I somehow missed it. I was stunned when he turned and looked at her. I'm usually quite perceptive, but I get so engrossed in what I'm watching and immersed I lose myself 😅
actually at the beginnig of the episode Joe said "I could bash your fucking head in, jog your memory" to the guy Butcher Kidnapped so yeah pretty much not only negan vibes but some references as well
No one is talking about Sameer, but I just feel bad for the guy. Sitting there and watching your captor losing his sanity & talk to ghosts probably isn't mentally warming.
As well as the, "Shut your fucking cake hole," which was said by Butcher to Frenchie at Season 3's finale when The Boys confronted him and Soldier Boy.
I was thinking that this was such a serious plot twist and then it hard cuts to Butcher pouring liquor on the table and a lady walking past him talking to himself 😂
Nah you turn because you're not listening, but you hear someone and not sure if the words are directed at you, themselves, someone else or a phone call. Its less "They're weird" and more, "They talkin to me? Guess not."
Nah butcher is gonna be dead in a few months the tumour is probably programmed to act out on Billy’s deepest subconscious thoughts which is why we got becca and joe as butcher is indecisive as hell rn and can’t make up his mind whether to kill all supes including ryan for the greater good of humanity or to convince Ryan to leave homelander
Butcher should have realized that Kessler is his lethal weapon against Homelander in the future. I mean, obliterating Ezekiel in just a form of a small parasite is already an impressive feat.
I am wondering though, is is still a "small" parasite ? I mean did it take over his body, cause Ezekiel was still stronger than a mere human. Or did it come out to rip him to shreds ? If so, what kind of monstrosity are we dealing with now ? And I was thinking that Billy is looking pretty healthy now, is this thing helping to keep him alive now ? If so, than it is a symbiote now and no longer a parasite.
@@matthewcastro2230 I mean it’s fair to say that Billy’s hatred towards supes is pretty well known and that if he was making a virus that was targeting supes that he probably told him how he’d want them all dead- but it was already pretty clear that Joe was all in butcher’s head.
It’s a bit of a shame, it would have been so amazing to see “Negan” interact with Homelander. That being said JDM is still one of the very best actors on television.
@@Emidretrauqe Clearly someone hasn't watched all TV shows. He's not the best. White men always think they're the best when they're not. They reboot movies form South Korea
@@axelerhate9705 yea sure he is killing it in The Boys and was great in The Walking Dead also but other than that people generally don't know who he is I notice
I can understand why people love the Venom movies but in terms of a psychological horror aspect to it, this is more of what I was looking for. And it’s done beautifully
What is more hilarious.. there’s got to be some point where Butcher let Kessler did the interrogations (he said “you cracked him yet?”) so it’s basically Butcher leaving the poor dude alone for night(s) 😂
From 2:00 to 2:07 it reminds me of Batman Arkham knight, where joker wins over Batman mind and says to Alfred through Bruce “ Don’t you worry Alfred, your new master is coming home “
Basically what happened in the animated the boys: diabolical. Except it hasn't progressed that far yet when it comes to the V-ed up tumor escaping and absorbing everything around it(bears, deers etc)
He is not just a hallucination. Its his tumor,there is a seperate conscience there. Its like calling Venom a hallucination to Eddy Brock,like when Eddy saw him in the reflection of the car. Kessler is just how he sees him as. When Kessler walks away it means he is stepping in the back of Butchers brain. Ofcourse Kessler has Butchers characteristics cause the tumor still sprouted from his brain. Its a branch on the same tree
what makes his reveal that much better that from the start of the scene it's very back and fourth, Rebecca talking left, Joe talking right, with the tension rising and then Joe yells at her, the camera moves showing both of them and then finally... silence.
I figured it out pretty quickly he wasn’t real given how nobody else interacted with Joe, still the reveal was still shocking in the sense in how it took place and how well executed it is
Joe kessler is literally Comic butcher mentality he heard the words “contagious, airbone” and went Rogue. Edit: also the scary thing about all this is how butcher’s eyes widen Twice it shows how Fucked up this sounds and the slightest bit of reconsideration about the idea just to kill homelander
@@rand_xcurse6884They could still go about making Butcher the final threat, especially since he isn't there. One theory that I've seen is that his tumor might become a threat due to an episode of the Boys diabolical which had a Vd up tumor free of its host's body going on a rampage.
I haven’t read the comic But i Think homelander was already dead when Butcher wanted to use the virus and it just seems a little out of character for show Butcher to use for a reason that isn’t homelander
@riderchallenge4250 it's bc people saw leaks of the show and others pretended to just predict that he was a hallucination. We're on the internet for goodness sake not many people are smart
It’s better to have a non shocking reveal that the audience can predict rather than the JJ Abrams style “reveals” that are only shocking because they make no sense and were never foreshadowed that we’ve been getting for years.
It would've been way better if they hadn't straight up shown every single detail everyone already knew about and then explained it several times. It's like the writers are dumbing down the audience for no reason.
This shows casting is on a whole other level. Giancarlo Esposito, underrated gems such as JDM, Karl Urban and Anthony Star. Giancarlo gives a 10/10 performance as always, Anthony Star has slowly made Homelander one of my favorite villains of all time probably in the top 3 best acted villains. Karl Urban's performance as Butcher has made me realize all the projects he's been in and how underrated he is. Finally one of my person favorite actors that is overall under appreciated in in the show. This show is peak.
This would be a pretty cool scene if you haven't heard of the Kessler hallucination theory. The audience knows that Rebecca is hallucinated but not Joe, so it would be really shocking when he scolded her like that.
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I know everyone predicted that Kessler was only in Butcher's imagination, but him turning to Becca and shouting is still such a great Wham Shot.
I somehow missed it. I was stunned when he turned and looked at her.
I'm usually quite perceptive, but I get so engrossed in what I'm watching and immersed I lose myself 😅
Honestly everyone was so suspicious of Butcher friend be fake that the fact they are could become plot twist.
I agree
I didn't predict he was a hallucination until Kessler repeated Butcher's they all gotta go line. But I also wasn't really giving it much thought
Everyone got spoiled by that fucking leaker on Instagram, and it got out like cloud, they didn't discover it themselves
That Negan's vibe is still there
I keep seeing him as Negan like how I keep seeing Simon from TWD as Trevor from GTA 😭
@@hillwoop9101 I know right, the way he talks and his word choices, it's shoo Negan
actually at the beginnig of the episode Joe said "I could bash your fucking head in, jog your memory" to the guy Butcher Kidnapped so yeah pretty much not only negan vibes but some references as well
I think it’s meant to be butcher bc butcher said that too
The first rule of Vought is you do not talk about Compound V.
No one is talking about Sameer, but I just feel bad for the guy. Sitting there and watching your captor losing his sanity & talk to ghosts probably isn't mentally warming.
He’s already missing a limb dawg
not to mention he literally lost his leg
I hope he doesnt die.
I know it doesn't matter much, but the word you wanted to use is 'captor', not capturer.
@@Xylarxcode☝🤓 (yeah, you're right mate, i'm just joking)
So basically, negan is Butcher's reznov.
FOR YOU MA-
Negan? I thought of Edward Blake.
Negan? I thought this was a Winchester family reunion show.
I didn’t think of it that way you know
what is reznov? I've seen a few comments mentioned that
Majority of the people knew Kessler wasn't real, yet were captivated on seeing how the show revealed it. Brilliant writing
Most of the people who "knew" were the ones on the message boards and reddit.
I never read the books and I already knew he wasn’t real, he never did anything and just laid back as butcher did the work
the moment I saw the Becca, that's when I knew. So almost instantly.
@@radicaIizedThere's no character like Kessler in the comics, dawg
@@geminiandromeda8082I mean the comics and show are so far apart like Black Noir is literally his own character
tyler durden moment
Yes lol i expect them to make some sort of reference
@@1998jroythey already did
@@Vergil0168 like a bit more
Dude he literally poors the beer on the ground just like the narrator
Elliot and Mr robot As well lol
Oh I get it
Rebecca is the Angel on his left shoulder
And Joe Kessler is the Devil on his right shoulder
Plot twist, they're on the opposite shoulders!
Duh
Kinda of wholesome he sees Becca as his angel.
@@adriansepulveda9452 i mean, becca is the only reason why he didnt merc ryan yet
@@martinalegre5524 He did think about it
that 'dont you worry, daddy is home' is the line that buthcer said to hughie in season 2. He is literally talking to himself with his own lines.
As well as the, "Shut your fucking cake hole," which was said by Butcher to Frenchie at Season 3's finale when The Boys confronted him and Soldier Boy.
Negans home
1:16 The way he poured the drink on the table cracked me up 😭
Pour one for your dead homie
It’s even funnier how he hallucinated the cup. They coulda had it be that he himself placed two cups on the table.
@@spideyfan1278 Yeah, but I don't think Butcher is so far gone he was super imposing his actions onto the hallucination. That would be significant.
I was thinking that this was such a serious plot twist and then it hard cuts to Butcher pouring liquor on the table and a lady walking past him talking to himself 😂
it was a fight club reference. props to the writer lol
Bro think he Reznov 😭😭😭
Lol
Who!?
What do the numbers mean ?
Why you asking me I don't know
Is it 3?
@@edenramos9686Call of Duty Black Ops 1 reference.
Johnny Silverhand talking to V
This trope is so played out at this point but I still love it.
u mean Songbird talking to Silverhand ?
V talking to Johnny Silverhand*
@@Emidretrauqe The classic Jekyll and Hyde trope but it's always better when they're both aware of each other's existence.
I was just literally thinking that just as I found this comment, talk about freaky lol
He's the mixture of venom and that Brad Pitts character from fight club
From where?
@@MarksCircleBox don't talk about it
@@tareklegrand7747 I understood that reference!
"that brad pitt's character" lmao
@@MarksCircleBox Rule no 1 of the Fight Club.....
Sameer : 👁👄👁
Samir
The name was spelled Sameer in the subtitles I think
@@randomguest2901 no, its Sameer. Dont correct someone without checking first my guy
The audience: 👁️👄👁️
@@randomguest2901 L + ratio + ggez + rekt -10000 aura
Most unrealistic part was a random jogger reacting someone talking to themselves in 2024.
Yeah Butcher could have been listening to a phone call.😂😂😂
i’d react like that too if i saw karl urban in a park
Nah you turn because you're not listening, but you hear someone and not sure if the words are directed at you, themselves, someone else or a phone call.
Its less "They're weird" and more, "They talkin to me? Guess not."
@@Netherwolf6100The unrealistic part is the jogger not having airpods in.
@@dhgmrz17 he can be old timer))
So basically, Butcher is Negan. We are Negan.
Why doesn't this have more likes?
"I killed Ezekiel for you"
WHY ARENT MORE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THIIIIIIIIS
Makes sense why his V'd up tumor would want the rest of the supes gone so he can reign supreme alone.
True, but the Virus would also kill him as well, unless there was something I missed.
The tumor will die too you smart
Nah butcher is gonna be dead in a few months the tumour is probably programmed to act out on Billy’s deepest subconscious thoughts which is why we got becca and joe as butcher is indecisive as hell rn and can’t make up his mind whether to kill all supes including ryan for the greater good of humanity or to convince Ryan to leave homelander
@@achmadfauzan507 Unless you have some V'd up chemo that tumor has nothing to fear.
@@Tython82 I think naturally a tumor would be immune to it, V or not.
Butcher should have realized that Kessler is his lethal weapon against Homelander in the future.
I mean, obliterating Ezekiel in just a form of a small parasite is already an impressive feat.
well he took over his body so he didnt do it as a small parasite
Ezekiel would get one shot by Homelander in a second. Taking him out doesn't mean he's as strong as HL
@@joseluis5055 ezekiel could take MM, the same MM that owned Soldier Boy
@@Rodrigo_A1 bro this is not the comic how do people not get this
I am wondering though, is is still a "small" parasite ? I mean did it take over his body, cause Ezekiel was still stronger than a mere human. Or did it come out to rip him to shreds ? If so, what kind of monstrosity are we dealing with now ?
And I was thinking that Billy is looking pretty healthy now, is this thing helping to keep him alive now ? If so, than it is a symbiote now and no longer a parasite.
Many giveaways that Joe wasn’t real but the biggest one is quoting Butcher on something he wasn’t there for
The “they all gotta go, every last one of them.” line?
@@number1foolyup
@@number1foolyes
@@matthewcastro2230 I mean it’s fair to say that Billy’s hatred towards supes is pretty well known and that if he was making a virus that was targeting supes that he probably told him how he’d want them all dead- but it was already pretty clear that Joe was all in butcher’s head.
It’s a bit of a shame, it would have been so amazing to see “Negan” interact with Homelander. That being said JDM is still one of the very best actors on television.
We could still see "Negan" (i.e. the tumor) do just that...
Or the Comedian.
Imaginary Kessler can interact with imaginary Homelander. 😅😅😅
@@Emidretrauqe Clearly someone hasn't watched all TV shows. He's not the best. White men always think they're the best when they're not. They reboot movies form South Korea
@@nilesstark It's all a joke...
Literally arkham knight where joker takes over batman's body for a moment
The exact same thing came to mind
Far better written than Arkham Knight
The actor nails it so well, he replicates Butcher's expressions and accent which solidifies "I am you"
Jdm is great
@@RipVanWinkle13 He literally portrayed a hallucination and that hallucination is among the top of the season for me
@@kaana8421 fr
They are portraying Psychosis really well.
This is Dissociative Identity Disorder not Psychosis
@@keepitg770 Isn't that technically a form of psychosis?
but this is more real
@@keepitg770 but i think they cant hallucinate a dead person
@@keepitg770 But Butcher is hallucinating other people. DID makes you think you *are* other people.
He went from Joe Kessler to Negan REAL FAST lol😅
I like that Butcher figures it out this way, as opposed to having a "Who are you talking to?" moment with Sameer
*the pixies - where is my mind plays*
This guy thinks I'm real
I was really waiting for it at the end
Tyler Durden is real
Butcher to Becca:"you met me at a very strange time in my life"
jeffrey dean morgan is such an underrated actor. he is too good
So underrated that everybody keeps telling how good he is, yeah thats really underrated
@@axelerhate9705 yea sure he is killing it in The Boys and was great in The Walking Dead also but other than that people generally don't know who he is I notice
@@XionLuis you are right. It's just that this word underrated has been bastardized so much for me I can't stand it anymore
So good I went back to watch him in TWD
@@axelerhate9705fr I saw a mf saying “wow Robert Downey jr is so underrated” 😭😭
The greatest villain is your inner self, your subconscious.
Kessler is comic book Butcher talking to show Butcher. Funny thing is I always thought comic Butcher looked similar to Negan.
I can understand why people love the Venom movies but in terms of a psychological horror aspect to it, this is more of what I was looking for. And it’s done beautifully
Lmao butch pouring whiskey for his imaginary friend is hilarious 😂
What is more hilarious.. there’s got to be some point where Butcher let Kessler did the interrogations (he said “you cracked him yet?”) so it’s basically Butcher leaving the poor dude alone for night(s) 😂
Of course he’s a tough nut to crack, you air punched that nut 💀
this is just making me more curious about billy’s past and why he abandoned the real joe
Butcher is NOT a good person. I can defo see him doing that.
Butcher is a piece of shit, I’m not surprised he left him to die.
@@rodddwaze5086Probably out of fear rather than cruelty
Knowing Butcher, to save his own arse.
He probably felt guilty about it all these years and in his mind he thinks he abandoned his friend
"Dragovich, Kravchenko, Steiner..must die."
Butcher having his own fight club scenario is probably the best thing the writers have done for him
The "Daddys Home" at the end was just the cherry on top 🍒
COD BO flashbacks of Reznov 💀
repent to God Christ is the way the truth and the life
The numbers, Mason! What do they mean?
@@Baggerz182
Every journey begins with a single step. This.. IS STEP ONE!
I think next episode is gonna be a flashback to when billy left Joe to die
That would be awesome one hour of action!
From 2:00 to 2:07 it reminds me of Batman Arkham knight, where joker wins over Batman mind and says to Alfred through Bruce “ Don’t you worry Alfred, your new master is coming home “
Ah yes. Walking dead and the boys cross over. What a time to be a fan of both shows.
This was a very Fight Club-esque reveal.
This is like the R-rated version of Negan.
Glad a good chunk of people got the whole Reznov vibe
"I killed Ezekiel for you"
So... Kessler did that?
Well the Ved up tumour did so yeah it's the same thing at this point
Kessler is the manifestation of the tumor. If he wants to have access to his powers, he basically has to give in to the evil part of him I think.
Basically what happened in the animated the boys: diabolical.
Except it hasn't progressed that far yet when it comes to the V-ed up tumor escaping and absorbing everything around it(bears, deers etc)
Very fight club esque.
Yes Kessler is the tumor using the form of butchers dead friend.
Who else thought about hughie when joe said "Daddy's Home"
This twist got me so damn good.
Never would've expected it.
Haven't been plot twisted in forever.
Love this show
This is certified fight club moment
deadass peeople found out only because this a weekly series if you binge watch it'd probably be a great plot twist
2:01 I love the recreation at the end of the first episode of the second season they did here
If Kessler can control Butcher, does that mean Becca can too? I can hilariously imagine Butcher acting all mummy to Ryan.
That would be hot
He is not just a hallucination.
Its his tumor,there is a seperate conscience there.
Its like calling Venom a hallucination to Eddy Brock,like when Eddy saw him in the reflection of the car.
Kessler is just how he sees him as.
When Kessler walks away it means he is stepping in the back of Butchers brain.
Ofcourse Kessler has Butchers characteristics cause the tumor still sprouted from his brain.
Its a branch on the same tree
i love th daddys home line
its what butcher says when hes back
We gotta give JDM some credit here this "Daddy is home." gave me fcking chills!!!
Don’t you worry billy my boy…. Negan’s home
“THE NUMBERS MASON!”
I love how we all predicted this happening ahead of time, but then this reveal happened and STILL managed to shock me.
This gives me such strong Fight Club vibes 😂
did anyone see bill butcher pupil changing size repeteadly
Man I swear I thought he was real this was insane 😂😂😂
what makes his reveal that much better that from the start of the scene it's very back and fourth, Rebecca talking left, Joe talking right, with the tension rising and then Joe yells at her, the camera moves showing both of them and then finally... silence.
Definitely has that Winchester tendency to kill everything nonhuman in sight.
Negan is Venom lol 😂
When I saw the announcement I was hoping to see JDM as a supe villan like homelander or soldier boy. But this is great too
Butcher got the Reznov treatment
Same vibes in the twd when negan says Dwighty boy😂😂😂😂
I figured it out pretty quickly he wasn’t real given how nobody else interacted with Joe, still the reveal was still shocking in the sense in how it took place and how well executed it is
nahh... bro at the back flabbergasted 💀💀💀
0:16 When you realize that Joe Kessler was pointing to Becca when he said “is that a fucking joke” 🫨
Mr. Robot vibes with that reveal which is awesome
Butcher’s powers remind me of Logan Ninefingers. The ability to talk to spirits and can enter a berserk mode when his life is in danger.
Theyre not spirits, just parts of his mind in form of people that died
His powers are more similar to venoms
My name. Is WILLIAM. BUTCHER!! And I will HAVE! MY! REVENGE!
Victor Reznov ahh moment 😂
0:16 JDM still acting like he got that Negan bandage on
Reznov - Remember Vorkuta...Meyson
Mayson - Reznov...
"Slowly by slowly you were letting yourself become Joe Kessler"
I missed the episode because of the holiday, but had this part spoiled because your video popped up in my suggested feed.
Hate when people do that. Spoilers are everywhere now and it’s selfish.
2:04 *Pressure starts playing*
Joe kessler is literally Comic butcher mentality he heard the words “contagious, airbone” and went Rogue.
Edit: also the scary thing about all this is how butcher’s eyes widen Twice it shows how Fucked up this sounds and the slightest bit of reconsideration about the idea just to kill homelander
good obv
They might be sticking to the source material in the aftermath 😢
@@kriss007G they won't it will be different as the show wants to prove a point and since Noir isn't a clone Homelander will have to die another way
@@rand_xcurse6884They could still go about making Butcher the final threat, especially since he isn't there. One theory that I've seen is that his tumor might become a threat due to an episode of the Boys diabolical which had a Vd up tumor free of its host's body going on a rampage.
I haven’t read the comic But i Think homelander was already dead when Butcher wanted to use the virus and it just seems a little out of character for show Butcher to use for a reason that isn’t homelander
This was a cool reveal but it wasn’t as shocking as the show wanted us to think it was.
It's probably because everyone already knew he was a figment of Butcher's mind. It wasn't hard for people to figure out.
@@docnightmares8291 people are too smart on unimportant things now a days
@riderchallenge4250 it's bc people saw leaks of the show and others pretended to just predict that he was a hallucination. We're on the internet for goodness sake not many people are smart
It’s better to have a non shocking reveal that the audience can predict rather than the JJ Abrams style “reveals” that are only shocking because they make no sense and were never foreshadowed that we’ve been getting for years.
It would've been way better if they hadn't straight up shown every single detail everyone already knew about and then explained it several times. It's like the writers are dumbing down the audience for no reason.
Turned into Fight Club real quick.
Everyone and their dog guessed it was a Tyler Durden situation, but damn they even did the flashbacks like Fight Club as well
WHAT DO THE NUMBERS MEAN, MASON?!
Negan in a suit
Suits him well.
John in a suit
They set this up so damn well.
For a minute there, i thought the guy joe kessler was just an insane supe that could see other people's illusions but that twist really got me. 😂😂😂
Butcher is about to turn to full blown Kira from Deathnote lol
Hell yeah
Hell yeah
Or Osmond from Resident Evil 4
bro think bro is moon knight
Moon Knight meets Venom.
Moon Knight think he is Mr Robot
@@NoName-bk3su opposite
This shows casting is on a whole other level. Giancarlo Esposito, underrated gems such as JDM, Karl Urban and Anthony Star. Giancarlo gives a 10/10 performance as always, Anthony Star has slowly made Homelander one of my favorite villains of all time probably in the top 3 best acted villains. Karl Urban's performance as Butcher has made me realize all the projects he's been in and how underrated he is. Finally one of my person favorite actors that is overall under appreciated in in the show. This show is peak.
nice fight club/mr robot reference right there
Billy Maguire
The fact that he literally ended the conversation by referencing Negan 🤣❤️
1:47 When the urge to bet everything on red hits
We all suspected/ knew he was a hallucination but the definte reveal was pretty genius.
This would be a pretty cool scene if you haven't heard of the Kessler hallucination theory.
The audience knows that Rebecca is hallucinated but not Joe, so it would be really shocking when he scolded her like that.
Bro thinks he is ichigo kurosaki now
☠️ this is NOT like Zangetsu and yhwach inside of ichigo
What are weird frame of reference.
Love that reference regardless
One of the most sh*tty reference.
My friends and I were talking about how this could possibly be a ‘fight club’ situation where the man is inside his head the whole time
This trope is soo played out but still gets me
The numbers butcher what do they mean?
Butcher watched too many episodes of The Walking Dead
Saw this a mile away but still an awesome scene
We figured it out weeks ago....
@@CB-nz7be Well that's... True
But Billy doesn't figured out. He needed to figure it out to control his new powers
A logical plot twist would always be figured out in advance by at least someone
How people are not surprised abt this, how you guy figure this out
Yeah and we also figured out Hughie's mom was a hallucination too. How did that turn out?