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Another reason Ovid's anti authority writing leaned very negative about the gods was the fact that imperial rome tended to blur the lines between Emperor and deity. "I am like a god!" "Yeah, just like these gods."
Hera CAN'T take her anger out on Zeus. The one time she openly turned on him, Zeus nearly got her legitimately killed before letting her go after warning her to NEVER betray hm again. Zeus manages to get away with many of his actions because he's genuinely powerful, and he's the King of the Olympians for a reason
Yup. Also goddess of marriage, and obeying your husband is a pretty big part of traditional old timey marriage. So like, there not being many myths of her directly acting against him also lines up with there not being myths where she cheats on him.
I mean, she’s the goddess of marriage that’s why she’s against the cheating, but she can’t do anything to him because he’s Zeus cause if I remember right, there are myths of her punishing cheaters
@@Mangalore620 She once helped Poseidon in an attempt to overthrow Zeus. When the God of the Sky was able to free himself, he took away Poseidon's godly powers and forced him to live as a mortal for a while. Meanwhile Zeus tied up Hera and dangled her above Chaos, the primordial god of the void, and a being that can fully eradicate a god just by touching it. If Hephaestus hadn't managed to talk Zeus into freeing her, Zeus would have left Hera to rot. When he did free her, Zeus made it VERY clear that if Hera tried ANYTHING against him ever again, there would be no second chances
If there's anything that Zeus takes seriously, it's that he takes measures to stay in power, and will see to it that he remains the top god of the Greek pantheon
Yeah, he did *not* mess around with that. This is why literally *no one,* not even Hera or Hades, could do anything when he screwed with them or their wife in hades case. Yes, Zeus actually did that and Hades hates him for it.
"Hera punishing Zeus's lovers/victims for Zeus's infidelity is of course a victim-blaming dick move, but Hera is more than a garden-variety woman scorned. She is the goddess of marriage and family, of course she punishes people who break their vows, no matter the context.
And why doesn't she punish Zeus? Well, in lore it's because Zeus is more powerful than her, but the practical reason is because Zeus is not a person, Zeus is a story and a god. Hera's vengeance on infidelity was a social pressure on the people of ancient Greece: stay faithful to your spouse and respect the bonds of marriage or Hera will strike you down for defying her domain.
When we retell myths, it's easy to focus on the gods as characters, because they are. But it's easy to forget that they were also more than that.
We can get hung up on the canon of the mythology not holding together, but that means we're approaching the mythology with the wrong set of expectations. We read a novel or watch a movie expecting the story to hold together because that's the point of those stories. But the point of the mythology was not to tell a set of stories that was internally consistent, it was to establish who the gods were and what they meant to the people of ancient Greece. So, we can judge Zeus and Hera's wacky, red flag bonanza all we want (and we should, because it's hilarious), but we shouldn't forget that those stories existed for a reason."
~Red, OSP
"But I thought that was the most common version"
It is, but most common does not mean oldest.
Naritas: If I had a dragma every time I was turned into a shrimp I would have two dragmas....
... Which isn't a lot. But it's weird it happened twice.
The female version of Nerites are the Nereides, his sisters, of which he has 50
_DAMN._ Nereus may not have had legs, but apparently that didn't slow him down in the slightest...
Zeus probably: "Ha rookie numbers"
@@jacthing1 yeah, but 51 children with THE SAME WOMAN!?
Zeus could never
In Io's family tree we also see that one of her descendants (not ancestors) was none other than Perseus from whom several royal houses descended.
As Red said, in stories like Io Ovid's anti-authoritarian biases work fine, but in others it really doesn't jibe with the broader characterization of the gods, and his representation of Athena and Medusa is a prime example of that. There are multiple Greek stories of women being assaulted by men in the temples of various goddesses, and in all of them the goddesses attack the assailants to avenge the victims. Probably the most famous example involving Athena is during the Fall of Troy. Cassandra took refuge in Athena's temple to escape the sack of the city, but Ajax the Lesser entered the temple and assaulted her. Athena was so furious that she caused all of Ajax's boats to be shipwrecked and made sure he was killed in the wreck. That's why it makes no sense that she would punish Medusa as a victim. On that same note, while Poseidon was perfectly likely to assault a woman it is not believable that he would do so in Athena's temple since that would basically be an act of desecration commited by one Olympian against another. The Greek gods could get into rivalries and competitions with each other, but they wouldn't desecrate each other's temples.
So, Hercules can go "Hi, dad, grandad and great granddad." when he meets Zeus?
So, quick info about Ovid. He was about 50 when he was exiled, and Ovid himself says it was because of "a poem and a mistake" but is reluctant to disclose specifics. The poem he's referring to is probably Ars Amatoria, an instructional elegy series in three volumes which, respectively, teach a man how to find a woman, then how to keep her, and finally gives women advice on how to win and keep the love of a man. Advice given for men includes "not forgetting her birthday", "not asking her age", "letting her miss you, but not for long", while advice for women includes "making up in private", "being wary of false lovers" and "trying older and younger lovers". The book also overall has tones that criticize the more traditional roles of men being forceful and, ahem, "taking" women, and instead advocates a more mutually reciprocal and romantic approach. Some have speculated that this book was scandalous for the day, overly focused on flirtation and sexual positions, and that that was why Ovid was banished. Similarly, Ovid had criticized the Julian Marriage Laws in his writings, which could have contributed. Others, however, say that's incredibly unlikely as the book had been out for years before his banishment, and the marriage laws had been made almost twenty years prior as well, and that he was probably just caught up in factional politics related to the emperor's successor. Around the same time as his banishment, Augustus banished his adopted son Agrippa Postumus and his granddaughter as well. Instead, Agrippa's rival Tiberius took over, and since he didn't invite Ovid back from his exile, its very likely that the banishment was more because of some beef between those two. Blaming the poem was probably just a convenient excuse to disguise court politics.
As for what the marriage laws were, Augustus had passed a series of "morality laws" which included requiring all citizens to marry, restricting marriages across class lines, punishing adultery with banishment for both parties (or worse, letting fathers/husbands just execute their daughter/wife if caught), among other more subtle changes to promote marriage with some tax breaks and whatever.
tl;dr Augustus had a massive stick up his ass about promiscuity and the sanctity of marriage, and also about not letting being get together if they weren't the same social class. He banished his own daughter and granddaughter when they were each caught in secret relationships, for example. But, Ovid's criticisms of the law and his "how to flirt" book were probably both just convenient excuses to get him out of the way as Tiberius rose to become the next heir.
Well, you know what they say...
Can't have a slippery slope without some _Greece._
Other mythologies might be more bloody, but Aztecs were very notorious for it
Yeah, that was Fire Emblem. Awakening to be precise. And glory unto Lord Donnel!
:) I Love And Hate The Fire Emblem Games
Ah, Donnel, my favorite kind of unit, the completely unnecessary win-more type of unit.
Answering your question about Hades and previous relationships: before Persephone he fell in love with Leuke, a daughter of Oceanus, and the same way Zeus and Poseidon did with Leuke's sister and niece respectively (Metis and Amphitrite), Hades wanted her to be his queen. Sadly, the sea nymph wasn't made for the Underworld and started dying, so to preserve some of her essence Hades turned her into a white poplar. Some versions mixed her with Minthe and points at Persephone transforming her into a tree due to jealousy, but generally Persephone isn't in the picture when Leuke's romance happens
When I was in 6th grade and we were studying Greek myths, we had a project to write short stage play adaptations of the myths we'd read about. We ended up actually staging a few, not including mine, unfortunately. Mine was "Heifer Girl" and it was the myth of Io, and all of Io's lines were "moo" said with different emotional inflections. This was hilarious to me at age 11.
Btw, the Oedipus staging we did was of his backstory in chronological order, and he Found Out before he had any kids with Jocasta, so instead he just fell to the ground in despair, wishing he had taken his teddy bear on his journey with him like his (adoptive) mom had suggested.
It’s a wonder that Zeus hasn’t conceived a copy of himself, that’s how involved he’s been.
Yeah, you need to get into some of Blue's stuff. By the time you get through all of Red's stuff, Blue will have already moved on to recounting the events of the Horus Heresy 10,000 years after the fact.
Even just the miscellaneous myths playlist he's been doing so far is only half way done, at this rate with the 40 episodes left with 10 of those episodes being long enough for their own videos we have 20 more videos to go before the playlist is finished, and with the 1 a week schedule we'll be done with the playlist in *exactly 5 months* (and that's being generous, 2 other episodes look like they could be long enough for their own videos)
He must learn the way of DOMES.
Cardinal directions remind you of Magic The Gathering?
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I summon Ancestral Ruins in order to draw three additional cards from my deck!
Well that explains why Herc was so powerful compared to his other demigod siblings.
29:39 as stated in Hermes video, in the older version Hermes killed Argos mono on mono rather than getting him to sleep through trickery.
@32:29 Ancestors are the people who come before, descendants are the ones who come after.
There was a part that Red Skipped over when Quetzalcoatl goes to the Underworld.
The Lord of the Underworld is a bit of an old Miser who refuses to just hand over the bones but he's challenging Quetzalcoatl who is one of the primordial creation deities and a very big deal! So Mictlantecuhtli tries being sneaky and says "I'll let you have the bones if first you can play a song on this conch!" but he hands Quetz a conch with no holes thinking this to be an impossible task, however Quetz is clever and fills the conch with BEES! The Bees start buzzing and making music so Mictlantecuhtli concedes but strikes a deal with Quetzalcoatl that eventually he'll get his bones back so together him and Quetzalcoatl decide a human lifespan and then Quetzalcoatl leaves to go create humans. Then as Quetzalcoatl is leaving Mictlantecuhtli gets grumpy again that he was beat so he hires some minions to go ahead of Quetzalcoatl and dig a pit trap and then that's how the bones break.
I have also heard a different version of the Second Sun story. Instead of Quetzalcoatl being disappointed that all his humans got turned into Monkeys, Tezcatlipoca grabbed Quetzalcoatl by the tail and started hurling Quetz (The Wind God) around to create a hurricane which devastated the planet but the surviving rude humans clung to the trees and became Monkeys
she didn't skip the trip to the underworld. Did he accidentally hit the wrong button again?
@@DDlambchop43 I just meant that Read didn't mention this in her summary
1:07 I think the nymph Minthe but she was turned into a mint plant by Persephone when she tried to continue her relationship with Hades (aka flirt with him). That or she was never in a relationship with Hades and Persephone turned her into a mint plant for her initial attempt at flirting with Hades.
You actually nailed it there, it WAS Fire Emblem Awakening for the "thousand year old loli" example. Hell, one could argue that Fire Emblem popularized the trope among RPGs all the way back in the first game on the NES.
I would like to remind people that central Mexico is in fact a volcanic region. The aztecs lived besides 2 volcanoes: the ever active Popocatépetl (seriously any month it doesn't cough ash is a good month for the surrounding states) and the sleeping Iztaccíhuatl (though it's the usual cause for earthquakes in the region so and yes it's really destructive when erupts). From what I remember they are some of the oldest volcanoes of the continent, 1 or 2 million years or so.
31:54 Huh, so after some back of the napkin math I have calculated that Heracles is about 56.25% Zeus.
Probably a little more, after 3.125% I went to 1.5% and 0.75% rather than 1.5625% and whatever half of that would have happened to be.
Also, I first counted the percentage of Poseidon as well but by Perseus he was only around 1.5% (or well, 1.5625%, I guess) and then there are three more generations until you get to Heracles so I stopped counting. But I got curious while typing this up and decided to calculate that (thought starting from 1.5 rather than 1.5625) which ended up with Heracles being 0.1855% Poseidon as well as 56.25% Zeus.
That said this was done by considering everyone in the family tree who is not Zeus or Poseidon as just human/mortal which might as well not be the case and they might have been demigods or descendants of demigods.
I find it funny that the Flayed God is the god of the East, considering what came from the East.
Poseidon has a tendency to repay the people he sleeps with in the Greek mythology.
So, Airier, what was that about Aztec myth NOT being the bloodiest?
FUN FACT: they were notorious for waging wars to get slaves, and these slaves would be captured for finding sacrifices and laborers, like house slaves, Limestone miners (which is incredibly toxic for humans), and chattel slaves. Yes, the Sacrifices were the LUCKY ones. In fact, rank would be determined by how many captives you've taken, which also meant you can earned the right to drink alcohol and not work all the time.
As for the Io story...
_SWEET HOME, MT OLYMPUS!_
_WHERE THE SKIES ARE AZURE!_
_SWEET HOME, MT OLYMPUS!_
_ZEUS, I'M COMIN HOME TO YOU!_
10:44 😂😂😂 I thought you would’ve been more freaked out by the Lovecraft stuff, which I have yet to watch your video but I have seen Red’s.
Other than Persephone, Hades did have a concubine named Minthe. Persephone killed her in a jealous rage and her body turned into a mint plant. The words "mint" and "menthol" actually derive from her name.
So far as I'm aware, OSP has not done a video about her.
Fun fact Persephone’s story predates Hades as lord of the underworld, so there wouldn’t be anyone before her.
Well there's the mint dryad, which in the strabo says she was Hades previous girlfriend.
"Mint (Mintha), men say, was once a maid beneath the earth, a Nymphe of Kokytos (Cocytus), and she lay in the bed of Aidoneus [Hades]; but when he raped the maid Persephone from the Aitnaian hill [Mount Etna in Sicily], then she complained loudly with overweening words and raved foolishly for jealousy, and Demeter in anger trampled upon her with her feet and destroyed her. For she had said that she was nobler of form and more excellent in beauty than dark-eyed Persephone and she boasted that Aidoneus would return to her and banish the other from his halls"
Clearly you haven't watched all of Red's videos. One of them specifically tells the story of Minthe, Hades's only other love interest.
Incorrect
Here for your regular FGO-connections once again!
As FGOs 7th Lostbelt was based on Aztec mythology, they made quite a few references to the myth of the multiple suns... with their own takes, of course, but they still quite prominently feature Tezcatlipoca as the First Sun, someone who... at least claims to be Tlaloc, the rain god... and then Kukulkan as the "last sun" due to Lostbelt-shenanigans (long story short, this Lostbelt had an artificial sun and she was its personification).
Also, the reason Augustus exiled Ovid was because, presumably, Ovid had a thing with Augustus' daughter, not the other way around. It's mainly a theory because, iirc, they were both exiled around the same time... and to the same place, which feels like a "fine, you can do what you want, but at least do it somewhere I won't catch wind of it ffs!"... and of course Ovids criticism of Augustus' other political decisions.
5:30 I think it’s a piece of coral and he’s giving it like a bouquet of flowers.
Speaking of Io
Yukari Takebe's initial Persona is Io in Persona 3
There is a god of reciprocated love.
3:06 yup.
Those are some veritable vampire chompers there... Great reaction! I do love me some OSP.
Love from a TaleFoundry and Vaush fan!
A old tv show that teach me of a lot of mythical stuff was jim Henson storyteller i would say watch it but i haven't seen it in years it may not hold up
I think Zeus did it ENVEN with a tree once.
28:54 Not the first time that Zeus feels guilty for his actions. It happened with Dyonisus.
In fgo LB7 tescatilpolica half sun was depected as a black sun and it is an awesome visual in the final battle with the final phase being a NP duel where you have to beat tescatilpoca with np otherwise you will be paralised for the rest of the fight
Funny thing about Hades & Persephone is they both had a side fling
That dragon girl is Tiki from Fire Emblem
Hey airer if you like complicated lore than you should see videos about the elder scrolls lore of CHIM and the prisoner theory I just thought you might like it 👍🏾
So instead of Hearcles being an angry guy, prone to going off rhe handle , he is instead super inbred.
The curse(s) by Hera, are really just genetics biting his arse.
Zeus and his brother(s) appearing in the family tree several times each - is like distilling godhood - 300-500 proof.
Gezzz talk about genetic bottle necking. I'm still amazed hera never castrated zeus.
Byzantium = Constantinople. Or however you write it.
Day 5 of ascking for personifying death by overely sarcastick productions
Sorry for my gramar
Sorry to say you'll probably be typing this for a while since he seems determined to finish the miscellaneous myths playlist before he does anything else from osp, and we are only half way through the list with 40 more episodes to go with 10 of them being long enough for their own videos.
And since he does 3 episodes per video that means we have 20 more videos to go and since he does only 1 osp video per week that's *5 months from now* so day 145 at the earliest unless he decides to wander off from the playlist.
Nah, trope talks should be watched in chronological order.
A... i se whell i dident hnow there whas a playlist
i think instead of the 50 shades to twilight i think lancelot in arthurian legends is closer
Blue doesn't do history of myths, he just does history, sorry guy.
Oh, you're into MTG? Have you considered doing reactions to any LoadingReadyRun content? They've got a kickstarter going for another season of Friday Nights!
for clarity: supposedly, Ovid had an affair with Augustus' daughter, who got exiled for various reasons possibly including being promiscuous.
At least he felt bad?
Is it just me, or is the video skipping between 28:14 and 28:15?
If I'm not misremembering, the music in that section was claimed. I cut it to get rid of a block (don't know why it was claimed or if it was legit, but I didn't want to deal with it).
remember hera is the god of family ever damn baby murderer everytimes she can she will
she's almost as bad as athena about the hypocrisy
Day 26 of asking Airier for ENA reaction (force of habit to post this comments by now, I may just begin asking for something else if you ever react to ENA at this point)
Homeward Bound was Disney rebooting a failed movie franchise.