Dear Hollywood: Sexuality Is Not a Substitute for Story
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ย. 2024
- The topic of sexuality in entertainment has been at the forefront of many a recent Hollywood project. From Agatha All Along to Inside Out 2, character sexuality is being called into question. What Hollywood really needs to recognize is that sexuality is not a substitute for story.
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If something is called "the gayest blank" then leave, theyre not gonna give you a worthwhile product.
Different media cater to different audience. If gay people wanna watch gay stuff, it's their right. There are tons of media products to choose from; Amala can skip Agatha if that's not her thing and so will I.
@@LinDrake-l2xPower of the consumer, baby! 😎
@@followerofchrist3125 I don't get people who can't read who want to comment online. I said I'm skipping the show. Which means that I don't care if it gets cancelled.
@@LinDrake-l2xyou sound unhinged.
Me too!
Is anyone else sick of celebrities bursting out laughing with glee at the sound of the word 'gay'? what are you 11 years old?
People complaining about this in my opinion are also acting like children.
😂😂😂😂
I know I just get Rachel Zegler and Kamala Harris vibes. And I’m starting to believe that Rachel Zegler is Kamala Harris‘s daughter lol
@@tobiasburrell6055people disagreeing with this post are also acting like children…
@@tobiasburrell6055 All of us are children at this point.
I don’t want to watch a show filled with woohoo. I want a story with well written characters that invoke inner emotions I didn’t know I had.
PREACH ❗️❗️
I see I spent a Seraphine Main 😅😎
I think their goal IS to invoke inner emotions you didn’t know you had.
Watch Jaws, It's Incredible!
And it's funny because we have had gay people in movies for a long time, movies with gay roles, and movies about gay people. No one cared because the stories were great. And had great actors. Every thing feels forced these days, and zero originality.
I don't mind diversity in movies but I can't stand when they make a movie just be diverse. You can tell instantly.
Sexuality is just not interesting, especially with the overexposure of sex online.
You said it best, brother
This! I even thought Game of thrones would have been better without showing sex and. violence so overtly.
@@YvonneHoerdeyeah, that's why I never watched it. Stuff like that gives me insomnia and anxiety.. But would have loved it if it'd been a lot less graphic. Love fantasy and stuff like that in general.
@@finflwr Maybe you shouldn't watch fantasy.. I mean if you want fantasy without violence, I guess harry potter might be your thing.
Not everything needs to be PG13.
I say that as someone who didn't watch game of thrones specifically because it's just more HBO garbage. The nudity is cringe and the stories are always boring. HBO makes some of the lamest shit on planet earth. Sopranos was a 6 out of 10 show, and it's the best thing they've made.
The shit HBO makes is not for me. The stuff Disney makes is probably not for you. That's OK.
Not sure why everything needs to be made for everyone these days.. The focus on mass appeal is literally what ruined video games. Like Spiderman, those games play themselves and sell a bazillion copies. Literally zero skill needed, the story is lame, spiderman is boring, the graphics is the main focus. Game made for the lowest common denominator.
We don't need more tripe made for the average joe. We need more stuff that's directed to specific audiences.
Don't like it? Don't watch it. There has never been more entertainment available for us. A story about a witch was never EVER going to be a hit with everyone. No one set out to make this a show with extremely broad appeal. That's great. Cause that strategy is what made Star Wars ep. 7-9 bland as hell. Trying to please everyone and letting everyone down.
@@JimmyNuisance 😆 I think there's a middle ground where graphic rape isn't needed to be streamed right into my eyeballs. I grew up when the violent scenes weren't as graphic and a lot of things were implied instead of acted out in detail, with the emphasis on story lines, character building and subtle emotional perspectives. That doesn't mean our dramatic entertainment was infantile. I love superhero films too and watched the new resurgence in the movies for a while, until it became just a graphic gore fest. Don't patronise me with Harry Potter suggestions 🤣
I’m gay and I think representation should reflect reality. About 5-7% of the population is gay (many claiming to be just for fun I guess.) So why is it that every single movie, every single film series, every single video game has to have the obvious stereotypical gay people? I think it’s ok if there’s like 1 or 2 characters that are gay; but 1: don’t emphasize on the sexuality itself, but the character. And 2: have them stand out from the stereotypes with, get this…
✨ Giving them personality ✨
Back in Overwatch 1, the way they did representation was great. Soldier 76, one of the most popular characters was revealed to be gay back in a comic, and all that was said was a dialogue between him and another character talking about his previous boyfriend, Vincent. That was it. Everyone was like “Oh, he has a boyfriend? Cool.” His personality didn’t change, his character didn’t change, his story was just *expanded* through his past and personal life through his sexuality, but it was not what made him a good character because they had already made him a good character to begin with and added his previous relationship to further expand his story.
Now however, we have original characters being turned bi (Baptiste) and lesbian (Pharah), an obnoxious nb (Venture) and a character whose entire personality is being pansexual (Lifeweaver).
Does anyone else see the difference? The first was a healthy form of representation. The 2nd is a clear agenda being overdone and pushed down people’s throats, ruining characters and making their sexuality or gender identity their only trait.
I think it all depends on the setting the story is taking place in. In Star Wars, it wouldn't make sense to have so much gay in it because the setting covers multiple planetary systems with all kinds of different alien species and whatnot, whereas a setting taking place in a lesbian bar of sorts, it would make more sense that at least most of the people there would be lesbians. It really just seems like most modern Hollyweird writers can't comprehend how overbearing and important the setting of a story actually is.
Sorry if this sounded condescending in any way. I just get fired up about bad Hollyweird writers. 😅
@@NekoKurui-Chan Yes yes, the setting of the story is also important.
Look, Andor has a female couple and it's some of the best writing I've ever watched. Then there's the awful Acolyte.
There's more blind Americans than gay Americans.....whens the last time you saw a blind character (who's not daredevil) be a main character?
I think more of the population is gay than that. I would say a majority of the female population is bisexual.
Our sexuality does not define us. Our actions. Philosophies, and words do.
If more news outlets are talking about how ur movie or show has "x amount of representation" instead of talking about how good the story is, that probably means that the story is trash or else it would be the main talking point
The Closer with Kyra Sedgwick had a very diverse cast and a powerful female lead yet back in 2005 to 2012 during its run nobody ever brought this up in interviews EVER. I was amazed at this. It was focused on how good the show was and how talented its ensemble cast was. I'm thinking this would NEVER happen today.
Deadpool 3 was diverse but it focussed more on story than ticking check boxes.
@@ReabetsweMorake-go4cg diversity is by no means a bad thing. What's a bad thing is when a studio focuses on diversity for diversitys sake, prioritizes it over the story, and does it in a "white ppl bad [insert random diversity requirement here] so we can shit on white ppl and show that were better than them" way
I’m a big fan of BL and things like that, BUT this isn’t as much “representation” as it is cramming things down people’s throats. There is no need to expose children to sexuality. Kids are developing and they don’t need anymore confusion and fear than they have as a small child.
I don't agree with you. I hate forced womaness, however I think it is important to normalize non-heterosexual relationships (without sexual activities! kisses and non-sexual physical contact are not included) in front of children e.g. 'The Owl House' which treated a lesbian couple like any other relationship without damaging the plot with "gayness"
@@sikorilzcx4513 I feel like if you're going to show kids romance, they need to at least be somewhere in their teens or preteens. Young kids are very impressionable and don't really understand romance that much, so it won't really do that much for them, and at worst it can cause behavioral issues if the kid has certain neurodivergencies. (It doesn't get talked about a lot, but even seeing Disney princesses and princes kiss caused me to develop some tendencies even to this very day. I'm not very comfortable bringing them up.) This also goes for heterosexual love. I'm referring to all kinds of love here.
I watched some of The Owl House. I liked the relationship dynamic of Luz and Amity, I just didn't like how young they were. It would've made sense if the child characters were at least in their older teens, especially since the way they were written would support them being in that age range better. They were more mature than the general group that is 12-14 year olds. They did do a good job of not making that the center of the plot though, which I will wholeheartedly agree with.
If it gives this argument any more validity, I'm bi and I'm not against telling kids about different ways of love in general. However, there are different ways to explain those things to them in ways that are age appropriate. I could go into what ways I think are age appropriate for certain age ranges, but that'd be a whole essay.
Feel free to disagree with me. That's your right too. I ain't coming after you if you don't. I was just offering some different insight.
@@NekoKurui-Chan I understand what you mean. Until puberty, series generally shouldn't explore sexualities or romance, however, I would again argue that children get "crushes" before that which can be created by physical appearance or friendship-to-crush. So a child feeling "attraction" to another girl is not strange, not sexual or even romantic, just an indescribable attraction that gives butterflies in the stomach. A perfect example is from Pokemon between Ash and Misty, clearly they have "crushes" on each other, or even Kim possible or Mabel from 'gravity falls', or American dragon: Jake long
I live in Sweden so my opinion may be biased, as it is legal to have intercourse at 15 and therefore seeing 15-year-olds kissing (not making out) is not strange to me. But I agree children should not be kissed more than on the cheek or a quick kiss.
*However, there are different ways to explain those things to them in ways that are age appropriate. I could go into what ways I think are age appropriate for certain age ranges, but that'd be a whole essay.*
actually I would be very curious how you think they can present all the romance in front of children in a natural way, but a shorter summary please :)
*at worst it can cause behavioral issues if the kid has certain neurodivergencies. (It doesn't get talked about a lot, but even seeing Disney princesses and princes kiss caused me to develop some tendencies even to this very day. I'm not very comfortable bringing them up.*
I don't understand what you mean here. Of course, you don't need to explain from your own experience with sensitive information, but I personally have never experienced anything negative with relationships in children's series/Disney, for example, I was taught that cheating are wrong in 'Hannah Montana' (Jake) and 'Good Luck Charlie (spencer)
@@sikorilzcx4513 Thank you for your thoughtful, non-antagonizing response! I will try to answer to the best of my ability.
I am aware that kids get crushes. I actually had this sort of pseudo-crush on my female best friend way before I hit puberty. I had wondered what it would be like if we were dating at certain points. We were very close to each other. I don't think someone really needs to explain to kids that young why they're having crushes. I'd just leave them be to that little bliss of theirs. 🙂
I live in the U.S. Here it's generally discouraged for kids to not engage in sexual activity before they become legal adults. The federal age of consent here is 18 and that's when someone is legally recognized as an adult. There are sex ed programs in most schools here that teach kids (usually teenagers) about safe sex habits and std's. There are some things they teach in sex ed that are somewhat arguable, but I understand why they have it. The best thing to teach them (or try to anyway) is ultimately going to be abstinence. While they may have access to certain protection measures, they won't generally have access to gynecologists or urologists (that would be really weird in all honesty), and they won't be able to take blood tests to make sure they don't have any transmittable infections. All this stuff you usually need to be a responsible adult with your own health insurance, it's just a whole hassle over here. Thing is kids wouldn't likely do these things if their parents were responsible and actually protected and raised their kids. It's sad the pure amount of lazy parents we have out there.
@@sikorilzcx4513 Thank you for your thoughtful, non-antagonizing response! I will try to answer to the best of my ability. 😊
I am aware that kids get crushes. I actually had this sort of pseudo-crush on my female best friend way before I hit puberty. I had wondered what it would be like if we were dating at certain points. We were very close to each other. I don't think someone really needs to explain to kids that young why they're having crushes. I'd just leave them be to that little bliss of theirs. 🙂
I live in the U.S. Here it's generally discouraged for kids to not engage in s€xual activity before they become legal adults. The federal age of consent here is 18 and that's when someone is legally recognized as an adult. There are sex ed programs in most schools here that teach kids (usually teenagers) about safe s€x habits and std's. There are some things they teach in s€x ed that are somewhat arguable, but I understand why they have it. The best thing to teach them (or try to anyway) is ultimately going to be abstinence. While they may have access to certain protection measures, they won't generally have access to gynecologists or urologists (that would be really weird in all honesty), and they won't be able to take blood tests to make sure they don't have any transmittable infections. All this stuff you usually need to be a responsible adult with your own health insurance, it's just a whole hassle over here. Thing is kids wouldn't likely do these things if their parents were responsible and actually protected and raised their kids. It's sad the pure amount of lazy parents we have out there.
Man I am so sick of Marvel now. Alienate 90% of your fans to please 10% or maybe even less with uninspired stories.
No 1% if that. Even gay people hate this stuff.
"HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON OLD MAN" -Us to Disney
Dude walt disneys passed away so thats why were geting shitty movies
It's not even a substitute for personality
Yoooooo 👏
LOL...and yet so many think it is. Kinda like "Pot Guy," that one guy everyone knows whose entire personality is about marijuana and every shirt he owns has an image of a pot leaf on it.
Agree. To quote The Mysterious Mr. Enter in his Seth MacFarlane Cavalcade Of Cartoon Comedy review, "Gay is NOT a personality!' 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
About Inside Out 2: Riley is 12, Val is 14 or 15. Not only would a relationship between them be forced, it would be weird because of their ages
Riley is 13, Val is 18 in the second Inside out movie. At the end of the the first movie. Joy says Riley is 12 then in the 2nd movie Riley graduates middle school which is 13. So she would be 13 and she went to a summer hockey camp before starting high school. Val is the hocky legend at the school. She scored two goals as a freshman now she is leaving high school and Riley wants to make three goals to prove herself to Val the best hockey player as if since now Val is leaving high school Riley is going into high school she will be the new Val.
@avaroche3984 for some reason I thought Val was younger, but what you said validates my point even more
As a trans woman, I don't need or want diverse like this in my Disney movies
How does Disney put out 2 projects that they consider “the gayest in their genre/ franchise” in the same year, yet stans still deny it’s an agenda
Imagine giving your final thesis to get your doctorate degree just for you to fail because you didn’t use the inclusive language in the new Inclusive Language of Medical Terms book.
If this is happening thats a big issue
@@reallyrocc4546 I just searched for it. It's quite real . 🎉
I don't understand the business sense of investing millions to cater to the 7.6% of the audience. Someone is laundering money cause there's no logic behind this madness.
Tell that to Shondaland as they LGTB+ "Bridgerton" and lose the book viewers.
Jess Brownell is going to let it 🔥 to the ground as she puts HER spin (what SHE wants to see) on Francesca's infertility issues/story.
@@renaerolley5670 wait is that the next story???
@kamantha75 Benedict is Season Four's main story. Francesca and John were going back to Scotland and his cousin, Michael Stirling, was turned into a girl on the show. The way that the book read, Michael fell in love at first sight with Francesca. She had NO idea. The show did NOT take that path.
The infertility issues that Francesca has is now pushed back because two women CANNOT make a baby. Jess Brownell made a gay story to make herself happy.
I've been called all kinds of names by the LGTB+ community for being upset. As a woman who had fertility issues, it was a slap in the face to change THIS story.
Cause its not about the 7.6%. Its about the men and women who enjoy watching others put on a show. Most of the "GAYEST" things will have people in it that act "gay" in an extremely over the top way. Most of the gay people I've met in my life have been essentially the exact same as straight people. No higher pitched flirty voice, no literally wearing every color of the rainbow at once, no constant innuendos, basically none of the shit you'd see in one of these "GAYEST" shows. The whole fake over exaggerated gay thing is extremely marketable to certain people, and most of those people are straight.
@@kamantha75I have loved the casting up until this. I'm hoping that Marcus and Violet get a story. They are an AWESOME couple!
C3PO is an Android and is not programed to want and or had any sexual desire at all tward any being regardless of their gender.
As a gay man the more “representation” I get, the more shame I feel honestly
I would be as well. That's not making anyone look good.
I feel the same way with anything that’s pushing girl power. Like, if you’ve really got a kickass female character, don’t just insist that she’s kickass without giving her a character and then cry sexism when it turns out people don’t like cardboard cutouts of caricatures.
Lmao you should, so you can speak up about it. I feel embarrassed when I see those female leads in movies whose only personality trait is that they’re a strong independent woman who don’t need no man🙄
Speaking as a Heartstopper fan, it’s okay to use sexuality and discovery as the centre of a show which literally focuses on the two. But there are certain shows that do not need to be centred around these things, and that’s what makes it FORCED DOWN OUR THROATS.
Yeah I agree!! It’s kinda cringy about everything being gay for the sake of being gay. That’s just lazy writing.
... It also takes away from the original focus of the show. I doubt anyone would care if a character had a different sexuality so much if they had a compelling story around saving the world (superhero comic type stuff).
Then after the film flops, they'll all claim that it's because we're all biased and revel in that proof. If they make money, they're happy. If it flops they're even happier in their misery. It's a win/win for them.
So that’s why they never learn their lesson and change.
@@chelseabaker1994
They'll keep trying until there's no one left who will finance their projects. Then they'll commiserate with one another about the struggle and spend a lifetime hoping for that ONE project that will work.
It's rather sad.
since 19 out of 20 people are straight u could say being straight is pretty universal..
I'm done with Disney and hollywood. I don't want to pay any money to these scumbags.
I saw Inside Out 2 with my grandchildren and didn't even think Riley might be gay. 🤔
Nothing about it was gay. She has had a boyfriend, and she didn't want to kiss the other girl I forgot the name of.
The lgb community and their silly allies just want it to be gay by all means because they need validation from everything whether fictional or non fictional. It’s taboo to force heterosexuality on someone but you can force homosexuality on a child? Cool!
There have been a number of movies and TV shows over the last couple decades that have had openly gay characters. But they didn't focus the show on them being gay. They were just one of the characters in the ensemble who happened to be gay. A show I recall in recent years had a gay couple as the next-door neighbors to the main characters. And they were just the next-door neighbors. No special emphasis on them being gay. Sure, when they first moved on the block, while the main characters welcomed them, some neighbors were less than social. But they won them over just by being an average couple - who happened to be gay. No hard sell, no demands, just doing every day, ordinary suburban things. The writers focused on the stories, not the fact that two of the characters were gay.
In the UK we’ve had a long running tv show called Hollyoaks which has been up and down in popularity, just cheesy soap opera style writing. There’s always been gay characters, even trans characters and nobody cared. There is now 27% of the cast are playing LGBTQ+ characters in a show that was famous for having attractive girls showing their cleavage.
In the UK they do a lot of stories with characters who are gay and I love the way they do it. They should teach Disney and Holywood how to write a good storyline...The things is that the emphasis is not about them being gay, but about the ups and downa of their relationship and their own lives.
We literally live in the dumbest timeline imaginable
Its perfectly fine to have a gay character in a story.
Its also perfectly fine to have a story about a gay character.
But theres no need to make a story thats not about a gay character only to randomly pivot to the gay character staring into the camera telling the audience they are homophobic if they only care about the story and not the gay character.
But seriously, why is everything and everyone so gay now?
It isn't just Hollywood, the games industry is doing this too.
lol your just looking for reasons to be upset I play videogames and don’t come across gay characters often and if I do they mention it for 1 sec so stop being extra for attention 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
@@crisknap9635 I'm not upset just pointing out facts my friend. Take the new dragon age game for example one of the companions is gay, now in all other dragon age games you've been able to have same sex relations but this is 1st time it has been pushed onto player and I was just pointing that out
@@crisknap9635 But he didn't say he was upset though........🤔
He just wants to suggest upset where it doesn't exist and without even bringing any examples to the table like for instance the flags ban in Spider-Man@@NekoKurui-Chan
@@crisknap9635I will say, arguably the greatest game ever made, The Last of us 2, went out of its way to dive into the LGBTQ agenda. Still the greatest game, but it felt forced/contrived.
You have those who learn from mistakes. Then you have Disney...
Well, they call sex their identity, which is something only a pervert would say.
As a lesbian I'm soooo disappointed whenever I read there's a gay character in the movie and then find out that being gay is the ONLY storyline... Like come on, I want to see a good storyline paired with a gay character NOT a movie with being gay as the only storyline/plot 🥲
Edit: To clear things up, I don't mind being gay as (part of) the storyline - but I do mind how the goal of the movie suddenly isn't to be a good movie anymore but just to be a diverse one yk
Nimona wasn't too bad
I guess you must hate Buffy The Vampire Slayer given the fact the show was the "gayest" show on TV at a time when it risky to to have gay characters on screen
@@gloriathomas3245 I get what melona means though. Some stories are good and we love the characters but there are a lot of really dumb ones that are gay just for the token sake of being gay. I absolutely hated the gay storylines in once upon a time. They were so dumb
@@gloriathomas3245gay wasn’t the storyline…. Vampires were lol
I liked the L word when it first came out. Sure there were many lesbian films prior to the L word, but it was like the first major lesbian themed tv drama, exploring the lives and relationships among a variety of sexualities amongs mostly lesbian women.
today, i shudder at these gay marvel or gay transformers shows where their sexuality or gender identity is their only plot line. it's become more of a piece of cognitive apparel than about an actually lesbian/gay/trans person. i especially dislike every time they take a character who's been str8 for decades and then suddently turning them LGBT. no originality at all, and utter disrespect to original creators of said characters.
Gay storytelling should be directed towards a gay audience and not towards straight people and kids.
Yeah, remember those days back when gay storytelling was limited to rather obscure indie movies aimed at a niche audience? Those were the days.
@@kingandrewcecil348 Amen
Wasn’t there something recently about a movie being filmed that is entirely about a gay romance and they were planing like 7 different sex scenes? And they are always so shocked when people (seemingly rightfully) assume that gay people are all massive perverts and incredibly sexual people.
And sex doesn’t equate good writing or an intriguing story. Just like sex isn’t necessary to a story. 9/10 you don’t need to show a sex scene, and i prefer it when its implied instead. Once because if i we bother to imagine, our imaginations are better than the actual scene seen. I now lose a lot of respect for shows that have unnecessary sex in it as I view it as a complete writing crutch. “We don’t have to worry too much about good writing when a percentage of viewers will come in for the sex scenes”
The problem I have with the majority of Hollywood sex scenes is they portray high levels of passion and desire. In reality what trumps sex is intimacy and the only way to achieve it involves love, acceptance of each others flaws and commitment over a long period of time. Kinda sounds like marriage eh.
I literally think this all the time. Whenever I watch gay romance in movies or shows they're almost always there just to push messages or be stereotypical to what Hollyweird thinks being gay is. Rarely have I ever come across LGBT romance that was actually written well, and that really sucks.
@@garethbaker5179 Movie sex is nothing like real like, and i hate aggressive its often portrayed, like aggression = passion. Uh, no. Often aggression isn’t a good sign. And i think it just perpetuates the normalization of hook up culture which is devoid of love and true passion and intimacy. And just wrong portrays sex too. Most of the time they just jump into it without lube or foreplay. You need at least one. And they clean their hands or go to the bathroom afterwards. Just ripping clothes off (which doesn’t usually happen) and doing it.
Maybe it has to do with audiences shrinking attention spans so writer’s can’t afford to have things go slow which would be way more realistic
@@NekoKurui-Chan and the sex is usually… not pleasant. Being more aggressive or at least being super “kinky” which doesn’t help the perverted perception. At least from what ive seen.
The over-usage of sex scenes was one of the things I hated about Game of Thrones. If it doesn’t serve the plot, we don’t need to see it
Have they claimed 'gay' into meaning 'lame' again? I just can't keep up.
"Put a chick in it! Make her lame and gay!"
- Kathleen Kennedy, South Park Panderverse
I’ve been saying this for a couple years now. Being gay isn’t a storyline
Agree. Gay isn't a personality either 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
I dont like movies that obsess over straight sexuality either. Write better or not at all.
I get really bored with "romance" movies 🥱 there is so much more to life!
Holy schmolly 🤯 can things get any weirder 🤯
Don't say that. They take it as a challenge!
@@renaerolley5670 🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭
Naaah frrr tho @@renaerolley5670 😅
Everything is so hyper today. Hypersexual, hyper violent, hyper vulgar. Most shows and movies now make shows like Married with Children look like Barney the Dinosaur 😂 it's no wonder people say families cant watch tv together anymore. The last actually family shows on tv were Medium, The Middle and Blue Bloods. Remember shows like Growing Pains? The Cosby Show? Full House? Who's the Boss? Some may say they're corny, but i sure as heck miss the innocence.
I miss being able to care about characters. There's Mandalorian and Andor especially, and the latest Alien was pretty good, but there's so much shiiite Deadpool and Wolverine being so good was a shock. These writers want more money and went on strilke and turn out junk!
True. I honestly dont watch any new show nowadays.
Thank you for speaking up on this!
They need to stop making main characters gay
Are women just got allowed to be friends in films anymore they immediately have to be lesbian lovers?
I actually watched the Humphrey Bogart movie last night. And one thing I noticed was that the plot and the story was it. That’s what made the film. It got sprinkled with a little salt & pepper, a little spice …tiny bit of sex, couple guns. But they were not the story they were just the spices added…about a dozen years ago I decided that I cannot watch anymore modern movies. All about death and negative things..the sex is over the top. Nothing left to the imagination. It’s the typical race to the bottom of everything. No wonder so many kids are depressed.
It's funny how actresses are so happy when something is either super gay, or if a man's role is unimportant. I still remember how *happy* Gal Gadot and Rachel were when they were talking about Snow White not falling in love with a man. And now they get giddy with how gay something is. Be excited for a show/movie with a good story, plot, and characters instead.
Disney has become a Huge disappoint.
Amala!! Your hair is freaking adorable in this vid!! now i wanna cut my hair short😭
Disney had 2 major boxoffice success with Inside Out 2 and Deadpool & Wolverine and think they are unstoppable all of a sudden. NOBODY asked for an Agatha spinoff series
People did, not lot, but they exist
Very well said. Don't pigeon hole your characters. Leave enough room for anyone to put themselves in a characters shoes, and you will find more people interested in the characters. 😮
and.... the original meaning of "thats gay" as boring and unoriginal comes full circle
But "gay" was delightful or joyful in its origin?
@@lannifincoris6482 in its absolute most original form yes. I didn't mean quite that original lol I was referring to the late 90's derogatory usage and had nothing to do with homosexuality. if an activity was "gay" back then it was either boring, unoriginal, or both
Hollywood is secondary. There's a lot of America who think sexuality is the story.
these people forget that if you want to sell an idea to people you need........a good story. no story, no sell!
Thank you for the warning. Tired of the entertainment industry bending over backwards to tick off the boxes instead of focusing on quality content. 🙄 Next!
Assuming Riley was gay almost ruined the movie for me. The movie is very well done and educational as far as the way emotions work. Anxiety’s line “We (the emotions) do not get to decide who Riley is” in no way reflects the message shouted by activists. Not only are they creating bad films, they’ve created such a contentious society that people avoid what turns out to be quality entertainment with a very universal theme.
Gratuitous violence is also not a substitute for a good story. Looks like some people watch sex and violence movies because it looks like no one can write a good story and bad stories don’t pay the bills at the movie theaters. Besides audiences have to think when watching such as movie, and they don’t want us to think-they just want us to be entertained, whatever that is supposed to mean. Anyway, foreign films generally have good storylines, especially the older ones. Can remember the old black and white movies good stories often but all of a sudden a couple would start kissing and spoil the whole thing. Basically they just want to make money. Nothing wrong with making money but that should not be the sole purpose of making a movie.
I think one really sad part about how Hollywood chose to promote their stuff is it’s turned many many everyday people who never had a problem with this community before is now so burnt the fuck out and annoyed hearing about this non stop in every bit of entertainment that now they hate it and want nothing to do with it.
You know the definition of insanity is doing the same and expecting a different income. If you have lesbian witches fail in one show and want to try it again is INSANE! If being gay or lesbian is the only thing that says something about a character than i urge you to read classic stories to understand character. ALSO WE DO NOT WANT TO KNOW IF A TEENAGER IS STRAIGHT OR GAY.
They did that with inside out 2 because it's so big...they knew they'd get a drop in viewers if they did that.
Agatha all along could have been in production before they changed their plans?
There are older shows with gay characters that are good..because they don't make thay the story.
Modern family
Schitts creek..(love the show)..
Because the overall theme isn't "we are all que er!!"
Do you know why the first three Star Wars films were blockbusters? They were a heroes story.
Being gay was a lot more fun before Hollywood got hold of it.
Doesn't need to be "deeply explored"? Do you mean doesn't need to be deeply groomed... And when do we start calling Disney hetrophobes? If the shoe fits...
Thank you for saying "not the majority".
While I think sexuality CAN be a storyline, it shouldn't be the sole marketing ploy
AMEN 👏👏👏
As a self identifying witch, I am the opposite of queer. I’m super straight
This will blow over. People can only take so much and we're already so sick of this excuse for a story
Amala speaks so eloquently and being quite neutral. I like her.
MARVEL : Let’s skip putting any effort into the storyline, directing , photography……let’s just get some gay bit part desperate actors and tell them to camp it up …..that’s what OUR Audiences really want ….it cannot fail , look how successful Acolyte was with our New Audiences……
That interviewer turns me off even more than whether any movie is "the gayest."
Done done done with this. Disney needs to be stopped
Clown World
Disney doesn't like money aaaaand I for one misss the 80's-early 00's Disney.
Im tired of sex, gender, or whatever the flip the terms are penetrating kids/teenage shows. It's creepy, weird, and I dont understand why no one is calling this out!
Even Rule of Rose, a game that accidentally got itself banned in most of the EU because of how downright awful the marketing was, didn’t mention it’s protagonist and main antagonist and a few side characters were all lesbians. And they were lesbians because of the themes of game, not just because diVErsiTY. Crazy how a game from 2006 has better lesbian representation than most of the slop that Disney produces today.
Amala. You articulated what all of us are thinking. We just want a story. Don't make the focus on the movie your minority woke agenda. I stopped watching Disney. I only saw Deadpool and Wolverine because Ryan Reynolds fought disney for nothing woke in his films. The only other 3 movies I've seen in theaters within the year had no pushed/forced woke. I saw beetle juice beetlejuice. Had the tiniest no big deal woke thing. There was a white mom with her asian daughter, and the movie wanted us to know that the white woman had an asian daughter, but seriously, I didn't care. The rest of the movie was a movie. John Wick 4 was just a straight-up action film. It gave us what we want, action, shooting, fighting, and sick cars. 0 agenda. And finally, Super mario brothers. It was just Super mario, that's it. Mario didn't like men. It was just a movie. They need to stay away from our franchises that already have lor. You wanna make a movie like Bro's, cool, we don't have to watch it. But when you spread it all over in established franchises, we stop watching. I'm shure everyone who watches this channel agrees.
Just your title for this gets a thumbs up from me! Common sense writing knowledge right there.
"Gay is not a personality! 🤦♂️🤦♀️🤦"
- The Mysterious Mr. Enter
Nailed it, don't forget the story has to hit the target audience. If you want to make a story catering to any particular group, especially one that makes up a miniscule percentage, you can't then blame the othered audience who didn't feel it had anything to offer them. Make universal stories that cater to the general human experience, and address your core audience to make money. Or you could just... keep going broke 🤷♂️
The biggest sadness is that Agatha in the comics was in love with The Caretaker, a female, and their love is quite profound. It's so sad to see that storyline ignored for this trash.
Read the Midnight Suns comic line.
Amandla saying nerds are gay, that sounds like what typical bullies have been saying about nerds for decades.
And I cant help but mention that awkward pause Headland made between "i am frankly.....into it." What was that? Why the pause?
You're sooooo necessary!!!!
the most annoying part is the last one you touched, how hollywood tries to make children's content about sexuality and the loud audiences online (mostly adults) try to force sexuality into little kid characters like it was with not only insideout but also luca.
the industry is insisting on focusing on causing buzz online when it clearly doesn't work in the box-office lol
the gaslighting needs to stop and we're not falling for it anymore, well said!!!
I think the pedos in Hollywood are trying to make their exploitation of kids legal. Everything is heading towards it.
I have to believe that Disney is the one that tells them those talking points. I don´t believe that was the case with The Acolyte (here they COULDN´T WAIT) to make that statement. But for Agatha it has to be Disney...and wouldn´t be surprised if they also fed this question to the reporters.
Also, a couple of things regarding this:
1. Haven´t you picked up the pattern already that, for years, it´s only LESBIANS? I can´t think of gay characters and content. If they are, again someone prove otherwise, they are just characters with no importance. The lesbians are the main characters and the story has to be around them. They are the focus.
...an that´s not just in TV series/movies but comics as well for instance.
2. Usually the couple is: white and black women. With the rare exception of white woman and Asian or other race.
...not to mention that, the person that comes out with the concept is a white person. Usually a white woman/white straight woman.
3. Finally, they portray a gay character in AGATHA and it is the most flamboyant/stereotypical gay there is.
...contrary with women, that for the most part, are feminine or regular women.
Rare is the case in productions like SPARTACUS, FELLOW TRAVELERS or NUOVO OLIMPO where the men are either manly or just a regular men.
Thank you ^^ This is exactly the problem I had in the early 2000's with movies like Trick. Just, the whole story was just, gay, and very little else o.o
Cw Had Batwoman as Gay. That's okay. When the story started increasing the sexuality of her character, it gradually began more difficult to watch. Viewership tanked but they persisted more and more and i couldn't take it. Soon after they finally pulled the plug. They hung on way too long. Did any executives lose their jobs?
Batwoman is gay in the comics but there's more to her than that. The TV show was a travesty since they did not even read Batwoman's comics and it shows. Plus the showrunner has a problematic history as well.
It's like someone ask me the things I am good at and my answer is "I'm gay".
I'm just happen to be a lesbian. My sexuality is not my plot armor or something like that.
LOVE THE NEW HAIRCUT AMALA!!! AMAZINGGF
Watched the first two episodes and thought they were great and were a strong continuation from Wanda Vision. Yes there is some gay and campness but it works with the witch/coven themed story and in no way is forced into the great story and narrative.
And they wonder why fewer and fewer people want to watch
To be clear, the issue is not queer people or queer characters. The issue is queer STORIES.
New DRAGON AGE game has Top Surgery scars as an option for create a character
"I don't want to live on this planet any longer" Prof. Farnsworth
WHAT ??????
Fucking sickening
Many LGBTQ people are sick of the media adding characters "just because". Inclusion is great. But sometimes it feels fake & forced. It can seem ingenuine. HOWEVER, Queer doesn't always mean Gay/LGBTQ, it also means "strange", "different", or "peculiar". Even if they are straight, characters or people who are outcasts or mistreated for being different or looking different. And I believe that is what the black female actress was talking about at the beginning of the clip. Because it's true. Throughout history, Witches were taboo or outcasts in society. Which many LGBTQ or POC can relate to.
Disney has lost billions because of this. Why are they still doing it!?
So far the first 2 episodes, they are not pushing the gay storyline, but Im pretty sure that’s not gonna last
It was pushed pretty strongly. In 2 episodes it already emphasized the sexuality of 3 characters.
_Disney Corp._ lost its way years ago.
What is hollywoods recent obsession with gays now days, it’s bringing nothing new to table
No lies told here. Queer baiting is too real. Id never trust Disney to tell a nuanced real story that can feature queerness or even center queerness organically
I quit watching recent movies & TV series since a while. A WHILE. And I'm not ready. And never will for modern movies and series. All is been destroyed for stupid and useless ideologies. I'm tired of all of this.
I have a pretty large short position against Disney stock. I was really worried when Deadpool came out because it was really good. I'm glad to see them returning to form so I can keep profiting on their nosediving stock.
I always love your hair but WOW! Short suits you like a glove! You look universally lovely!
They have kept it kind of low-key for now. So far, it's the pointless scene where they are driving in the car having a conversation, and the phone rings. The guy touches ignore on a guy calling him and says, "He worries.". Why?
Practical Magic, where the girl meets her dream man, is a GAY Story!!!
Considering that they’re twins, it would be quite awkward if Twitches were a gay film 👀
I'm tired of watching LGBTQ+ stuffs without a good story. If they want to do LGBTQ+, fine, they can do it, but, they should at least make sure that they have a good story to tell.
Earlier LGB films like Saving Face and Another Country *had* to have an excellent story; you didn't get brownie points back then just for a gay storyline.