HEATED! Modalist Otis Lewis VS Sam Shamoun On Trinity in the Old Testament | New Debate Highlights

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  • @rjc9537
    @rjc9537 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    A person who does not recognize Jesus as God cannot be a Christian! 💪

    • @kevf500
      @kevf500 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Amen

    • @tongakhan230
      @tongakhan230 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Anyone who can believe that Jesus was God cannot be a Christian.
      Christians are DISCIPLES of Jesus. God cannot have disciples. Only worshipers.
      Here is a clear statement of belief for Christians.
      (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father,
      Who then is Jesus to Christians?
      (Matthew 23:10) Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ.
      He is their Leader and Lord. 1 Cor 8:6....and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ,

    • @tenshiman1490
      @tenshiman1490 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is the Father called Lord?​@@tongakhan230

    • @christopherpineda9216
      @christopherpineda9216 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@tongakhan230​​⁠what? Jesus Christ is Lord over all creation. Kings of Kings. The Lamb that worship. Jesus Is God in the second person of the Trinity. Did you watch the debate?😅

    • @rjc9537
      @rjc9537 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tongakhan230
      When Jesus judges you on that great day we will see who is right! 💪💪💪

  • @Shige2213
    @Shige2213 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Blew my mind when the said "God created because he couldn't find peace within himself"

  • @RebiwGiant-um8vp
    @RebiwGiant-um8vp หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    I can't believe Sam knows this much about us, Ethiopian Orthodox Christians.

    • @alisterrebelo9013
      @alisterrebelo9013 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      You are of the Apostolic Succession and faith with the Catholics and the other Orthodox.
      We must learn about each other if ever we can be united once again and Jesus exhorted us.
      Edit: And when those who are Protestant wolves come, remember to defend your Catholic and Orthodox brothers together, as I am showing my example, by the power of the Holy Spirit. Together we can defeat these tools of Satan, and bring them to the feet of Jesus for their judgement.

    • @Issacandjacob
      @Issacandjacob หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@alisterrebelo9013not all of you are in agreeing of that. Orthodox broke off from the connection to the spirit. Catholics acquired perverted traditions and then claimed those traditions are what gets us to Christ. Huhhhhh?!?! Jesus literally broke the Jewish law so many times to show the leaders tradition didn’t matter. Matthew 7:21-23 and Matthew 25:41 should make all of you come off your high horses

    • @whoisthispleasefathmah8963
      @whoisthispleasefathmah8963 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@Issacandjacob
      You shut up

    • @AHealthySnack
      @AHealthySnack หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@whoisthispleasefathmah8963 Solid argument there 😂

    • @rayjayx786
      @rayjayx786 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@whoisthispleasefathmah8963someones mad

  • @Growsomeskin
    @Growsomeskin หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Isaiah 48:16b ♡From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit, have sent Me.♡ ALL 3 IN 1 SENTENCE

    • @animekingz6305
      @animekingz6305 หลายเดือนก่อน

      this verse issss soooo mind blowing

    • @tongakhan230
      @tongakhan230 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Who was the SENT one in Isaiah 48:16?
      To be SENT by someone, the SENDER must have greater authority over the SENT one. Jesus' own words at John 13:16.

    • @Fivendime1972
      @Fivendime1972 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@tongakhan230
      Psalms 8:5 "Thou madest him a little lower than angels, with glory and honour thou hast crowned him"
      Hebrews 2:9 "But we see him who was made a little lower than angels [namely] Jesus, on account of suffering death crowned with glory and honour, that so he by the favour of God might taste death for every man."
      Philippians 2:5-8 "For let this temper of mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus, 6 who being in the form of God did not think it robbery to be like God, 7 but he emptied himself? having taken the form of a servant, being in the likeness of men, 8 and found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death, even the death of a cross;"

    • @tongakhan230
      @tongakhan230 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Fivendime1972 : That certainly is clear. Jesus had been an angel son of God.
      Made lower THAN angels.
      Only an angel can be made lower than an angel.

    • @geosen114
      @geosen114 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@tongakhan230The Son could not bear the sins of man since he is in union in essence with the Father.
      The Son had to take the form of human flesh. Flesh is lower than the angels. Angels are titles who are in the present of God. Jesus before flesh was the Angel of the Lord. The First-Born of God. My understanding why Jesus is called the first-born in my opinion is the fact the Word created light-life into the world we know today and will be the last via judgement day. Being the first-born doesn’t necessarily mean the first had a beginning. For everything was made for him and through him. By that logic the Word was not just God but also have the same essence with the Father.
      God is also a title. You can think God as a family name. For example Jon Godfrey and James Godfrey come from the House of Godfrey.
      The Father and the Son are of the same Essence within the Godhead.

  • @walterchristensen7667
    @walterchristensen7667 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Sam my brother in Christ! You continually blow me away with this in-depth reading and analysis of scripture. Life returns to me when I study this with you.

  • @Dany10735
    @Dany10735 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    BROTHER IS NOT GODLOGIC 🗣🔥⁉️😭😭

  • @rjc9537
    @rjc9537 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    “He forgot he was a Christian”
    POWERFUL! 💪

    • @120Pythons
      @120Pythons หลายเดือนก่อน

      He's not a Christian, he is a coward and waited until the end to admit he is a black Hebrew Israelite

  • @henryschmit3340
    @henryschmit3340 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    We see the triune God from the start in Genesis 1:26-27 "... And God said 'let Us make man in Our image, after Our likness..." We are made in the image of God, not angels.

    • @tongakhan230
      @tongakhan230 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Actually, that was God speaking to his Firstborn created angel son. The one THROUGH whom God worked in bringing about creation. See Hebrews 1:2.
      (Proverbs 8:30) Then I was beside him (ie. God) AS A MASTER WORKER. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;

    • @henryschmit3340
      @henryschmit3340 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tongakhan230 See Hebrews 1:8. "But to the Son He says "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever."
      And we are made in God's image, not the image of his angels.

    • @tongakhan230
      @tongakhan230 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@henryschmit3340 : The arrangement of Hebrews 1:8 has been wrongly put.
      No sentence can start with BUT unless a contradiction or alternative has already been stated just previous.
      Let us rearrange it to make sense.
      Hebrews 1:8. King James Version
      Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
      This is stating a fact. God's throne is FOREVER.
      Then the next verse should begin with.
      BUT unto the Son he saith,
      (Verse 9) THOU (you) hast LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS, and hated iniquity; therefore God, EVEN THY (your) GOD, hath anointed THEE (you) with the oil of gladness ABOVE thy fellows.
      Get the sense? God's throne is forever.
      BUT Jesus is appointed a King for a period of time just LIKE the other Kings God anointed.
      Try and explain Heb 1:9 using the theory that Jesus is God.
      Anyone who just uses a badly translated verse to make Jesus into God would have to ignore all the clear scriptures that show that Jesus was never God.
      What will this achieve?

    • @ce6236
      @ce6236 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@tongakhan230Jehovah witness spotted!

    • @ce6236
      @ce6236 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@tongakhan230where does it say angel? And how does God use LET US to his creation?

  • @jennifercapps3232
    @jennifercapps3232 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amen teacher!

  • @whoisthispleasefathmah8963
    @whoisthispleasefathmah8963 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you

  • @theatre721
    @theatre721 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The problem with modalism is that it only works when you pit scripture against scripture, rather than taking in the whole picture

    • @Weebgamer236
      @Weebgamer236 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      And it makes God a literal schizophrenic

    • @marktravis5162
      @marktravis5162 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I find the opposite to be true

    • @theatre721
      @theatre721 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@marktravis5162 canon 1 of the first council of Constantinople in 381 AD and the subsequent study of scripture for the next 1,643 years is at odds with your findings

    • @ChristOverAllJeremy
      @ChristOverAllJeremy  หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Mark Travis, just like Satan.

    • @dualtags4486
      @dualtags4486 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not only that but Otis spent most the debate trying to use Enoch and jubilees. Bro was clinging onto books not part of the cannon. But ofc Otis being his own authority he deemed them as scripture

  • @sonusancti
    @sonusancti หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sam is the man. The Holy Spirit is with Sam May God's truth shine on all!

  • @ericbadu3726
    @ericbadu3726 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dude is on some kind of rocks, he jumps around everywhere when Sam pins him on his statements.

  • @StNicolausVI
    @StNicolausVI หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow I learned something from Sam’s opponent! When God said “Let us make man in our image”, God was asking Satan to participate but he refused. So then while Triune God said that and made Creation, Satan and his band of evil angels were somewhere “over there”, just chillin’. 👍🏻 Thanks Big O!

  • @Angel-Max7728
    @Angel-Max7728 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    🙏🔥✝️🕊🙏

  • @rstuff886
    @rstuff886 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I feel vicarious embarassment.

  • @bellairsviewcomplex173
    @bellairsviewcomplex173 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You can ask God that 😂😂😂 wow.

    • @theatre721
      @theatre721 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah at that moment, he delegitimized his entire argument and doctrine all at once

  • @HollywoodBigBoss
    @HollywoodBigBoss หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sam cooked him,

  • @ITMeCE
    @ITMeCE หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I dont know how people could come to the conclusion that Jesus was the father, when he differentiated himself by calling himself "the son" why not just call himself the father? 😂

    • @manueljr.tanada8283
      @manueljr.tanada8283 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      You need to read the bible or more video of sam

    • @goontubefilmz
      @goontubefilmz หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Read the Bible. The crazies thing is when ppl make assumptions without actually reading the Bible is beyond me😂😂😂😂😂. Why don’t ppl take the time to ACTUALLY READ THE BIBLE and UNDERSTAND CONTEXT to understand what’s going on.

    • @Ordinal_Yoda
      @Ordinal_Yoda หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Isaiah 9:6 explains that the connective essence between the Father and the Son is "The Name".
      "And his Name will be called".
      Mighty God: This is the Name for the Mighty God
      Prince of Peace: This is the Name of the Prince of Peace.
      Therefore there is Jesus the Father and Jesus the Son. And they are two distinctly different persons. And Jesus the Holy Spirit.
      So it's the Name (Singular) of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

    • @goontubefilmz
      @goontubefilmz หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Ordinal_Yoda 🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯💯💯💯💯❤️❤️❤️❤️

    • @josephbrooks3980
      @josephbrooks3980 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      The name isn't "Jesus", the name is Yahweh... Jesus is literally Yeshua or Yeshoshua which means Yahweh's salvation. Guys, the name is not the actual important part, it's what comes with the name. The essence of the name, the authority and power of the one true God. The king of all creation. Jesus cannot be the Father, as in the same person, but is the same in being only. The Father talks of the Son and the Spirit as distinct from Himself and yet are one. The conceptualization for the Trinity comes from Scripture.

  • @EmmanuelAgyei-cx8mf
    @EmmanuelAgyei-cx8mf หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Otis is a joke
    “They are just chilling” like seriously? Like is that a proper answer?

  • @jennifercapps3232
    @jennifercapps3232 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can I become one of you classroom students? I’ve been here for a month and I’m blown away by Sam my teacher!

  • @DMMDestroyer
    @DMMDestroyer หลายเดือนก่อน

    Saw this live and all of us couldn't believe how wrong the other guy was, and how he kept citing books that aren't even in the Bible.

  • @renatofabian9907
    @renatofabian9907 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I LIKE this kind of SAM, Answering the question calmly without cursing him much. I HOPE TO SEE MORE of SAM like this.

    • @JesusIsMyAgape
      @JesusIsMyAgape หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He is like this to everyone who is willing to have conversation, and not bark. He only curses others if they break rules that are told in every stream of his or if they aren't honest
      Jesus cursed, Jesus had very sharp language, that He used against Wicked Spirits and pharisees
      Paul cursed and God actually cursed a man with blindness like Paul said
      James, the same James that told you that from mouth can come stream of sweet or salt water but not both, the same James calls people in 4, 4 like this:
      You adulterous people,[a] don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.

    • @renatofabian9907
      @renatofabian9907 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JesusIsMyAgape 1st Not everybody knows the rules instantly unless you've been following him for a long time.. 2nd i've seen people just asking geniune questions but blocks them suspecting them playing games with him if they dont answer Sam 's question. Which is a leading question. He wants them to answer that would agree him all the time..
      We got to remember the reason why you ask question is you do not know. If my question doesn't agree with Sam that is when he should clarify it with scriptures. Instead of calling them names. In which in this debate was followed . You attack the wrong conceptions/teachings not the person.
      Regardless i LOVE what Sam is Doing. He is NOW my new FAVORITE preacher. HE IS a WORIOR OF GOD.
      I JUST PRAY🙏 HE would change to be a better SAM.

  • @stopclockapp
    @stopclockapp หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Trinity is easy to understand when you consider that a single man can be a Father(to his children), a Son(to his father), and a Brother(to his siblings)all at the same time. The man's role(Father, Son, Brother)depends on who the man is interacting with.

    • @Berean_with_a_BTh
      @Berean_with_a_BTh หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Except that's a really poor analogy for the Trinity. Modalists could just as easily use it to support their view. In Trinitarian theology, the Father, Son, and Spirit, share one essence yet are distinct from each other. A human father is not distinct from who he is as a son and doesn't share his brother's essence.

    • @stopclockapp
      @stopclockapp หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Berean_with_a_BTh How is a poor analogy when one person can be known by 3 names?

    • @Berean_with_a_BTh
      @Berean_with_a_BTh หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@stopclockapp Already explained.

  • @olaf9093
    @olaf9093 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Modalism theology is not from god, teaching Jesus is a created being is not from god, teaching the holy spirit is created being is not from god, Teaching God has 3 different modes is not from god.
    Otis knows Sam had him, his learning but he can't let go of his pride and arrogance, because it would tell that everything he believes and taught are false heresy from the pits of hell. To lie rather than admit his wrong is a desperate move, Otis should repent before it's too late, God would not allow any man to trample his Holy words.

  • @shahidmiah917
    @shahidmiah917 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    “For there are 3 that bear record in heaven. The father, the word and the Holy Ghost”. The only verse in the entire Bible referring to the Trinity 1 John 5:7 has been thrown out of the Bible by a committee of 32 Christian scholars. It’s not there in the RSV Bible. They found it to be a fraudulent addition somewhat 100 years after Jesus. The is only one God in Judaism and Islam.

    • @tongakhan230
      @tongakhan230 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That verse was deviously added to help with the Trinity theory. It still doesn't make sense. Because 1 John 5:8 talks about 3 separate things.

  • @ombandajeanpaul7117
    @ombandajeanpaul7117 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This guy is clueless!
    In Deuteronomy 33:16, Moses prays to the Angel to bless the descendants of Joseph.

  • @Gcock
    @Gcock หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Are these gnostic scriptures that this poor man is arguing? What? This heresy was defeated 1800 years ago by the greatest scholars. Huh? 2 Peter 1:19-21 warned him against this very clear heresy - your interpretation means nothing. In fact, 2 Peter 2:19-21 states that it would be better that this man never hear the words of righteousness than to lean on his false gospel and personal interpretations. I feel sorry for him.
    As a grave sinner myself; i pray the Triune God; One God...have mercy on us.

  • @JosephBates-dl2vl
    @JosephBates-dl2vl 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Otis is embarrassing himself

  • @Truth5468
    @Truth5468 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sam is a false teacher and a very arrogant person that is making his father Satan very happy!!

    • @Christismessiah-n3l
      @Christismessiah-n3l 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nah bro

    • @Truth5468
      @Truth5468 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Christismessiah-n3l 🤣🤣

  • @Noparole75
    @Noparole75 หลายเดือนก่อน

    CP would cook all of these guys man

  • @JESUS_KING_LORD_
    @JESUS_KING_LORD_ หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Baaaaaam 🤪

  • @tongakhan230
    @tongakhan230 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Strange that no one knew about the Trinity until the apostate church came up with it long after Jesus and the Bible.
    Such an important aspect of God was never mentioned or believed?
    It now takes a person to twist and mangle a scripture to make some semblance of at least making an angel of God into God?
    2 Timothy 4:3,4 no doubt.

    • @ChristOverAllJeremy
      @ChristOverAllJeremy  หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Strange how you just lied.

    • @sydlis6462
      @sydlis6462 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What year did this supposed apostate church appear? And what year did the bible get formally canonized? Let's see if you at least get this correct.

    • @tongakhan230
      @tongakhan230 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sydlis6462 : The apostasy began while the apostles were still alive.
      The Apostles acted as a restraint to stop Satan taking full control of the Christian Congregation.
      2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now you know what is acting as a restraint, so that he will be revealed in his own due time. 7 True, the mystery of this lawlessness IS ALREADY AT WORK, but only until the one who is right now acting AS A RESTRAINT IS OUT OF THE WAY.
      Once the apostles died, there was no organized body of True Christians.
      Twisted teachings would surface among the so called Christians. The Trinity being one. See Acts 20:30.
      Popes and Cardinals and other fancy garbed Priests came in. Jesus had outlawed the appointment of priests among his disciples. Matthew 23:8-10.
      The Bible, however much the RCC tried to destroy it, eventually survived. God would see to this.
      Isaiah 40: 8 The green grass dries up,
      The blossom withers, But the word of our God endures forever.”

    • @tongakhan230
      @tongakhan230 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sydlis6462 : Satan was making inroads into the Christian Congregation while the Apostles WERE STILL ALIVE. It is they who acted as a restraint from Satan taking full control.
      2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless THE APOSTASY COMES FIRST...
      7 True, the mystery of this lawlessness IS ALREADY AT WORK, but only until the one who is right NOW ACTING AS A RESTRAINT IS OUT OF THE WAY.
      9 But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan
      Obviously, once the apostles were out of the way, Satan took over and twisted teachings surfaced with a 'Christian' label.
      The trinity being one. Read Acts 20:30.

  • @bobveklotz7914
    @bobveklotz7914 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    True Biblical Christianity unlike every other religion is a relationship and is predicated on what God did for us not what good deeds we have to do to be saved. All anyone needs to do to be saved is to repent of their sins and believe on Jesus’ atoning sacrifice for our sins on the cross. Romans 10:9-10
    9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
    Since the Bible teaches that it’s impossible for God to lie, why not take this promise from the King of the universe to the bank.

  • @drumpogrom
    @drumpogrom หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Tobit?
    Lol

    • @icycrusader1947
      @icycrusader1947 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is it wrong to use Tobit?

    • @DMMDestroyer
      @DMMDestroyer หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@icycrusader1947Yes

  • @JKV84
    @JKV84 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yeah that’s an angel - desperate 😂

  • @Noparole75
    @Noparole75 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think sam is a homosexual, because he supported Kamala

  • @chipchelios
    @chipchelios หลายเดือนก่อน

    What a clown 😂

  • @kritik9231
    @kritik9231 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Otis is not a modalist. What part of him telling Sam that, you didn't get?

    • @ChristOverAllJeremy
      @ChristOverAllJeremy  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hey Otis.

    • @kritik9231
      @kritik9231 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ChristOverAllJeremy How’s it going? Stop with the modalist stuff. The Father doesn't operate in modes. I don't believe God is one mode then He’s another mode. That's plain silliness 😋

    • @ChristOverAllJeremy
      @ChristOverAllJeremy  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ah, so you are Otis. Imma screenshot this. Why you gotta pretend you’re not Otis? You got wrecked in the debate and now you’re trying to deceive us into thinking you’re an Otis fan? You know you’re of the devil when you play these trickery.

    • @kritik9231
      @kritik9231 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ChristOverAllJeremy lol. I'm not pretending to be someone else. I've had this username for years. It's just your first time seeing it. could you also screenshot the part where I said I'm not a modalist?🤷🏾‍♂️

    • @ChristOverAllJeremy
      @ChristOverAllJeremy  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That’s why I know you are Otis. Since you’re Otis, why do you speak of Otis in the third person? Are you speaking like your oneness deity?

  • @newbreed9454
    @newbreed9454 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If Trinity was true,Mary would've given birth to Triplets 😊🏋️🏃🏃🏃

    • @Christismessiah-n3l
      @Christismessiah-n3l 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nah buddy
      Wdym triplets💀
      You sound like a person asking a oneness Pentecostal that

    • @Christismessiah-n3l
      @Christismessiah-n3l 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Can you show me how you’re fake god exists so me and the triune God can bury you and your fake god

  • @marktravis5162
    @marktravis5162 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sam shamoun always lying and changing the meaning of the word of God to fit his belief

    • @amc3463
      @amc3463 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      No you are

    • @sydlis6462
      @sydlis6462 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What did he change?