I think Cain Prime could be a good shout, with him being the king of the Violence layer. Fighting the first human to ever commit the sin of violence and murder another person seems like it’d be very fitting in Ultrakill. V1 going back and fighting the guy who basically fucking invented murder sounds awesome
"And I'd say he knows a little more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor!"
P-1 was a boss level (like 0-5 in a sense) P-2 was basically an entire level with enemy spawns I wouldn't be surprised if P-3 is an entire layer in its own right.
Quick clarification, Hakita NEVER said that he won’t do a Lucifer, devil, heaven fight. The problem with something like Lucifer Prime is that Demons and Angels cannot manifest a Prime Soul. Human souls are quite tenacious without being all that powerful, they can go Prime because they have souls that continue to exist even when their forms are destroyed, but with Demons and Angels it’s a different story. When Gabriel dies, when the council dies, and when Lucifer (a fallen angel) dies, there is nothing after that. They’re inherently magical and supernatural down to the very structure of their body, when that breaks there’s nothing left after that. TL;DR Lucifer Prime cannot happen because Angels physically cannot go Prime
Jesus is still a candidate it was never stated that Jesus lost his physical body after his resurrection. he was not on the council despite being gods son and only remnant of god. so what happened to him? simple he is in treachery for the same reason Minos is, he felt bad for the sinners.
Jesus personally just doesn’t make sense. Forgive me if I’m wrong about this as I am in no facet of the word Religious, but while Jesus is regarded as the son of god, isn’t he also one with God and God is one with him? God has left in the Ultrakill universe, you can’t just leave yourself, so the idea of Jesus still being around while God is gone while both of them being one in the same doesn’t sit right. But Ultrakill still takes it’s own creative liberties so who knows, I just personally find that on a thematic, creative, and logical standing Jesus Prime doesn’t fit
Few things about Prometheus: You could interpret the fire Prometheus gave to humans as a form of knowledge and gives a significant boost in every aspect of talent that benefits from it notably weapons, as weapons get more and more advanced which inevitably caused the creation of Blood-fueled machines to be used in War. I honestly think Prometheus could fit in Violence as well because the eagles that were nibbling on his liver would be replaced by harpies instead that are native to the 2nd level of Violence. Prometheus would actually be the cause of Free Will on Mankind that God was so pissed about in the Testaments through the fire he gave to Humanity
that sounds good! integrates ultrakill lore vey well. If that were the case, I wonder how the buildup to the fight would go. I think he would be in a state of extreme self-loathing, having wanted to help humanity but instead set it on a path of destruction. He still probably wants to defeat V1, be it for the same reason as Gabriel in Heresy, or because he wants to destroy this representation of his mistake, the robots. maybe the fire is hellish in origin, and he was led to it by the consciousness of hell, kind of like the story of the fruit of knowledge. That would mean that Hell was pulling the strings from the beginning, which would be a cool reveal. maybe the fire is related to Hell Energy. Also that Hell's consciousness is the origin of free will/was born because there was so much of that fire/hell energy
I think Prometheus might be too conceptually similar to Minos (who’s entire character is around the concept of defying the gods for the sake of morality). The prime two prime souls are extremely different in mentality and actions. So if third prime soul were to ever be added, they would need to a character who has both the overarching theme of defying gods but also have a completely different reason as to why they’re doing it.
When asked if we'll fight Satan, Hakita replied (in 2019): "probably gonna go for something else entirely, but satan would be at the very end so I'm not worrying much yet"
@@applejuice281 Yes, my point exactly. He never decomfirmed anything. And if the 5-S terminal is anything to go by, Lucifer _will_ have some role in the story
by "satan would be at the very end" he meant that in Dante's Inferno, Satan/Lucifer is at the very bottom of Hell so Hakita wouldn't have had to worry about it while developing the first layers
@@gothmfsalemunlike the other three, prometheus would not be human though. Prometheus was a titan, a god, in greek myth so it would be interesting how he would be rewritten to fit in ultrakill. Would he be a king? A nephelim of some sort? Or since ultrakill leans heavily in the creator god being imperfect, could he be an emissary of outside powers that even god doesn’t know exist? Bringing free will into god’s creations without him knowing or wanting it.
One idea I heard would be Daedalus Prime, chained to the very machines he built. It could also go along with the Machine Prime, for Daedalus' Sin of creating the machines he was chained down by the heavens, but in a last ditch attempt made a machine that was stronger a machine that had a soul
This is not really far-fetched considering all the prime bosses we had so far has been Greek myths and I really don't see much of a reason to sway from that course and go for Christian myth. Heck, we could take it a step further and say it could be Icarus Prime, instead of Daedalus Prime, an alternate version in which his wings didn't fail thim, yet the gods struck him for defying the very fate he was destined for nonetheless. Now bitter with resentment and a perfect version the wings V1 so carelessly uses, he is now VPrime.
It is possible, especially considering the fact that there are implications of a source of the soldiers/stalkers cybernetic modifications, which is yet to be revealed.
I'm honestly surprised nobody's mentioned Atlas as a candidate for being a Prime Soul. Think about it: He could be the one carrying the writhing mass of Hell on his back, and Atlas could intend to shift the weight of it over to V1.
I also surprised that nobody talks about Daedalus. Like, he is human, right? And he was the... Like, you know, creator of machines and creator of V series (V1, V2 and maybe V3). So maybe Daedalus can be a P-3 boss.
GOD i would LOVE to fight atlas and see his design and character and i think the idea of him wanting to give the weight to v1 after v1 stumbles upon him would be so freaking cool, i mean v1 is probably the first person atlas has seen in millennia, it's only natural that he would jump at the chance to free himself from his torment
I think it was mentioned in the lore that Heaven really didn’t want anything to do with humanity, so Prometheus being the one to give humanity fire and being imprisoned for it makes sense.
It's not happening. Jesus doesn't fit the theme of any of the layers, (Violence, Fraud or Treachery) Was not in Dante's inferno, and when you consider that both Minos and Sisyphus were Greek characters while Jesus is a Christian character, nothing lines up. Also, hakita dislikes uncreative/obvious characters like Satan/Lucifer or Jesus and God, so very unlikely.
Even if it doesnt get a DLC, the level editor will make this game live for a long time after release. Im predicting a three act custom heaven campaign based off paradiso
One thing that I haven’t seen anyone mention is Tantalus, he fits in with the other prime by A)being a king and B)being complacent/ a part of some people’s deaths during his rule. Not only that but in Greek mythology he was banished to Tartarus, the deepest and lowest part of the underworld only reserved for the worst of the worst. I’m just saying I would be surprised if we see him in one of the lowest layers or as a prime soul
Seriously, I have no clue why nobody talks about him! Tantalus fits in the most with Minos and Sisyphus, a Greek king who in contrast to Minos’ goodness and Sisyphus’ respectable villainy, was a really bad dude (though neither Minos or Sisyphus were any better in the actual Greek myths to be fair); his crime was feeding his son to the gods, which qualifies for all of the final 3 layers (Violence, Fraud, and Treachery), and like Sisyphus (and Minos to a lesser extent?), he was notably punished in the Underworld/Hell like you said. Now, Tantalus wasn’t known for willpower or beloved by man, but neither Minos or Sisyphus were either, at least until the philosopher Albert Camus famously took a new perspective on Sisyphus as the “indomitable human spirit incarnate” or something like that, Greek Myth Minos is still most known for being cheated on with a literal bull, trapping his Minotaur half-son in the labyrinth and ordering human sacrifices to him, holding the labyrinth’s creator Daedalus hostage, and becoming a judge in the afterlife. My point is Ultrakill changes characterization a lot for the sake of the stories it wants to tell, but even so, Tantalus fits right in thematically with Minos and Sisyphus.
@@dnvunderj Yeah, he could work as the King of any of the three layers, (I’m personally betting Fraud but Violence could work too, I don’t think he’d be King of Treachery [since historically 3-1 and 6-1 weren’t used for lore outside of level design], but I could be proven wrong); if he is the next Prime, then he’ll show up in Treachery either way. Even regarding everything I’ve said, that is a big if, for all I know Hakita’s got, idk, Shitos Prime set as the last Prime Soul; while I think Tantalus is the most likely candidate out of everyone the fans have proposed, I won’t be surprised or disappointed if I’m wrong, we’ll just have to wait til Act 3 releases to see
@@drpepsi48 I think its because he's not as "known" by people as Odysseus, Oedipus or hell even Dionysus. Which is why barely anyone talks about him. Yet it makes the most sense out of any other candidate i've heard about.
Yeah, he'd make some sense as an important figure in the Ninth Layer, especially given that in greek myth he's most well know for violating hospitality (which I'd equate to treachery against guests)
Both Minos and Sisyphus are mentioned in their respective layers (Lust & Greed) in Dante's Inferno. However, Odysseus is also residing in the 8th layer in Dante's Inferno, who was a greec mythology king as well. He's most likely to be the P-3 boss in my opinion.
Odysseus has my vote too. In The Odyssey, he goes missing after the trojan war, is assumed dead by his people, but is actually trapped on an island with Calypso. In The Inferno, he's in the fraud layer for being a manipulator and deceiver who used his power as a king to pursue knowledge and power meant only for God. So maybe the fight takes place on an island. The build up could be a boat ride capped off by a fight against 2 Leviathans before you fight a gauntlet where the very map is working to kill you: a *flesh island* that moves and shifts like the cybergrind. After you disable the island you have to directly fight a Calypso boss instead of a traditional flesh boss as the last line of defense before Odysseus Prime.
So far we have went 2 chapters without it, and since this is probably the final chapter, Ultrakill will finally have what everyone needs from it , as without it, all those pain and deaths would be for nothing.. Robot Sex.
I think that the idea of P-3 containing two prime bosses is very cool. Hype up two kings in act 3, make the community debate over which one will be the real one, and then put both into the game as the prime souls.
Everyone I saw thought it was going to be a face-off with ferryman prime at P-2, but just like P-1, it was a king. The issue was Sisyphus was not a boss, whereas King Minos’ corpse was. But we should expect another king for P-3, as we know the standard.
Ultrakill can be shortened to UK (the United Kingdom), and both the colors of V1 and V2 appear in the Union Jack, we also know that Ultrakill takes place in a timeline similar to ours, as a conflict very similar to WW1 happened, so we can assume that Queen Elizabeth II was, or is alive in this universe, so, the 3rd Prime Soul will definitely be "Elizabeth Prime"
Dionysus seems like a good candidate, since in Greek myth, he was a king before he became a god. Maybe in the fraud layer, because he claimed to be a god in life? He was also mentioned in Dante's Inferno, I think, so he fills out all the same criteria as the other two - Greek kings who are present in Dante's inferno. Edit - Correction, sisyphus isn't directly mentioned in Dante's Inferno, but the punishment in greed is based on him. Also, It isn't Dionysus in the book, it's Dionysius, who was also a greek king and was damned to the violence layer. Still a strong candidate, I think
@@BigOldToaster Yeah I edited my comment before to correct it to Dionysius, and I could've sworn I read something somewhere that Dionysus was a demigod at one point before being granted full godhood but I looked it up and didn't find anything that said that (over two minutes of rigorous research, of course)
@@BigOldToaster Ok after two additional minutes of rigorous research it seems that in many versions of Greek myth that Dionysus was in fact a demigod born from Zeus and a mortal named Semele and was made into a full blown god later like Heracles
Keep in mind that the Prime Souls are all in the final layers of each act, even though they have nothing to do with said layers. Minos was involved with Lust since he became the king of that layer after Heaven put him in charge of being its watcher/warden, and didn't believe that the damned should be punished for who they love, within reason. Sisyphus was involved with Greed because it was where he attempted his rebellion against Heaven, and Sisyphus was a greedy, horrible king in life as well. If anything, I think the next Prime Soul could be Daedalus, and he could be involved with Violence, since he helped create the machines that genocided Humanity and are now causing chaos in Hell. It would also be a great way to throw in some more lore about the destruction that the machines brought upon their creators, and what better tragedy to base Violence off of than the greatest tragedy of them all: Humanity getting wiped out by their creations. On top of that, we could find him not inside a flesh prison, but instead sitting upon the floor in a prayer position, having repented for what he did and now wishing to destroy the machines, thus filling in the "fulfilled duty" criteria as it would mean he fulfilled his duty of repenting for his sins and accepting the Father's light. It's the only way I can reason V1 having to fight the soul of what is practically its god, its creator.
@@the_furry_inside_your_walls639 although I thought the reason that King Minos was in the lust layer because his wife would turn his lovers into snakes
I'm honestly surprised no one brought up Odysseus as a candidate. He's one of the most influential Greek mythological characters, a king, and regularly used trickery to defeat his enemies in often brutal ways (Trojan Horse, the Cyclopes, etc), placing him pretty neatly in Violence or Fraud. Not that I think any of these theories are bad, but he just fits so well
only problem i see with this is that he was generally loved by the gods (other than poseidon), because he was smart athena decided to help him with the rest of the gods,i dont see why he would end up in hell, especially since he never got punished by the gods
I feel violence was mostly focusing on the whole fight between machines and hell, along with the humanity's fall and the machines that outlast them. Fraud might have the answers or even the layer after it. King minos built a city, sisyphus built an army, so what grand strength will the next king bring and what will his personality be. Remember, most of the kings had opposite personalities than the ones in the myths, so expect the opposite from the next prime soul.
I would love to see Adam (Prime), the first man. Just imagine, God after realizing the faults of it's creation, locks Adam away to avoid facing his failure. Adam on the other hand, as time passes, is able to know what's happened to the world, heaven and hell, hating not only Heaven for it's cruelness and the Machines for destroying humanity. I know Adam doesn't even appear in The Divine Comedy, but Hakita didn't read it so I could see it happening
As long as we're throwing out ideas that likely won't come to fruition, and will only serve to make us disappointed by what could have been, here's some of my ideas! (Disclaimer: The first one ISN'T my idea, and they don't really fit the "king" pattern of the other two Prime Sanctums.) I remember reading a comment from "Lil_Ursa" about Adam Prime, the first man. "Even further below Brutus, Cassius, and Judas, he stands alone in Eden (because a boss fight in a flower field is always good), banished to remain in the paradise he desecrated in retaliation against god. He cut down the forbidden tree and killed the snake as they were only created to manipulate Eve. Armed with his axe he’d be like a hack n slash character more than Minos’ fighting game. If Minos was mad imagine the father of mankind’s reaction." This idea just excited me. Second idea, Dante Prime. Dante Alighieri, that is. I have no further justification or elaboration, other then "C'mon dude, it'd be perfect! The author and main character in The Inferno, AND the namesake of Dante from Devil May Cry? What a poetic conclusion! He'd say some shit like 'I have seen all of hell's deepest, darkest, and most depraved layers.' and then he'd pull out two pistols, and start parrying your robo-ass! It'd be badass!" Mostly unrelated from prime bosses, I really hope there is SOME kind of encounter with lucifer, cause in the story he's frozen in ice at the very bottom of hell, and the concept of fighting the devil in an ice cavern is too cool to not go anywhere. But at the end of the day, it's Hakita's game, and he can do or not do whatever he damn well pleases. And considering we have Ultrakill at all, and just how special this game and its first two acts are, I'd say we're in good hands to trust him with the third, final act and prime sanctum.
The possibility of Adam mostly depends on how closely Hakita sticks to the Comedy. Because in Inferno he's stated to have lived in Limbo before he got ascended to Heaven by Jesus and he is present in Paradiso.
@@maxireigl1919 Yeah you are right. It's certainly not actually gonna happen, and it wouldn't really fit in with the two kings, Minos and Sisyphus, but it's kind of a neat idea regardless
Did anyone notice the fact that the acts follow a certain formula? First layer of an act has a V2 boss fight, second layer of an act has a collosal boss fight and the third layer of an act has a Gabriel boss fight.
This conversation feels like the talks we'd have as kids about like, who could beat goku, or if gohan could beat up satan or something. Like, innocent, excited, and optimistic hypotheticals about cool shows and video games we love. Lmao, I love that Ultrakill really brings that out in us. Figuring out who's in P3 feels a lot like figuring out if master chief is gonna be in the next smash bros game or not.
Fr, I've never been so obsessed with a game's lore since Undertale or DDLC. I just love theorizing and seeing story analysis of this game. It really brings me back to when I used to watch game theory daily lol.
2:54 On the topic of the yellow arm, we actually have a yellow robot that losses a lot of arms, Swordsmachine. I think that the fight we get the yellow arm will be with the original Swordsmachine, if we didn't already fight it in the bossfight. And if we did we might fight a really strong copycat.
The saws machine lol, we could get a sawblade hand that allows us to get blood for the enemy similar to the drill. And we could also get stuck on walls if we.want to
Iirc original swordsmachine is the one we fight in 0-3 (or 0-2, which is kinda uncanon?), but a beefed up copycat could be pretty cool, maybe this one drank too much hell juice.
I think Tantalus would be a great candidate since we follows the "pattern" established with the first 2 prime souls. This being, 1. Resident of hell i.e dead 2. Must be have been a mortal 3. Must have been previously a king. 4. Must be greek 5. There sins must make sense of what layer there in Tantalus stole and betrayed the gods and was punished, "he was made to stand in a pool of water beneath a fruit tree with low branches, with the fruit ever eluding his grasp, and the water always receding before he could take a drink." (Wikipedia) Another possible one that fits with the rules is Salmoneus.
0:53 I've seen people saying Hakita said Sisyphus wouldn't be the boss of P-2 though, so maybe Hakita changed his mind that one time, those people were lying or Hakita decided to just say "no" to anyone asking what the boss would be for the prime sanctums
@@abd-animation-22 see, the problem is that we can't really know who's right or wrong here, until the people who say Hakita denied it give us some evidence or admit that they were lying.
I like to think that in P-3 we will fight Adan and Eve. I think it would make sense for them to be in treachery since they betrayed god by tasting the forbidden fruit and committing the first sin. The fight would begin by having to kill a double flesh prison, that intertwine forming a shape similar to a heart. When ending the prison, two prine Souls fall, Adam and Eve. It would be a double fight, allowing to kill one of the first two, activating the second phase of the other, you know, like Orstein and Smough-. Their attacks would coordinate perfectly and they would end the phrases of each other, They would call you "grandson" as machines are the sons of mankind and they are the fathers of mankind, and they would hate you for killing humanity like Minos did. Sorry for the bad english, I just think the concept is pretty cool.
Plus, imagine how PISSED they would be at you for being a machine that took part in killing mankind. Maybe it could be a Tunda/agony situation where one is constantly enraged and the other has more attacks
Technicaly the first sin was cain killing able. because Adam And Eve were forgiven for eating the fruit and entered heaven. It was written that in their last moments they were forgiven for their mistake and the snake lost its legs.
Prometheus Prime could be possible since most all kings in ultrakill are based on greek mythology and Prometheus isn't king, he's a titan Edit: if i was pretty sure Capaneus Prime is the next and final Prime Souls and in Divine Comedy he was punished for Violent against God by that means he will be king of Violence Layer
Theory : It might be hell itself for p-3. We already know that hell is a living creature from the arg, and probably plays a direct role in the uk universe, as is implied by the minotaur info screen (though the latter part is purely speculation). However, there's a problem with this theory: we never got a clear classification of what hell is. As in if it's a demon/angel or something capable of becoming a prime soul. Another problem with this theory is the fact that we are already IN hell. You'd be practically fighting/trying to damage a room, which is a negligibly small part of hell. Although it is not completely impossible, we're gonna need a LOT of backing for this theory to hold ground.
Nevermind, It was confirmed by Hakita that the original swordsmachine was the boss in the prelude. After some thinking while its not going to be a prime boss but probably will be the boss for 7 - 4, Talos. mainly because it's a robot and it's from Greek mythology. the final boss of limbo and greed was V-2, but since hakita said that V-2 is dead and won't come back it'll probably be a different machine. Also, Talos was powered by Ichor, which is called the blood of the gods, so that could lead to some interesting lore. plus I don't think that P-3 will ever be a machine, since as another guy said here. only humans have souls, so machines probably don't have a soul. 2:58 I believe that’s it going to be the original swordsmachine, because as stated in its terminal entry. “The Swordsmachine is quite famous due to its combat prowess and selfmade[sic] form, ugly to most but beautiful to enthusiasts, spawning many copycats.” So, it’s likely that the boss swordsmachine we fought in the prelude was nothing more than a copy. Probably won’t be a prime boss.
I had seen a pretty cool Dante Prime concept once, and I think that it would be cool to see in game. Dante being both that layer's obligatory callback to DMC, but also if taking more inspiration from the book rather than DMC, y'know. Another really cool concept that I saw was Judas prime and I thought it was very cool. Either way I'm sure Hakita's choice will be good.
I have a bit of a wild theory that the last Prime might be Gabriel, as hes effectively already gone die given his time is limited, and his will was strong enough to go against the Heavens, but I dont think it would really make much sense lore wise.
I have an idea that I haven’t really seen yet. Through this whole game what have you been doing? Killing, destroying everything in your path . Even before the start of the game you killed humanity, you’ve killed machines like you, demons, and all the sort. You’ve killed, destroyed, mauled, and torn apart everything in hell. But there was a first, a first murder, the first taking of a life, the first destruction of a body. Only one soul has claimed that title. P-3 / / Able to Kill // Taker of Life // *Cain Prime*
im not sure who the p-3 boss is but here is what I think the level layout will be like 1. Another P-2 thing where we fight EVERY enemy in the game 2. Brutus, judas AND casius at the SAME TIME (2 attack while 1 rests) 3. Flesh (idk) but it does nothing but stay there after a short attack similar to flesh panopticon where it turns out that Lucifer had been waiting for you to kill its defenses 4. Lucifer prime 5. final terminal
now that we have a boss like the earthmover, perhaps the flesh prison will follow the same concept? it could be called the flesh labyrinth, a massive, perhaps even ever-changing maze designed to keep a prime soul trapped and lost even if it woke up
I wish that they would do all 9 layers of hell, having a boss and a Prime for each. This way it can let the fandom continue speculating and allow numerous theories to arise and/or come true
That armored Lucifer looked very similar to my own design I came up with; with the triangle on the face, inclusion of horns, the black and gold armor, and the orange wings.
I've actually had a wacky idea for Act III's layers ever since P-2 and 5-S came out Violence layer is based on the area you see Gabriel in at the end of Act II, with the starry skies and the forests. The boss of Violence is S1 or S0, standing for Swordsmachine Mark 1 or 0, aka the real og Swordsmachine. S1 is a forest survivalist hunter and after quick section of you beating up a horde of enemies in the trees V1 gets jumped and pinned to a wall by S1 who says some cool line like "Get out of my forest, invasive species." and removes every weapon from V1 except for the feedbacker, the knuckleblaster, and the whiplash. The layer becomes more about movement and gaining new abilities on each of the arms, the Feedbacker can be held down to absorb weak projectiles and when released sends back the force. The Knuckleblaster with single presses gains hellseeds that amplify the explosive force of the punch with each one added, and the Whiplash gains a whirlwind function that lets you spin around the arm like a tornado and shred up enemies while lifting them into the air. Each level ends with a chase from S1 before you manage to get into the terminal, with a cool animation of S1 trying to get through the terminal door but being pushed out before they can get in. (hadn't come up with anything for the climax fight but it'd be some cool shit) Since it's DMC inspired the Fraud Climax boss could be called "King Cerberus". First thought I had is that it manipulates all three colors of hell energy that being green, red, and orange/yellow. It juggles three balls of each hell energy constantly. Probably be bigger then normal Cerberus by a huge margin and switches between each variation of hell energy, each one being used beyond what all other hell denizens show capable of with it, doin all sorts of cool stuff. King Cerberus rolls on top of the OG Cerberus ball like a circus clown would. Only thing is that I'm not sure what the other bodily differences would be about King Cerberus, maybe it'd have three heads each one facing away from one another on its neck in a triangle form and having more armor plating along its body that makes it look more like it has three heads in a way. Maybe it'd have the one head but each of its shoulders had armor plates with large faces on them that'd sell the legend of the Cerberus a little more. As for P-3 we figured that either Prometheus Prime or Daedalus Prime would be cool, both would have anger against the heavens though Daedalus could have a connection to Minos which would be extra interersting. I lean towards Daedalus Prime since I imagine the Prime Sanctum would be a hellish core where we finally see how Soldier variants of Strays are made as well as how the Flesh Prison/Panopticon was made, all powered by the creativity of Daedalus. He'd also play into ULTRAKILL's themes of humanity and nobody being better then anyone else, as the final prime sanctum would be a man who's creative endeavors were remembered even in death through his Labrynth being a location in Act III maybe. Ik it's a consistent theme that the Prime Souls' kingdoms and people were wronged, scorned, and are now in eternal suffering or ended, but I think that a more uplifting take for the last one would both be surprising and be fitting.
ummm but... isn't it the moon that Gabriels is on? I mean you can see the earth from that art. Also skies in hell have that funny pattern of being cloudy and all that jazz not in space. Also moon is the first layer of heaven in dante's inferno so it makes sense that Gabriel would chill there. Another thing is that ultrakill is about that replayabilty and levels and having that core gameplay experiance unshaken. It's a really cool idea with that loosing all your stuff but it doesn't fit with ultrakill. Hakita would just handicap himself by doing all new levels about movement and regaining the actuall fun part of the game. Sounds like a really cool fan made level tho.
@@skkp8183 ahh I didn’t notice that, yeah then just a normal forest instead. Good point on replyability too, I still think a boss chasing you throughout the layer would be cool
i actually got a somewhat interesting but most likely not gonna happen p-3 candidate, atlas, someone so enormous that he stretches from the lowest layers of hell to hold up the heavens for eternity and could make for an awesome boss battle idea, going into p-3 and being faced with a giant titan holding up the heavens, having to climb up him and fight chambered enemy areas like in p-2 that eventually, getting to the top, you release him from his shackles and, instead of fighting him, he thanks you, but in doing so, releases what he was guarding so dearly, a prime soul of whoever idk
I like the Prometheus idea, not only is it in line with the last, 2 prime bosses, all originating from Greek mythology, but also received some form of punishment, Such as Sisyphus's punishment of rolling a boulder up and down a mountain for eternity. It just seems the most plausible when you compare it to the last 3 bosses.
honestly I think that the main motiff of prime souls is human tenacity. Suddenly making the third soul an angel or a titan would ruin it. Though I like the idea of prometheus if his story is changed for him to be human
My prediction is that the last prime souls we are going to fight is dante prime, hes going to be added at the 9th layer update, and before reaching him you have to complete 9 rooms, each is themed like the 9 layers, lore wise he is the first human to explore hell, and he managed to get to the bottom of hell but unfortunately perishes
Brutus does exist in eternal torment in layer 9. It would make sense from a divine comedy and lore perspective. Also, BRUTUS PRIME, sounds intimidating to say the least.
Honestly, despite the fact that it obviously isn't a prime soul, I think the final fight in p-3 would be very fitting if it was hell itself, as in the whole ARG thing and all the terminals, it was shown that hell is 100% alive and watching v1 for fun.
personally i'd say if we're gonna fight hell, it would make more sense to be in 9-2, after killing gabriel a unique style bonus called +ULTRAKILL when you kill hell would be pretty cool i think
For some reason I get the impression that the third layer is going to be the final one released. Im not sure why, I alas have not been able to follow the games development outside of a few snippets here and there. But if that is the case I imagine we will inevitably face a major machine boss of some kind. Due to some lore drops over this and the previous updates. The sanctums themselves seem pretty resolute to revolve around imprisoned kings and the old ways of hell, either before the death of humanity or the rise of the machines. And, between Sisiphus and Minos I can only imagine it will be another greek king of cautionary renown. Maybe someone like Midas if we're going off of the famous bad kings. If fraud does become its own layer though I almost hope they do a satire on micro transactions using our ingame points (because lets be fair anyone whos been playing this game since release has a ton by now). Greed and such would be fitting here to. So yeah Im putting my bets on Midas for Sanctum boss 3. ^_^
My best guess is Tantalus Prime. Hear me out. -Greek King -Committed Violence, Fraud, AND Treachery (Killed his son, tricked the gods into eating his son, betraying them because they were friends with him) -Was forced to endure endless dissatisfaction, possibly building up enough resentment to go prime.
I believe P-3 will have us fight HELL ITSELF. Because a massive lore dump (which occured in an arg after P-2 dropped) confirmed that Hell is one massive entity, making use of the souls it tortures and making them into an army of destruction. It would be badass for us to take out Hell from the inside out, then fleeing through all the rings and watching as it collapses.
If we do get a Prime that's a machine, it whole thing can start by assembling the vessel itself by finding the parts in a gauntlet. We are assembling the boss ourselves!
An idea I had was Atlas. His Sanctum would go in the Treachery layer, as he was punished by the gods to hold the planet. Being punished by gods is something Minos and Sisyphus share (along without their names ending with s). The "flesh prison" of Atlas could be a part of Hell, which we know to be living thanks to the ARG from Sisyphus.
I have a theory, it's that it might be Archangel Michel, and here is why, after God dissapeared, Michel was too loyal to their ideals so he disagreed with the council, sending Gabriel to stop his brother, and retain him in the betrayel layer, but his soul was so noble, and powerful, that became a prime soul, the most probably thing is that it won't happen, but it would be rlly cool
Since the final layer is Treachery, whoever the third Prime Soul is would likely be someone who had committed a great act of betrayal. With that in mind, here are my guesses as to who it might be: * Adam, the first man, who had betrayed God's trust through his consumption of the forbidden fruit. And if that's the case, he could also be a dual boss alongside Eve. * Judas, who betrayed Jesus Christ by selling him out to the Romans for 33 pieces of silver. I picture him having an attack that uses those pieces of silver, which you could use for ricoshots just like the Marksman's coins. * Prometheus, who betrayed the gods by stealing their fire and giving it to humanity, and must now endure having his liver mutilated daily while chained to a boulder. Perhaps in the context of Ultrakill, the "fire" that was stolen could be information on how to win the war that Sisyphus couldn't (albeit information made redundant with V1's arrival and Gabriel killing the Council), and his boss fight could entail using those chains as whips (which cannot be parried while they're on fire, natch). If you have your own ideas, do tell in the replies; I'd love to hear what you think will happen.
Im sure the "fire" has a more narrative reason to exist, as fire in religion is the holy spirit and in the case prometheus, or whatever thing has the fire, would mean that they killed or atleast "defeated" god
while i know that it would be stupid, im kinda hoping the p-3 will have god as the prime soul, but rather then him being killed and trying to reform himself like most prime souls do, he was tricked into willingly dying by the council of heaven, with him being in treachery not because he was a traitor, but because he was betrayed. or him viewing himself as a traitor because he failed his creations and believes he betrayed their trust. it would also kinda fits with the conventions of the other prime souls with him being a king and him letting all of humanity die while he was still around. but its probably just gonna be like judas or adam if im being honest
The two first prime bosses were greek kings and Minos was mentionned in Dante's inferno as ruler of the lust layer. In the greed layer, the souls are rolling boulders for ever, implying Sysiphus. If we follow that pattern, the P3 boss could be Theseus (in violence) or Ulisses (in treachery). As for the Satan boss fight, I think that Gabriel already plays the role of the fallen angel. He literally betrayed heaven. so He will be the final boss I think.
I have a very strong feeling it’s King Midas, if you search up “the three kings of Greek mythology” King Midas appears along with King Minos and Sisyphus and another thing is the ordering, they list it as Midas, then Sisyphus, then Minos, and the sanctums were released in opposite order of listing so it makes a lot of sense that King Midas would be in P-3, in also not sure if this is a coincidence or not but Minos and Sisyphus both end in the letter S which Midas also ends with an S, they are all have very similar personalities and they were all cursed
Like others have pointed out, I belive Cain will be the P3 boss. But what I think could be more interesting is what comes after P3. I think it would be really cool if you unlocked some other extra hard fight if you beat all P sanctums with a P-rank. Like, imagine if after getting P-rank on all sanctums you just straight up fought God. That would be pretty cool.
Honestly I think it's Ixion. He was a greek mythology king (check #1), where he killed Eioneus, the father of Dia, in which he promised to marry her, to avoid paying for bridal gifts, then plain out doing away with Eioneus (check #2, a big crime). Zeus, for reasons known only to himself, took pity on Ixion and offered to absolve him of his guilty crime with a dinner invite to Mt. Olympus thrown in. HOWEVER, Ixion had wronged Zeus almost DIRECTLY by flirting with Hera, Zeus's wife, and then fucking the cloud clone that Zeus made of her, then boasting in the mortal world that he slept with Hera (big fat check #3). Because of this, Ixion was punished by Zeus to forever be spinning on a fiery wheel in Hades. I feel theres a CHANCE at it being Ixion. Give me your thoughts
After reading the Minotaur’s entry for the Layer 7 update, you can see a name that’s be blocked out. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _. This leaves room for a name like King Caesar or King Brutus, so it’s sort of likely that they could definitely be contenders.
I'm personally hoping for Agamemnon or Ixion (who was the first kin-slayer in greek mythology, and would later betray the gods when they gave him the benefit of the doubt for killing his father in law). Agamemnon could easily go into any of the last three layers of Violence, Fraud, and Treachery, and Ixion fits the bill for Violence and Treachery. I don't see Midas being an option as a prime soul here, as his main myth involved his obsession with gold, which would have put him in Greed. Odysseus and Tantalus are two other good options, but I'd prefer the first two, as they are lesser known and have much more potential to be interesting IMO.
I think there’s a good chance it’s Midas prime but I really don’t want it to be because it would have fit so much better as a P-2 fight that would have been foreshadowed in greed
i used to believe it was going to be a Machine that v2 Bullied back then until hakita pretty much confirmed that V2 already killed the said machine Hopefully its gabriel though
I'd like to imaging that P-3 or final boss would be Hakita himself, as the secret in 5-2 shows us climbing a very high slab of stone, afterwards releasing Hakita himself after sacrificing Hampter. I'd also like to imagine that Hampter was the cannonical god , and now Hakita is.
Just realized something. So at the end of act 1, it is said Gabriel will lose Gods light in him After 24 hours. Does this mean act 2 takes 24 hours or less in real time (from V1's perspective?
I hope it follows along its Greek path, since Minos and Sisyphus are both Greek, and having the final prime be a fuckin giant would be awesome, and he could use his chains like awhip
My thoughts dumped all into one place: I'm actually hoping the final "normal" level won't just be the Gabriel rematch - though it would undoubtably fit the theme. I just think the game's finale should tie together some of the lesser known lore Hakita has built up. Hell is canonically alive, an organism with a will of its own - as are the terminals. Maybe the end of layer 9 will involve V1 reaching the very core of hell itself, finally killing it and ending life in hell just as life in the "normal" world perished preceding the events of the game. Maybe even the terminal(s) will put up an active fight? There is no more entertainment to be had, they now need to put themselves on the line. On that note: The final level of the game shouldn't be able to have an exit room like the ones we're used to. There's no deeper place to go, no place that last ending tunnel could lead to. Maybe Gabriel serves less as a judge/lord of hell at this point. So far, Gabriel has been the one to punish denizens of hell for rising up against heaven. Now that he himself has done the same, disrupting all order that heaven had, he makes his last stand as a desparate guardian. Protecting the shred of life hell has left in its midst, he realizes there is no one to stop you if not him. Heaven is dead after all, so hell seems like the only thing left to fight for. As for P-3: I'm hoping for an absolutely BRUTAL gauntlet at first - P-2 was, gameplay-wise, tons more enjoyable than P-1. This could have old and new bosses alike along the way, no matter. As for the boss? Not sure. I don't much know the mythology to back this up, but.. what about theseus? He betrayed Minos's daughter, so he could probably be connected into the story somehow. Now that I've written this though, I'm hoping P-3 will break the chain of Prime Sanctums being lore irrelevant. I'm hoping P-3 will be the fight against hell itself, with everything else just trying to keep it alive, and then the last normal level would complete Gabriel's insurrection, with leftover angels storming and swarming hell. P-3 would have to take place after this: you and the angels both rush towards hall's core, them to protect it, you to kill it. Gabriel is dead by now, so the angels are just trying to mitigate the damage you've caused by this point. And in the end, you could basically say MANKIND IS DEAD - BLOOD IS FUEL - HELL IS DEAD. yeah idk
Prometheus prime would be an interesting character, especially since he would have reason to battle the machine, since he was willing to sacrifice his freedom for humanity and would likely be pissed that you're killing the remains of humanity.
Ixion Prime 1. Follows the theme of greek mythological kings unlike most other options 2. Features a story of fraud/treachery in its basis 3. 7-4 earthmovers are a more or less direct reference to centaurs (they are literally called centaurs in game files), and Ixion is the father of centaurs 4. (imo) It's just extremely cool in concept, like this time we can have a flesh wheel prison to match the mythos
You guys have to remember, the last prime souls were tyrant kings who sinned after going against the gods, before rebelling against them in Hell ending up in one of the third layers. So a similar thing will happen
After a bit of searching. I've found the spot of the P-3 boss (Location actually). You need to select 3 buttons to enter. Where it's placed at? Well, it is placed in the part of which. You get the cart and start to ride, and then you get stopped and fight some enemies. There is a door on that spot. And I noclipped through it and saw the entrance of it.
Considering that the 3 kings in Greek mythology are King Minos, King Sisyphus and King Midas, I think that it might be Midas Prime in the third Prime Sanctum. Although, Minos and Sisyphus had pretty cool stories so I don't think Hakita could make it so that the man who died of starvation because he turned everything he touched into gold suddenly be the strongest being in the universe.
Yeah, also it would make a lot more sense for him to reside in the Greed layer (cause y'know, turning everything to gold), and the title of King of Greed is already taken by Sisyphus.
There are a couple things i want to comment on about the prime levels, I noticed a weird theme that could connect P-1,P-2 and P-3. With that theme being servitude, Minos wants to serve others for the sake of others wellbeing(he himself didn’t need it), Sisyphus wants to serve others for the sake of the self (Mutual wellbeing), so i think P-3 will either show a character who takes from others out of their own need or own desire. This makes me think that P-3 could be a false profit made to mislead or guise others under the illusion of gods ways. Making me think it could either be St. Peter or Samson for disavowing god’s commands. There are a couple other ideas that I have of potential candidates for P-3 but those two are my favorites.
I have a theory for lucifer, while he definitley wont be a prime soul but what if when he was casted in hell got fused with it and caused hell to become sentient, angry and vengeful for being cursed into a form of pure torment for merely asking a question. (Also a fight againts hell itself wall of flesh style would be sick af)
i figure out the system of all acts: ACT 1 layer 1:v2 layer 2:big creature layer 3:gabriel ACT 2 layer 4:v2 layer 5:big creature layer 6:gabriel ACT 3 layer 7:deffinely a robot(v2 comeback or v3) layer 8:big creature....i think layer 9:gabriel (duh) All second layer of all acts we got has a civilization and we fight the ruler of it (like minos and sisyphus) and i think third prime will be the same but who knows.
Nah cause think about it: P-1 was one boss for it's own level, P-2 was a whole level with enemies at the beginning and a boss at the end, P-3 as a giant boss gauntlet makes so much sense
Idea: Tartarus Prime trying to free V1 from a self-made prison (when hell is truly emptied there will be no more blood to take, resulting in almost guarantied death)
I think Cain Prime could be a good shout, with him being the king of the Violence layer. Fighting the first human to ever commit the sin of violence and murder another person seems like it’d be very fitting in Ultrakill. V1 going back and fighting the guy who basically fucking invented murder sounds awesome
Thing is, if at all Cain would be in treachery. The outermost section of layer nine is, after all, named Caina after him for betraying his brother.
"And I'd say he knows a little more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor!"
cain would definitely make sense, favorite prime soul prediction by far
@@maxireigl1919Judas prime
CP....
P-1 was a boss level (like 0-5 in a sense)
P-2 was basically an entire level with enemy spawns
I wouldn't be surprised if P-3 is an entire layer in its own right.
i actually do agree with your theory
P-4 ULTRAKILL two
PLEASE HAKITA
*Insert screenshot of hakita saying that the brain is good at finding patterns even when there arent any*
@@ZleePyIsSleeping i never said that it would be i just said i wouldn't be surprised if it was
i am fully expecting another level like P-2 for P-3
Quick clarification, Hakita NEVER said that he won’t do a Lucifer, devil, heaven fight. The problem with something like Lucifer Prime is that Demons and Angels cannot manifest a Prime Soul. Human souls are quite tenacious without being all that powerful, they can go Prime because they have souls that continue to exist even when their forms are destroyed, but with Demons and Angels it’s a different story. When Gabriel dies, when the council dies, and when Lucifer (a fallen angel) dies, there is nothing after that. They’re inherently magical and supernatural down to the very structure of their body, when that breaks there’s nothing left after that. TL;DR Lucifer Prime cannot happen because Angels physically cannot go Prime
does this mean no optimus prime 😔
Jesus is still a candidate
it was never stated that Jesus lost his physical body after his resurrection.
he was not on the council despite being gods son and only remnant of god.
so what happened to him?
simple he is in treachery for the same reason Minos is, he felt bad for the sinners.
Jesus personally just doesn’t make sense. Forgive me if I’m wrong about this as I am in no facet of the word Religious, but while Jesus is regarded as the son of god, isn’t he also one with God and God is one with him? God has left in the Ultrakill universe, you can’t just leave yourself, so the idea of Jesus still being around while God is gone while both of them being one in the same doesn’t sit right. But Ultrakill still takes it’s own creative liberties so who knows, I just personally find that on a thematic, creative, and logical standing Jesus Prime doesn’t fit
Angels and demons are the same as the monsters from Undertale confirmed
oh man that disincludes my theory of killing gabriel and him turning into a prime soul
Few things about Prometheus: You could interpret the fire Prometheus gave to humans as a form of knowledge and gives a significant boost in every aspect of talent that benefits from it notably weapons, as weapons get more and more advanced which inevitably caused the creation of Blood-fueled machines to be used in War.
I honestly think Prometheus could fit in Violence as well because the eagles that were nibbling on his liver would be replaced by harpies instead that are native to the 2nd level of Violence.
Prometheus would actually be the cause of Free Will on Mankind that God was so pissed about in the Testaments through the fire he gave to Humanity
that sounds good! integrates ultrakill lore vey well.
If that were the case, I wonder how the buildup to the fight would go.
I think he would be in a state of extreme self-loathing, having wanted to help humanity but instead set it on a path of destruction. He still probably wants to defeat V1, be it for the same reason as Gabriel in Heresy, or because he wants to destroy this representation of his mistake, the robots.
maybe the fire is hellish in origin, and he was led to it by the consciousness of hell, kind of like the story of the fruit of knowledge. That would mean that Hell was pulling the strings from the beginning, which would be a cool reveal. maybe the fire is related to Hell Energy. Also that Hell's consciousness is the origin of free will/was born because there was so much of that fire/hell energy
I think Prometheus might be too
conceptually similar to Minos (who’s entire character is around the concept of defying the gods for the sake of morality). The prime two prime souls are extremely different in mentality and actions. So if third prime soul were to ever be added, they would need to a character who has both the overarching theme of defying gods but also have a completely different reason as to why they’re doing it.
it would be cool a mechanic that makes prometheus regenerate
@@sirtimtim786 4:17 BALD BALD BALD.
that would make sense because "the fire is gone"
When asked if we'll fight Satan, Hakita replied (in 2019): "probably gonna go for something else entirely, but satan would be at the very end so I'm not worrying much yet"
That was a long time ago, and we know for a fact that the story wasn't developed yet
@@applejuice281 Yes, my point exactly. He never decomfirmed anything. And if the 5-S terminal is anything to go by, Lucifer _will_ have some role in the story
by "satan would be at the very end" he meant that in Dante's Inferno, Satan/Lucifer is at the very bottom of Hell so Hakita wouldn't have had to worry about it while developing the first layers
he doesn’t mention necessarily fighting him so satan could be present but not really as a entity that you fight directly or even fight at all
@@FireBlaze-kk1ls It'd be cool to see his corpse in Treachery. Could be part of the arena for the last fight against Gabriel.
Prometheus feels almost too perfect for Ultrakill. Minos and Sisyphus are 2 top Gs from mythology, and Prometheus would fit perfectly in their trio.
He is also just like the other 2 very empathetic towards humanity.
@@sosig6445 And all 3 affronted the Gods in some way
Prometheus stole the fire, and gave it to the humans. The fire is gone.
@@gothmfsalemunlike the other three, prometheus would not be human though. Prometheus was a titan, a god, in greek myth so it would be interesting how he would be rewritten to fit in ultrakill.
Would he be a king? A nephelim of some sort? Or since ultrakill leans heavily in the creator god being imperfect, could he be an emissary of outside powers that even god doesn’t know exist? Bringing free will into god’s creations without him knowing or wanting it.
@@lechevalier-ns2pt this is true but it still works, we've seen that ultrakill doesnt have an issue with big enemies
One idea I heard would be Daedalus Prime, chained to the very machines he built. It could also go along with the Machine Prime, for Daedalus' Sin of creating the machines he was chained down by the heavens, but in a last ditch attempt made a machine that was stronger a machine that had a soul
This is not really far-fetched considering all the prime bosses we had so far has been Greek myths and I really don't see much of a reason to sway from that course and go for Christian myth.
Heck, we could take it a step further and say it could be Icarus Prime, instead of Daedalus Prime, an alternate version in which his wings didn't fail thim, yet the gods struck him for defying the very fate he was destined for nonetheless. Now bitter with resentment and a perfect version the wings V1 so carelessly uses, he is now VPrime.
I made a "essay" on why it can be him just go looking in the comments
It is possible, especially considering the fact that there are implications of a source of the soldiers/stalkers cybernetic modifications, which is yet to be revealed.
@@instthatrihgt7347 read the arg lore for the cybernetics explanation
He could be trapped in a labyrinth of his creation
One idea I had was that the P-3's prime soul is a fakeout boss where you instead fight hell itself.
P-3 could be a three hour long level and then some random enemy you kill becomes a prime soul
@@philistiredfilth prime
@@armoredman6941blue filth prime, his prison is the size 2 fish
@@philistired gopro prime
Maurice Prime.
I'm honestly surprised nobody's mentioned Atlas as a candidate for being a Prime Soul. Think about it: He could be the one carrying the writhing mass of Hell on his back, and Atlas could intend to shift the weight of it over to V1.
Imagine killing the thing that is carrying the entirety of hell and making it crash down on heaven.
V1: * *parries all the weight of hell calmly* *
@@Steve_005 + FISTFUL OF THE NINE
I also surprised that nobody talks about Daedalus. Like, he is human, right? And he was the... Like, you know, creator of machines and creator of V series (V1, V2 and maybe V3). So maybe Daedalus can be a P-3 boss.
GOD i would LOVE to fight atlas and see his design and character and i think the idea of him wanting to give the weight to v1 after v1 stumbles upon him would be so freaking cool, i mean v1 is probably the first person atlas has seen in millennia, it's only natural that he would jump at the chance to free himself from his torment
I think it was mentioned in the lore that Heaven really didn’t want anything to do with humanity, so Prometheus being the one to give humanity fire and being imprisoned for it makes sense.
Jesus Prime.
This comment goes hard
It's not happening. Jesus doesn't fit the theme of any of the layers, (Violence, Fraud or Treachery) Was not in Dante's inferno, and when you consider that both Minos and Sisyphus were Greek characters while Jesus is a Christian character, nothing lines up. Also, hakita dislikes uncreative/obvious characters like Satan/Lucifer or Jesus and God, so very unlikely.
Jesus prime
Not likely to be a Prime, but... Where the hell is he? Did God take him outta here while leaving?
New prime flavor goes hard ngl. 💀
honestly i think it'd be a shame to let all of these amazing concepts go to waste
ultrakill'd be a great game for DLC...
Even if it doesnt get a DLC, the level editor will make this game live for a long time after release. Im predicting a three act custom heaven campaign based off paradiso
@@Pyromancer_ the classic let the fans make more content for you
@@theairaccumulator7144 Garry's mod and half life community is crying after seeing this comment
@@Pyromancer_ Don't forget Purgatorio
@@theairaccumulator7144 there's nothing wrong with fans being able to make new content for the game as mods when the game itself is good and finished
One thing that I haven’t seen anyone mention is Tantalus, he fits in with the other prime by A)being a king and B)being complacent/ a part of some people’s deaths during his rule. Not only that but in Greek mythology he was banished to Tartarus, the deepest and lowest part of the underworld only reserved for the worst of the worst. I’m just saying I would be surprised if we see him in one of the lowest layers or as a prime soul
Seriously, I have no clue why nobody talks about him! Tantalus fits in the most with Minos and Sisyphus, a Greek king who in contrast to Minos’ goodness and Sisyphus’ respectable villainy, was a really bad dude (though neither Minos or Sisyphus were any better in the actual Greek myths to be fair); his crime was feeding his son to the gods, which qualifies for all of the final 3 layers (Violence, Fraud, and Treachery), and like Sisyphus (and Minos to a lesser extent?), he was notably punished in the Underworld/Hell like you said. Now, Tantalus wasn’t known for willpower or beloved by man, but neither Minos or Sisyphus were either, at least until the philosopher Albert Camus famously took a new perspective on Sisyphus as the “indomitable human spirit incarnate” or something like that, Greek Myth Minos is still most known for being cheated on with a literal bull, trapping his Minotaur half-son in the labyrinth and ordering human sacrifices to him, holding the labyrinth’s creator Daedalus hostage, and becoming a judge in the afterlife. My point is Ultrakill changes characterization a lot for the sake of the stories it wants to tell, but even so, Tantalus fits right in thematically with Minos and Sisyphus.
@@drpepsi48so pretty much, there is a possibility tantalus would be seen in all layers
@@dnvunderj Yeah, he could work as the King of any of the three layers, (I’m personally betting Fraud but Violence could work too, I don’t think he’d be King of Treachery [since historically 3-1 and 6-1 weren’t used for lore outside of level design], but I could be proven wrong); if he is the next Prime, then he’ll show up in Treachery either way. Even regarding everything I’ve said, that is a big if, for all I know Hakita’s got, idk, Shitos Prime set as the last Prime Soul; while I think Tantalus is the most likely candidate out of everyone the fans have proposed, I won’t be surprised or disappointed if I’m wrong, we’ll just have to wait til Act 3 releases to see
@@drpepsi48 I think its because he's not as "known" by people as Odysseus, Oedipus or hell even Dionysus. Which is why barely anyone talks about him. Yet it makes the most sense out of any other candidate i've heard about.
Yeah, he'd make some sense as an important figure in the Ninth Layer, especially given that in greek myth he's most well know for violating hospitality (which I'd equate to treachery against guests)
Both Minos and Sisyphus are mentioned in their respective layers (Lust & Greed) in Dante's Inferno. However, Odysseus is also residing in the 8th layer in Dante's Inferno, who was a greec mythology king as well. He's most likely to be the P-3 boss in my opinion.
Odysseus has my vote too. In The Odyssey, he goes missing after the trojan war, is assumed dead by his people, but is actually trapped on an island with Calypso.
In The Inferno, he's in the fraud layer for being a manipulator and deceiver who used his power as a king to pursue knowledge and power meant only for God.
So maybe the fight takes place on an island. The build up could be a boat ride capped off by a fight against 2 Leviathans before you fight a gauntlet where the very map is working to kill you: a *flesh island* that moves and shifts like the cybergrind.
After you disable the island you have to directly fight a Calypso boss instead of a traditional flesh boss as the last line of defense before Odysseus Prime.
Or if he has power that matches that of a god, maybe he could conjure some kind of boss rush
@@docbones1313 That'd be neat too!
Glad to see someone else bringing Odysseus up, he's not getting enough attention as a candidate
@@jeb5066 Pretty fucking cool idea dudl
So far we have went 2 chapters without it, and since this is probably the final chapter, Ultrakill will finally have what everyone needs from it , as without it, all those pain and deaths would be for nothing..
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I think that the idea of P-3 containing two prime bosses is very cool. Hype up two kings in act 3, make the community debate over which one will be the real one, and then put both into the game as the prime souls.
Unlikely as it's mostly a one man team and it took him months to make one prime soul
Adam and Eve: The Original Sin
Everyone I saw thought it was going to be a face-off with ferryman prime at P-2, but just like P-1, it was a king. The issue was Sisyphus was not a boss, whereas King Minos’ corpse was. But we should expect another king for P-3, as we know the standard.
bro almost everyone thought that it'll sysi and not ferryman
@@davidzaydullin ok, but people still thought ferryman prime was what was coming.
there is the sisyphean insurrectionist which does tie to sisyphus somewhat
King Odysseus of the island of Ithaca
@@brodiscool2752 mhm
Ultrakill can be shortened to UK (the United Kingdom), and both the colors of V1 and V2 appear in the Union Jack, we also know that Ultrakill takes place in a timeline similar to ours, as a conflict very similar to WW1 happened, so we can assume that Queen Elizabeth II was, or is alive in this universe, so, the 3rd Prime Soul will definitely be "Elizabeth Prime"
Imagine if it is, but it’s Elizabeth the first.
Dionysus seems like a good candidate, since in Greek myth, he was a king before he became a god. Maybe in the fraud layer, because he claimed to be a god in life? He was also mentioned in Dante's Inferno, I think, so he fills out all the same criteria as the other two - Greek kings who are present in Dante's inferno.
Edit - Correction, sisyphus isn't directly mentioned in Dante's Inferno, but the punishment in greed is based on him. Also, It isn't Dionysus in the book, it's Dionysius, who was also a greek king and was damned to the violence layer. Still a strong candidate, I think
Do you mean King Dionysius? I’m unsure of if Dionysus was ever human let alone a king, I believe he has always and forever has been a god?
@@BigOldToaster Yeah I edited my comment before to correct it to Dionysius, and I could've sworn I read something somewhere that Dionysus was a demigod at one point before being granted full godhood but I looked it up and didn't find anything that said that (over two minutes of rigorous research, of course)
@@BigOldToaster Ok after two additional minutes of rigorous research it seems that in many versions of Greek myth that Dionysus was in fact a demigod born from Zeus and a mortal named Semele and was made into a full blown god later like Heracles
Keep in mind that the Prime Souls are all in the final layers of each act, even though they have nothing to do with said layers. Minos was involved with Lust since he became the king of that layer after Heaven put him in charge of being its watcher/warden, and didn't believe that the damned should be punished for who they love, within reason. Sisyphus was involved with Greed because it was where he attempted his rebellion against Heaven, and Sisyphus was a greedy, horrible king in life as well.
If anything, I think the next Prime Soul could be Daedalus, and he could be involved with Violence, since he helped create the machines that genocided Humanity and are now causing chaos in Hell. It would also be a great way to throw in some more lore about the destruction that the machines brought upon their creators, and what better tragedy to base Violence off of than the greatest tragedy of them all: Humanity getting wiped out by their creations. On top of that, we could find him not inside a flesh prison, but instead sitting upon the floor in a prayer position, having repented for what he did and now wishing to destroy the machines, thus filling in the "fulfilled duty" criteria as it would mean he fulfilled his duty of repenting for his sins and accepting the Father's light. It's the only way I can reason V1 having to fight the soul of what is practically its god, its creator.
@@the_furry_inside_your_walls639 although I thought the reason that King Minos was in the lust layer because his wife would turn his lovers into snakes
I'm honestly surprised no one brought up Odysseus as a candidate. He's one of the most influential Greek mythological characters, a king, and regularly used trickery to defeat his enemies in often brutal ways (Trojan Horse, the Cyclopes, etc), placing him pretty neatly in Violence or Fraud. Not that I think any of these theories are bad, but he just fits so well
only problem i see with this is that he was generally loved by the gods (other than poseidon), because he was smart athena decided to help him with the rest of the gods,i dont see why he would end up in hell, especially since he never got punished by the gods
I feel violence was mostly focusing on the whole fight between machines and hell, along with the humanity's fall and the machines that outlast them. Fraud might have the answers or even the layer after it. King minos built a city, sisyphus built an army, so what grand strength will the next king bring and what will his personality be. Remember, most of the kings had opposite personalities than the ones in the myths, so expect the opposite from the next prime soul.
@@The_all_mighty_power I'm pretty sure he's literally in the fraud layer in dantes inferno
I would love to see Adam (Prime), the first man.
Just imagine, God after realizing the faults of it's creation, locks Adam away to avoid facing his failure.
Adam on the other hand, as time passes, is able to know what's happened to the world, heaven and hell, hating not only Heaven for it's cruelness and the Machines for destroying humanity.
I know Adam doesn't even appear in The Divine Comedy, but Hakita didn't read it so I could see it happening
Sisyphus also doesn't directly appear in The Divine Comedy, only his punishment
Sisyphus doesn't appear in The Divine Comedy either, so it's possible.
He does appear in the Comedy: he dwelt in Limbo before he got granted entry into heaven, where Dante meets him in Paradiso.
As long as we're throwing out ideas that likely won't come to fruition, and will only serve to make us disappointed by what could have been, here's some of my ideas! (Disclaimer: The first one ISN'T my idea, and they don't really fit the "king" pattern of the other two Prime Sanctums.) I remember reading a comment from "Lil_Ursa" about Adam Prime, the first man. "Even further below Brutus, Cassius, and Judas, he stands alone in Eden (because a boss fight in a flower field is always good), banished to remain in the paradise he desecrated in retaliation against god. He cut down the forbidden tree and killed the snake as they were only created to manipulate Eve. Armed with his axe he’d be like a hack n slash character more than Minos’ fighting game. If Minos was mad imagine the father of mankind’s reaction."
This idea just excited me.
Second idea, Dante Prime.
Dante Alighieri, that is. I have no further justification or elaboration, other then "C'mon dude, it'd be perfect! The author and main character in The Inferno, AND the namesake of Dante from Devil May Cry? What a poetic conclusion! He'd say some shit like 'I have seen all of hell's deepest, darkest, and most depraved layers.' and then he'd pull out two pistols, and start parrying your robo-ass! It'd be badass!"
Mostly unrelated from prime bosses, I really hope there is SOME kind of encounter with lucifer, cause in the story he's frozen in ice at the very bottom of hell, and the concept of fighting the devil in an ice cavern is too cool to not go anywhere.
But at the end of the day, it's Hakita's game, and he can do or not do whatever he damn well pleases. And considering we have Ultrakill at all, and just how special this game and its first two acts are, I'd say we're in good hands to trust him with the third, final act and prime sanctum.
The possibility of Adam mostly depends on how closely Hakita sticks to the Comedy. Because in Inferno he's stated to have lived in Limbo before he got ascended to Heaven by Jesus and he is present in Paradiso.
@@maxireigl1919 Yeah you are right. It's certainly not actually gonna happen, and it wouldn't really fit in with the two kings, Minos and Sisyphus, but it's kind of a neat idea regardless
PRIME // FIRST // DANTE MUST DIE
OH NAH imagine getting parried by a boss crazy
Did anyone notice the fact that the acts follow a certain formula?
First layer of an act has a V2 boss fight, second layer of an act has a collosal boss fight and the third layer of an act has a Gabriel boss fight.
Everyone notice it
Yes. We've all noticed it. But 7-4 won't be V2 this time, that's for sure.
@@lonelyshpee7873 Probably some other supreme machine
@@olivanthememer Yeah. Unless Hakita decides to suddenly break the formula
@@lonelyshpee7873 unless
This conversation feels like the talks we'd have as kids about like, who could beat goku, or if gohan could beat up satan or something. Like, innocent, excited, and optimistic hypotheticals about cool shows and video games we love. Lmao, I love that Ultrakill really brings that out in us. Figuring out who's in P3 feels a lot like figuring out if master chief is gonna be in the next smash bros game or not.
Fr, I've never been so obsessed with a game's lore since Undertale or DDLC. I just love theorizing and seeing story analysis of this game. It really brings me back to when I used to watch game theory daily lol.
2:54 On the topic of the yellow arm, we actually have a yellow robot that losses a lot of arms, Swordsmachine. I think that the fight we get the yellow arm will be with the original Swordsmachine, if we didn't already fight it in the bossfight. And if we did we might fight a really strong copycat.
The saws machine lol, we could get a sawblade hand that allows us to get blood for the enemy similar to the drill. And we could also get stuck on walls if we.want to
Iirc original swordsmachine is the one we fight in 0-3 (or 0-2, which is kinda uncanon?), but a beefed up copycat could be pretty cool, maybe this one drank too much hell juice.
My thoughts exactly.
That wouldn't make sense from a gameplay perspective since SM has never been a relevant character, is just another cerb, another mindflayer
@@enn1924 The lore says that the original swordsmachine is unrecognizable after the modifications it made to itself. All these other ones are copies.
I think Tantalus would be a great candidate since we follows the "pattern" established with the first 2 prime souls.
This being,
1. Resident of hell i.e dead
2. Must be have been a mortal
3. Must have been previously a king.
4. Must be greek
5. There sins must make sense of what layer there in
Tantalus stole and betrayed the gods and was punished, "he was made to stand in a pool of water beneath a fruit tree with low branches, with the fruit ever eluding his grasp, and the water always receding before he could take a drink." (Wikipedia)
Another possible one that fits with the rules is Salmoneus.
Salmoneus was the guy who pretented to be Zeus right? He was also a king and a greek so it makes sense to put him in fraud.
0:53 I've seen people saying Hakita said Sisyphus wouldn't be the boss of P-2 though, so maybe Hakita changed his mind that one time, those people were lying or Hakita decided to just say "no" to anyone asking what the boss would be for the prime sanctums
The people were lying
Hakita never said such a thing
@@abd-animation-22 see, the problem is that we can't really know who's right or wrong here, until the people who say Hakita denied it give us some evidence or admit that they were lying.
@@packediceisthebestminecraf9007 ultrakill community tries to not gaslight itself challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
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I like to think that in P-3 we will fight Adan and Eve. I think it would make sense for them to be in treachery since they betrayed god by tasting the forbidden fruit and committing the first sin. The fight would begin by having to kill a double flesh prison, that intertwine forming a shape similar to a heart. When ending the prison, two prine Souls fall, Adam and Eve. It would be a double fight, allowing to kill one of the first two, activating the second phase of the other, you know, like Orstein and Smough-. Their attacks would coordinate perfectly and they would end the phrases of each other, They would call you "grandson" as machines are the sons of mankind and they are the fathers of mankind, and they would hate you for killing humanity like Minos did.
Sorry for the bad english, I just think the concept is pretty cool.
Having to fight TWO prime bosses at once is an assult on the senses
Plus, imagine how PISSED they would be at you for being a machine that took part in killing mankind.
Maybe it could be a Tunda/agony situation where one is constantly enraged and the other has more attacks
Technicaly the first sin was cain killing able. because Adam And Eve were forgiven for eating the fruit and entered heaven. It was written that in their last moments they were forgiven for their mistake and the snake lost its legs.
Prometheus Prime could be possible since most all kings in ultrakill are based on greek mythology and Prometheus isn't king, he's a titan
Edit: if i was pretty sure Capaneus Prime is the next and final Prime Souls and in Divine Comedy he was punished for Violent against God by that means he will be king of Violence Layer
4:17 BALD BALD BALD BALD.
Theory : It might be hell itself for p-3.
We already know that hell is a living creature from the arg, and probably plays a direct role in the uk universe, as is implied by the minotaur info screen (though the latter part is purely speculation).
However, there's a problem with this theory: we never got a clear classification of what hell is. As in if it's a demon/angel or something capable of becoming a prime soul.
Another problem with this theory is the fact that we are already IN hell. You'd be practically fighting/trying to damage a room, which is a negligibly small part of hell.
Although it is not completely impossible, we're gonna need a LOT of backing for this theory to hold ground.
Nevermind, It was confirmed by Hakita that the original swordsmachine was the boss in the prelude.
After some thinking while its not going to be a prime boss but probably will be the boss for 7 - 4, Talos. mainly because it's a robot and it's from Greek mythology. the final boss of limbo and greed was V-2, but since hakita said that V-2 is dead and won't come back it'll probably be a different machine. Also, Talos was powered by Ichor, which is called the blood of the gods, so that could lead to some interesting lore.
plus I don't think that P-3 will ever be a machine, since as another guy said here. only humans have souls, so machines probably don't have a soul.
2:58 I believe that’s it going to be the original swordsmachine, because as stated in its terminal entry.
“The Swordsmachine is quite famous due to its combat prowess and selfmade[sic] form, ugly to most but beautiful to enthusiasts, spawning many copycats.” So, it’s likely that the boss swordsmachine we fought in the prelude was nothing more than a copy. Probably won’t be a prime boss.
I believe the swordsmachine in prelude was the original one
Bro it's dead we ALL killed it, THAT'S the OG
Hakita confirmed that the one we fight in the prelude is the original, and he is entirely dead
I had seen a pretty cool Dante Prime concept once, and I think that it would be cool to see in game. Dante being both that layer's obligatory callback to DMC, but also if taking more inspiration from the book rather than DMC, y'know. Another really cool concept that I saw was Judas prime and I thought it was very cool. Either way I'm sure Hakita's choice will be good.
I have a bit of a wild theory that the last Prime might be Gabriel, as hes effectively already gone die given his time is limited, and his will was strong enough to go against the Heavens, but I dont think it would really make much sense lore wise.
Hakita said that angels do not have souls
@@ultrafun2227 angels ARE a soul so they cant have a soul inside hakita is right
@@Playing_games2023 only lesser angels are souls. Greater and Supreme angels are created in Heaven by God
@@ultrafun2227 okay nerd tell me how tf do souls die
Prime Fights aren't canon, so the final boss can't be a Prime fight.
I have an idea that I haven’t really seen yet.
Through this whole game what have you been doing? Killing, destroying everything in your path . Even before the start of the game you killed humanity, you’ve killed machines like you, demons, and all the sort. You’ve killed, destroyed, mauled, and torn apart everything in hell. But there was a first, a first murder, the first taking of a life, the first destruction of a body. Only one soul has claimed that title.
P-3 / / Able to Kill
// Taker of Life //
*Cain Prime*
Yes. lemme gues the dying animation would be V1 stabing him with the same stone knife he wielded to kill Able
im not sure who the p-3 boss is but here is what I think the level layout will be like
1. Another P-2 thing where we fight EVERY enemy in the game
2. Brutus, judas AND casius at the SAME TIME (2 attack while 1 rests)
3. Flesh (idk) but it does nothing but stay there after a short attack similar to flesh panopticon where it turns out that Lucifer had been waiting for you to kill its defenses
4. Lucifer prime
5. final terminal
P-2 has no I forgot the name of the weakest enemy
@@roiwelboren9302 filths
nah the boss will just be chilling in a chair waiting like v2
Flesh Icosahedron
I think the flesh thing will be lucifers corpse, in the style of Corpse of king minos and prime boss will be judas
I think eve prime seems like a good and unique candidate for P-3
Like the first woman Eve?
that simply cannot happen because eve or adam had done nothing wrong and were only tricked by lucifer himself so they wouldnt fit in any of the layers
no, like big stupid robot eve
probably not but still would be cool
I would imagine a prime version of V2 would just be his pure virtual anger forming into a physical being.
now that we have a boss like the earthmover, perhaps the flesh prison will follow the same concept? it could be called the flesh labyrinth, a massive, perhaps even ever-changing maze designed to keep a prime soul trapped and lost even if it woke up
I wish that they would do all 9 layers of hell, having a boss and a Prime for each. This way it can let the fandom continue speculating and allow numerous theories to arise and/or come true
That armored Lucifer looked very similar to my own design I came up with; with the triangle on the face, inclusion of horns, the black and gold armor, and the orange wings.
I've actually had a wacky idea for Act III's layers ever since P-2 and 5-S came out
Violence layer is based on the area you see Gabriel in at the end of Act II, with the starry skies and the forests. The boss of Violence is S1 or S0, standing for Swordsmachine Mark 1 or 0, aka the real og Swordsmachine. S1 is a forest survivalist hunter and after quick section of you beating up a horde of enemies in the trees V1 gets jumped and pinned to a wall by S1 who says some cool line like "Get out of my forest, invasive species." and removes every weapon from V1 except for the feedbacker, the knuckleblaster, and the whiplash. The layer becomes more about movement and gaining new abilities on each of the arms, the Feedbacker can be held down to absorb weak projectiles and when released sends back the force. The Knuckleblaster with single presses gains hellseeds that amplify the explosive force of the punch with each one added, and the Whiplash gains a whirlwind function that lets you spin around the arm like a tornado and shred up enemies while lifting them into the air. Each level ends with a chase from S1 before you manage to get into the terminal, with a cool animation of S1 trying to get through the terminal door but being pushed out before they can get in. (hadn't come up with anything for the climax fight but it'd be some cool shit)
Since it's DMC inspired the Fraud Climax boss could be called "King Cerberus". First thought I had is that it manipulates all three colors of hell energy that being green, red, and orange/yellow. It juggles three balls of each hell energy constantly. Probably be bigger then normal Cerberus by a huge margin and switches between each variation of hell energy, each one being used beyond what all other hell denizens show capable of with it, doin all sorts of cool stuff. King Cerberus rolls on top of the OG Cerberus ball like a circus clown would. Only thing is that I'm not sure what the other bodily differences would be about King Cerberus, maybe it'd have three heads each one facing away from one another on its neck in a triangle form and having more armor plating along its body that makes it look more like it has three heads in a way. Maybe it'd have the one head but each of its shoulders had armor plates with large faces on them that'd sell the legend of the Cerberus a little more.
As for P-3 we figured that either Prometheus Prime or Daedalus Prime would be cool, both would have anger against the heavens though Daedalus could have a connection to Minos which would be extra interersting. I lean towards Daedalus Prime since I imagine the Prime Sanctum would be a hellish core where we finally see how Soldier variants of Strays are made as well as how the Flesh Prison/Panopticon was made, all powered by the creativity of Daedalus. He'd also play into ULTRAKILL's themes of humanity and nobody being better then anyone else, as the final prime sanctum would be a man who's creative endeavors were remembered even in death through his Labrynth being a location in Act III maybe. Ik it's a consistent theme that the Prime Souls' kingdoms and people were wronged, scorned, and are now in eternal suffering or ended, but I think that a more uplifting take for the last one would both be surprising and be fitting.
ummm but... isn't it the moon that Gabriels is on? I mean you can see the earth from that art. Also skies in hell have that funny pattern of being cloudy and all that jazz not in space. Also moon is the first layer of heaven in dante's inferno so it makes sense that Gabriel would chill there.
Another thing is that ultrakill is about that replayabilty and levels and having that core gameplay experiance unshaken. It's a really cool idea with that loosing all your stuff but it doesn't fit with ultrakill. Hakita would just handicap himself by doing all new levels about movement and regaining the actuall fun part of the game.
Sounds like a really cool fan made level tho.
@@skkp8183 ahh I didn’t notice that, yeah then just a normal forest instead. Good point on replyability too, I still think a boss chasing you throughout the layer would be cool
If lucifer was the P-3 boss, I’d like to think the level would be called “Mourning Star”
It feels fitting
I love the boss gauntlet idea. Especially if they add another Cancerous Rodent in there.
Extremely Cancerous Rodent
*CANCEROUS RODENT PRIME*
i actually got a somewhat interesting but most likely not gonna happen p-3 candidate, atlas, someone so enormous that he stretches from the lowest layers of hell to hold up the heavens for eternity and could make for an awesome boss battle idea, going into p-3 and being faced with a giant titan holding up the heavens, having to climb up him and fight chambered enemy areas like in p-2 that eventually, getting to the top, you release him from his shackles and, instead of fighting him, he thanks you, but in doing so, releases what he was guarding so dearly, a prime soul of whoever idk
Prometheus Prime would be very symbolic, because Prometheus created humanity while V1 and machined killed it
I like the Prometheus idea, not only is it in line with the last, 2 prime bosses, all originating from Greek mythology, but also received some form of punishment, Such as Sisyphus's punishment of rolling a boulder up and down a mountain for eternity. It just seems the most plausible when you compare it to the last 3 bosses.
honestly I think that the main motiff of prime souls is human tenacity. Suddenly making the third soul an angel or a titan would ruin it. Though I like the idea of prometheus if his story is changed for him to be human
My prediction is that the last prime souls we are going to fight is dante prime, hes going to be added at the 9th layer update, and before reaching him you have to complete 9 rooms, each is themed like the 9 layers, lore wise he is the first human to explore hell, and he managed to get to the bottom of hell but unfortunately perishes
not many people have noticed that every prime soul was a king in mythology, which means the next prime soul will be a king as well
Solomon?
Greek mythology, in particular. I feel like the next prime soul will be Daedalus Prime
@@KingTwisted except daedalus isnt a king
Brutus does exist in eternal torment in layer 9. It would make sense from a divine comedy and lore perspective. Also, BRUTUS PRIME, sounds intimidating to say the least.
Honestly, despite the fact that it obviously isn't a prime soul, I think the final fight in p-3 would be very fitting if it was hell itself, as in the whole ARG thing and all the terminals, it was shown that hell is 100% alive and watching v1 for fun.
personally i'd say if we're gonna fight hell, it would make more sense to be in 9-2, after killing gabriel
a unique style bonus called +ULTRAKILL when you kill hell would be pretty cool i think
Idc if it’s a dumb idea that will never happen, Optimus Prime PRIME would go hard af!
daedulus would be pretty cool. Maybe he could be imprisoned because he made v1/all machines? Something like that
but what about amazon prime
Cancerous rodent prime
For some reason I get the impression that the third layer is going to be the final one released. Im not sure why, I alas have not been able to follow the games development outside of a few snippets here and there.
But if that is the case I imagine we will inevitably face a major machine boss of some kind. Due to some lore drops over this and the previous updates.
The sanctums themselves seem pretty resolute to revolve around imprisoned kings and the old ways of hell, either before the death of humanity or the rise of the machines. And, between Sisiphus and Minos I can only imagine it will be another greek king of cautionary renown. Maybe someone like Midas if we're going off of the famous bad kings.
If fraud does become its own layer though I almost hope they do a satire on micro transactions using our ingame points (because lets be fair anyone whos been playing this game since release has a ton by now). Greed and such would be fitting here to. So yeah Im putting my bets on Midas for Sanctum boss 3. ^_^
If they do the micro transactions thing it should be based off of sole kind of currency you get in that layer
My best guess is Tantalus Prime. Hear me out.
-Greek King
-Committed Violence, Fraud, AND Treachery (Killed his son, tricked the gods into eating his son, betraying them because they were friends with him)
-Was forced to endure endless dissatisfaction, possibly building up enough resentment to go prime.
I believe P-3 will have us fight HELL ITSELF.
Because a massive lore dump (which occured in an arg after P-2 dropped) confirmed that Hell is one massive entity, making use of the souls it tortures and making them into an army of destruction. It would be badass for us to take out Hell from the inside out, then fleeing through all the rings and watching as it collapses.
Like Pizza Tower's ending, V1 fleeing a crumbling hell.
EXACTLY LIKE THAT.
If we do get a Prime that's a machine, it whole thing can start by assembling the vessel itself by finding the parts in a gauntlet. We are assembling the boss ourselves!
An idea I had was Atlas. His Sanctum would go in the Treachery layer, as he was punished by the gods to hold the planet. Being punished by gods is something Minos and Sisyphus share (along without their names ending with s). The "flesh prison" of Atlas could be a part of Hell, which we know to be living thanks to the ARG from Sisyphus.
flesh prison - holds minos
flesh panopticon - holds sisyphus
atlas - holds flesh planet
I have a theory, it's that it might be Archangel Michel, and here is why, after God dissapeared, Michel was too loyal to their ideals so he disagreed with the council, sending Gabriel to stop his brother, and retain him in the betrayel layer, but his soul was so noble, and powerful, that became a prime soul, the most probably thing is that it won't happen, but it would be rlly cool
Maybe Ulysses?
He was in Dante's inferno too in the frawd layer
I honestly like the idea of the yellow arm coming from a Gabriel figt in Fraud and the final boss of Treachery being something completely else
Since the final layer is Treachery, whoever the third Prime Soul is would likely be someone who had committed a great act of betrayal. With that in mind, here are my guesses as to who it might be:
* Adam, the first man, who had betrayed God's trust through his consumption of the forbidden fruit. And if that's the case, he could also be a dual boss alongside Eve.
* Judas, who betrayed Jesus Christ by selling him out to the Romans for 33 pieces of silver. I picture him having an attack that uses those pieces of silver, which you could use for ricoshots just like the Marksman's coins.
* Prometheus, who betrayed the gods by stealing their fire and giving it to humanity, and must now endure having his liver mutilated daily while chained to a boulder. Perhaps in the context of Ultrakill, the "fire" that was stolen could be information on how to win the war that Sisyphus couldn't (albeit information made redundant with V1's arrival and Gabriel killing the Council), and his boss fight could entail using those chains as whips (which cannot be parried while they're on fire, natch).
If you have your own ideas, do tell in the replies; I'd love to hear what you think will happen.
Im sure the "fire" has a more narrative reason to exist, as fire in religion is the holy spirit and in the case prometheus, or whatever thing has the fire, would mean that they killed or atleast "defeated" god
while i know that it would be stupid, im kinda hoping the p-3 will have god as the prime soul, but rather then him being killed and trying to reform himself like most prime souls do, he was tricked into willingly dying by the council of heaven, with him being in treachery not because he was a traitor, but because he was betrayed. or him viewing himself as a traitor because he failed his creations and believes he betrayed their trust.
it would also kinda fits with the conventions of the other prime souls with him being a king and him letting all of humanity die while he was still around.
but its probably just gonna be like judas or adam if im being honest
The two first prime bosses were greek kings and Minos was mentionned in Dante's inferno as ruler of the lust layer.
In the greed layer, the souls are rolling boulders for ever, implying Sysiphus.
If we follow that pattern, the P3 boss could be Theseus (in violence) or Ulisses (in treachery).
As for the Satan boss fight, I think that Gabriel already plays the role of the fallen angel. He literally betrayed heaven. so He will be the final boss I think.
Noone mentioned Michael - real Righteous hand of God
Prometheus would work well in the treachery layer seeing as he gave fire to man, and treachery is a layer of ice
I have a very strong feeling it’s King Midas, if you search up “the three kings of Greek mythology” King Midas appears along with King Minos and Sisyphus and another thing is the ordering, they list it as Midas, then Sisyphus, then Minos, and the sanctums were released in opposite order of listing so it makes a lot of sense that King Midas would be in P-3, in also not sure if this is a coincidence or not but Minos and Sisyphus both end in the letter S which Midas also ends with an S, they are all have very similar personalities and they were all cursed
Now just hear me out, Dracula prime.
I don’t know.
Like others have pointed out, I belive Cain will be the P3 boss. But what I think could be more interesting is what comes after P3.
I think it would be really cool if you unlocked some other extra hard fight if you beat all P sanctums with a P-rank.
Like, imagine if after getting P-rank on all sanctums you just straight up fought God. That would be pretty cool.
Honestly I think it's Ixion. He was a greek mythology king (check #1), where he killed Eioneus, the father of Dia, in which he promised to marry her, to avoid paying for bridal gifts, then plain out doing away with Eioneus (check #2, a big crime). Zeus, for reasons known only to himself, took pity on Ixion and offered to absolve him of his guilty crime with a dinner invite to Mt. Olympus thrown in. HOWEVER, Ixion had wronged Zeus almost DIRECTLY by flirting with Hera, Zeus's wife, and then fucking the cloud clone that Zeus made of her, then boasting in the mortal world that he slept with Hera (big fat check #3). Because of this, Ixion was punished by Zeus to forever be spinning on a fiery wheel in Hades.
I feel theres a CHANCE at it being Ixion. Give me your thoughts
bro was down bad for condensation
@@pleaseceasethistomfoolery this is the comment of the week for me
After reading the Minotaur’s entry for the Layer 7 update, you can see a name that’s be blocked out. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _.
This leaves room for a name like King Caesar or King Brutus, so it’s sort of likely that they could definitely be contenders.
To continue the pattern of mythological Greek Kings, I'd say the boss of P-3 would be one of: Agamemnon, Odysseus, Midas, and Tantalus
I'm personally hoping for Agamemnon or Ixion (who was the first kin-slayer in greek mythology, and would later betray the gods when they gave him the benefit of the doubt for killing his father in law). Agamemnon could easily go into any of the last three layers of Violence, Fraud, and Treachery, and Ixion fits the bill for Violence and Treachery. I don't see Midas being an option as a prime soul here, as his main myth involved his obsession with gold, which would have put him in Greed. Odysseus and Tantalus are two other good options, but I'd prefer the first two, as they are lesser known and have much more potential to be interesting IMO.
If we get Midas Prime, I hope to god Hakita makes the flavor text under the PRIME///3 part "All That Glitters."
@@lordpumpkinhead265 YES!! YES! THAT IS GOOD! but the only thing I realise now, is that midas wasn't an *evil* king. Just a guy who made a bad wish
Something makes me think that we will fight the Hell itself, as it was uncovered that the Hell is a living, thinking superorganism.
I think there’s a good chance it’s Midas prime but I really don’t want it to be because it would have fit so much better as a P-2 fight that would have been foreshadowed in greed
i havent thought of that, but i think it WILL be Midas, since every prime soul that we know about is a king in mythology
@@toxdz_quack8466 "you need to be really dumb to include characters called Minos and Midas in one story"
-Hakita
i would laugh my ass off if optimus prime was there as a joke boss
I have a theory. I think the yellow arm is going to be Gabriel’s swords.
i always thought it would be a swordsmachine sword arm, maybe we fight a huge swordsmachine at some point...
i used to believe it was going to be a Machine that v2 Bullied back then until hakita pretty much confirmed that V2 already killed the said machine
Hopefully its gabriel though
@@colasap I’ve heard the sword machine theory a lot, and I doubt it’s true, but who knows?
I'd like to imaging that P-3 or final boss would be Hakita himself, as the secret in 5-2 shows us climbing a very high slab of stone, afterwards releasing Hakita himself after sacrificing Hampter.
I'd also like to imagine that Hampter was the cannonical god , and now Hakita is.
Just realized something. So at the end of act 1, it is said Gabriel will lose Gods light in him After 24 hours. Does this mean act 2 takes 24 hours or less in real time (from V1's perspective?
V1 does complete the levels in a few minutes so it kind of makes sense for Gabriel to still be alive
Well it seems act 2 took at least 12 hours based on how much time Gabriel had left
I hope it follows along its Greek path, since Minos and Sisyphus are both Greek, and having the final prime be a fuckin giant would be awesome, and he could use his chains like awhip
My thoughts dumped all into one place:
I'm actually hoping the final "normal" level won't just be the Gabriel rematch - though it would undoubtably fit the theme. I just think the game's finale should tie together some of the lesser known lore Hakita has built up. Hell is canonically alive, an organism with a will of its own - as are the terminals. Maybe the end of layer 9 will involve V1 reaching the very core of hell itself, finally killing it and ending life in hell just as life in the "normal" world perished preceding the events of the game.
Maybe even the terminal(s) will put up an active fight? There is no more entertainment to be had, they now need to put themselves on the line. On that note: The final level of the game shouldn't be able to have an exit room like the ones we're used to. There's no deeper place to go, no place that last ending tunnel could lead to.
Maybe Gabriel serves less as a judge/lord of hell at this point. So far, Gabriel has been the one to punish denizens of hell for rising up against heaven. Now that he himself has done the same, disrupting all order that heaven had, he makes his last stand as a desparate guardian. Protecting the shred of life hell has left in its midst, he realizes there is no one to stop you if not him. Heaven is dead after all, so hell seems like the only thing left to fight for.
As for P-3: I'm hoping for an absolutely BRUTAL gauntlet at first - P-2 was, gameplay-wise, tons more enjoyable than P-1. This could have old and new bosses alike along the way, no matter. As for the boss? Not sure. I don't much know the mythology to back this up, but.. what about theseus? He betrayed Minos's daughter, so he could probably be connected into the story somehow.
Now that I've written this though, I'm hoping P-3 will break the chain of Prime Sanctums being lore irrelevant. I'm hoping P-3 will be the fight against hell itself, with everything else just trying to keep it alive, and then the last normal level would complete Gabriel's insurrection, with leftover angels storming and swarming hell. P-3 would have to take place after this: you and the angels both rush towards hall's core, them to protect it, you to kill it. Gabriel is dead by now, so the angels are just trying to mitigate the damage you've caused by this point. And in the end, you could basically say MANKIND IS DEAD - BLOOD IS FUEL - HELL IS DEAD.
yeah idk
Prometheus prime would be an interesting character, especially since he would have reason to battle the machine, since he was willing to sacrifice his freedom for humanity and would likely be pissed that you're killing the remains of humanity.
My theory for the yellow arm is we just rip off Sword Machine’s sword and go full Demoknight on all of Hell
OOO THEY GON HAVE TO GLUE YOU BACK TOGETHER
Soundtrack "the fire is gone" is a reference to Prometheus and the Fire of Life.
Ixion Prime
1. Follows the theme of greek mythological kings unlike most other options
2. Features a story of fraud/treachery in its basis
3. 7-4 earthmovers are a more or less direct reference to centaurs (they are literally called centaurs in game files), and Ixion is the father of centaurs
4. (imo) It's just extremely cool in concept, like this time we can have a flesh wheel prison to match the mythos
You guys have to remember, the last prime souls were tyrant kings who sinned after going against the gods, before rebelling against them in Hell ending up in one of the third layers. So a similar thing will happen
In the wise words of hakita: “V2 is fucking dead”
One could also consider that if you p-rank everything(including the prime sanctums) on ultrakill must die they could prolly add in a bonus secret
After a bit of searching. I've found the spot of the P-3 boss (Location actually). You need to select 3 buttons to enter. Where it's placed at? Well, it is placed in the part of which. You get the cart and start to ride, and then you get stopped and fight some enemies. There is a door on that spot. And I noclipped through it and saw the entrance of it.
Considering that the 3 kings in Greek mythology are King Minos, King Sisyphus and King Midas, I think that it might be Midas Prime in the third Prime Sanctum. Although, Minos and Sisyphus had pretty cool stories so I don't think Hakita could make it so that the man who died of starvation because he turned everything he touched into gold suddenly be the strongest being in the universe.
Yeah, also it would make a lot more sense for him to reside in the Greed layer (cause y'know, turning everything to gold), and the title of King of Greed is already taken by Sisyphus.
The guy who sculptured the minotaur could be the next prime soul.
i would love to see like an ultrakill part 2 where v1 would go through heaven after he slays the layers of hell
Lucifer's corpse functioning as P-3's flesh prison would be pretty cool
There are a couple things i want to comment on about the prime levels, I noticed a weird theme that could connect P-1,P-2 and P-3. With that theme being servitude, Minos wants to serve others for the sake of others wellbeing(he himself didn’t need it), Sisyphus wants to serve others for the sake of the self (Mutual wellbeing), so i think P-3 will either show a character who takes from others out of their own need or own desire. This makes me think that P-3 could be a false profit made to mislead or guise others under the illusion of gods ways. Making me think it could either be St. Peter or Samson for disavowing god’s commands. There are a couple other ideas that I have of potential candidates for P-3 but those two are my favorites.
yo,furry
A saint?
I have a theory for lucifer, while he definitley wont be a prime soul but what if when he was casted in hell got fused with it and caused hell to become sentient, angry and vengeful for being cursed into a form of pure torment for merely asking a question. (Also a fight againts hell itself wall of flesh style would be sick af)
i figure out the system of all acts:
ACT 1
layer 1:v2
layer 2:big creature
layer 3:gabriel
ACT 2
layer 4:v2
layer 5:big creature
layer 6:gabriel
ACT 3
layer 7:deffinely a robot(v2 comeback or v3)
layer 8:big creature....i think
layer 9:gabriel (duh)
All second layer of all acts we got has a civilization and we fight the ruler of it (like minos and sisyphus) and i think third prime will be the same but who knows.
Noah prime: (biased I know) imprisoned for the ultimate sin of saving humanity
Nah cause think about it: P-1 was one boss for it's own level, P-2 was a whole level with enemies at the beginning and a boss at the end, P-3 as a giant boss gauntlet makes so much sense
Idea: Tartarus Prime trying to free V1 from a self-made prison (when hell is truly emptied there will be no more blood to take, resulting in almost guarantied death)
Prometheus is a good candidate as so far both prime souls had a lot of compassion for humanity and that fits prometheus aswell.