You will throw your die handles away after you watch this !!!
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- Die handles are the worst. My commercial die holder with a few slight modifications will make your life easier. Make one, buy one and breathe easier. Take a Look.
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If I owed you a beer for every useful tip you've taught me you'd own a share of a brewery by now. :)
I'll drink to that
My Father taught me way back 51 years ago that the only thing thread dies were good for was chasing threads out in the field . We have the lathes in the shop use them .
Yet another “why didn’t I think of that” moment, thanks Joe I’ll make one tomorrow.
Key board WARRIORS abound, as one scrolls down. Thanks Joe for your time!!
Wish I'd watched this 20 years ago. I worked as a machinist for a company who serviced industrial sewing machines. I've threaded thousands of remade off the wall looking screws , but I'd always use a single point over a die because of all the issues you brought up. 👍
another informative video lesson from prof joe. as some of our youtube creators have been moving towards infomercials and less towards machining you continue to stay the course. thanks joe. beautiful bike.
Thanks for the positive comment.
Several months ago I finished making a die holder for the mini lathe. It is 2 sided, one side fits round die and the other side I press fitted a hex holder into it. It was a bit of work and took time as I only worked on it and hour or two a month. Also, I made a morse taper #2 for the tailstock to hold the die holder. It was a rewarding project.
Floating die holder is the way to go! Thanks for all the time you dedicate to these great lessons.
I was a land surveyor 40 years and used precision instruments. Always wondered how they were made and considered taking a machine shop class to learn. Watching your videos is a real education. Thank you much!!!
Thanks for watching.
I’m guessing the fuzzed out box reads “Elect a clown”.
Love the hollow/floating die holder. What simple genius.
Your comment of hating to run a die preferring to cut with a single point tool, I have a different perspective.
Using old manual machines, usually threads are about the last operation on a work piece so I rough out the thread with a single point tool and finish with a die.
Starts everything nice and square, takes a pile of load off the die and saves me overshooting the precision cuts.
Thanks for the show.
Nice idea. If I need a perfect, straight thread on a piece of work, I usually chase it on my lathe. I have used dies in a holder and had drunken threads. Usually the dies are not for precise work.
Always worth my time. Cool bike...for a cruiser.
I never stop learning my trade watching your tutorials Joe! Your shop is about 5 miles from my house. I wouldn't mind coming to check it out. I've been machining for 15 years and trying to learn as much as possible.
Thank you so much for this! I've been looking for a video like this forever! Everytime I use a die nut, it never turns out exactly how I want, this helps a ton!
I'm glad I knew this in the past, and that I was able to use such a device, but a few days ago I had to cut a thread on a piece, where the tread was followed by an od of just 1mm more (aluminum) and the problem was, that the die always "gripped" onto the chamfer... I ended up stopping the lathe 2mm before that critical part and cut the rest by spinning the chuck carefully by hand... Your Cardboard trick is genius, I imagine it would be even better if you use a "credit card thick" plastic (especially for aluminum)
Thank you :)
Back in the day you could buy split dies with guide collets. They gave excellent results but just don't seem to be available new now. Available 2nd hand on ebay or in shops dealing with old tools. Grand old names like Greenfield and Little Giant and others.
Well, you learn something every day. Being a machinist/toolmaker for some 45 years, I have to admit the narrator is spot on with his handmade tool and what a great idea this is. Dies and die stocks are but a quick fix and will result in a poor thread if the die is not started dead square and never an easy thing to do. You're best using them just to extend an existing thread or perhaps dressing up a damaged area of thread.
Great video. I enjoyed it. I drive a 2002 vtx 1800 to work every day for the last seven years. I've gone to work on it in 23 degrees cold at 90 mph more than once. It's been in 40 mph gusts with lightning and rain and never missed a beat. It has never not started one time since I've had it and never left me on the road even while needing to change the feul pump. It has carried my miller STL 150 amp tig , stick welding machine to work more times than you can imagine. And the machine won't even budge from the bike even at 100 mph. I was forced to ride on some flooded roads where the muffler was under water and it still didn't stop. The Harley guys laugh when they see me with the welding machine on the back seat, but they are laughing from way behind me as it smokes them. Thanks for the vid. Dan
I wanted to make such a die-holder for the last ten years. Maybe this year, haha. Thanks for sharing, always enjoy your videos and opinion Joe!
Strange how often I run into you in the comments :) **wave**
Stefan, thanks for stopping by. This is a good little tool for the box. Make the time.
Crank it up Joe , we want to hear it !
I also have been planing to make one of these die holders but for some reason this project always seems to get shoved to the back burner but your video has refreshed my desire to get it done. Thanks for another great video!
Dear Joe,
thank you for another good video. I am a jobbing carpenter and a hobby machinist so I mention this not for your benefit as that would really be telling Grandma how to suck eggs but for those who are watching. On my very small lathe I often struggled to grip stock sufficiently to use my tailstock die holder. The part would often slip in the three jaw. At the time I had no collet chuck. I therefore took to using hexagonal stock when using the die holder and turning the rest of the component after the thread was formed. Hex' stock can not slip in the three jaw chuck.
With taps and dies after the newly cut threads start to self feed on to or into the work DO NOT push the cutter into the work as you can over cut the thread. Also when you are removing the cutter let the threads push the cutter off of the work DO NOT pull the tap or die for the same reason. I know most everybody that watches Joe knows this, but there might be somebody that doesn't.
Solid advice.
The screw is there to make the die smaller for a 90 or 100 % thread. Most threads are 80% deep. Some hard materials might need to start at 60 and work up.
Love the mod to your die holder! I'll be making one. Thanks for sharing!
Cool bike! Great project for me today with the die holder. Thanks for sharing both your educational materials and your projects. Wonderful.
I use a very similar system but I dont have a lathe. I use it in the drill press.
Boy, the comments on this one are gonna be something else..
I'm enjoying them so far.
Joe Pieczynski It’s a bold strategy. Maybe it’ll pay off for you.
I love your channel, I’ve learned a lot.
I will be less inclined to watch future videos if it’s going to turn political.
I’m so sick of politics, I can’t accurately verbalize it.
Please don’t ruin what you’ve got going.
@@BellyUpFish I never intended for a political shit show. I'd really rather never go down that road. I edited the comment on the white board to calm the waters a bit. I appreciate your support and assure you, no more politics, implied or otherwise.
Joe Pieczynski Awesome.
@@joepie221 my community are made up of Farmer's, Cowboys' & fishermen so you never know. Taking my passion & with your long distance tutoring & mentoring I could do North Kohala some good. Like I mentioned before, I learned what litte I know in priosn. I got in to a College Extension which was open to onytheGarage Workline. Learn welding fro my Daddy's kid brother, Lloyd... my Uncle, my Best Friend & my Other Dad" from the age of 14. Prison taught me Machining. I just want to put it all to practice. And bea service to my Community.
Great little tool, and nice mod you did to it, thanks for sharing! Nice bike, I had a 2007 VTX 1300C, it was an awesome bike, not a stitch of trouble the entire time I had it. Safe travels!
I love your tips Joe! Helping me become better with every video!
My ancient seer said that the side with the etched writing was the lead - apparently the side the die is cut from gets the etch tool. Now I am ancient I am passing it on 🤗
I have found that to be true most of the time.
I didn't need ANYBODY to tell me that the side of the die with the lead on it is the side that is the lead. I use my EYES.
Do you need to have an "ancient seer" to tell you which end of a claw hammer is used to hit the nails?
PS: Your advice about the etched writing is about as idiotic as you telling people that the writing on the claw hammer is how you work out what each end of the claw hammer is used for.
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that is nice for plastic and small diameter threads but as soon you go slightly bigger in metal
(like 3/8" = 10 mm and bigger) the forces can become dangerous to your fingers, i speak from experience sind i tried a similar method.
I love all three parts of your video. The classroom, the machining and the byke.
Thanks for the "getting the die on straight" and nice looking bike !!! GREAT VIDEO
Most videos that demonstrate a machining process are done using steel. I liked how you used the the nylon or similar material. Even if those blanks were as expensive or even more expensive than the steel it would still be worth it when you consider tool wear, breakage etc. It reminded me of my college CNC Programming course. It was a "bare bones" program that nobody had ever heard of before and I've never heard of since but it was a CNC Program and the basics were learned using it. To make the part for the final exam we used what they then called, "machinist wax". It was a very good idea as many people messed up and the tool would traverse right through the blank workpeice which would, if using steel, break the cutter and scrap the part. I suspect that's a handy medium for doing prototype work as well as being used for teaching/demonstration. As for your die holder, very impressive. I think I need one of those!
I believe he used nylon so he didn't have to show the shortcoming of his power die method. Using metal would require him to reverse rotate frequently to break off chips.
A sliding tailstock die and tap holder have been around for years.
You always have great videos Joe, thank you. Ride safe out there man.
Its was great to talk with you at the Bash. Really fun to see you greet your many fans. I love the straight forward instructional style of your videos. Thanks Joe Pie
I am truly flattered by the support. It was great to meet all of you as well.
Thanks Joe,
My tailstock die holder has a shaft with a MT2 on one end that fits in the tailstock so you don’t have to use a drill chuck.
BTW getting some popcorn to read the comments, quite amusing being outside the US and looking in 😂😂😂
Cheers
Saw the saying on a bumper sticker this week. I thought it was spot on.
A wise man said “we squint at the sun because it’s bright, but we squint at people because their not” 😂😂😁
@@joepie221 Are you saying that Trump is a clown? Do I have that spot on?
@@texasman1836 Tell us what part of the country you live in.
@@texasman1836 Why is it, everyone immediately associates the words Clown and Elect with Trump. 252 comments and not one of you asked what it means.
I'm thinking about making one... with a Morse Taper including the free-wheel effect.
Good video. I want to learn all I can about Manual Machining. I know a little bit, but not enough.
One day at a time. Safety always first.
@@joepie221 Amen, Machining is my Rehabilitation.
IFF 1” dies suffice there is a commercial product $35. littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=2314&category=
Joe I think this is one of your best videos! You had some great suggestions on how to keep the die square to the axis of rotation. That's something that always plagued me whenever I had to use a die..... I would just sort of feel my way through, trying to keep it straight - but very seldom accomplishing that successfully.
And that procedure for running a finished thread right up to the shoulder..... That's just brilliant!
Excellent idea! Thanks for showing. Gonna have to make one.
I love how background details equates to 'putting politics' into your machining videos. Wow, people. Just wow.
Great video, though. I don't actually have significant machinery at this point in my life, so it's rare that I can really engage with the content of your videos.
After 40 yrs as a Tool & Die Maker, my threading die set is virtually in mint condition... ie: used ONLY as a last resort or for simply chasing a thread.
Mine as well.
Hi Joe, over here in the UK and majority of our dies being metric are without the split for adjusting the thread to be tight or baggy, rule of thumb we go by is that 99% of manufacturers etch the lead in side having the thread size information on that side. That’s one we remember, keep the good work going as we enjoy your shows....Phil
Thanks Phil.
I made one very similar to yours but a large die holder one end and small die the other on a shaft and the shaft had a morse taper. Made it in my apprenticeship 1966. Nice one Joe!! I was taught to undercut the end thread. Never seen another. On steel used by hand only.
Flippin' awesome! Who the hell gave this a thumbs down?
Maybe somebody because of the fake Harley at the end.
Maybe someone that didnt like his reference to uncle sniffy sleepy joe that was elected by the media.
Iv been a machinist for almost 20 years. I thought those round things were mechanics tools designed to make my job harder kinda like easy out's. 😊
Another very good show and tell Joe. Keep them coming. Nice bike; had a shaft drive and never had to touch it
Very cool! As soon as I get a lathe this will definitely be the first thing I make.
Didn't know that you could reverse dies to finish the last bit of thread
Learn something every day
I'm 63 still toolmaking and I didn't know that either never stop learning
I didn't understand that they could have different ends: maybe that's why some of mine have cracked. I always learn something new when I watch these videos.
Great idea. How does that work when your threading steel or stainless ?
Just fine. But dont use power, and don't rest one handle against a board or bar. The die will have a one sided influence and end up with whats called a DRUNKEN condition. Others have advised it as good practice, and its not. 2 handles, 2 hands. Simple.
Thanks Sir for the education! Your channel has helped me immensely in the shop. Keep the Vids coming!
Great topic and demonstration.
Thanks for sharing, and best regards from the UK.
Good video.... I have often made dies from nuts and even made taps from dies made from nuts as well as making taps from bolts then with those cutting dies ... Just get hardened steel nuts or at least harder than what you are tapping..... Of course in your video you did plastic and a steel blank being threaded would put more torque on the tap holder and so you should use longer arms and turn slower for safety.... When in doubt do it by hand
I watched this and threw my dies away. Now I have no dies
I'm not a machinist, but I just bought a nice set of tap and dies second hand and I'm getting some minor rust off of them now. I got them for $15 just in case sometime I needed to repair or make something work. My dad and I had a small MOTORCYCLE, (loved the end of your vid with the bike) and he never thought me the details of the way to use these. So glad I found this to teach me the proper use of these tools. You're a master teacher as well as knowing your stuff about machining. Grade "A" THANK YOU!
Thank you.
A floating die holder is a very cool idea!
Think I'll build myself one.
The Dies with the screws are nice because you can cut threads a litte at a time as if doing it on the lathe. You don't cut full depth on the first pass.
You know I watch A lot of these type of videos, and and I always wind up rolling my eyes because of the way people deliver the information… Either they’re trying to be some sort of “character “or I just can’t stand them… You’ve got it perfect. I can listen to you and learn things without feeling insulted if that makes any sense. I appreciate it
Thanks for that.
what the hell are you even talking about? I want an example of a similar type content show where the host is doing what you claim.
Joe : Video good as far as techniques and adapters go. BUT - your suggestion of reversing the die to finish the thread to the very end is, I think, faulted. Dies do have the chamfer on one side to indicate the starting side for your threading (making the start easier), but it is also the side which has the internal die threads cutting in the correct direction.
To explain, think of the typical drill bit; besides it's sharpness, the cutting edge has a relief so that only this edge cuts, and the rest of the drill's front body doesn't contact the material it cuts through. The same is true of a die's threads. They also are relieved to cut only on the leading edge, and produce the "chips" we are all familiar with. And are designed to cut in only ONE direction (usually CW).
Reversing the die in the holder and screwing over what threads are cut puts the non-cutting edge to the front, and forces the die to sort of 'climb over' any new material it encounters rather than cut it. Hence the 'broken teeth / broken die' you refer to. Probably works with your plastic or nylon, but not so much with metal.
Haven't seen other comments re this; though I'd add it.
I made a die holder like the one in this video but without the handles more than 15 years ago. I use it a bit differently though; I chuck it tight in the tailstock, turn the lathe on then turn it off in 5-6 seconds…while it is still spinning I ram the tailstock onto the work-piece. This way it cuts about 4-5 threads on it and stops but most importantly ensures that the die starts perfectly straight…then I continue manually with the die holder that came with my tap and die set.
I actually do the same with taps on a lathe too. That way taps go in perfectly straight as well.
I seriously have to make a tail stock die holder one of these days. I like your idea of using the pilot from the tail stock and making the die holder free floating on it, so that will have to be part of the design. Thanks for sharing!
I've never seen a die like that before. America just seems to have alot more engineering workshop stuff compared to Australia :(
Can see what engineering shops do wrong here when I've got them to thread nylon rod... now to just get a lathe and make that adaptor ;)
Sutton make them. They are readily available in Melbourne.
On point, will share this one also. Too bad some viewers aren't happy with white board. Wtf they need to grow up. Great tool and camera work as always, NICE way to get to work !
Thanks.
Great info Joe. Just love your videos, so much good useful info.
Quite agree with many of your observations... good many things I have found that help over the years. I often point cut first and run a die round thread to finish - plus, rarely use a die for course thread - way too hard! I made my own tailstock die holder long ago which of course maintains axial truth - at least for a start over first couple of turns.
Nice refresher Joe. :)
I had a VTX 1300 until I had to sell due to hip trouble. Miss the 13 years of riding i had on it.
"Elect a Clown, Expect a Circus" :)
I still think thats funny and relative.
Why blur out "elect a clown" at the top of the white board?
Keep the trolls at arms length. This is not a political channel.
Thank you for sharing, as always good tips and demonstrations, have a good day Mr. Piecznski
Thanks joe looks beautiful.
I never did any cave diving but did plenty of ice diving
And thanks for sharing
12:30, nono, that's not a mistake that's uhm just the threading gutter.
Yea, thats it...thread gutter. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.
The writing is always on the lead side
When I was in school 40 years ago, I made a die holder for my Dad, that he wanted to run the threads farther along some U-Bolts he needed for something. I've never seen one like this though. Pretty cool if you're using dies. Dies are not accurate enough for most of the work I encounter in my work, so it's single point almost all of the time. In the past, I have worked with the Geometric Die Head, which will thread to a stop, at which point the jaws retract. Those are really handy for production runs. Great video. Thanks for the new idea!
I have a different looking for holder I made 30 years ago out of steel it fits inside of a standard 3/4 tool holder. Works like a champ. I have chased many threads . I ran a chucker for a few years in the 80s
Are you kidding? Showing us the Honda but not letting us hear the engine and do some rev sound check?
@@texasman1836 Sewing machine Honda, or concrete mixer full of rocks Hardley Ableson, decisions, decisions.
@@ferrumignis LOL hahaha! All my Harley parts that sound like they are full of rocks already fell off and are on the side of the road somewhere.
unloosen is a perfectly cromulent word.
I use it all the time. Bothers a lot of people.
Like taking it out of the freezer to “unthaw”
Nice job Joe, We need 300 pcs. by noon time so we can ship them to our customer. Just kidding I use to work production and now I'm a retired tool maker. I enjoy all your videos and you do a great job of explaining things, keep up the good work I'm looking forward to your next one.
I've learned a lot from your videos and I can't wait to get my first lathe and started.
99% of dies have the size/writting on the lead
how can this be news to anyone that runs a lathe .... and remember dies are kind of a last resort , if you have a lathe you single point the thread, much better quality
did you watch the video?
@@joepie221 yup, sure did....
Very nice bike, Joe! Thanks for the die threading tips.
Cheers, Gary
we used to have the same kind of set up, but we used a bar in the tool post instead of holding the die holder by hand. set correctly the die handle simply fell of the bar in the toolpost. great idea. for just a few off though, a real pain on the hands when doing it all day. keep up the good work.
Another good tip with an un-necessary click bait title
100% agreed. Totally clickbait.
Didn't think he would stoop so low. Thanks, now I can focus on the more serious channels.
Joe pie gets a pass in my book, the fact that the content is actually valuable makes it not bother me
If you know how to do all this then move on.... No need for your crappy opinions. This is obviously for people who are learning. You know it's all jerks just go away.
Could have explained it all in 2mins though. I hate giving up 20mins of my life for 2mins of info. (Besides we have a planet to save and this all costs a ton of electricity when combined. Online adverts should be carbon taxed)
I hope this is solely for plastic threads, I wouldn’t want to cradle that with two hands on a steel thread.
Might need some longer shoulder bolts, for that!
Don't do it under power on tougher material. Just use the exact same setup.
I regularly thread the ends of 10mm steel rod for about 100mm (4") using 40rpm chuck speed and a 10mm button die in a full size die holder (+/-18") on a 24" swing lathe. It's all in the way you hold the die holder, i.e. if for any reason the die holder wants to start turning with the job, it easily can without trying to take your hand/s with it and because my pieces are around 3ft long I can have the die around 6 - 12" from the chuck which is a good thing.
Great video. Definitely going to make one of these now. Thank you for sharing this!
Cool setup! Thanks!
Hmmmm, not a Trump fan then? Good idea about the cardboard protector. Hadn't thought about that.
Make America great wish we had him here in UK fantastic president
It's not a die handle. It's a die stock!
I kept looking for the part about the handle! LOL
I'm new to using a lathe. I find your information great. Thanks for taking time to educate a newbe,
Excellent video Joe ! I like the cardboard tip as well !
I won't throw any of my tools away after watching a video, you can be sure. My tools are precious and they costed a huge buttload of money. I use them and if just one breaks I become angry and frustrated.
Also I have found that even cheap and or broken tools have their uses
One of the very first projects I did when I bought my new lathe: photos.app.goo.gl/StrRqSaxo2ETWoHU8
Nice.
Amazing job!
Great video, Joe! I have a similar die holder, but it utilizes a 1.5" round aluminum bar that has a round pocket bored in each end for the two smaller sized dies, (13/16" on one end and 1" on the other) with screw holes drilled and tapped to retain and drive the die like any die holder. A hole is drilled and reamed through the center of the bar, to accept a long steel shaft that's held in the tailstock chuck. The outside of the aluminum bar is lightly knurled to provide friction for your hand. No need to turn the tailstock crank to move the quill, and you can lock the tailstock to the bed if you want. No spinning bars to hang up on anything, and since it's double ended, it accepts two sizes of dies. It could be made larger, for the bigger dies, but you might need those bars, (shoulder bolts) for the extra torque, or coarser knurls.
Some great engineering wisdom generously shared Joe Thanks a million.
From another Joe in Ireland - nice bike enjoy
11:48 Must be the Russian's fault
I called them 1200 times for advice.
You have to go through Rachel Maddow Joe. Seems to be an expert in consp.. ermm i mean Russian affairs
Are you a teacher? Because you should be one.
Thank you. I've trained many apprentices and written my fair share of technical manuals. I enjoy it.
nice video Joe,thanks for sharing.
Another great video Joe!
"elect a clown expect a circus" that's awesome!!
Elect a clown, clean up for a circus!
Sounds like your crack is still stinging from the loss of your war criminal candidate. Have you tried Vagisil?
Guys, don't you have some Info Wars episodes to catch up on or something? Or are you just going to cry on the internet all night?
@@caseyquillen6073 Don't you have some babies to abort? Or drag queen storytime readings for kids? Or primaries to rig? Or more wars to start? Or more Americans to kill via targeted drone strikes?
@@texasman1836 chill out, you sound like a Democrat.