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This content is very helpful, as gaming performance is easy to find, yet data for professionals and freelancers is scarce and often difficult to parse. I'd love to see more content targeted towards artists and workstation users to bolster the library of content on the channel.
agree. This metric set is extremely useful for even hobbyist; more than often even when trying to ask pro-user of those application, the answers are always so vague they might as well not answer it.
Luke Canniff I totally agree with you. I would really like to see these type of benchmarks expanded to include 3D modeling apps such as Rhino3d. There is a benchmark plugin (holomark) available for the v5 version.
Re AutoCAD - you took a benchmark from AutoCAD 2016! That's a near 4 year old piece of software... it's falling off the supported roadmap in March next year. We've have 2017, 2018 and 2019 since then.
But having said that, this is the best content piece I've ever seen from a non-CAD channel covering workstation use, seriously well done. The advice regarding knowing your workload is critical, and LTT should really stop with their attempts to influence our market. It's important to point out to potential buyers that CAD is extremely deep, there are countless workflows internally and sometimes it isn't as cut and dry as one spec is best for the entire application... it depends on what modules you use to an extent. But well done guys I can tell how much work went into that.
@@bengrogan9710 You can still get a 30 day trial of AutoCAD 2019 the same way you could with 2016. The ending of perpetual licensing didn't change trial offerings.
@@Neil3D Not my reasoning. Without a lifetime licence you cannot properly maintain a stable version as you are required to patch immediately. For a reviewer this endsyour ability to reliably repeat benchmarks at later dates for cross comparisons with newly released hardware.
Damn this man knows his Render engines. Would be cool to see UE4 and Unity benchmarks. I might make a test map to compare my 1080ti with the 2080ti when I get it.
This doesn’t affect me but what are the benchmarks for 2 RTX 580s? There’s plenty of people out there that would love budget access to faster workstation related tasks. Considering how cheap these cards can be had on the secondary market. I think including some dual “mid range” card setups would be very meaningful to a lot of people. Anyone that is watching this video is look to spend there money wisely. Anyone who isn’t is just going to buy the most expensive card anyways.
simply driver optimization as you see in few tests the geforce cards are so far away that it could only be explained due to lack of driver optimization you can hate Nvidia for giving the driver optimization just for quadros but truth to be told it costs them money to develop those drivers and the premium price you pay for quadros finance the driver development.
@Rafael Mesa for maya if you use the legacy viewport with a gtx,you are screwed.The 2.0 works.I used a k4200,1080ti and have a p6000 now(ebay offer for 1900€).And if you have a heavy scene or animation that doesnt work well on 2.0, than you shoud return to legacy viewport where the quadro has the same fps performance as 2.0.Hope you find the info interesting.
@@123OGNIAN Ditto. My w9100 actually performs worse than a 1070 or a Titan XM in VP 2.0 until I start adding heavier and heavier things to the scene until it is hitching and pausing so badly on the Geforce cards that it is utterly unusable, despite the high FPS. On my w9100 it is buttery smooth despite the lower FPS. In legacy, which I still have to use for certain things, it is literally up to 10 times faster.
I have quite a few friends who are in production / content creation and they ask me for hardware recommendations all the time. I never had easily data to easily parse through and make solid recommendations since being a software engineer, I personally have no experience with workstation parts. Content like this is going to help those people directly AND people like me who non-technical friends and family often turn to for recommendations. Really enjoyed this content piece GN!
My company has just bought new AutoCAD workstations with 1080tis, glad to see the choice to switch from Quadro seems to be justified here. Don't see many benchmarks for professionals, thank you GN and Rob for the vid!
I really enjoyed watching this despite not currently being in need of a heavy duty workstation GPU it's nice to finally see a tech channel covering this side of things in detail, As recommendations for improvements, 1 - Add more Cards (Especially AMD branded cards) to your benchmarking list, 2 - It would be nice to see things like average temps during these benchmarks and power draw too, 3 - It would be awesome to see reviews for each individual workstation GPU much like gaming GPUs but with a heavy focus on productivity applications and 1 or 2 gaming benchmarks on games which are known to hammer down graphics cards in order to provide a more varied view of what performance a content creator can achieve when wanting to play the occasional game on the weekend
Really, really hoping that this video will be updated soon. There's still not enough reliable workstation content so I'd love to see GN get back into this space
I'd also like to add something of note, especially for Catia: Frame rate only matters for comfort in navigating assemblies. What matters is the amount of ram so you can actually open massive assemblies.
Absolutely LOVE the workstation for design/engineering content. 20+ years in the engineering filed and these types of reviews are very rare and difficult to find. Well done to Rob Williams and all who worked on this one. Well done to GN for branching out into the industrial space. Five stars, full marks, etc. etc.
Why not include the Vega Frontier Edition? I would have liked to see how it's extra memory would have played out compared to Vega 64 in these workloads.
One main thing about viewport performance is the API each application is running on. Autodesk products like 3ds max and Autocad are using direct3d, so it's no surprise that consumer cards have similar or better performance compared to Pro cards like Quadro. On the other hand, most CAD apps, like Catia, SNX etc, run on OpenGL and professional gpus usually have an advantage in this field (they have better optimized drivers, specs like cores etc aren't a paramount factor).
10:00 They don't *need* to support OpenCL to run on AMD cards. They can use their existing cuda code on the AMD cards. All they need to do is to recompile the code for AMD cards using AMDs compilers.
I've watched this over a dozen times and this is by far the best comparison for professional reference I've seen. I've bought a Titan xp for myself and convinced my boss to buy 3 and a friend to buy one based primarily on this video. And they are as impressive as I expected.
Depending on your workload, you could consider just using whatever you can get for hardware, and something like AWS EC2 (Amazon Web Services Elastic Cloud Compute) to do the actual final rendering. They offer instances with GPUs included, which means you can use a high end GPU and only pay by the hour (instead of the whole thing up front). The other major services offer this as well (Azure, Google Cloud, etc.), and support Windows-based instances. Without specific numbers in front of me, I'd still say it's likely you could get through college working this way, spending less money than buying the GPU (to include electrically powering the GPU out-of-pocket), and waiting less time for the final rendering.
so it was actually just fine that i bought a regular RX580 for autocad and some engineering rendering right? Since quadro and pro costs my entire school fee
God bless this video. I'm not a content creator myself but have long wondered what that market looks like, how the cards relate in different workloads and such.
With premiere and after effects' piss poor code, it doesn't matter how fast your system is... the performance will always be piss poor especially Cc 2019
Hi there. Would love to get an update on this information now that the new RTX and RX cards are out. I'm in two minds as to which one i should get. RTX3070 8Gb or RX6800 16GB. I use Enscape, and Vray.
I like that others at gamers nexus can host videos now 🙂 maybe the audience can support a larger company even though it's more scientific than pop-technology channels with only surface level explanations of concepts
That is our hope! That the audience will support our growth in new sectors. We believe in letting individual editorial staff do what they're good at. No need for me (Steve) to pretend I know every single thing.
Conclusion: If something doesn't require workstation card then jsut go gaming card preferably RTX, if something requires workstation card get titan V or XP. RTX 2070 actually shines price to performance mostly there. AMD is heavy work dependand, in some WX8200 is great, in some pure render workloads like Blender vega is the best to suck in another test.
I'm an AutoCAD user that primarily does 2D works with the occasional 3D. I really appreciated this video (and would have appreciated it even more has I found it before wasting time adding a Tesla to my system) I did a CADALYST benchmark on my system that I can send you the results (if it would help in anyway). System: Supermicro X9DAi Mobd. 48GB RAM 2x-Xeon e5-2637v2 E.S. Quadro K4200 Tesla K40m Win 10 Pro p.s. its unfortunate I couldn't just post the pic of the screen shot here
@gamers nexus @techgage I'm a Machinist & CNC programmer. At my work we have tried a number of different hardware setups to increase productivity in the software we use. From an I7 7700k with a gtx1070 to an i5 and Quadro p1000 to an even lower spec pc we have found very little performance difference. I would LOVE to see a build video for a reasonably priced ($2500ish) CAM specific workstation focusing on performance in GibbsCAM, MasterCAM, Fusion360, Hypermill etc.
When showing the blender results i think it is worth mention that both cycles and amd prorender are not used in a professional environment (movies..) as they can only render small - medium scale assets / simple scene. they and don't have the tools to handle huge data sets as needed in movies and game trailers. for those, in most cases, studios choose arnold render / renderman / vray. by mention some of this it will place the blender test in perspective, that if you want to render really large scene using gpu renderer AMD is not a good option, and you cant really use the Opencl based renderers. awesome review thank you .
I’m so glad they are doing more workstation stuff instead of games all the time. Please do a bang for buck rendering workstation for vray and Renderman. I want to know if threadripper 2 would be the best choice for this.
Great info. It's a pity that the software producers don't publish their own benchmarks. I would've liked to have seen one of the 4096core Fiji GPUs included eg my R9 Nanos. Also - I run PowerDirector and would've liked to have seen that used in benchmarking as well as other low end/TH-cam type editors.
you guys never disappoint. I wish you had a review on best professional streaming setups, comparing items like the black magic studio 4k cam, and the accessories black magic sells.
I don't have a need for a work station as I mostly game and only casually work a project. But thank you for the video. I found it very interesting in learning about this use case.
Well presented analyses. Rob's narrative has great flow. Even though I will never require a render workstation, I thoroughly enjoyed this content. Great change up.
I had been using an HP all in one with an i7 7700 and an R9 370 to draw and render some designs in CATIA V6, and it worked fine for the stuff we did (never more than about 20 parts in a single assembly at 1080p).
I have dual Quadro M4000 cards in my system (was able to buy them for $200 a piece bran new). Sure they aren't the fastest but support realview graphics in solidworks and denoiser in visualize. Which to me is worth it.
Finally! I was waiting for something like this for years. I am really glad the new rtx gf cards are performing so well in the autodesk viewports. No need to buy the expensive quadros in those scenarios then, yay
I would suggest that you include 980Ti results. This way it will be easier to identify relative performance to each generation as well as what a lot of people still use
Now we're talking! Really glad that fellow 3D artist taking over this segment. Would love to see some results for texture painting software, like Substance Painter and Mari. Not only viewport performance, but also baking speed. It's kinda fall off this chart since this kind of workload requires realtime interaction thus simple amount of memory is crucial for ability to finish a work at all. Marmoset Toolbag and Blender's Eevee also could serve as a good metrics in here.
I don’t understand a single bit why the numbers differs so much from each different application for different cards, but there’s one thing I enjoy, RX580 siting there like “Yo! You can rock me if want to do some rendering”
This video probably convinced me more then anything that people using cad or cad like applications for hobby should buy the rx 580 especially a used one is a extreme good value proposition. I mean the rx 580 on the second hand market have the same value as a K3000 and thats Kepler architecture.
I currently have an AMD RX580. It's an eGPU for my 2018 Mac Mini. I recently learned about the AMD Pro series and I am interested on the WX7100. It appears that the RX 580 and WX7100 are practically the same cards, minus the viewport performance. WX7100 having way better viewport performance, which is important for me because my RX580 is a bit slow when I zoom in or out in Blender. I can get a WX7100 for $160 but I'm not sure if I should hold out for a WX9100.
i have a workstation with 2 x Radeon Pro WX 5100 & Ryzen 7 - 1700.. video editing in After Effects, Premiere & Steinberg Cubase is pretty nice & smooth, no complaints, its just Windows 10 that sucks so bad..
@@coopergates9680 yes i did all that stuff.. its other weird things that happen.. ex when iam working on something & i want to take a break or i need to go out for a moment.. i usually just put my computer to sleep instead of shutting down.. so when i resume & wake up my machine, my display just stays black, so then iam forced to shut down & i cant save my work of course, so that really pisses me off.. or when i resume the app just freezes & then upon reboot i get an error message & windows attempts to fix the issue .. Windows is installed on its own dedicated SSD & the apps that i use, i have my Project Folders on there own separate partitions, so basically when iam done with a project i just move it to another drive, freeing up the entire partition every time .. Windows doesn't seem to like that very much..
@@NiceTrade I wonder why that is happening to you, I have gone months without shutting down my pc. Though I don't have what you do, running 10yr old hardware here. But I started to save everything to onedrive, even my temp folders that my pc uses for temp save projects, like the blender temp folder. Mainly because I just have an itch it is going to bite it one day. Hasn't yet, but ya never know.
YES! Thanks so much for this. Absolutely amazing level of quality here - I frickin love GN! You've helped tremendously in my efforts to build the ultimate WS in 2018! I'll head over to Patreon soon!
Missing the Radeon Prp WX9100, Quadro GP100 and DV100 means that this video should have been limited to entry and mid range of cards, excluding the P6000, the Titan Xp, the GTX 1080Ti and the RTX cards. Then there should be a price per performance index with clear recommendations. For example, all Autodesk applications favor NVIDIA, even their non ISV certified consumer grade, so for creators who use AutoCAD, MAYA, 3D Studio, even a 1070Ti would be of greater value than AMD's offerings. While in automotive design and surfacing, applications like CATIA and ICEM Surf will definitely need an ISV certified pro card, and AMD's Radeon Pro cards might have a better value.
Good video, I was wondering which GPU choose, AMD vs NVIDIA. This video is 2 years old but I think there's not too much changes when it comes to rendering.
Finally a pro focused gpu comparison!!! It's great! I would only suggest to include Rhinoceros 3D CAD software next time especially in the viewport comparison. Thanks anyway
I would love to see an analysis like this specifically covering machine learning. I've been having to learn it for work and I'd love to know what to look for beyond just tensor cores and vram
Figuring out the best bang-per-buck for a workstation GPU seems to be potentially a lot more difficult than figuring out the best bang-per-buck gaming GPUs. It's highly variable depending on what software you use, but also highly variable depending upon when software gets new optimizations added with software and/or driver updates, which could be somewhat hard to predict. It could also be hard to predict exactly what software you'd be using most often. It's funny, because I've known a few people who work on workstations for a living, and they often know virtually nothing about the different hardware options or how it could affect their productivity! O_O
Awesome video, but can you please also do a budget Gpu workstation video on the more low to middle range in terms of price per performance for workstation and gaming gpu's, as not all small business or start up company can afford the best of the best gpu... Also can you include Revit in your tests if possible... Thanks again
There was a time when CAD and other programs used for Architecture and GIS used to leverage AMD's Work Station Fire Pro cards really well. And then after Polaris things changed to favor the Nvidia Work Station cards
Finally! waiting for a long time for you to cover something very important like this on your channel it's very rare to find you should do more videos like this "Gaming GPUs & Workstaions GPUs", Thanks you! #GamerNexus
Dude. Your script was savage. I love it. Looking at the charts if you were just starting out, a second hand (or black Friday) vega64 looks like a pretty good choice. 1080ti also looks good. I wonder how well a frontier edition would go in these benchmarks.
great video, ppl ! normally one only sees a few synthetic benchmarks for video and rendering.... Viewport performance analysis was MUCH appreciated. That and AutoCAD. As a suggestion, for the next similar video...try to use other software as well... . like Rhino, Revitt, Inventor.. and ArchiCAD. As an architect, i’m glad i watched this ..as i concluded that a gaming NVIDIA card might suffice..even for 3D rendering. thanks very much, for this ;)
Great content! I'm glad to see that my 1080Ti works well for 3ds Max, my everyday work software (much much cheaper than the P6000). Interesting it doesn't perform well at all with CAD (Solidworks, Catia) applications.
Well, I won't be so sure about all CAD softwares. because if you search in the open-source world there are a dozen of other CAD, more humble and less featured but might be enough for a non-pro usage.
Same, I couldn't find any info like this when I was shopping and I didn't have a Quaddro (or Titan, for that matter) budget, so I just kinda had to hope the 1080ti would handle my needs, which it easily has so far. Glad I'm not a mech. engineer.
Javier, I was more thinking outside Autodesk, Siemens, Dassault, etc. more BSD/GPL licensed softs like FreeCAD, BRL-CAD, ngspice, kicad. But I'm not a Maker, i only do handcrafting without CNC nor 3Dprinting and just make my plan in 2D with Inkscape.
Really nice video. I'm looking to build a mostly for 1080p gaming PC but with the ability to indulge in workstation tasks from time to time on a budget. I was surprised just how well the RX 580 placed through out the tests it could given its price point. I would have liked to have seen the GTX 1060 6GB results listed though. Right now I have a budget of around $900 for the full build and this and the previous CPU video have been great for narrowing down the CPU and GPU. Right now its a draw between Ryzen 2600 and 1700x as they're right now at about the same price point and same base clock speed. One's more recent but the other has a higher core and thread count. May just flip a coin.
no Vega FE which is a Vega 64 with pro optimizations and 16GB of HBM2. i have a Vega FE and its running in pro mode with compute optimization enabled in the drivers and its insane for 4K pro workloads on latest drivers
Yeah it seems like peoples are underestimating the performance of AMD Vega card for professional workloads. Take a look at Radeon 7, for gaming it's nothing knew, but for rendering it's a good choice.
Vegas instead of Davinci? Very good set of tests. It’s important to remember than for most pros it’s not just about speed, but stability. Pro will peek slow but stable most of the time (unless is too slow)
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nice! Thanks, Rob for dropping by for a vid. B)
Did you had HBCC on the Vega and WX?
AutoCAD logo is out dated for the past few years
How come no Titan V?
The second graph is wrong. He's says the rx580 beats the wx7100 because it is above on the chart but the result for the wx7100 is actually higher XD
2:14 Autodesk 3ds Max
2:57 Autodesk Maya
3:46 Dassault Systemes CATIA
4:34 Dassault Systemes SolidWorks
5:10 Siemens NX
6:09 PTC Creo
6:57 Autodesk AutoCAD 2016 3840x2160 Cadalyst
8:00 Blender 2.79b Cycles Render Time
8:47 AMD Radeon ProRender 2.3.379
9:46 Redshift 2.6.22
10:35 Chaos Group V-Ray 4.02.05
11:27 OctaneBench 3.08
12:15 Adobe Premiere Pro CC 2019 AVC H.264
12:50 MAGIX Vegas Pro 16
YOU are the MVP. Thanks.
This content is very helpful, as gaming performance is easy to find, yet data for professionals and freelancers is scarce and often difficult to parse. I'd love to see more content targeted towards artists and workstation users to bolster the library of content on the channel.
Ditto.
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If you are looking for sources Puget Systems has a lot of testing on their site.
agree.
This metric set is extremely useful for even hobbyist;
more than often even when trying to ask pro-user of those application, the answers are always so vague they might as well not answer it.
Luke Canniff I totally agree with you. I would really like to see these type of benchmarks expanded to include 3D modeling apps such as Rhino3d. There is a benchmark plugin (holomark) available for the v5 version.
That was one hell of a round of chart simulator
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I didn't think I was going to enjoy this (only because I don't do any kind of workstation tasks) but this was so interesting.
Yeah, I've never seen such an unpredictable batch of results.
Oh wow a different host this time. Nice to see GN experimenting with other hosts than Steve or Buildzoid
Yeah buildzoid has a very grating voice and needs a script
i would like to see some information about these benchmarks next time, i have no idea what are the most used for
@@ADR69 i'm pretty sure this dude is reading from a script too.
BZ does a great job imo
Thank you for this, there is a shocking lack of proper benchmarks using CAD programs.
Hundreds of TH-camrs benchmarking the same few games gets old.
As a freelance 3d artist, I thank you for this comparison.. would be cool to see more stuff like this in the future.
@Flávio Vink will do :) thanks!
Salut, tot pe 3ds max lucri? Ce zici de noul update de la Blender? Uite-te te rog la el si dai o sansa. Mie mi-a intrat la suflet.
Re AutoCAD - you took a benchmark from AutoCAD 2016! That's a near 4 year old piece of software... it's falling off the supported roadmap in March next year. We've have 2017, 2018 and 2019 since then.
But having said that, this is the best content piece I've ever seen from a non-CAD channel covering workstation use, seriously well done. The advice regarding knowing your workload is critical, and LTT should really stop with their attempts to influence our market. It's important to point out to potential buyers that CAD is extremely deep, there are countless workflows internally and sometimes it isn't as cut and dry as one spec is best for the entire application... it depends on what modules you use to an extent. But well done guys I can tell how much work went into that.
@@Neil3D a likely reason for covering Autocad 2016 is since then they have stopped using lifetime licences and moved to a running subscription model
@@bengrogan9710 You can still get a 30 day trial of AutoCAD 2019 the same way you could with 2016. The ending of perpetual licensing didn't change trial offerings.
@@Neil3D Not my reasoning. Without a lifetime licence you cannot properly maintain a stable version as you are required to patch immediately.
For a reviewer this endsyour ability to reliably repeat benchmarks at later dates for cross comparisons with newly released hardware.
pls provide lifetime licenses to gn
Damn this man knows his Render engines. Would be cool to see UE4 and Unity benchmarks. I might make a test map to compare my 1080ti with the 2080ti when I get it.
Pretty sure GTX/RTX would run circles around Quadros there.
This video is perfect. I actually need a 4k$ workstation for 3D rendering but I don't know what to look for. Thanks!
Now you do! We have a lot of 3D rendering applications in this one.
I built a $3500 3D workstation :p took me a long time to save up, can't wait for NVidia official RTX SDK.
This doesn’t affect me but what are the benchmarks for 2 RTX 580s? There’s plenty of people out there that would love budget access to faster workstation related tasks. Considering how cheap these cards can be had on the secondary market. I think including some dual “mid range” card setups would be very meaningful to a lot of people. Anyone that is watching this video is look to spend there money wisely. Anyone who isn’t is just going to buy the most expensive card anyways.
@@TH3M3RC Do you mean rx 580 or am I missing something fron Nvidia? (obvs I'm jk)
luca_palo I type RTX so much it auto corrected 😂
As a 3D artist myself, i always wondered why people buy quadros.
Because large professional scenes take a lot more than 11GB of VRAM.
DawoopFilms that is why we have out of core support (dabs)
simply driver optimization as you see in few tests the geforce cards are so far away that it could only be explained due to lack of driver optimization
you can hate Nvidia for giving the driver optimization just for quadros but truth to be told it costs them money to develop those drivers and the premium price you
pay for quadros finance the driver development.
@Rafael Mesa for maya if you use the legacy viewport with a gtx,you are screwed.The 2.0 works.I used a k4200,1080ti and have a p6000 now(ebay offer for 1900€).And if you have a heavy scene or animation that doesnt work well on 2.0, than you shoud return to legacy viewport where the quadro has the same fps performance as 2.0.Hope you find the info interesting.
@@123OGNIAN Ditto. My w9100 actually performs worse than a 1070 or a Titan XM in VP 2.0 until I start adding heavier and heavier things to the scene until it is hitching and pausing so badly on the Geforce cards that it is utterly unusable, despite the high FPS. On my w9100 it is buttery smooth despite the lower FPS. In legacy, which I still have to use for certain things, it is literally up to 10 times faster.
What missing from this are AMD Pro WX 9100 (16GB) and Vega Frontier (16GB) cards which would near or at the top of the charts.
I have quite a few friends who are in production / content creation and they ask me for hardware recommendations all the time. I never had easily data to easily parse through and make solid recommendations since being a software engineer, I personally have no experience with workstation parts. Content like this is going to help those people directly AND people like me who non-technical friends and family often turn to for recommendations. Really enjoyed this content piece GN!
My company has just bought new AutoCAD workstations with 1080tis, glad to see the choice to switch from Quadro seems to be justified here. Don't see many benchmarks for professionals, thank you GN and Rob for the vid!
I really enjoyed watching this despite not currently being in need of a heavy duty workstation GPU it's nice to finally see a tech channel covering this side of things in detail, As recommendations for improvements, 1 - Add more Cards (Especially AMD branded cards) to your benchmarking list, 2 - It would be nice to see things like average temps during these benchmarks and power draw too, 3 - It would be awesome to see reviews for each individual workstation GPU much like gaming GPUs but with a heavy focus on productivity applications and 1 or 2 gaming benchmarks on games which are known to hammer down graphics cards in order to provide a more varied view of what performance a content creator can achieve when wanting to play the occasional game on the weekend
Thank you Rob, very cool!
Really, really hoping that this video will be updated soon. There's still not enough reliable workstation content so I'd love to see GN get back into this space
Would love to see a 2019 version of this video, with the RTX Titan, Radeon VII and 5700 XT added
This video is like oasis for content creators amongst gaming benchmarks and rewievs. Thank you guys =)!
I'd also like to add something of note, especially for Catia: Frame rate only matters for comfort in navigating assemblies. What matters is the amount of ram so you can actually open massive assemblies.
I believe he reference that, but the reverse is also true - comfortable working is fast working, assuming your buffer is big enough for your use
Absolutely LOVE the workstation for design/engineering content. 20+ years in the engineering filed and these types of reviews are very rare and difficult to find. Well done to Rob Williams and all who worked on this one. Well done to GN for branching out into the industrial space. Five stars, full marks, etc. etc.
Why not include the Vega Frontier Edition? I would have liked to see how it's extra memory would have played out compared to Vega 64 in these workloads.
Rob doesn't have one and is not local to us.
@@GamersNexus also need to get instinct ;)
@@GamersNexus any chance adding FE results?
@@g10118 instinct is purely designed for deep learning like nvidia tesla also it doesn't have display output
Karan Vora nonsense, it's a general purpose accelerator with plenty of fp32. A lack of display outputs isn't a problem for most engines.
Workstation Nexus?
Still interesting though.
One main thing about viewport performance is the API each application is running on. Autodesk products like 3ds max and Autocad are using direct3d, so it's no surprise that consumer cards have similar or better performance compared to Pro cards like Quadro. On the other hand, most CAD apps, like Catia, SNX etc, run on OpenGL and professional gpus usually have an advantage in this field (they have better optimized drivers, specs like cores etc aren't a paramount factor).
Am I the only one that is surprised by the pretty solid performance of AMD Radeon RX 580 in some of the programs?
considering you can get a 8Gb card for $200 yea its pretty good in some of the programs
Me too
Finally something for us professionals!!!! I like this we need more of these =)
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They don't *need* to support OpenCL to run on AMD cards.
They can use their existing cuda code on the AMD cards.
All they need to do is to recompile the code for AMD cards using AMDs compilers.
I've watched this over a dozen times and this is by far the best comparison for professional reference I've seen. I've bought a Titan xp for myself and convinced my boss to buy 3 and a friend to buy one based primarily on this video. And they are as impressive as I expected.
It would have been nice to see thr WX9100 and it's 16GB memory
Vega FE as well would look pretty smushed into the charts.
Also no mention of HBCC.
I was about to say.. where's the Pro WX 9100..?
can't you make a budget video like this ? that would be very helpful for students, 1060,1050ti,rx460,rx560,rx480,rx580 with budget workstations gpus
Are you really serious?
Yes and the 1660ti
Yes, we need an entry into this industry and we don't have so much cash to spend, 1660ti or dual 1050ti or other budget gpus.
Depending on your workload, you could consider just using whatever you can get for hardware, and something like AWS EC2 (Amazon Web Services Elastic Cloud Compute) to do the actual final rendering. They offer instances with GPUs included, which means you can use a high end GPU and only pay by the hour (instead of the whole thing up front). The other major services offer this as well (Azure, Google Cloud, etc.), and support Windows-based instances. Without specific numbers in front of me, I'd still say it's likely you could get through college working this way, spending less money than buying the GPU (to include electrically powering the GPU out-of-pocket), and waiting less time for the final rendering.
so it was actually just fine that i bought a regular RX580 for autocad and some engineering rendering right?
Since quadro and pro costs my entire school fee
After wading through all the gaming benchmarks, I finally get to some content that matters. Thank you.
God bless this video. I'm not a content creator myself but have long wondered what that market looks like, how the cards relate in different workloads and such.
for a budget editing station the Radeon 580 is the best solution, decent enough performance at a low cost
True story bro 👆
Hey it's that TechGage guy, I subbed to him after you recommend his channel a few months ago.
An interesting channel that I've sub too a long time ago. Especially when he does the workstation CPU's like TR and i9
With premiere and after effects' piss poor code, it doesn't matter how fast your system is... the performance will always be piss poor especially Cc 2019
I can't imagine how much work was put into this video. not to mention you have almost all the cards.
Hi there. Would love to get an update on this information now that the new RTX and RX cards are out. I'm in two minds as to which one i should get. RTX3070 8Gb or RX6800 16GB. I use Enscape, and Vray.
I like that others at gamers nexus can host videos now 🙂 maybe the audience can support a larger company even though it's more scientific than pop-technology channels with only surface level explanations of concepts
That is our hope! That the audience will support our growth in new sectors. We believe in letting individual editorial staff do what they're good at. No need for me (Steve) to pretend I know every single thing.
@@GamersNexus great saying !!!
thay's my idea of a Journalist, a very good Journalist.
(not a newsSeller)
@@GamersNexus but youre the tech jesus !
Conclusion: If something doesn't require workstation card then jsut go gaming card preferably RTX, if something requires workstation card get titan V or XP. RTX 2070 actually shines price to performance mostly there. AMD is heavy work dependand, in some WX8200 is great, in some pure render workloads like Blender vega is the best to suck in another test.
This is one of the most useful videos that nobody is doing out there. Top notch job from GN.
Looks like bang-for-your-buck video rendering in Adobe Premiere is the RX 580 :)
@facelessninetytwo it all comes down to eho has the bigger d!ck
@facelessninetytwo It's called status
I'm an AutoCAD user that primarily does 2D works with the occasional 3D. I really appreciated this video (and would have appreciated it even more has I found it before
wasting time adding a Tesla to my system)
I did a CADALYST benchmark on my system that I can send you the results (if it would help in anyway).
System:
Supermicro X9DAi Mobd.
48GB RAM
2x-Xeon e5-2637v2 E.S.
Quadro K4200
Tesla K40m
Win 10 Pro
p.s. its unfortunate I couldn't just post the pic of the screen shot here
much better video than linus tech tips video about the same topic
@gamers nexus @techgage I'm a Machinist & CNC programmer. At my work we have tried a number of different hardware setups to increase productivity in the software we use. From an I7 7700k with a gtx1070 to an i5 and Quadro p1000 to an even lower spec pc we have found very little performance difference. I would LOVE to see a build video for a reasonably priced ($2500ish) CAM specific workstation focusing on performance in GibbsCAM, MasterCAM, Fusion360, Hypermill etc.
When showing the blender results i think it is worth mention that both cycles and amd prorender are not used in a professional environment (movies..) as they can only render small - medium scale assets / simple scene. they and don't have the tools to handle huge data sets as needed in movies and game trailers. for those, in most cases, studios choose arnold render / renderman / vray. by mention some of this it will place the blender test in perspective, that if you want to render really large scene using gpu renderer AMD is not a good option, and you cant really use the Opencl based renderers.
awesome review thank you
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Did Steve catch a cold or something? He sounds different,
That's Rob!
Oh shit sorry Steve. I was joking around there. haha. Great job Rob!
I thought it was NileRed
His hair fell out, sounds a little different now.
I’m so glad they are doing more workstation stuff instead of games all the time. Please do a bang for buck rendering workstation for vray and Renderman. I want to know if threadripper 2 would be the best choice for this.
God bless you for videos like this ! There's always a shortage of videos on professional video cards
Great info. It's a pity that the software producers don't publish their own benchmarks. I would've liked to have seen one of the 4096core Fiji GPUs included eg my R9 Nanos. Also - I run PowerDirector and would've liked to have seen that used in benchmarking as well as other low end/TH-cam type editors.
Wow sudden new voice. Steve keeping us on our toes with surprises.
you guys never disappoint. I wish you had a review on best professional streaming setups, comparing items like the black magic studio 4k cam, and the accessories black magic sells.
I don't have a need for a work station as I mostly game and only casually work a project. But thank you for the video. I found it very interesting in learning about this use case.
Well presented analyses. Rob's narrative has great flow. Even though I will never require a render workstation, I thoroughly enjoyed this content. Great change up.
I had been using an HP all in one with an i7 7700 and an R9 370 to draw and render some designs in CATIA V6, and it worked fine for the stuff we did (never more than about 20 parts in a single assembly at 1080p).
I have dual Quadro M4000 cards in my system (was able to buy them for $200 a piece bran new). Sure they aren't the fastest but support realview graphics in solidworks and denoiser in visualize. Which to me is worth it.
Finally! I was waiting for something like this for years. I am really glad the new rtx gf cards are performing so well in the autodesk viewports. No need to buy the expensive quadros in those scenarios then, yay
awesome ... only thing with i miss ... are Fusion 360 benchmark (which don't exist) and DaVinci Resolve
Lukas Hric resolve runs ofx plugins best with opencl. Vega. 1080ti does a good job though. Either will be good bit ofx runs better on AMD
Finally a work-oriented video! I wish you could make a separate channel to proper cover this kind of content, periodically.
I would suggest that you include 980Ti results. This way it will be easier to identify relative performance to each generation as well as what a lot of people still use
Now we're talking! Really glad that fellow 3D artist taking over this segment.
Would love to see some results for texture painting software, like Substance Painter and Mari. Not only viewport performance, but also baking speed. It's kinda fall off this chart since this kind of workload requires realtime interaction thus simple amount of memory is crucial for ability to finish a work at all. Marmoset Toolbag and Blender's Eevee also could serve as a good metrics in here.
Not a topic I have much interest in, but I watch it all anyway. Quite enjoyable content.
Thanks for putting this content together even though the audience for it is quite small. It'll be a great reference for my next system.
I don’t understand a single bit why the numbers differs so much from each different application for different cards, but there’s one thing I enjoy, RX580 siting there like “Yo! You can rock me if want to do some rendering”
Please keep up the great workstation content. This is one of the most informative videos I've found on gpu's for cad and rendering.
Nice video, but I feel like more cards would have been even better. Maybe a revisit of how the rts cards preform when navi drops or so?
The WX 8200 looks like a great option for Solidworks and light gaming. Meanwhile, the Vega 64 looks great for a Linux build for Blender.
Thanks for this! As an engineering student who games this is really useful and interesting information.
This video probably convinced me more then anything that people using cad or cad like applications for hobby should buy the rx 580 especially a used one is a extreme good value proposition. I mean the rx 580 on the second hand market have the same value as a K3000 and thats Kepler architecture.
I currently have an AMD RX580. It's an eGPU for my 2018 Mac Mini. I recently learned about the AMD Pro series and I am interested on the WX7100. It appears that the RX 580 and WX7100 are practically the same cards, minus the viewport performance. WX7100 having way better viewport performance, which is important for me because my RX580 is a bit slow when I zoom in or out in Blender. I can get a WX7100 for $160 but I'm not sure if I should hold out for a WX9100.
i have a workstation with 2 x Radeon Pro WX 5100 & Ryzen 7 - 1700.. video editing in After Effects, Premiere & Steinberg Cubase is pretty nice & smooth, no complaints, its just Windows 10 that sucks so bad..
Did you already disable all the telemetry and stuff in the OS?
@@coopergates9680 yes i did all that stuff.. its other weird things that happen.. ex when iam working on something & i want to take a break or i need to go out for a moment.. i usually just put my computer to sleep instead of shutting down..
so when i resume & wake up my machine, my display just stays black, so then iam forced to shut down & i cant save my work of course, so that really pisses me off.. or when i resume the app just freezes & then upon reboot i get an error message & windows attempts to fix the issue ..
Windows is installed on its own dedicated SSD & the apps that i use, i have my Project Folders on there own separate partitions, so basically when iam done with a project i just move it to another drive, freeing up the entire partition every time .. Windows doesn't seem to like that very much..
@@NiceTrade I wonder why that is happening to you, I have gone months without shutting down my pc. Though I don't have what you do, running 10yr old hardware here. But I started to save everything to onedrive, even my temp folders that my pc uses for temp save projects, like the blender temp folder.
Mainly because I just have an itch it is going to bite it one day. Hasn't yet, but ya never know.
Love the video, disappointed not to see VEGA FE though
Finally, a new content related to production.
Thanks for the reviews. It is still useful in 2021 and one of the best comparisons of there. Any plans for an updated similar comparison?
YES! Thanks so much for this. Absolutely amazing level of quality here - I frickin love GN! You've helped tremendously in my efforts to build the ultimate WS in 2018! I'll head over to Patreon soon!
Absolutely the best Video Card round up ever well done!!!!!
Waiting for 2019 version with new med tier cards ...!!
Missing the Radeon Prp WX9100, Quadro GP100 and DV100 means that this video should have been limited to entry and mid range of cards, excluding the P6000, the Titan Xp, the GTX 1080Ti and the RTX cards. Then there should be a price per performance index with clear recommendations. For example, all Autodesk applications favor NVIDIA, even their non ISV certified consumer grade, so for creators who use AutoCAD, MAYA, 3D Studio, even a 1070Ti would be of greater value than AMD's offerings. While in automotive design and surfacing, applications like CATIA and ICEM Surf will definitely need an ISV certified pro card, and AMD's Radeon Pro cards might have a better value.
This was really fascinating. I'd like to see more (although that looked like a LOT of work) like with mid ranged gamer GPUs
Good video, I was wondering which GPU choose, AMD vs NVIDIA. This video is 2 years old but I think there's not too much changes when it comes to rendering.
Finally a pro focused gpu comparison!!! It's great! I would only suggest to include Rhinoceros 3D CAD software next time especially in the viewport comparison. Thanks anyway
AMEN man no one else is doing this content
I would love to see an analysis like this specifically covering machine learning. I've been having to learn it for work and I'd love to know what to look for beyond just tensor cores and vram
Figuring out the best bang-per-buck for a workstation GPU seems to be potentially a lot more difficult than figuring out the best bang-per-buck gaming GPUs. It's highly variable depending on what software you use, but also highly variable depending upon when software gets new optimizations added with software and/or driver updates, which could be somewhat hard to predict. It could also be hard to predict exactly what software you'd be using most often. It's funny, because I've known a few people who work on workstations for a living, and they often know virtually nothing about the different hardware options or how it could affect their productivity! O_O
This is by far one of the best benchmark video out here. Like Subs. Comments and Shared
thanks for benchmarking workstation applikations, hard to find stuff like this
More of theses videos please, I’m always looking for performance reviews on the new quadro cards but there’s nothing out there.
Awesome video, but can you please also do a budget Gpu workstation video on the more low to middle range in terms of price per performance for workstation and gaming gpu's, as not all small business or start up company can afford the best of the best gpu... Also can you include Revit in your tests if possible... Thanks again
There was a time when CAD and other programs used for Architecture and GIS used to leverage AMD's Work Station Fire Pro cards really well. And then after Polaris things changed to favor the Nvidia Work Station cards
Finally! waiting for a long time for you to cover something very important like this on your channel it's very rare to find you should do more videos like this "Gaming GPUs & Workstaions GPUs", Thanks you! #GamerNexus
Surely you guy's would have a Titan-V to throw into the mix. It would be interesting to see how "Volta" stacks up.
Great comparisons... Would be awsome if you could add Davinci Resolve to the list of software's tested the next time around.
Dude. Your script was savage. I love it.
Looking at the charts if you were just starting out, a second hand (or black Friday) vega64 looks like a pretty good choice. 1080ti also looks good.
I wonder how well a frontier edition would go in these benchmarks.
great comparisons and very useful! thank you so much for taking the time. That was lots of work you put in!
great video, ppl !
normally one only sees a few synthetic benchmarks for video and rendering....
Viewport performance analysis was MUCH appreciated. That and AutoCAD.
As a suggestion, for the next similar video...try to use other software as well... . like Rhino, Revitt, Inventor.. and ArchiCAD.
As an architect, i’m glad i watched this ..as i concluded that a gaming NVIDIA card might suffice..even for 3D rendering.
thanks very much, for this ;)
Great content! I'm glad to see that my 1080Ti works well for 3ds Max, my everyday work software (much much cheaper than the P6000). Interesting it doesn't perform well at all with CAD (Solidworks, Catia) applications.
Well, I won't be so sure about all CAD softwares. because if you search in the open-source world there are a dozen of other CAD, more humble and less featured but might be enough for a non-pro usage.
@@PainterVierax tinkercad immediatly comes to mind.
Same, I couldn't find any info like this when I was shopping and I didn't have a Quaddro (or Titan, for that matter) budget, so I just kinda had to hope the 1080ti would handle my needs, which it easily has so far. Glad I'm not a mech. engineer.
Javier, I was more thinking outside Autodesk, Siemens, Dassault, etc. more BSD/GPL licensed softs like FreeCAD, BRL-CAD, ngspice, kicad. But I'm not a Maker, i only do handcrafting without CNC nor 3Dprinting and just make my plan in 2D with Inkscape.
Really nice video. I'm looking to build a mostly for 1080p gaming PC but with the ability to indulge in workstation tasks from time to time on a budget. I was surprised just how well the RX 580 placed through out the tests it could given its price point. I would have liked to have seen the GTX 1060 6GB results listed though. Right now I have a budget of around $900 for the full build and this and the previous CPU video have been great for narrowing down the CPU and GPU. Right now its a draw between Ryzen 2600 and 1700x as they're right now at about the same price point and same base clock speed. One's more recent but the other has a higher core and thread count. May just flip a coin.
no Vega FE which is a Vega 64 with pro optimizations and 16GB of HBM2. i have a Vega FE and its running in pro mode with compute optimization enabled in the drivers and its insane for 4K pro workloads on latest drivers
meehhhe Of You i have an fe too and i can cosign. Vega is also incredibly awesome for gaming. Its a win win
Yeah it seems like peoples are underestimating the performance of AMD Vega card for professional workloads. Take a look at Radeon 7, for gaming it's nothing knew, but for rendering it's a good choice.
Vegas instead of Davinci? Very good set of tests. It’s important to remember than for most pros it’s not just about speed, but stability. Pro will peek slow but stable most of the time (unless is too slow)