Collision 2019 Grand Finals - Nairo (Palutena/Ganondorf) vs Marss (Zero Suit Samus) - Smash Ultimate
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- This Super Smash Bros. Ultimate tournament match features Nairo as Palutena & Ganondorf vs Marss as Zero Suit Samus. This Grand Finals at Collision 2019 was livestreamed on 3/16/19.
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Nairo was born to use Palutena; his name contains her whole moveset.
I don’t often laugh out loud at youtube comments, well played good sir
He might be maining Ike in secret too
?
Ice Mage Nair
Context?
"So marss is one game away from winning collision"
*sees how much time is left on the video*
hm
I still dont know what happened
that is so annoying - every time I accidentally move my cursor the match gets spoiled.
That's why I never look at the time in these.
@@mackalrath Agreed. Just happened to myself as well. I think they should add like 3 minutes of extra fluff at the end of these matches to counter act this from happening on the vods
@@clay2889 BTS removed that because it was bad for their videos apparently.
Fear a gamer that shows up to a torni in pajama pants. For they do not fear death.
That was really good lol
Bruh I know you didn't mean tourney.
And then Marss did it again at Genesis 7, what a madman.
Zero Suit Samus basically haunting Nairo's Palu for leaving her
How did Samus float mid air with down+a, at 6:30??
Joachim Tacha I think it was a glitch where you’re upwards movement from jumping countered the dair movement. For me it happened with bayoneta
Joachim Tacha
Because dair doesn’t ignore momentum. It’s even possible to go up despite that move if you were going up fast enough before hand.
Joachim Tacha getting launched upwards and using a down air super early cancels the momentum out and you just get an active hit box. It works with zss, Greninja, Sonic, bayo, sheik, etc. this was in smash 4
@@emantv6343 this doesnt work with greninja
I love how Nairo can always smile and roll with the blows.
Innertuber40 he has to he has sponsorships he has to act professional regardless of anything
he wasn't always like that, really proud of how far hes come in his sportsmanship and attitude
Innertuber40 that’s sounds hella gay lol
Therealbjr it reallly doesn’t tho Thearealblowjobr
@@soundsbyzer0 *leffen wants to know your location*
Nairo mains the Goddess of Light and the King of Darkness
Thanos: "Perfectly balanced. As all things should be."
Good job
I mean his name contains both their movesets
@@ethanwhite6028 Copying comments is lame
James Rivera 🤫 you caught me
Not sure if a King equates to a Goddess but this was written well
When former waifu is your opponent...
Who is the answer? The new waifu?
Or BOOOORIYA?
@@Dave_Chrome Every time you here DOOOORIYA someone is sent to heaven
People still asking why Nairo isn't consistently maining Ganon. He reverse 3-0'd Light and then lost the first two games to Marss. Ganon isn't consistently viable to win bracket. That's all there is to it.
its too early to say that. give ganon a chance at least.
More like Nairo isn't consistently viable to win brackets, I love him but his performance is either at its peak or he plays like trash all tourney. Then the occasional throw too.
I mean in that first game it was down to last stock last hit situation
@@mcdonald5519 dont bother using actual logic bro. people just want extreme overreaction takes online and dont bother looking any deeper then "3 stock, 2 stock" etc.
Yeah you’re right, not saying you can’t pull of wins with him but it’ll get very difficult. Especially against a good Zero Suit player. Has way more in their arsenal to be able to neutralize Ganon. You can definitely get that win but it takes A LOT OF WORK to get that win
Marss is very fun to watch, glad he is getting some decent tournament results.
@narmaK He followed what was in his right to do, you moron
@narmaK I don't even know what happened.
EpicxOfficial people way overreacted and wishes didn’t know rare tourney rule. People way too quick to hate on players pretty much.
Michael Aguilar can we have a summary of what happened? Out of the loop :(
@@wh3elson From what I've seen, the crowd was telling Marss' opponent to "Flare Blitzs again" or whatever, and Marss considers that to be coaching, which isn't allowed. He basically wanted to have a do-over over that. At least, that's what I believe happened.
Marss actually has the best DI of any pro player
the dude is fucking hard to kill, its kinda scary
Even now not being current top 10, this is still true imo. Bro is just insane at it.
"Mars is one game away from being the collision champion"
**Looks at video length**
*Are you sure about that?*
Ganon: loses 2 games, the second one by a 2 stock defecit, potentially causing nairo to lose the set
Palutena: gets a reverse 3-0, then 1-3 after marss adapts
everyone in the comments: OMG ganon is so good, I LOVE nairo's ganon! Beastmode! I just wish he was as good with palu...
Lol ikr? I mean you gotta give much props for Nairo using Ganon here and there to get this far. But all that momentum was crushingly silenced after playing against Marrss' ZSS
It’s way more exciting to see a player smash with Ganon rather than do it with the well known top tier.
It's not exciting to watch Ganon get destroyed. He should be a counter pick, not a main.
ihave2cows if he kept playing Ganon he would’ve won
But the fact that he went Ganon for the first two games while he was in losers is crazy and it wasn't even that bad
When your two favorite ZSS players go against each other 👀👀👀 #loveyoutoojuice !
Never sleep on Juice :D
Nairo was my favorite zss player, but ever since he dropped zss, I've been into marss. I was hoping marss would win :)
* one favourite (Nairo dropped Zss)
I'm so glad they got you guys for this event.
You mean GLaD
@@xVxCaimxPx You mean *REDACTED*
Nairo showing off the god like power of the king of the gerudo
Yeah 2 losses.
Lol
@@lay-lowandsmash1519 Ganon got him to grand finals.
@@Josh-we8mp I know.
@@Josh-we8mp Eh it was really Palutena that got him through Losers finals into Grand Finals
He got wrecked when he played Ganon. Dorf is really overrated.
I'm glad Marss evolved his ZSS. I'm rewatching this and I noticed that for some reason he refused to mix up his recovery. Like Keitaro said, the flip kick was beginning to be predictable but his current ZSS now is way more flexible
Wow, i can't belive you don't know, i wish i was like you lmao
Good on you, making positive of these odd recommendations
The ex-girlfriend's revenge
Have to admit. It was satisfying to see Nairo get bested by ZSS of all characters.
6:30 the hell is that.
Quiet Fries I was thinking the same. What is that?
I’m so confused how did he stall her dair like that???
Joshua Pandorf I believe you have to hit DAir quickly out of hitstun
udderhippo pretty much, but I think it doesn’t happen as much anymore since a few patches ago
Victor Escalona it never happens anymore
Nar should def keep using Ganon in the future
Or literally anyone else
Big Boss ' you was really that lazy to type "Nairo"
Jottrato doesn’t flow as well as well so I used he shortened version
Depending on his opponent. Some match-ups are horrible for Ganon.
Vibranium Shield that’s basically every character though
Hype Ganon play from [REDACTED]
Not Redacted anymore
I do appreciate Marss staying true to his character and adapting to the nerfs and not dropping the character because they're not top 5 anymore. I'm not calling Nairo out, I just really enjoy character loyalty.
Foreal man, nairo was my favorite zss player, and he really let me down dropping her. Marss is my favorite player to watch now, and I was really hoping he would win.
He just likes that ass ZSS has
Nairo doesn't feel ZSS anymore, he still thinks she's a good character. It's not that he dropped her because she's not good enough anymore
Hes playing a character below zss, whats your point?
He's not playing top 5 characters tho
Did anyone else notice at 6:30 ZSS stayed floating for a sec during downair?
Yeah, in the beginning of Ultimate, there was a bug with falling dairs like that (Toon Link had it too, for example) that made you float upwards a bit and to leave you floating there if you did it right out of tumble, it was "fixed" in a later patch. "Fixed" because it's still janky and just let's you fall down much slower than it should, it's great for ZSS because of it's mixup potential but if you time it wrong or place it wrong, u ded
What a legendary set. Can’t wait to see them fight again at the Birthday Bash!!!
Its funny to see how much the game has changed also.. the game was still kinda new at this time. So many more characters and metas now.
ZSS is BEAUTIFUL to watch played at this level.
*Ganon is top tier now*
Its confirmed
I just went online and my last 10 matches were against Ganon...
nexus51210 no he isn’t. He’s the worst in brawl and he’s not viable in melee and smash 4. He’s probably more medium tier than high tier. Sure his damage output is really good but a character needs speed to be good. And ganons slow. And lets not forget that the only aerials people bother to use are his neutral aerial and and his downward aerial that spikes you even in the lowest of damage.
But look at how well he did in this video! If you bend your mind hard enough, you'll notice two ALMOST victories. Hands down best character.
@@swisscheese4823 you definitely missed the fact it was a joke huh..
I loved Nairo's ganon so damn much, but he should've started with Palu.. ;--;
If only to power up the Ganon when he came in for the revenge
Its the MU, not so good for ganon but its good to use ganon to see where he has trouble with characters
Starting with ganon had no impact on the turnement outcome. He won the first set and that was the only set he played ganon, the second set was palu only, which he lost, so picking ganon was not relevant for the ending
Klausi Going to have to disagree with you. Information on match-ups and how a particular individual reacts and plays against another is crucial. Either one could have been able to obtain more information on habits and adaptations. Since Nairo didn’t stick with the same character, he could have missed out on some valuable info, this does of course go both ways. Choice does impact the course of the match, even if there was a bracket reset.
@@AerialAries i don't disagree with the assumption that you can adapt more by playing against a certain character but that would just furthermore increase the positive side effects that nairo gained by playing ganon. He had 2 games in which he found out a lot about ZSS while Marss only adapted to the ganon playstyle. After nairo went palu he was totally warmed up, thats pretty obvious because he reverse 3-0ed with palu right after the ganon matches. I personally think its clear that going ganon was not in any way negativ for nairo, maybe beneficial but i would not try to overthink this. Not playing ganon or playing him did not alter the outcome of those 2 sets is what i wanted to say. But its cool that you state your opinion!
Nairo of Christmas Past vs Nairo of Christmas Present
The Ganon is solid... but not against ZSS.
I really want nairo to win a tournament soon
with ganon
I just want him to win
Amazinc hey, at least he’s doing better than Zero.
@@johnkramer2144 ZeRo retired.
Real Pika From Smash 4? Yes. If you’re Johning cause he’s rusty, that’s bs because he’s done nothing but grind on Ultimate since Day 1.
I wish nairo went ZSS as well. Former best ZSS main versus current best
Elijah Haynes Juice begs to differ
Savage Socialist I don’t remember Juice beating Leo.
Lol juice's zss couldn't polish Marss's ZSS rocket heels
Ikr, but maybe he knew marss would have beat his ass if he went Zss. Though I'm smash 4, nairo always won the zss mirror match up.
@@debsenjoyer2149 juice is not better then marss dude, sorry but no lol.
I really wanted Marss to win after seeing him getting heckled
shuda never been there
6:30 I forgot that version of that dair used to exist lol
This commentary duo is great! Especially love Keitaro's!
nairo is one of my favourite players but my main just won a tournament
WHO DO I CHOOSE AAAAAA
4:14 a nice meteor smash from ZSS!
This Samus is soo good but they keep talking about Ganondorf ..
Biased commentators are bad
Truth!
ZSS is a boring, predictable character.
Someone seeing success with Ganon is rare.
@@SackyBalls444 ganon is lame people onltly think he is hype because he is rare.
Nairo had a sick comeback against Light and a bracket reset here in grand finals. But Marss is a top player obviously.
Why does Marss look like that kid from Hereditary?
This the 2024 comment you was looking for lol
ZSS WINS A MAJOR!!! 💙💙💙
Nicely done marrs.
What happened at around 6:30? It looks like Marss stalled in the air with down-air.
it’s a really precise tech with zss that cancels the momentum dair has but i think it’s patched
@31:42
@17:07 Hate that SD. These aren't exact numbers but if you you hold down and rotate the stick about 10° it won't read the horizontal input. This can prevent you from flip jumping in the correct direction since it only reads down or the opposite input if your control stick was there previously
Conversely at a 45° rotation (perfect diagonal) it will usually read the down input first but there are certain conditions that cause it to read horizontal input first. This happens consistently on land. Hold 45 and spam B. If you're not already crawling forward you'll side B. if you wait until you start crawling you'll down b. completely different outcomes even without moving the stick.
in the air I'm not sure what determines what comes out but i die at least once a match that way. maybe it's tumble fall?
Edit:
@31:42 here as well. Two issues. At 0.25 playback speed you see his second jump come out as he lands. Regarding the side b he clearly intended to flip jump because Nairo was so high (no way plasma was intentional imo). Classic ZSS SD bullshit i deal with as well
I love how Ganondorf is lurking behind Palutena in the thumbnail
ugh it feels good to see marss win with zss. especially against nairo
So I've played ZSS before and I know her dair slows down when using it immediately after getting hit, but I've never seen it completely stop in midair before (6:29). I don't know if there's a good explanation for that or what, but no one else seems to be talking about it.
i thought i was going crazy, i have no clue
@@micah3991 yeah. I haven't seen anything like that happen with any other characters besides ZSS
@@LtCdrXander i guess it was just some glitch with those types of dairs. I think it would happen when dairing out of hitstun at a weird timing maybe? idk
It has gotten patched which is probably why you haven’t seen it
Keitaro being a commentator made this match way more hype
@6:29 why is ZSS frozen there?
Crim word
yeah i was about to say is anybody gonna talk about that lmao
They're both so fcking good omg
Nairo
This didn’t age well
@@avasqz what?
Let's go Marss!
Nairo playing, keitaro commentating, it’s like it never even happened
nairos good now i think
@@jp975 same
Serves you right Nairo, who told you to drop the master waifu??
the finals after the legendary 3 game ganon comeback
Pain
3:05 the quickiest kill ive seen off stage that wasnt a spike
Soooo ZSS is bad right guys? Sure sure
most people have her top 15-20 not sure how thats bad this game is really balanced too
@@jneumann341 Most people put her high mid tier or low high tier
I'm just poking fun at the people who say that since she was nerfed she's bad.
@@jneumann341 this game is more balanced then sfv haha
@@Lightning-gg5iu most tier lists I see she's low end of high tier
Why is Nairo so g’damn entertaining to watch tho, I’m fanboy af
0:00 What is he doing with the control????
17:04 -- Marss killed by smash ultimate's closer camera zoom
These commentators acting them Palu's nair combos are crazy or something. Theyre aren't that impressive.
They less the amount of time that nair lasts for so you can chain them but at less damage. One of those combos does like 60%
Nairo vs His Ex
That first Palu Zero Suit match up was tough
Life truly is suffering
Everytime i see Nairo, my brain starts to produce images of ships about Ganon & Palutena.
wtf's wrong with me
Nairo starting to rethink his statement about zss
I wonder if Nairo knows that Palutena’s f-smash and d-smash have windboxes right outside the hitbox
That was insane to watch, Marss is DOPE!
I love seeing good zss play. Good job marrs
Commentators were a little bias. I mean, I know it's Nairos stream and all, but at least try to hide it. Nairo does three Nairs and they pop off. Whilst Marss is pulling off some crazy shit with a character hardly anyone plays :(
NAIRo with those NAIRs, lol.
Wait a minute... don't tell me that's actually where he got his name from...
never though id see ganon in a grand final lmao
Great set!
Marss still pretty good at chasing, especially teleports
What if you
Wanted to win a tournament
But Nairo's Ganon said
"DORIYAH"
Then you'd still win the tournament, as seen by Marss's Zss bodying Nairo's Ganon.
9:32 "no airdodge from marss"
marss literally airdodged
Tbh I think Nairo should just stick to maining Lucina for a solidified top tier character.
I think so too. If I'm lucky, it will create a chain effect where more people start maining lucina based on nairo's results with her, guaranteeing a nerf.
What the heck happened with Marss’s dair at 6:29
Yea lets make a heavy character get even better recovery AND make it fast and hard to ledge camp against
When nairo plays palu more than ganon, but his ganon is scarier... sad I didn’t see any lucina plays but ggs
His Lucina got wreck by Marss ZSS earlier
Nairo is a beast.
Hopefully On April Nairo is ZSS gets a little buff so Nairo can be more comfortable.....With Zss Since he go clapped twice by his own main. Imagine if Shoyo James beats Zero with DDK.
What happened to ZSS at 6:29?
Marss looking excessively comfy here.
Potential rival for Nairo?
SPONSOR THIS MAN
Marss really popped off on that last game
The Darkest Timeline
6:30 is that a thing u can do ? what ?
Yeah do you know what happened there? I replayed that part like 5 times. Not sure what happened
@@clay2889 i think i saw some ppl saying that was intentional and was a thing u could do w zss before it was patched
@@LeafysHere oh I figured it out btw. If you get knocked up, you can jump D-air which will sometimes make you float around at the top of the stage. If you play back 6:30 you will see he got knocked up, jumped, then performed it. I think you can still do it, but it got patched as in it won't give you any competitive edge, it's all just for show now.
@@clay2889 ohhh gotcha thanks for the explanation
Yeah it happens, if you take knockback but you are out of hitstun, the dair will go downward and the knockback will push you upward causing you to stall like that.
Just a friendly reminder that a low tier character getting far doesnt mean said character is now top tier. They just are being played by good players. Remember that Duck Hunt made it to top 8 Evo.
That being said...Nairo played his ass off. Good watch
damn.... watching this now hurts.
what about now
6:29 wtf is that? I’ve never seen that. How does that even happen?
GGs! But Nairo's Palu play got stale fast. He wasn't mixing it up enough. But man his Ganon is awesome.
I think it's cause he doesn't practice palu so much anymore. I really hope he finds someone else he can put as much time into as ganon lol
It's also because Palu is a very, very linear character.
ForgetTheEnd that’s a common misconception, people don’t realize her kit beyond nair
His Ganon got wrecked. He should have started the game as Palu, he might have had a chance. Ganon here was just combo food.
6:29 can someone explain ZSS
I don’t play ZSS but that her down air. I think if you hold back it kinda stalls in the air, as you can see. It doesn’t have much use but it does seem pretty cool
I know I'm late to the party but if you dair right out of hitstun it stalls in the air like that
Is the other guy always in pijamas?
Almost always
All these peeps here in the comments rooting for nairo but im so happy for u marss!!!
Really good set.
NAIRo lmao
31:42 ZSS barely slid off the stage so instead of a grounded jump he used his double jump. game mechanics wack yo
Anyone that says Zero Suit is bad is just wrong
Nairo is the originator of high tier ZSS