 👍🏽👍🏽
Awesome to see a new video!
Welcome back man vs history!!!!!
Cannot express how excited I was when I saw this video in my recommended!!!
Not now babe man vs history uploaded
i love the longer videos man! keep it up!?!?
Sheriff Freeman in Tumbleweed offers Stagecoach Escort missions if you want to ride "shotgun".
Thanks for all that you do for the community
A surprise surely, but a welcome one! Love the work!
*sigh* I am just wrapping up "Fur, Fortune, and Empire" and you add 3-4 more books to my stack. It's a good problem to have. Thanks Doc!
Side note: The latter mentioned book has added about 3 more pages of notes to my class on early America and the Pilgrims. They were not happy.
I LOVE your videos! When will you make another one of these videos? They're my favorite from your channel.
Back when my Xbox was working, I actually did a historical accurate Wells Fargo agent outfit! Nice to see these folks of old getting the attention they deserved
your channel is the absolute best
Love ya mate!! Kepp doing these awsome videos
In the UK passengers riding on the top of the coach would sometimes fall asleep bringing with it the danger of falling off the coach. This would be referred as dropping off to sleep. a term still in use today. If possible the passenger would try their hardest not to do this for two reasons. The poor unfortunate may suffer injury when they fell off the coach, usually head first, and the coach would not stop to pick up the passenger as they had a schedule to keep.
Interesting! Thanks for sharing that, Blue!
I know it's been some time, but your suggestions for what should be added for RDO exist!
There's a mod for RDR2 on PC called AMJM Transport that incorporates these elements(Taking on stagecoach/cargo jobs with either a company-supplied or privately owned wagon/coach, buying your own coach/wagon), rescuing cargo and wagons from bandit hideouts, random bandit attacks(albeit not historically accurate) along the road, and there's a system where you can hire "hired guns" and equip them with whatever weapons you like, and have them either take the reins and drive automatically to the destinations or act as shotgun messengers. This video has helped me transform my frankly thuggish-looking Arthur into a refined coachman with a bit of a cough. ;)
Ha! That’s awesome, man! Love hearing this!
Love your channel, You should do one on how to make a historically accurate fisherman as a lot of us love fishing
Thanks for you work, it's one of the best that we have
I have felt that this role should be in the game for a long time. R* could incorporate some existing features and missions. For example, have bandits steal a stage or team from a stage stop, meaning that the player would have to do a wagon recovery or wipe out a hideout. Players could also establish routes one at a time, by both driving the stage and riding shotgun on each leg - (e.g. Van Horn to Emerald Station). Finishing a leg would give you free fast transport for that leg. For longer legs - e.g. Blackwater to Armadillo - the player would need to establish a stage stop. This could mean doing 5 Bonnie missions to get her approval, and occasional missions to keep it. We could get another set of such missions at the ranch near Cholla Springs, and so forth. Call it a freighter role, and start with light wagons, upgrading through the trader wagons to coaches. Players could also get improved horses, and 6 or 8 horse teams for faster speeds. Plus cosmetics like coach liveries, matching teams, etc.
Ayy MVH🤙 Good stuff!
Hope you’re doing good MVH ! Another great video :)
Doing swell! Thanks, partner.
R* oughta hire you to be in charge of everything Red Dead, that would honestly solve everything
I accept.
6:00 good to know puppies even back then were used as marketing
Great vid! +1 sub! I was just thinking about how it would be cool to do a historically accurate Newsie? I think it could add some more role play options for those who know the musical!
I enjoy all your videos, good sir.
Great work as always
Yay now every soul in my rp server will be driving a stagecoach and giving a history lesson on them. Great video though I can never get enough of these!
Sounds like an awesome server to me.
I would love to see you do a historical recreation of a US Army Cavalry Scout since Hondo is one of my favorite westerns
im happy that despite the lack of updates he still finds stuff to do in red dead online
Great video, as usual.
Good God that story of Mister Greeley had me laughing so hard. Additionally, the narration speaking of fatal accidents from malfunctioning equipment, while your coach goes flying off a cliff and bursts into flames got a very loud guffaw out of me.
One reward for the role could be the ability to store weapons and outfits on wagons, like you can on your saddle.
They could expand the role further by letting you be an upstanding Express Messenger (like trader) or dip into the dark side and run a smuggling operation (like moonshiners)
What i would like to see is a Video to create a historically Accurate Doctor in Red Dead Online. Its one of the few important occupations still missing from this Playlist
Have you ever considered doing a video on story mode outfits? It'd be fun to get your input on what Arthur and John are/should be wearing.
Let's go one of the first.Man I love this channel
P.S I was just watching a video about the Wells Fargo scandel
Awesome role idea, only problem is that everyone would just open fire instantly like you do in the story mode