Winlink Email Over HF/VHF Using Mobilinkd Bluetooth TNC
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ค. 2018
- I finally got to finish my video on Winlink, Global email system over RF. Using nothing more than a cheap VHF handheld, you can send email over radio waves, or, over HF across the world.
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I've been trying to get a Mobilinkd TNC4 to work with a Motorola MotoTRBO 5550e. I followed your Winlink setup instructions to get it working 100% today. Thanks so much!
Two years later........this is still great. Thank you. Graham - 2M0IJU
This was such a cool demo.
Thanks Eric for this video. Going to start digital soon and Winlink is at the top on the list.
Nice video, I have a much better understanding of the process and I am headed to the shack to try it all out. Well done!
Most excellent Video. Thx Eric....73s from Bahrain
Thank you, Sir! This clarified much for me
great video. thank you for producing alot of information.
Thank you for this video. How often do these band conditions change? If in a real power outage regional disaster with no internet how would you know which frequency on HF to use?
Great instructional video! Many thanks.
Very useful video !! Thank-you
This got me interested in trying Winlink with my Kenwood TH-D74A. It has a KISS 12 TNC built in, plus bluetooth as well. It was a challenge to get it setup, but once setup, it works beautifully! I may do a video on it soon to share.
Please do. I have one and when I read your post I was like oh well I guess I didn't need to purchase that Mobilinkd I just received... I tried to get the TH-D74A to work but failed so far. I can get it to pair and I can see that the Winlink software is connected to the radio but no PTT, etc.
th-cam.com/video/NP4fljJTVWI/w-d-xo.html I added a video - check it out and let me know if it helps! Hope this is OK to post here....if not please remove it.
Thanks for posting that video. I will give it a try later today.
@@bruehlt it's ok to share.. Just hate when people blast websites that have nothing to do with radio, or my channel, or anything.. LOL
I have not set up yet but St Lucie County and Martin County EOC have radios that from what I have been told are on UHF set up to do the high speed. I am working at getting things set up and hop to have things setup soon.
Great video. These kinds of software programs are often tricky to set up. Would you consider directing us on all of the settings in Winlink Express? I happen to have the exact setup as you with IC-718 and the Signalink. Thanks
That was interesting. Thanks!
Most excellent!!!
Great explanation. The problem I'm finding is that Winlink Express is not available for phone or tablet... That limits use in the field, which is where I wanted to use it.
I have successfully connected to several Winlink VHF stations in my area with a 2013 UV-5R and a Mobilinkd 2.2 with the latest firmware upgrade. I'm not sure if the upgrade helped or tweaking the settings improved the connection; or both.
I tried the Btech TRRS to HT cable which I assume has a couple of mini transformers or resistors inside, but the VOX on my HT would continue to transmit for about three seconds after the sound stopped. This renders it difficult with APRS and useless with Winlink. The other problem I have with the UV-5R is it can transmit to stations 10 miles away with a Harvest style 1/2 wave telescope, but the receiver sensitivity is so weak, that it cannot receive data from the same stations. It tends to work better with a Tram 1180 on the roof of the truck.
On a Windows 10 machine, how does one assign COM11 to the Mobilnkd TNC ? The only choices I see in the Winlink software is COM1 and COM3
Thanks for nice video! Is that TNC 2.2 or 3? Being a KISS TNC could it be used for other packet applications attached to a computer (BBS for example)?
TNC 2.2 didn't work for me with Winlink. It worked with a Kenwood radio no problem. Also TNC2.2 works with aprs no problem. I am not sure how Erik got it to work with Winlink, I tried everything.
Why didn't you push out the TXTAIL and TXDelay parameters to over come the RTX delays?
I have a KW TH-D74a. It has built in TNC and Bluetooth. Does this mean I do not need the mobilinkd device? Can I connect my computer or device running the Winlink Express software directly to my D74a and use the D74a basically as an RF Modem to deliver emails? Curious that the Winlink Express software lists the D72 but not the D74 in TNC setup
I tried it with a Kenwood radio and a mobilink TNC 2. With the Kenwood it worked perfectly, but no matter what I tried with the settings, I couldn't get it to work with the TNC2. APRS works great with mobilink, and I confirmed that it was sending and the modulation was good. But Winlink for whatever reason won't work with the mobilink TNC.
Question. When I check Device Manager, I see two Com Ports connected to bluetooth. How do I know which one is the right one to use? If I choose one, it doesn't even try to open the port. If I choose the other, it opens and tries to connect, but never keys the radio. I know it worked using a Raspberry Pi and PAT.
I purchased a mobilinked TNC after watching this video. I have copied all of your settings. I have another HT set to the same frequency so I can listen to what is happening. When I open a session, I can hear both radios communicating and handshaking just like the beginning of your video. Then, the Winlink goes from connecting to disconnected. In the log after 5 attempts, it says Error indication: K - FRMR received. There are two different com ports that are created when I pair the TNC. In bluetooth settings, it says one is incoming and one is outgoing. Do you have any software modems installed or did you have to make any changes to the default settings in windows? Any help you can give is greatly appreciated. The mobilnked works great using aprs droid. I have tried several radios all have the same result.
I just received my TNC3 this unit pairs to IOS devices. Perhaps you can make a video on it.
Can you use Winmore and maybe ARDOP to have keyboard to keyboard QSOs with ARQ handshaking? If so, what’s the data speed in terms of words per minute on HF? I used to use AMTOR ARQ on HF, and it was a very robust mode, drastically better than PSK31.
Dave KY0L
The 144 is in the Technician license band for them?
How do I connect the computer to the Bluetooth to the TNC. My Winlink is not seeing my tnc
good video 73
What were you using to connect to your dual band? I think this will be interesting. Thanks Eric
The Mobilinkd Bluetooth TNC
DERP!@ I guess it was in the title, and I completely missed that. Thanks for answering my dumb question. lol
I went to the website it shows u can use it on tablets too
Trying with my ft-817 key radio but not sending. wont hand shack with other station.
Eric, I’m new to HAM radio, but I have a question, when would someone need to have a mobilinkd? If my phone has GPS isnt’ that all I need (and the software of course) or are you saying GPS won’t work when cell towers are down and the mobilinkd will work??
I appreciate your videos, they are very helpful.
GPS comes from satellites, so if cell service is down, GPS should still work. Mobilinkd is what makes the phone speak radio language over the air. The GPS part of it is for position reporting over the radiowaves. The radio has no way of knowing where you are (unless it is a radio with built in GPS) and the phone has no way to transmit on RF. The mobilinkd brings it all together.
HamRadioConcepts Understood, but I’ve seen other videos where they underlying suggestion is that if you connect an android phone with a custom cable to your UV-5R, the app will “talk” to the radio directly, in other words it will make the “modem” like sounds. It my head that makes sense because I can connect my phone earphones, which also have a mic, the the aux on the phone can send and receive sound.
All this just to ask, couldn’t we just connect the phone to the radio and use an app?
I guess I better quit asking and start experimenting. If you know the answer let me know, otherwise, I’ll report back to you once I find out.
@@oscararmendariz4188 The short answer is that the TNC will do a better job. Think back to the late 70s and early 80s when a telephone hand set was placed into an acoustic coupler to drive a modem. That is very similar to what you are doing with the cable between your Android phone and your Baofeng. It works, but it won't be as capable as the TNC which is likely to be more reliable, more resilient against interference, and as a result it will get the job done quicker. I experimented with a direct cable too. It was fun, but now I use the Mobilinkd.
So if you had your FT-817 you could have done the HF work with the TNC?
Yeah, but in this video I used my Ft450 instread
There were many that went to Puerto Rico to help.
The TNC hooks to the computer via bluetooth, but exactly how does the TNC hook to the radio. What port is used? I have a 15-year -old Yaesu VX-7R. Will that radio work with this? Thanks.
Reid Tillery the tnc essentially just sends audio to your radio. So it connects to the mic and speaker plug. You just need to figure out wiring and maybe PTT/VOX settings. Nearly any 2m FM can be used for APRS. Hope this helps. 73 DJ6KR
Very cool!
I remember over 20 years ago I heard a guy on 2 meters talking about chatting with someone using packet. Can you do stuff like that with this program? It is something I have been interested in for a while.
Jason Johnston you could, but direct messaging would be easier I guess, if possible.
Holy crap this is hard to follow ..... I want to try to use Winlink with my TNC3 like your title says. So what's this jump at 14:40 to an FT-450 ? Are you using the TNC3 to send over HF at all ? Very confused !!?!?
Do you need to be connected to the internet to do this?
How did you configure your mobilinked?
OK, I have had the Mobilinkd for quite some time now and always had to use an old serial TNC for Winlink and switch to the Mobilinkd for APRS to use the same radio and tablet. I have always told Mobilinkd owners, on the Mobilinkd FaceBook page, that they cannot use this for Winlink.
Then I saw this video and tried it again, using all the settings that you show us. I never got it to work, using the same port that I connect to when running the Mobilinkd configuration application. I repeat, using all the settings that you have shown in the video.
Winlink even says that it was able to initially connect to the serial port to initialize it, but when it tries to use that connection, the blue light stutters, never indicates a connection, and goes back to fast blink.
He might be using the newer TNC3, but it's unclear in the video. If I recall from reading the literature, the TNC3 has support for Winlink?
@@v12alpine I couldn't get it to work with the TNC2.2. I tried every conceivable setting! APRS was no problem with TNC2.2 and Winlink was no problem with Kenwood TNC. But TNC2.2 and Winlink I just cant get to work.
When I try the same setup with my Yaesu FT-65 handheld, it fails to complete the connection to the winlink gateway. It starts sending and receiving a couple of packets but at some point it stalls and fails. What could it be? Should I try to increase the TX latency or play with other settings?
PLay with some settings, do you have the squelch off? Does it seem like it is hanging on transmit? Do you have a good enough signal?
squelch open, it hangs after the handshake and before downloading the first pending email. I suspect the signal could be very low, I have to try nearer the winlink gate.
Sounds like the radio is the issue, TX RX circuit
HamRadioConcepts it may be! I will try with my 817ND as well and see if that works
Antonio Barba Did you ever get it to work with your 65 handheld?
Time for an update. Will a Mobilinkd-3 work with VARA FM?
Why would you want to?
Has anyone been able to get this to run winlink with an iPad yet? I cant find a video on this and it's all new to me. I am about to buy a Kantronics 3+ from a friend, but would rather run this from my go box so I can use my tablet off the 12 volt instead of needing ac to charge my laptop. This would allow me to run everything from my LiPo4 battery pack with solar backup and not need wall power.
This assumes the winlink servers are still reachable. Can you send email point to point?
yes you can
Which winlink version has winmor I dont seem to notice that on my current settings thank you I really appreciate your tutorial video 73 de KH2ZZ
Winmor is deprecated now
6:50 ...and a ham radio concept?
Can it send email to commercial email hosting like gmail outlook yahoo etc?
Yes I sent it to my gmail and ATT email..
Have you tried new protocol for hf and fm, the vara modem (now is integrated). ? Is very good and efficient!!:) 73 CT7AEL
why cant the radio communicate with the radio without an intermediate device?
Do I need a special sound card for HF? . I have am icom 7300.
you do not the ic-7300 has a built in sound card
@@tymullins6103 thanks, I'm new to this as you can tell. I'm a Tech and I'm planning on getting general at the end of the month.
+oscarpont your welcome I am a general and wish you luck on your upgrade
@@tymullins6103 thanks
Nice video. 73 from Port St. Lucie. ~Kc9eqm
terrific job Erick 73 my friend by safe from you friend Alvaro Kb2uew
Since it uses a com port and you are trying it with the baofeng, might it work using the usb programming cable with the serial uart in it?
Can a non-ham send emails to a ham using winlink?
No. UNfortunately you have to have an amateur license to transmit on any frequency that is a ham radio frequency.
It's my understanding that you can receive since the sender is sending it via internet to the gateway operator who then forwards it.
It seems that the Mobilinkd is unnecessary. Can't you plug the phono cable into the headphone jack of the laptop?
Whenever you use packet you need to have a modem in the chain between the computer and the radio. TNCs like the Mobilinkd basically are modems, but you can also use a Kantronics TNC, or you can use something like a Signalink with the UZ7HO Soundmodem software running on your computer. It isn't possible to simply select the soundcard in Winlink and have the radio transmit that audio out to another station because you need something to convert the audio "data" that is transmitted or received by the radio into data that the PC can understand.
@@kd5you1 Thanks for the details!
Can a technician use this or do they must have a general or extra
A tech can use it in the VHF/UHF bands, but not in the HF bands.
Ted Herman k thanks I appreciate it
shucks, i checked my local area. 20m 40m are the only locals and i only have vhf
Get upgraded man! Totally worth it!!
Winmor is no longer supported ...
Windows says it protected my PC by cancelling the winlink install. It says it could be dangerous! Is it? And if not Howe do I get around the “protection?”
No - not at all!
How about sending a REAL email, with 5MB of text and 5MB of jpgs
Because that is NOT its purpose
HAMs self-fueled illusion they are fundamental to damage control during natural disasters is beautifully stupid. Puerto Rico will benefit so much as a nation from your important email. Sure. 73.
Also the privacy issue by publishing distance and azimuth is a possible dealbreaker for more serious use.
Don’t get me wrong, your content is fine. Just the whole thing rubs me the wrong way. How about sending packets over that unguarded NATO satellite, coke bandits in South America are talking on?
You're absolutely right, there's no need for backups, I'm going to stop wearing my seat belt from now on, never needed it once in my life.
You really need to plan your videos! They are very hard to follow due to the lack of focus and ample rambling. "unscripted"is not good!