ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: 4kg (8lbs) heavier Electric start only Slightly more power (exact number not known) 2.5L per hour burn (for me) Preorders opening soon (few weeks I believe) The first units will be delivered in January 2024 Very limited production and availability 5,500 euro retail price
Will they be selling upgrade kits? I already have a dual start my19, would like to just do a conversion and lose the carb. Should just be a throttle body swap, maybe a temp sensor, and how are they getting the 14.7 to 1 fuel mix stoichiometric ratio? Are they using a wide band o2 sensor? I thought the 2 stroke exhaust ruins wide band sensors? Curious how they managed to get around that. I think there are some 2 stroke outboards out there that were built with EFI. Might be some shared tech.
Would have been great to see... well, anything really: The display, the overall motor and the differences, the fuel pump system, etc. Any chance of a supplemental video where you can show these things? [Edit] Personal opinion on the design is that from what I can tell it looks like a manifold injection system, I think there can be more to gain from a transfer port injector system, but it takes a lot more development work and can't be retrofitted to a carb engine. [Edit]
Sounds like it's got a larger or thinner butterfly valve, basically more effective area leading to more airflow. All 2T and 4T gasoline engines have some type of air valve like a butterfly.
Yep no carb, no jets, so should be very smooth power delivery. Would be cool to have oil injection eventually too, but that might add a bit too much weight. Not sure if we will ever be 4 stroke on these things and be competitive.
Well since its fuel injected it should solve quite a few problems. Such as the adjustments needed, mid range shutter and sputter, fuel starvation issues, etc.... you know... all those issues due to the carb being manufactored for a chain saw with the duel tank only inches away vs feet away. Did you notice the lack of mid-range shutter?
Why is there a separate battery needed for this system? Does this engine not have a generator to charge its own battery? You did not mention it but I think it is a huge drawback. As I understand it it only lasts for 5 hours. I do think fuel injection is the way to go.
Wow, a normal Moster 185 burns 4.5 - 6L/hr?? I'm still on my Nitro 200, and it has always burned around 3.5L/hr. I know it's not apples to apples, but it is nearly the same displacement as the Moster - so I'd think the fuel burn would have been closer. Of course, wing size, prop size, loading, etc all impact this.
Im about 115-120 kg all up with a 28m U1.1, my Thor 202 burns 3.4 lph, liquid cooling goes a long way, poor Moster is air cooled so can't run as high a compression ratio.
I tried and sadly the pizza fell to its sudden death. Sucks. I worked hard on that pizza. It didn’t have enough crumple zone to survive the fall I guess.
Seems to be cool thing to have, however with this fuel burn it's a shame that the battery needs to be charged every 5h. If that was ~10h this would be sweet for XC. Or like in a cars where you charge the battery while running the engine :D. Future things ;).
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
4kg (8lbs) heavier
Electric start only
Slightly more power (exact number not known)
2.5L per hour burn (for me)
Preorders opening soon (few weeks I believe)
The first units will be delivered in January 2024
Very limited production and availability
5,500 euro retail price
Maybe you can't answer due to NDA, but is this M-185 only or can this be retrofit onto an FR?
Can’t be retrofit to anything. It’s a stand alone unit and nothing mentioned of a future factory r version.
Electric start only is not great. That probably makes up for most of the additional 8lbs, but I guess the battery is required for efi.
4kg more is alot 😮
@@TrevorSteele1 Thanks for answering
You are really doing great videos for the community. Thank you.
Great video buddy if I wasn’t so happy for you getting to fly all that awesome equipment I’d be jealous
Keep up the good work
The river (bottom) you were flying over looked like it would be fun to fly through with loads of foot-drags.
Awesome! I was there yesterday on my paramotor trip through Europe.🤙
Will they be selling upgrade kits? I already have a dual start my19, would like to just do a conversion and lose the carb. Should just be a throttle body swap, maybe a temp sensor, and how are they getting the 14.7 to 1 fuel mix stoichiometric ratio? Are they using a wide band o2 sensor? I thought the 2 stroke exhaust ruins wide band sensors? Curious how they managed to get around that. I think there are some 2 stroke outboards out there that were built with EFI. Might be some shared tech.
Would have been great to see... well, anything really: The display, the overall motor and the differences, the fuel pump system, etc. Any chance of a supplemental video where you can show these things?
[Edit] Personal opinion on the design is that from what I can tell it looks like a manifold injection system, I think there can be more to gain from a transfer port injector system, but it takes a lot more development work and can't be retrofitted to a carb engine. [Edit]
Sounds like it's got a larger or thinner butterfly valve, basically more effective area leading to more airflow. All 2T and 4T gasoline engines have some type of air valve like a butterfly.
Cool video!
Sounds great for winning an icarus race or xc adventures. Ill keep the carb for ripping around the lz
Love it
Thanks for the review overview
Do you know if there will be a mod kit to go from carb to efi?
Interesting. Do you know what would be even more interesting? EFi on an Atom 80! What would the fuel burn be on that?!
Or on a top 80
Sounds like a good thing efi moster! How the airspace looks like over there by the way?
Unique is how I’d describe it… lol
Are they going to introduce it on the factory R engine?
Yep no carb, no jets, so should be very smooth power delivery. Would be cool to have oil injection eventually too, but that might add a bit too much weight. Not sure if we will ever be 4 stroke on these things and be competitive.
Well since its fuel injected it should solve quite a few problems. Such as the adjustments needed, mid range shutter and sputter, fuel starvation issues, etc.... you know... all those issues due to the carb being manufactored for a chain saw with the duel tank only inches away vs feet away. Did you notice the lack of mid-range shutter?
Yes
Where can we buy the EFI?
Why is there a separate battery needed for this system? Does this engine not have a generator to charge its own battery? You did not mention it but I think it is a huge drawback. As I understand it it only lasts for 5 hours. I do think fuel injection is the way to go.
So does the EFI have sensors to allow it to auto tune? So for elevation and all the variables that cause us problems with carbs.
Professional opinion is yes it's likely MAP based, unless it's Alpha-N then that would be pretty sad for the price they're charging.
Wow, a normal Moster 185 burns 4.5 - 6L/hr?? I'm still on my Nitro 200, and it has always burned around 3.5L/hr. I know it's not apples to apples, but it is nearly the same displacement as the Moster - so I'd think the fuel burn would have been closer. Of course, wing size, prop size, loading, etc all impact this.
EFI compared to SmartCarb?
Im about 115-120 kg all up with a 28m U1.1, my Thor 202 burns 3.4 lph, liquid cooling goes a long way, poor Moster is air cooled so can't run as high a compression ratio.
Are these going to be sold as kits for older carb motors?
No it’s not
@@TrevorSteele1 booooooo
It would be great if you take it home to the alt. And reevaluate
4kg is 8.8 lbs. Did they indicate why it's that much heavier?
All the efi components as well as the electric start equipment.
I like I like
I have one 😊
But can it cook a frozen pizza in Air over Italy?
I tried and sadly the pizza fell to its sudden death. Sucks. I worked hard on that pizza. It didn’t have enough crumple zone to survive the fall I guess.
Seems to be cool thing to have, however with this fuel burn it's a shame that the battery needs to be charged every 5h. If that was ~10h this would be sweet for XC. Or like in a cars where you charge the battery while running the engine :D. Future things ;).
Ciao!
Be so good to be rid of the carb, just put a hole in my polini
Carbs be hit or miss that’s for sure!
add a battery, add an alternator, err , just add a battery,, it cheaper for us but expensive for them,,