The sorry state of the Redeemer in 3.23 (Star Citizen) EPTU
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 เม.ย. 2024
- Just my thoughts on the state of the redeemer in the current ptu cycle. From a multicrew pvp guys perspective, its in a terrible state. If you agree with me, make some noise and try to get CIG to do something about it!
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They will continue to have this kind of stupid issue with balancing as long as thrust is just a number they decide arbitrarily, and as long as all other stats that should depend on thrust and mass are random instead of being based on physics.
I am curious why a solo Corsair which is an Explorer ship is better then the Redeemer solo as a Gun Ship.
Great Video and explanation on the status of the Redeemer.
Shank you very much!
It's been in a bad state for a while. The torque imbalance it gets when anything looks at it the wrong way or the death spins when it takes any significant damage. If you want a gunship for PVE, it's better to use the A2. More firepower, the ability to take cargo, similar shields, maneuverability etc. But the A2 takes damage and is still quite flyable.
Agreed completely. A2 has been my go to gunship for awhile, it does everything the redeemer does, better, with more options and capabilities. Redeemer isn’t viable in its own class, and gets walked by a solo in a hornet lol
Ya but it has snacks. I'm a big snack guy.
I'm going to be that guy.
Once we have armor and minimum damage thresholds, a lot of This gets buffed out.
It is taking way too long tho.
good video. we came to the same conclusions.
Cig is making it pretty hard for players to co op in a damn mmo style game . No wonder you have trolls and soloist .
This video actually gave me pause as i was right on the edge of buying it today. I love the concept of the Redeamer. I've test driven one in one free fly or other. It ticks a lot of the right boxes but i didnt get a chance for a real shakedown cruise. I think i am going to opt for the Andromeda, for now, and just watch for the improvements you called out.
Concept is great, small little gunship with a small crew, soft skinned but thick shielding and able to hold its own!
Execution of that concept was terrible and the neglect it’s seems since it became flyable is painful to see. Andromeda is all around better currently for sure.
I like it cus it looks like a space orca
Space orca with prosthetic hair straightener for fins
Imo this ship could be perfect if it has more cargo
Lol, i hope you make more videos in this tone. I think its funny: you talking shit about the ship.
Edit: in fact, you got my sub
Already planning one for the Vanguard series lol. Appreciate ya man!
Redeemer is suppose to be very viable to destroy. I think they will update this because it makes nos ense for it to be useless.
100% agree.
I almost exclusively play the Hammerhead and the Redeemer. Same thing. At this rate, I wonder if I'll even continue to play SC.
The multicrew (and the redeemer) brought me to SC, but the developers don't play these ships, they're missing the point.
There's no way I'm going to run around in a multicrew ship to prolong the ship's life before its certain death. It won't be fun, except for the fighters dissecting the big ship.
Some nice demonstration and comparison to each of the ships.
Personally I've hated the redeemer since they redesigned it into some weird backwards, half assed, potato gunship and then made up for it by making it the meta multicrew ship with OP firepower & health.
It can go toe to toe with basically any ship and win with a crew of 3 so I'm glad its getting a bit of a "nerf" or at least a shift back into its role as something you might see orbiting its target slowly and saturating the area like an AC130.
Buddy.... what game have you been playing. The deemer has been useless for sometime now.
@@UnlimitedKarma What makes you say that? In my experience for combat it will pretty much shred anything other than light fighters (if the light fighter is good).. Basically anything from cutlass size to HH it will annihilate and with laser weapons it can go toe to toe with an Idris.
I agree with you 100% - keep in mind its still early stages of MM = every ship will get reworked to their final stages once they manage to get to them
@Az-tek1 ok so you are talking about pve... in pvp the deemer is useless. It gets absolutely shredded by any and every combat ship aside from the other trash ones like a freelancer mis, or a connie and corsair. Anything from the light fighter to heavy fighter range trivializes the redeemer.hh and a2 have more firepower and manuevarbility and destroy it.
@@UnlimitedKarma We mostly use it in pvp, org vs org skirmishes.. A skilled pilot in a light fighter is practically top of the food chain, I'm not sure what you classify as a heavy fighter, Vanguards and Scorpius's tend to die pretty quick. The F8 & Ares are pretty effective but they have been part of the meta for a while now. Even so most fighters require it to be multiple fighters vs the Redeemer.
In my experience we have seen good results against hammerheads and A2s, most medium fighters, most heavy fighters and any midsize ship doesn't really stand a chance.. maybe we just use it differently 🤷♂
friend has a redeemer, and it was terrible - they need to stop releasing ships that aren't 100% ready for production.
good stuff! I still have hope for the ship!
CIG doesn't know how to balance or make a game. Its just a tech show.
Sounds like your new to the game. Good luck.
The sorry state of star citizen would be a more apt title are AI still standing on plants and chairs?
I wish people would stop complaining about ship balance in master modes. They only just put MM into the game to get feedback on master modes as a system. There are only like 2-4 ships that are actually in a somewhat tuned state right now (the gladius in particular, as it is the SQ 42 poster child).
It has been in internal testing for 2 years before this, when people say "They only just put MM into the game", to me at least, it seems like master modes was only just a port and they did nothing to change that but adding nav mode or something. Im not bashing the mode, but i feel like when it take 2 years for something, they could've balanced stuff out before going to the pu, they have over 100 ships in the game and how long is it going to take them to balance every ship. If they show what the modes look like in SQ 42 and then in the PU i would feel better, but also now if they change stuff in the PU will they change stuff for SQ 42?
@@Harry_potter_the_1st it was in testing for squadron which has a very limited number of ships you can fly.
The issue is so many SC fans don't realize that contractually squadron 42 is a freaking anchor around CIG's feet because they legally HAD to bring it out due to kickstarter abck when it and star citizen were the same product, so squadron got all the focus.
There hasn't been any squadron vids showing off a redeemer so odds are really good it's not in squadron which means the redeemer for example never got tuned.
People complaining about "balancing" don't seem to understand that if it isn't in squadron, it is near the bottom of CIG's priority list.
@@TheWorldsprayer Actually i didn't know that they had testing for sq42 but you last line has me worried because at what point are they ever going to balance master modes, or at least say it finished. So im hopping they ether heavily rework the base framework for MM or just scrap it all together, because there is a point that you can no longer balance a game with out changing the fundamentals again, so im just waiting for what the next flight mode is.
CR hates the Redeemer - he tried to vote it out of the TNGSS in the final round, but the backers not only voted for it to stay but also made it win the competition.
CR also hates the Redeemer because of what he stated for the $65,000,000 stretch goal in that goal's description and what is proving to be so difficult to implement.
CR further hates the Redeemer because it's NOT his design nor his concept.
To make it flight ready, he gave John "Ship hatchetman" Crewe the job of making it ready, proving how much CR hates the ship.
John Crewe was part of making almost every ship flight ready so your final point doesn't make sense.
@@TheWorldsprayer How long have you followed development? Jon Crewe only became Vehicle Pipeline Director in 2021 ... NINE years after development started, and only 3 years ago. At the time he finished up the Redeemer he was only a Senior Vehicle Developer (a position he took over when Josh Coombes (designer and developer of the Cutlass) left CIG.
Game hasn't been optimized or final balanced. It'll come.
Let me tell you that Spectrum is so much full of negativity from people who haven't even played MM more than a hour in AC (and sometimes even less) that CIG is actually contacting some orgs to gather "real users feedback". That's where we are at.
More Like the sorry and horible state of Master Modes in 3.23
My baby--- NOOOOOOOooooooooOOOOOO!
Redeemer was my dream ship... i bought it few years ago and now it bacomes complete trash...
Then in a patch or two it might be good again, then bad, then people will forget about it on release. Then it will get buffed.
Buy the damn ship because you like it, not just because it's alpha 3.xxx flavor of the month
she needs a rework, remove the jumpseats, move the hab upstairs and make the lower deck dedicated cargo, along with components or something
People just need to stop buying expensive multicrew ships. The game makers artificially nerf them way too much. All you need is a single seat fighter and some friends in single seat fighters to kill anything in the game. You can buy those in game in an afternoon of mission grinding. That's your best bet.
5 hornets is more viable and effective than 5 people in a gunship, that’s how it was in 3.22.1 and back, and MM hasn’t fixed that yet, so you’re right there.
they definitely gotta buff turret health for all ships across the board tho. that being said, it has two s3 shields vs the one shield on a connie, so it should be slower.
I agree with you!
Umm sry but the redeemer is still just a hair straightener.
Deemer has the same shields as a HH, thus the same-ish crappy handling lol
Hammerhead actually has better Pitch, otherwise close to identical stats agility wise.
Considering how OP the Redeemer has been vs PVP or PVE to any ship that stands in its way - Im happy it finally got a nerf - Turret HP can get a buff across ALL SHIPS - not just the Redeemer although since the Redeemer has 2x S3 Shields compared to Connie's or Corsair's only 1x S3 Shield Generator - im glad its top speed / movement got nerfed out & that it flies slower & less agile overall. Maybe now it won't become the meta anymore & people finally explore other options to choose from
Yea ima stop you there chief, what world are you living in? The redeemer has never been OP, hasn’t even been remotely competitive since it’s release into the PU. It’s always been super sluggish, it’s always been vulnerable to getting engines and turrets shot off, it’s always been outshined completely by the Hercules series, it has the same firepower as a Connie and Corsair, just on turrets, and has no cargo, no snub, and is meant strictly for combat, with minimal armor, which is why it has a second shield (that it wasn’t supposed to have). Master modes just nerfed it harder, it was never in a good state prior.
@@Zealot_117 I am gonna ignore what you said cuz you obviously are one of those who are salty that it got a nerf :kekw
@BigLD I am just gonna stop you there guy, with this level of thinking, arrows and fighters should spontaneously explode for no reason just for -balance-. If a mark 2a has half the firepower a dedicated gunship, we be in trouble gameloop wise
Do you really think a Connie or Corsair should be competing with a Redeemer? There should be a significant difference between cargo haulers and a dedicated gunship.
@@Kiyomoto657 I stand by what I said
Please open, in spectrum to fix.. Redeemer now Sux so bad.. so stupid the Nerf... and Andromeda S5 laser now...
It's not an intentional nerf. They just haven't balanced it for MM yet, like a lot of the ships in the game. It's okay, you're gonna be okay 😂
@@JamestheKilljoyyep people whining and selling their ares ions due to the current state of the weapons right now.
Gotta tell people to buy ships if they really like the intent behind it, not because it's powerful right now
People always moan about X ship doesn't get love, they have 100 ships to balance and bring up to spec, Wardens need it as well, they still have no buttons for doors.
You sound like a player with no ships..
@@danny1988221 I have a Warden, you do know it hasn't got the new button updates like the other ships, you still have to open the door by highlighting it so it shows how little you know.
Edit the troll deleted his post. LOL
Nerds shouldn’t curse. You sound silly. Just be you. Don’t try to be like the loser gamer kid crowd.
You are overreacting to a ridiculous level 😂
When 3.23 drops, most of the ships in the game will not have been balanced/worked on yet and will feel pretty garbage compared to ships like the Hercules, Gladius, Bucc, ect. that have been tested thoroughly and balanced for the new flight mode. They really shouldnt have given us MM until most of the ships in the game were balanced for it. It's pretty dumb. However, its also not worth panicking about, your favorite ships will be adjusted before 4.0, CIG is putting the resources into it. Dont melt your Redeemer just because it wont be the perfect flight experience for a patch or two 😂
Spectrum posts on the state of multicrew, IC upvotes and contributions have done nothing , so it’s off to TH-cam I go! Point is, the redeemer has been consistently neglected patch to patch to patch, every since it’s release and A1 cried about it being hard to kill solo. Nobody is panicking here lol, just tired of the state of it.
@@Zealot_117 I get it. I'm a long time Bucc owner and that ship didn't get love for years. They just now gave it some much needed attention now that MM are here.
There are 150+ ships in the game now. Be patient, yours is somewhere on the to do list
Remember, you have less than 6 months for 4.0 to come out 🤡 as quoted my clown Roberts himself. The funny part about all of this is that he said "hopefully" to cover his own arse. He said they will "hopefully" release it all while giving the entire backerbase the feeling that it will be here in 12 months.
4.0 isn't coming this year, bro. The last citcon was just that, a con.
@@AllergicFungus never said it was. You're arguing with no one 🤡
@@JamestheKilljoy I agree with this as well - just cuz redeemer sucks now doesn't mean it will continue to suck once all ships get reworked/balanced to their final stages
not to bad that redeemer sucks now, its only 365 dollars lol.. who can be so out of their minds to buy their shit for real dollaz
me
To back the game and increase your concierge tier level 🤷♂️
If you don’t like it , you still can melt it in to have website currency to switch for another ship after that is the same value after 💯
They got paid so its enough to leave the project for some years.
You need to chill out, dude.
I know right. The ship hasn't been balanced for MM yet, like most ships in the game. It will take time. It's like going to an Indian restaurant, ordering a Tandoori (takes about 50 minutes to cook), and complaining 2 minutes later that your food isn't ready. It's just childish whining lol
Rebalancing is awesome, keeps everything fresh and exciting, this isn't COD where you think you can rule, you'll have to work for it, and learn to fly that ship with a crew you plonker
I don’t play COD, I exclusively do group fights and multicrew in the PU, and even with a a crew the redeemer is still one of the worst for pvp
who cares.. it's a redeemer
If you post something like this why wouldn't you also post an IC link for something like the offset buttons?