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What kills me is that this man, who didn’t go to college, didn’t go to seminary or any higher education has such a broad and comprehensive knowledge of God, Jesus and the Bible. We’re lucky to have him….
I understand that and respect that. It’s called obsession. Not in a bad way tho
@@alexanderhansen3232no, it’s called passion. You wouldn’t know about it.
@@VainFriggus No no, it is passion and obsession and I understand because I am also so into it. I have read everything from Thomas Aquinas and all the documents about the early churches. I can’t stop reading about it and I am obsessed with learning about the Lord. Obsession may sound bad but I can’t think of another word that quite describe what I’m feeling. Yes it means he’s passionate too. Please don’t misunderstand. God bless brother ♥️
Satan deceived him into the reformed theology for 30 years before he became Catholic.
@@alexanderhansen3232God bless you brother, keep making Him proud
as a Greek Orthodox Christian i must say that you are to the point...God bless you and keep up the great work you are doing
Sam teach this man to know the TRUTH that the TRUTH shall MAKE him FREE.
The truth is that Jesus pbuh never claimed divinity. He was a mere human being who was raised to the rank of Prophet. He was given the Gospel and commanded to preach it to the Jewish people. They rejected him because he did not fulfill their criteria of being the Prophet they were waiting for.
Muslims accept him as a Prophet and Messenger of God Almighty and greatly respect and honour his mother, Mary.
@@munamas6505 give it up bro..
Jewish community to jesus a mere "prophet": who are you?
John 8:58 "I AM"
EXODUS 3:14 "I AM"
Which church are true according to the Bible in this world? Because many churches are not true according to this scriptures, Matthew 7:21-23,Roman's 10;1-3,2Corintians 11:12-15,2thimoty 4:3-4,2Peter 2:1-3,1John 4:1..
@@munamas6505 Jesus NEVER CLAIMED DIVNITY??!?!?!?!?!?!
just how ignorant can one get towards Christianity. I'll give you undeniable proof Jesus claimed to be God.
cf means compare/see reference
lets start with: John 8:56-59 (cf. Exodus 3:14)
John 8:56-59
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” 59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.
even the Jews understood what Jesus claimed. They questioned Him, hence, You have SEEN ABRAHAM???
Jesus then goes on to say BEFORE ABRAHAM was I AM.
now you may ask how does this prove anything?
see exodus 3:14 when moses asked God, that when he goes back to the Israelites, who do I say sent me (in terms of a name),
and God said , say that I AM has sent you.
Onto the next example,
(this one is pretty clear)
John 10:28-31
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him.
wait a minute did JESUS say that HE GIVES ETERNAL LIFE??????? then goes on to say HE AND THE FATHER ARE ONE?!?!?!?!?!
dont try and twist the meaning because the Jews understood yet again what Jesus claimed. If you didn't know, the punishment in the Old Law for someone who blasphemes is that they should be stoned to death, hence, why they always pick up stones.
onto the more complicated connections
lets first establish some attributes of God (Yahweh) based on the Old Testament
Jeremiah 17:10
10 “I the Lord search the heart
and test the mind,
to give every man according to his ways,
according to the fruit of his deeds.”
Ezekiel 33:20
20 Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ O house of Israel, I will judge each of you according to his ways.”
Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
“I am the first and I am the last;
besides me there is no god.
SO. Now we can for sure say that GOD is the FIRST AND LAST, THE JUDGE, AND THE ONE WHO SEARCHES THE HEARTS correct???
Now lets see what Jesus says about Himself.
Revelation 2:22-23
22 Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works, 23 and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you according to your works.
WAIT. did JESUS just say that HE SEARCHES THE MIND AND HEARTS?!?!?!?!? and He also said THAT HE GIVES EACH OF YOU ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS?!?!?!?!?!?!? BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS YAHWEH WHO DID THOSE THINGS.
how can a creature know everyone's works and hearts?
but wait. you might be a skeptic and say, "well did Jesus really say that? and where?"
see a few verses before who it tells us who's speaking:
Revelation 2:18
18 “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: ‘The words of the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and whose feet are like burnished bronze.
wait whose words? the SON OF GOD's words?????? ahhhh ok. now we know for sure who is speaking and if you want to look it up yourself you are welcomed to.
keep in mind those Old Testament verses because they tied Jesus to His divinity.
Now lets talk about Isaiah 44:6 where it says that YAHWEH says that He is the FIRST AND LAST.
Now lets look at what Jesus said:
Revelation 22:13
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
WAIT WHAT?!?!?!?! JESUS said HE is the FIRST AND LAST?!?!?!?!? BEGINNING AND END?!?!?!?!?! this is clear as day; no need for an explanation on this.
lets look at more examples:
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
wait a minute...........a CHILD'S NAME SHALL BE MIGHTY GOD?!?!?!?!?!?! EVERLASTING FATHER?!!?!?!?! clearly this child(human) is God in the flesh. This is for everyone who says that "How can God be a human". To say that means you deny this scripture that PROPHESIED IT.
If you even read the first book of the Bible you would find out that this child is Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
moving on to some more complicated symbolic examples,
Jesus is also said to be God by John in Revelation linked to a symbolic description of YAHWEH.
Revelation 5:6
6 Then I saw in the midst of the throne and the four living creatures and in the midst of the elders a Lamb standing, as if slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth.
See these passages for the reference:
Zechariah 3:9
9 For behold, the stone that I have put before Joshua; on one stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave an inscription on it,’ declares Yahweh of hosts, ‘and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
Zechariah 4:10
10 For who has despised the day of small things? But these seven will be glad when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel-these are the eyes of Yahweh which roam to and from throughout the earth.”
The seven horns and seven eyes are symbolism for perfection and completeness
(7 in reference to the perfect and complete creation in ‘7’ DAYS)
in both the sight of Christ and Christ being a perfect, complete King of Kings of Heaven and Earth
To end off, the disciples even say to Jesus that He knows everything:
John 16:30
30 Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God.”
@@munamas6505The truth? The Truth is that the 'Word' is God and God is the Word. Word and God are interchangeable. A few sentences further it says that the 'Word' became incarnate. Who is that? Jesus. So Jesus is the Word incarnate. Jesus is God.
'Εν αρχη' (translated elegantly as 'in the beginning') can be translated also as 'before anything else'. Hence God saying I am the Alpha and the Omega (metaphor and short-hand) meaning of ALL. But doesn't the alphabet have a start and an end? Yes, so it's a metaphor for everything there was and is even before time. The Word was never created. It has always existed. That is, the Word pre-existed everything and later (2000 yrs ago) became flesh.
The problem with JWs, Muslims etc. is they start from a previously pre-decided conviction about the nature of Jesus and then read the Scriptures through that conviction. They read into the Gospels what they have already decided they should be saying (rather than with a pure mind) and so twist and distort it to fit.
We must also not divorce the foundation of JWs from the historical context.i.e. the period of petty politics, power lust and jealousies of multi-denominational late 19th century american christianity. Distinguishing one's 'brand' was imperative.
Sam leaves no stone unturned .We are blessed to have a brother in Christ like this
I'm getting educated every day by Sam. What a blessing he is to us. May God keep and protect him.
Jesus is God. Amen.
can you support your claim?
can you show where Jesus himself claims to be god?
@@universal1772Yeah, who other than God give eternal life and sustains creation?
@@universal1772 Mark 11:1-3 Jesus called himself the Lord.
Mark 5:19-20 Jesus called himself the Lord
John 5:22-23 you must honor the Son (Jesus) as much as you honor his Father including worship, (like the disciples worshipped Jesus on the ship in Mathew 14,33. And Thomas called Jesus my Lord and my God in John 20:28)
John 10:30 Jesus said I and the Father are one.
@@universal1772 hahahaha! You are so funny! So you mean that john that says logos is god is a liar?? Or stupid?? Or inadequate???
@@dualtags4486 who is the god that give eternal life and sustains creation?
👉"I said therefore to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.” -John 8:24
"For in him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily." - Colossians 2:9
"Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: God was revealed in the flesh..." -1 Timothy 3:16
"Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son. They shall call his name Immanuel;" which is, being interpreted, "God with us." -Matthew 1:23
"If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on, you know him, and have seen him..."-John 14:7
"...before Abraham came into existence, I AM." - John 8:58
"looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ." - Titus 2:13
'..."We don't stone you for a good work, but for blasphemy: because you, being a man, make yourself God."' -John 10:33
"...Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God..." -Romans 9:5
'Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed..."' -John 20:28
"...I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."
- Revelation 22:13
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1
"The Word became flesh, and lived among us..." - John 14
"For to us a child is born. To us a son is given; and the government will be on his shoulders. His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." - Isaiah 9:6
'Jesus said, "I'm the light that's over all. I am the All. The All has come from me and unfolds toward me. Split a log; I'm there. Lift the stone, and you'll find me there."' - Gospel of Thomas, Saying 77
"His Son is the radiance of his glory, the very image of his substance..." - Hebrews 1:3
”Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus, who, existing in the form of God..." -Philippians 2:5
'Seeing their faith, he said to him, "Man, your sins are forgiven you." The scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, "Who is this that speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?"' -Luke 5:20-21
'When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead man. He laid his right hand on me, saying, "Don't be afraid. I am the first and the last, and the Living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. I have the keys of Death and of Hades."'
- Revelation 1:17-18
Jesus received worship:
"Where is he who is born King of the Jews? For we saw his star in the east, and have come to worship him."
- Matthew 2:2
"They came into the house and saw the young child with Mary, his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him..."
-Matthew 2:11
"When they got up into the boat, the wind ceased. Those who were in the boat came and worshiped him... " -Matthew 14:32-33
"... They came and took hold of his feet, and worshiped him." -Matthew 28:9
"He said, "Lord, I believe!" and he worshiped him.' -John 9:38
..."Let all the angels of God worship him." -Hebrews 1:6
Now compare this to when people tried to worship people or even angels:
'I fell down before his feet to worship him. He said to me, "Look! Don't do it! I am a fellow bondservant with you and with your brothers who hold the testimony of Jesus. Worship God, for the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy."' -Revelation 19:10
'Now I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. When I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who had shown me these things. He said to me, "See you don't do it! I am a fellow bondservant with you and with your brothers, the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."' -Revelation 22:8-9
'When it happened that Peter entered, Cornelius met him, fell down at his feet, and worshiped him. But Peter raised him up, saying, "Stand up! I myself am also a man."' -Acts 25:26
... And in Acts 14:8-18, St. Paul rejects worship
And from the mouth of Yahweh Himself:
⚠️"I will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; 👉and they will look to me whom they have pierced..." -Zachariah 12:10
Thank you ! It's part of my actual research
You're welcome friend, my pleasure. I hope these may be equally helpful:
Jesus is God, part 2 💜
'But of the Son he says, “Your throne, 👉O God👈, is forever and ever..."' -Hebrews 1:8
"AND THOU, BETHLEHEM Ephrata, art a little one among the thousands of Juda: out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be the ruler in Israel: 👉and his going forth is from the beginning, from the days of eternity." -Micah 5:2
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever." -Hebrews 13:8
👉"For I am the Lord [Yahweh], and I change not..." -Malachi 3:6
Jesus is LORD (Yahweh):
'"This is what Yahweh, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Yahweh of Armies, says: 👉“I am the first, and I am the last;👈 and besides me there is no God."' -Isaiah 44:6
“Why does this man speak blasphemies like that? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
[👉 EXACTLY! 😂] -Mark 2:7
👉"...our God and Savior, Jesus Christ" -2 Peter 1:1
"For by him [Jesus] all things were created in the heavens and on the earth, visible things and invisible things, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things have been created through him and for him." -Colossians 1:16
"To the only God our Saviour through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory and magnificence, empire and power, before all ages, and now, and for all ages of ages. Amen." -Jude 1:25
"that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth" -Philippians 2:10
"God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds." -Hebrews 1-2 👉& don't forget Isaiah 53!💜
The JWs translate with prejudice. I say this phrased in this way because they go to the source, don't like what the source says, are unable to remain objective as a result, and translate it to what they want it to say. I can't think of a better way of saying it than they translate it "with prejudice".
Interesting, up to this point have you read or researched why JWs translate John 1:1 "a god"? What makes them prejudice that you came across to make you think this way? Let's have a discussion I'm interested.
@yahuhallah1259 it is exactly explained in the video why they do this. I rescued my wife from the Jehovah's Witnesses and their false Gospel. The "translators" from the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses do not possess an intimate understanding of the Greek language. When they see something they don't understand, like the differences between the subject, the possessive, the tense and context of nouns given their placement in a sentence, they make assumptions about what it means instead of using objective scrutiny to authenticate the translation from source material like the Greek manuscripts ofnthe Gospel. They don't understand in John 1:1 why the nominative Theon is used in certain sentences instead of the proper Theos, so they assume that it either means something different or is lesser than the proper noun. Which is why they add in English words that don't appear in Greek in the original manuscripts like "a" before "god". This is why virtually every other bible printed in English says WAS GOD instead of WAS A GOD, because the vast majority of scholars do not take issue with the source and are able to read and translate it objectively; the Jehovah's Witnesses have a preconceived theology that appears before their first translation into English of the Bible, so when they go to the source and realize it doesn't actually say what they wish it did, they make changes in the translation to make it appear as though it does. They also didn't like that the Greek phonetic word "stavros" or "stavrauth" (cross) appears in the manuscripts but their word for 'stake' (phonetic "straichma") doesn't actually appear, and this didn't stop them from falsely translating stavros (cross) to stake (straichma). It means they don't care what the manuscripts say and they'll change them how they see fit to adhere to their preconceived idea. That is translation with prejudice.
@@CrookedHillSound Let’s focus on John 1:1 you do realize what you said is totally inaccurate. We give grammatically justifications that are justified that even grammarians Trinitarians agree it can be translated “a god”. It’s obvious if we’re going to be honest it’s *YOU* who is bias and prejudice not the JWs
@yahuhallah1259 you do not give grammatic justifications, and your own interlinear bible reflects this. Nothing I said is untrue, and you are spreading a false gospel if you are an advocate of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Paul and Jesus permitted me to rebuke you and your false gospel, and Paul specifically called you dog, and to beware of you. So, in a sense - yes, my personal prejudice against Jehovah’s Witnesses is as justified as God's own intolerance of sin. Embrace the true Christ and turn away from your father the Devil before its too late.
@@CrookedHillSound
Bible translators of trinitarian bible translations admit they have a theology to protect. C’mon.
I have a list of dozen of Bible translations that translate like Jehovah’s witnesses do in John 1:1 and most of which are trinitarian.
Even the Sahidic Coptic transition did 1700+ years before the NWT. Do you know why? How is Sahidic Coptic different than Greek and more like English?
This my brothers and sisters is deep, SAM 👊🏻
This is indeed intelligent learning. Good job Sam 👏🏽👏🏽
Since i've found your channel, I've been taught more than I've ever learned through witnesses or any Christian church❤ plenty of food at the proper time❤❤❤.
Great explanation. Thanks so much!!!!
That's right. Attic Greek did not have a "indefinite article".
I am so curious about Sam's education journey. The Holy Spirit has gifted him knowledge and discernment. Praise God!
for everyone who hasnt seen my reply to those fools that think Jesus isnt God, use this material to witness to them, proving Jesus is God. Dont just copy it, learn the material.
THIS IS PART 1
PART 2 (not my writing/article) WILL BE IN THE REPLIES OF THIS COMMENT
cf means compare/see reference
let's start with: John 8:56-59 (cf. Exodus 3:14)
John 8:56-59
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” 59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.
even the Jews understood what Jesus claimed. They questioned Him, hence, You have SEEN ABRAHAM???
Jesus then goes on to say BEFORE ABRAHAM was I AM.
now you may ask how does this prove anything?
see exodus 3:14 when moses asked God, that when he goes back to the Israelites, who do I say sent me (in terms of a name),
and God said , say that I AM has sent you.
Onto the next example,
(this one is pretty clear)
John 10:28-31
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him.
wait a minute did JESUS say that HE GIVES ETERNAL LIFE??????? then goes on to say HE AND THE FATHER ARE ONE?!?!?!?!?!
dont try and twist the meaning because the Jews understood yet again what Jesus claimed. If you didn't know, the punishment in the Old Law for someone who blasphemes is that they should be stoned to death, hence, why they always pick up stones.
onto the more complicated connections
lets first establish some attributes of God (Yahweh) based on the Old Testament
Jeremiah 17:10
10 “I the Lord search the heart
and test the mind,
to give every man according to his ways,
according to the fruit of his deeds.”
Ezekiel 33:20
20 Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ O house of Israel, I will judge each of you according to his ways.”
Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
“I am the first and I am the last;
besides me there is no god.
SO. Now we can for sure say that GOD is the FIRST AND LAST, THE JUDGE, AND THE ONE WHO SEARCHES THE HEARTS correct???
Now lets see what Jesus says about Himself.
Revelation 2:22-23
22 Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works, 23 and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you according to your works.
WAIT. did JESUS just say that HE SEARCHES THE MIND AND HEARTS?!?!?!?!? and He also said THAT HE GIVES EACH OF YOU ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS?!?!?!?!?!?!? BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS YAHWEH WHO DID THOSE THINGS.
how can a creature know everyone's works and hearts?
but wait. you might be a skeptic and say, "well did Jesus really say that? and where?"
see a few verses before who it tells us who's speaking:
Revelation 2:18
18 “And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: ‘The words of the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and whose feet are like burnished bronze.
wait whose words? the SON OF GOD's words?????? ahhhh ok. now we know for sure who is speaking and if you want to look it up yourself you are welcomed to.
keep in mind those Old Testament verses because they tied Jesus to His divinity.
Now lets talk about Isaiah 44:6 where it says that YAHWEH says that He is the FIRST AND LAST.
Now lets look at what Jesus said:
Revelation 22:13
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
WAIT WHAT?!?!?!?! JESUS said HE is the FIRST AND LAST?!?!?!?!? BEGINNING AND END?!?!?!?!?! this is clear as day; no need for an explanation on this.
lets look at more examples:
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
wait a minute...........a CHILD'S NAME SHALL BE MIGHTY GOD?!?!?!?!?!?! EVERLASTING FATHER?!!?!?!?! clearly this child(human) is God in the flesh. This is for everyone who says that "How can God be a human". To say that means you deny this scripture that PROPHESIED IT.
If you even read the first book of the Bible you would find out that this child is Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
moving on to some more complicated symbolic examples,
Jesus is also said to be God by John in Revelation linked to a symbolic description of YAHWEH.
Revelation 5:6
6 Then I saw in the midst of the throne and the four living creatures and in the midst of the elders a Lamb standing, as if slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth.
See these passages for the reference:
Zechariah 3:9
9 For behold, the stone that I have put before Joshua; on one stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave an inscription on it,’ declares Yahweh of hosts, ‘and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
Zechariah 4:10
10 For who has despised the day of small things? But these seven will be glad when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel-these are the eyes of Yahweh which roam to and from throughout the earth.”
The seven horns and seven eyes are symbolism for perfection and completeness
(7 in reference to the perfect and complete creation in ‘7’ DAYS)
in both the sight of Christ and Christ being a perfect, complete King of Kings of Heaven and Earth
To end off, the disciples even say to Jesus that He knows everything:
John 16:30
30 Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God.”
Sam you're my Hero. And I should know because I am one of the original American Gladiators and was in 2 Batman Films and co-stared in Mortal Kombat Annihilation.
Keep doing Apologetis and Polemics as you continue to destroy the lies of Islam and the JW's etc.
You are truly a Blessing my brother 💪
The Hebrew Gospel of John was recovered and authenticated. Here's what it says:
Yochana 1:1 In the beginning was the Son of Eloah. The Son of El was both with El, and the Son of El was Eloah.
If this true that proves the trinity more
Is Eloah the father the son Jesus and el the spirit ? Do you have a reff ??? This is amazing if so
Can you give the source
Gospels in Hebrew are translations of the Greek
When they recovered and where the location? How they wrote and translate in Hebrew the NT mostly are Greek translation?
Great work Sam! I pray you and your family
I'm so glad I've stumbled on Sam on a few different channels. He makes some things understandable to me. Amazing to me. Some things I wondered about for so long.
Encore! Encore! Sam you would make an excellent Preacher Training School instructor with your abilities.
R. D. Patton
Preaching Minister and Elder,
Vancleave Church of Christ (2001-Present)
Graduate of Brown Trail School of Preaching, 1998
Bachelor of
Ministry in Christian Writing, Bear Valley Bible Institute of Biblical Studies, 2006
Sam’s knowledge and wisdom comes from the fire of the Holy Spirit, it’s irrefutable and flawless knowledge gifted to Sam
😮.. I'm amazed by God truth. Thank you and be blessed !
I think the main confusion for most sincere people who ever tried to explain this is that they don't properly differentiate between nature and personhood. The Father and the Word are two different persons but have the same nature, this is the essence of it.
Two different persons mean two separate individuals. One is the Father and the other is His Son.
In what civilization has a father been his son or even been equal to his son?
In real life, a son comes into existence because of his father. Logically, who has to come into existence first? Give it some rational thought.
Thank you Jesus, in your divine wisdom, at the precise time in the timeline of history, placed your son/servant to teach us your will for us to be saved.👑👑👑
John 1:1 " In the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was within God and the WORD was God. ....bossom ring a bell?
How can someone who is WITH another be that very same other?
I was WITH my Mom and I was my Mom????
Here is how John 1:1 is properly rendered.
• 1808: "and the Word was a god" - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.
• 1822: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.)
• 1829: "and the Word was a god" - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829)
• 1863: "and the Word was a god" - A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863)
Just some of many.
@@jimjuri6490 ....wow, you must be a JW. What part of God's body did he bring forth the Word?
@@jimjuri6490 I see your trolling Sam. So ask Sam if the Word was within the Father?
@@jimjuri6490 ....another question do you believe you have a inner being?
@@RG-qn2qmnobody has an inner being. If anything, they are the inner being, if there is an inner being at all other than just us.
Sam again for the win!!!!
Nice language lesson, I'm impressed with Sam's patience teaching Greek, it's not easy to learn.
I thought Greek was pretty easy, as far as languages go.
@@TexasHoosier3118 than some others 👍
What an incredible man Sam is. I am in awe of his knowledge.
Qualitative ✔️ like God 😊
I hate that I can’t quote or reference articles by Sam in r/AcademicBible and other forums because “1. Sam is an apologist and 2. He’s not a ‘scholar.’”
This is the best explanation of Colwells Rule I’ve seen
examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2011/11/colwells-jbl-article-definite-rule-for.html?m=1
This might help ya
Jesusloveyou
Sam look up (Jon truth) and look at that video about Constantine Creed. And y this guy left Christianity. If u can make a video please. Keep up the good work
The long and short of it is they used to use the KJV, but it was inconvenient having a book that contradicted their beliefs at every turn, so they made their own.
What book? Who is their?
@@jimjuri6490 The New World Translation. Jehovah's Witnesses.
@@TexasHoosier3118 : JWs were being gathered by God from the turn of the last Century? See the prophecy at Micah 4:1-5.
The NWT came out in its present form nearly 100 years later.
What connection would the NWT have to JWs?
As a Greek and a fellow follower of Christ I was shocked on his knowledge about Greek grammar. His accent was funny tho 😅
But what is it about actual Greek grammar that simply placing an anarthrous noun "θεος" ("g/God") before the copula verb "ην" at Jn. 1:1c.
That changes its definition from meaning simply "God" into a qualitative "the nature or essence of God?" Or "Deity" as Sam and other Trinitarian apologists claim?
If John really meant sonething like that, then shouldn't he have used a term which actually means it like a form of "θεοτης" -- Strongs entry #2320. Or "θειοτης" #2305 instead of just "θεος" like he did?
yoo sam is being nice this time lol im playing
What Greek document are they looking at?
John 1:1
@@TexasHoosier3118 Ok troll. I'm not biting on that troll hook. Still waiting if anyone knows.
A new series on the seven great Church Councils beginning with the Council of Nicaea in 325AD
Blogging Theology
LONDON
The First Council of Nicaea was a council of Christian bishops convened in the city of Nicaea (now İznik in Turkey) by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325. It produced the Nicene Creed the most widely accepted summary of Christian belief about God and Jesus.
In the history of Christianity, the first seven councils include the following: the First Council of Nicaea in 325, the First Council of Constantinople in 381, the Council of Ephesus in 431, the Council of Chalcedon in 451, the Second Council of Constantinople in 553, the Third Council of Constantinople from 680-681 and finally, the Second Council of Nicaea in 787.
God willing I will produce a separate video on each council.
Constitution of Greece
Article 3(3): The text of the Holy Scriptures shall be maintained unaltered. The official translation thereof into any other linguistic form, without the sanction of the Autocephalous Church of Greece and the Great Church of Christ in Constantinople, is prohibited.
Everyone, be like Greece and don't allow heretics of no standing to make fake translations to deceive people unfamiliar with the Greek text and divide the body of Christ. God bless Greece and the Eastern Orthodox Church and Patriarchate of Constantinople who will always protect the Church from heretics.
There are constitutions which forbit the insulting of other religions. Does that stop these ones.
If a country brings in a ruling, it is sure to have Satan's influence.
1 John 5:19 We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.
I don't know what to say!! He is now teaching english/greek grammar! Unbelievable! Many pastors, preachers, bishops will do themselves a big favour by listening and being educated by this man. Including many Christian youtubers. About two years ago I was on a mission to convert to Islam, I stumbled onto Sam Shamoun's video/s. Initially I hated him because I thought, there we go again an American who thinks he knows better. Gradually I began to hear/understand and critically analyse he's presentations. I then completely accepted him after listening to the entire series he did with a Somalian Christian TV (I think they are ex Muslims). Him and Dr Jay Smith they contributed to my dumping the idea of joining Islam. They also made me discover that Islam is false and that Muhammad was not a good man at all, he was far from being a prophet.
Let's relook at 10 commandments.
*The Ten Commandments.*
1. **You shall have no other gods before Me.**
2. **You shall not make for yourself a carved image**-any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them.
3. **You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.**
4. **Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.**
5. **Honor your father and your mother.**
6. **You shall not murder.**
7. **You shall not commit adultery.**
8. **You shall not steal.**
9. **You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.**
10. **You shall not covet** your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.
1. Corithians 8: 5 ) For even though there are
so-called gods, whether in
heaven or on earth, just as
there are many “gods” and
many “lords,”
The Greek word God it means ,,mightfull Being."
The Bible says Angels are Lords and gods.
The John 1: 18 Jesus had a begining, as a Created god.
Like all Angels.
Psalm 82: 1 )🔸
God takes his place in the
divine assembly; In the
middle of the gods🔶
he judges:
In Greek sense the term: god, musst be definied.
Win 5:20 He said so, I don’t need any other evidence
We keep talking about the word of God but did you ever ask what's it for? The word of God is not God exhaustively. It only described God's mind (thinking). If we will write everything about God, we will have a book bigger than the universe itself and we are still writing. That's why the bible is for us to change our thinking like that of God. Rom 12:1 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God-this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the RENEWING OF YOUR MIND. God's mind is the holy spirit.Isa 40:13 Who can fathom the Spirit [d/mind] of the Lord, or instruct the Lord as his counselor? Our mind is our dominant nature, it controls our entire being. God with all His intelligence, power and might who can crushed us in the wink of an eye, we wonder that in the evil we do, He tarry, is because His mind (holy) controls His being. God in His infinite mercy chose (thinking) to give us His love (chances) by giving us a savior. That savior (perfect lamb) is the one who will be born sinless and remain sinless. So, God gave us Jesus (born immaculate) through supernatural birth to avoid being infected by sin (of Adam), and that Jesus obeyed (word became flesh) God and qualified as the perfect lamb. When God was pleased He was not please by an instant savior, that will be absurd. God was pleased with Jesus because Jesus obeyed God by Jesus' reverent submission (Heb 5:7-10). He became (anointed) our savior (High Priest). Jesus was first born because he is the first man who obeyed (word became flesh). Jesus was with God not in person in the beginning but through God's omniscience, God knew of the coming savior (hope), that He created us. God will never create anything just to destroy them. For God's mind is love. All creation (mankind) are required to obey God's word (conform to God's mind). Our obedience will make us all like God not God. Eph 4:23 to be made new in the ATTITUDE OF THE MINDS 24 and to put on the new self, CREATED TO BE LIKE GOD in true righteousness and holiness. Jesus obedience made him one with God and so does our's. Jesus being God in the scripture is a caretaker position (1 Cor 15:24-28). Jesus is not inherently God but given (Dan 7:13-14/Mat 28:18) because God was pleased, Jesus could have avoided the cross for he abide in the word and the word abide in him and can ask God for anything (John 15:7/Heb 5:7-10). Yet, Jesus did not take advantage of that promised and chose to die like a sinners to save us. Isa 53:10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand. No matter what our physical talents are what important is our conformed mind (spirit) for by it, if we do conform to God's mind like Christ did, will used our entire being with love of our neighbors because our conformed mind controls us.
Belief in god needs no religion we must ALL look at the bigger picture and stop being petty
Jesus dsagrees with you.
@@TexasHoosier3118 No he did not in fact God and Jesus have no religion ,man created it to worship thats why every story is written by man for man
Tells you to look at the english word when the Greek words are different.
Sorry, what? So if I quote you a text that originated in English which reads, _"no gods exist,"_ are you saying that would be "IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE NO GODS EXIST"? No interpretation required, we definitely know what the text says and what it clearly means. Is that irrefutable evidence, or is it a claim that we'd need evidence to prove?
Your answer about my text tells you whether this video is evidence Jesus was a god. So once again we're left with no reasonable evidence a god exists.
Does that make sense? This video is saying it has irrefutable evidence Jesus is God, but *what was presented?* Text from the Bible, which this man interpreted. Well let's ignore the problems with interpretation for now and assume his interpretation is 100% _exactly_ what the original authors had in mind. _How would that be evidence Jesus is God at all?_ It would only be evidence a text was definitely communicating a specific message.
Well that's why I used my example ("no gods exist"). That's a message. Does having a message guarantee the message is truth? No. Therefore, we don't have evidence Jesus is God.
sheesh
Set up situation to escape punishment they know all of them is going into hell they have plan to escape the punishmentl
If you read this verse like the way the new world translation words it then the Jehovah's witnesses are worshipping a pagan pantheon god and have turned the word whom is jesus into a herculean god
No, JWs only worship one God, the Father Jehovah (YHWH). Not a "pantheon of them" as you allege.
And render the proper obeisance to his Son Jesus Christ as "a god" as the eldest and greatest of the lesser angelic "gods" or divine beings alongside of him.
Just as all the angels as "the sons of God" in heaven (Gen. 6:4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7).
Are called "gods" as well (i.e., Psa. 8:5; 86:8; 97:7; 138:1 -- "elohim", "gods"). Which even Sam in the video affirms. ... that the angels are actually gods.
There is no religion without the word don't tell me Jesus is not lord if you can't even give me the name of your lord and don't give him multiple names there can be only one
15:44 diety is the entity--the being. Or a relation to/from the being. God is Diety the Nature of God is diVinity.
The word is not called Jesus here and is not Jesus. It even is said that the word became flesh...flesh has been presumed to be saying Jesus. Because it became Jesus it wouldn't have been Jesus in the first place. You don't become the same thing you already are.-Ernie Moore Jr.
Theos, a word to indicate the being that is a god..is from God..is of God or belongs to God.
We know Jesus to be the result of a promise or God having given God's word..as we might say.. can we have your word on it..will you do it?? Do you give your word.....my word is binding..a person's word is their bond. Jesus is the fleshing-out-of a promise.-Ernie Moore Jr.
The holy thing that is to receice the name We know of as Jesus was conceived. At conception there is no flesh..there is life but it goes through an evolving process as it develops into what we regard as being a human being. Since the phrase is the word became flesh...that's immediate. But flesh doesn't exist at conception..and doesn't happen for many days...the word use of flesh should be looked at for an alternative to the pitch "turned into a human being--Jesus....-Ernie Moore Jr.
The word is not Jesus, yet Jesus is the word. The Bible is the word. Jesus is not a Book..not a library building..not a Bible...God's promise is God's word. A message from God is the word..the word belonging to God. The word from God God's word. The word word has reasonable possible meanings that are Not to say that God is Jperson-Ernie Moore Jr.
Theo with an article ...--the being. Theo no article --a characteristic or nature or substance or authority relating to the being that is God..God who has not not ever existed, God who exists, God who will for forever exist,, God who has no gods beside....the passage is set-up to a sceptical audience who respects clout. It seem designed or a design to give Jesus respectability of No diety--Jesus thought Not to rob God by claiming equality with, but made himself of no reputation- No man equal to God....give Jesus not diety-- there is only one God..Jesus the special event begotten son Of!! the one god God... give one called Jesus not diety but divinity!!...Jesus--God with Jesus-Emmanuel is the way the truth of how God can be with us. Jesus-divine,, conceived by the holy ghost by the will of God..addressing a promise in covenant to Abraham, God's word given and what God says has the authority Of! God. God's promise has the authority Of! God. God's message has the truth of being From! God. And Jesus should be regarded as speaking with God's authority..doing acts by God's authority, Jesus himself essentially not able to do anything, Jesus is a message that the one Living god God exists and recognize God no god beside. Jesus is the keeping of covenant. God keeps God's word by sending through conception a human who lives human and shows it possible to live with God and shows the way.. the way by emptying one's self of vain-glory to have room to have God live in you 100% with loving God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.-Ernie Moore Jr
Good job ! Absolutely !! Predicarive nomitive = katigoroumeno in greek grammar! You are absolutely right -,! logos is god , logos = god ! - ❤
In simple english
you can say john and mary are (only) human .
You cant say john and mary are a human!
That is why sam is correct. You don t add a !
Very good job mr sam !❤
Oh really? ...
Well what exactly is so "good" about it?...
For instance, what Sam and other Trinitarian apologists won't show you.
Same grammar at Jn. 1:1c regularly occurring throughout John's Gospel. Where English Bible translations routinely insert the indefinite article "a" before the predicate nominative noun.
Jn. 1:1c - " ... was God" (traditional rendering)
Jn. 1:1c - " ... was a god" (NWT)
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Jn. 4:19 - "... are a prophet"
Jn. 6:70 - " ... is a devil"
Jn. 8:34 - " ... is a slave"
Jn. 8:44 - " ... was a murderer"
Jn. 8:44 - "... is a liar"
Jn. 8:48 - "... are a Samaritan"
Jn. 9:8 - " ... was a beggar"
Jn. 9:17 - " ... is a prophet"
Jn. 9:24 - " ... is a sinner"
Jn. 9:25 - " ... is a sinner"
Jn. 10.1 - " ... is a thief"
Jn. 10:13 - " ... is a hired hand"
Jn. 12:6 - " ... was a thief"
Jn. 18:35 - " ... am not a Jew"
Jn. 18:37 - " ... are a King"
Jn. 18:37 - " ... am a King"
So which rendering of Jn. 1:1 is the more consistent one with scripture?
😂😂😂😂 you don t get it do you ?? An other example simple english .
Mom and dad are loving .
You can t say mom and dad are a loving!
dad is loving !
you can t say dad is a loving !
the same way logos is god!
😮told you im a greek speaker ! sam.is right!
And an other example simple english -
john is mysterious
Not john is a mysterious
Mary is secretive
Not mary is a secretive
mary is spanish
Not mary is a spanish
Theese add quality they aren t simple nouns
so in greek when you say
Theos einai o logos
Means logos is god !
In this sentence like when one says mary is spanish - it means in her total body - in her total being
Her head can not be then japanish and her arms english and her legs canadian 😅-, in her wholenness
in the same way dad is loving
so in the same way logos is god in total - in all he is -, he is god
Logos is god.
Since jesus himself said he is not, was not, and will not be God then I'm just going to call everyone who thinks otherwise are idiots! Good day! Oh even god himself said not to have any other gods before him! Oh well!
Genesis chapter 1 : IN THE beginning G-d created the heaven and the earth. John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. who says this? John the apostle. not god says or Jesus. Why should i believe him? this sentence may be corrupt. this new testament verse direct contradict with the genesis 1.
so, Christians worship human they believe . their effort is, anyhow establish Jesus anywhere, it maybe in the bush, desert ,swamp, canal or on the glacier top. don't establish him place like Las Vegas.
Falsehood, error, perversion, deception are used by antillaw christians to justify idolatrous doctrines borrowed from idolaters.
All sons of the most high God Yehovah are God but none is God, the true God besides Yehovah himself alone.
Psalm 82:1,6-7 ASV
God standeth in the congregation of God; He judgeth among the gods. [6] I said, Ye are gods, And all of you sons of the Most High. [7] Nevertheless ye shall die like men, And fall like one of the princes.
It's easy to understand the Bible because God make it simple for Us to know, it's not written in Arabic and the words are all true, compare to the other book that waa just a fictional imagination of a false prophet
False prophet? No way! Read his biography and you will know the truth. The Jews in Medina (they came there to witness the final Prophet's arrival) knew about him. His description was clearly in their books. When he arrived they questioned him and he responded correctly.
They tried to kill him because they were expecting a Jewish prophet, not an Arab.
One of the leaders of the Jewish tribes was descended from Aaron pbuh, the older brother of Moses pbuh. It was his daughter who married Prophet Mohammed pbuh.
@@munamas6505how do you believe this 6000 years book came after the bible
600 yrs i mean
Which of the hundreds of different bible are you referring to
Jesus christ is the eternal Spirit of life, and the son is the sacrifical lamb/body of God. And the Everlasting father lives in the sacrifical lamb who is the son/Jesus Christ one and the same almighty God Jesus christ reconciled man's conscience back to the divine conscience of God. Therefore, God is the eternal Spirit of life and the wisdom/divine conscience who lives in bodily form in the Sacrifical lamb who is called Emmanuel, Jesus the christ. As the one and only true living God who sits on His glorious throne as the glorified lamb.
I'm sick of this argument. I've studied since 1974. Some critics suspect Joh 1:1------18 constitutes a Christ hymn, which was later interpolated or stitched in ,used as philosophical prologue. I'm not saying it is a later conflation. I would say I Don't know, since nobody has the ORIGINAL AUTOGRAPH of Ioannes.
If you check its similarity in style with 1 John, it’s perfectly in keeping with John to make broad philosophical statements at the opening of his larger works. There’s no reason at all to go beyond that.
@@DefinedFaith Conservative eh?
@@Joe-bx4wn Well, yes. I used to be impressed with liberal critics but no longer. Every paradigm can be scrutinized, but liberal scholarship often has “established” views as factual on little to no legitimate basis.
@@DefinedFaith Yes.
The Bible itself refutes the trinity doctrine.
Psalm 102 25 In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
26 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
Like clothing you will change them
and they will be discarded.
27 But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.
Hebrews 1 10 He also says,
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
Isaiah 6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
‘I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
Revelation 1 17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
Genesis 18 The Lord appeared to Abraham near the large trees of Mamre. Abraham was sitting at the entrance to his tent. It was the hottest time of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. So he quickly left the entrance to his tent to greet them. He bowed low to the ground.
There is no trinity in the bible. Read Matthew 16: 13-17.
Whats up with the end comments re John would have used "theios" if he ment 'a god'?
Sam's on biblehub, he knows if he clicks on 'theos", Youngs will clearly show theos means "(a)God, (b)a god, generally".
That's a bit suss Sam.
again you trying to established jesus is god in the bush,in the jungle, top of the oak tree , in the swamp and top of the alpine glaciers.
Sam...SDA's do not teach that Christ was only a man while on earth - he was both man and God... but he withheld or did not manifest the fullness of his divinity...Myles Christian preaches a twisted view of our theology....if you want to know what we teach talk to a committed Adventist
no need
الحمد لله على نعمة الإسلام اللهم لك الحمد والشكر على كل نعمة أنعمت بها علينا
Jesus not God
Trinity not Gods
Hard to hear anything from a stone-kisser.
Brother Sam. Your Haters Need ZEAL! KJV - Numbers 25 : 11 “Phinehas, The Son of Eleazar,
The Son of Aaron THE PRIEST, Hath Turned MY WRATH Away From The Children of Israel,
While He Was ZEALOUS for MY Sake Among Them, That I Consumed Not The Children of Israel
in MY JEALOUSY.” & KJV - Psalms 69 : 9 “For THE ZEAL of Thine House Hath Eaten Me Up;
I"m not sure if you understand what this passage is saying. Because Phinehas was zealous for Jehovah that caused him not consume the Children of Israel. This has nothing to do with Sam's manifesting demonic attitude and acts of the flesh as it's described in Galatians 5:19-21:
*19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest,* which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, *hatred,* variance, emulations, *wrath, strife,* seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Sam does not have the holy spirit as the next verses show and what these so called "haters", including Sam, actually need:
*22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.*
Are we to understand that someone who says: 'I was WITH my Uncle when he passed away. And I WAS my uncle' is to be taken seriously?
This mangling of John 1:1 by using English grammar to explain Greek grammar seems to be the last throw of the dice.
If Jesus was God along with any others anyone likes to add on, there is nothing called a beginning. As God existing alone has no beginning.
'In the BEGINNING' obviously refers to a created being coming into existence. Logically, this Firstborn of all creation (Col 1:15) would be WITH the one who created him when the concept of time began.
After all was done and dusted, the writer makes this timeless testimony.
(John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one IS THE SON OF GOD.”
God expects people who read His Word to know who a SON is.
In the beginning is referring to the initiation of events i.e. the starting of time. For time has to have a beginning because infinite regression is a logical absurdity.
You err in that you equate yourself along with your deceased uncle, who are two corporeal beings by nature and try to equate God and the Logos as being the same as two corporeal beings.
The God of the Bible is spirit and not just any Elohim spirit. For Elohim God has no locality. Contrasted with all the created elohim's, who are spirits, but they'll have location.
The Logos i.e. word of God is as eternal as God is by nature. The Logos came forth from God, just like the eternal Spirit of God, which proceeds from him.
God's Word and God's Spirit can't be created, they're an intragyral aspect of God's essence.
The Issue you have is you don't think the Bible reveals the Word and Spirit are persons, but it does. That's why Bible believing Christians embrace the concept of the trinity. God is one in essence and three in persons. Which is a logical statement to make.
We are talking about God. Is there anything an almighty God cannot do? Our human brains are limited to understanding his all mightiest in its true magnitude.
You must be so knowledgeable yet can’t comprehend something so simple!!!!
Your an ignoramous or a deceiver cause firstborn doesn’t mean he’s created cause later when you read it’s speaking about Jesus creating everything and on top of that in psalm 89:27 it says David is the firstborn. But I’m confused cause he wasn’t the first one born he wasn’t the first king or first prophet. That’s because firstborn means sovereignty over something. So if Jesus is firstborn over creation given the context of David in psalm 89:27 it doesn’t mean created it means to be sovereign so that verse is saying Jesus is sovereign of creation cause He is the Logos the Creator and on top of that it literally says the word was God and if Jesus is the word than your saying God was Created according to your Logic. Good Job man🎉
This comment is incredibly stupid. No offense.
This is simple yes Jesus is θεὸς/god and Jesus is not τὸν θεόν/The God who he was with which John distinguishes the two deities, so translating it in English it's clear the word was "a god". Sam is right Greek and Latin have no indefinite article "a" but other ancient languages like the Coptic Text says "ΑΥШ ΝЄΥΝΟΥΤЄ ΠЄ ΠϢΑϪЄ-- Sahidic Coptic text This is transliterated as Auw ne.u.noute pe p.shaje and translated And *a god was the word.* This is dating back to the 3rd century on how early Christians understood John 1:1 that had indefinite articles in their language. Conclusion: The NWT is accurate.
Wrong, the JW's butchered the Bible to fit their preconceived ideas, the entire Bible tells us Jesus in flesh IS God manifested as man.
@@andrevisser7542 Except for the part you assume JWs butchered the Bible to fit our preconceived ideas I would agree the entire Bible tells us Jesus is in the flesh is God manifested, sure I have no problem with that. But the problem you Trinitarians have is you can't distinguish the Father and Son are two distinguish beings and Jesus when on earth is not God-man considered he emptied his divinity became 100% man Philippians 2:5-10.
@@yahuhallah1259, yes the Father is not the Son (the Word manifested in flesh) but definitely not different beings, that would imply two creators which can't be.
Yes Jesus in flesh was was fully man but then u also see this...
C o l 2 : 9 K J V
[9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
We also see He returned to the glory He had before creation.
@@andrevisser7542 Except John 1:1 doesn’t say Father or Son it’s says The God (which is the Father) and god (which is the son) two separate deities not two separate persons of deity that’s adding to the text and interpolating it. And yes there is one creator God the father who used Jesus for creation that what the Greek word dia auto/through him means and intermediate agent, and this agent was used by God to create.
@yahuhallah1259 we can distinguish fine, it is you and your ilk who do not accept that God is triune and its why you omit the last phrase from 1 John 5:7. Fool.
He ain't Yahuah.He is nowhere saying is Yahuah.is saying elohim and elohim does not mean god.is second in command and He was given all authority, by whom??He was made a little lower than the angels.....was tempted by Satan..yet Yahuah can't tempt or be tempted.Had to learn obedience, yet Yahuah is omniscient..Yahuah found pleasure in putting Yahushua through pain....really???obviously one is a human and the other is spirit.
Even the improper translations read as 'and the Word WAS God ' ref John 1:1
How will this help those who want to believe that Jesus IS God?
God can never be a past tense.
God IS love. 1 John 4:8.
Logically John 1:1 should translate as 'and the Word was a god."
The term god refers to a mighty being. Jesus being an angel would be a god.
WAS, the past tense, is because John tells us that this angel took on human form (verse 14).
This son of God wasn't an angel when on earth. Humans cannot kill an angel. Jesus was killed.
Please abandon your interpretation of Jesus being a created angel through which all things were created. Don't honor him as such the same way yiu honor Jehova alongside Jehova. You know very well this is unreasonable. There is an angel who would love it if you ascribed to him the glory of creation. God's Logos designed him to be so magnificent, his splendor went straight to his head and now he fancies himself the God of this world. You know God will not share his glory with another, he is a jealous God. No angel can get any credit, not even slightest for what God did. It's all his.
He always existed united with his Logos and Spirit. Just because the first verse says in the beginning the Logos was with God and was God does not mean that before the beginning, in eternity God was without his Logos and Spirit. He does not change. Please don't offend him with an interpretation that in eternity God was without God's Logos.
Nothing wrong with "the Word was God" because the Word emptied Himself to become one of us, MAN.
When the manifested Word finished what He came to do, He returned to where He came from, returned to the glory He had for eternity...
Jesus was not killed. He laid done his life as a sacrifice. A sacrifice is something you give freely, not taken from you, that would be a theft. John 10:18…no one takes it from me, I lay it down. “In the beginning” refers to the past. The Word was then, is now, will be in future.
@@andrevisser7542 : Can someone be WITH his Mother and also be his mother?
People who can believe such an illogical statement are bound to believe anything illogical.
The WORD is a title that Jesus had when he was WITH God. God used Jesus as spokesperson among the angels.
Hebrews 1:2 states that God used this same angel as spokesperson to humans in the first century.
It is this angel whom God SENT to become the last Adam.
(1 Corinthians 15:45) So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
One son of God (Jesus) can be the EQUAL of another son of God (Adam).
How can God be Adam's EQUAL?
@@andrevisser7542 : Is that an admission that Jesus was NOT GOD?
WAS God because he became MAN.
Logically Jesus was no longer God while a man. Is that what one means?
And GOD WAS THE WORD. It meeans GOD=The word. If we write (the word )instead of (GOD),the sentence will be. In the beginning was GOD and GOD was towards GOD and GODwas GOD there 2 .gods stypid sam
Actually, it's even worse than that. As it makes the entire verse a ridiculous contradictory mess of Christ as the God he is supposedly "with" at the same time.
So "God is both with God, and is that same God???" ....
Go figure ....
@@H.T.2forever are you sure this is english speaking logic?
how can people keep beliveing the trinity its man made go look for yourself andJesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”John20 vs17 see here jeusus has a father and a god hello
He also said if you have seen me you have seen the father
This is as incoherent as it gets. You are a fool.
Jesus in flesh is God MANIFESTED as man, u have to discern the way He spoke as man, He only alluded to who He really is at times. Those who understood what He said wanted to stone Him for it...
Jesus claimed to be the owner of glory, the forgiven of sins, the one who raises the dead back to life, the First and the Last, the final judge and the Truth.
These are all things that the LORD claimed in the Old Testament, that are entirely unique to Him.
These qualities and possessions are what make God absolutely unique and set apart from creation. Knowing this, Jesus still applied these qualities and attributes to Himself, even more so, He did so in front of the Roman Jewish public knowing he would get physically abused - stoned.
John 1v1 is talking about the plans and purposes of God not a trinitarian deception .
The word word is logos which means though ,idea ,plans purpose, intent,motivation, yes those thoughts and plans involved Jesus and what he was to do but it has nothing to do with with a triune God head.
This though and idea process is backed up by
1cor 8v6 and col1 vs16.
Why would you take Strong's 3056. logos and remove from your explanations all meanings that matters for correct interpretation of the verse? Logos primarily means word, communication, reasoning, mental faculty. How can anybody plan, have thoughts or ideas without intellect? God is an intelligent being and intelligent design of everything confirms it. Neurolinguistic research will tell you it is impossible to have logic or reason without a language and without reason, no plans, ideas or intentions. Language, intellect, words and reasoning go hand in hand. Bible clearly says all things were created in the son, for the son and through the son who is visible image of invisible God because he is his Logos already with God in the beginning. In God's intellect, through God's intellect and for the pleasure of God's intellect all things were created through his word and reasoning, visible and invisible, powers and dominions including your plan of salvation. You better not argue against the obvious facts if you want things to be well with your own logos. It is very offensive to God to suggest he has no intellect or that he was at onebpoint without it just because he allowed his intellect and all that comes with his Logos manifest in flesh of Jesus for your sake. Don't use this gesture of mercy towards you against God just to explain away your rejection of God, who he is and what he wants.
You really need to work on your critical thinking skills. Your response is as foolish and misinformed as it gets.
No the Word of God is a person which u will find in the old testament.
@andrevisser7542
Ok show us, you made the claim but no scriptural evidence to back it up , not good on your part or do you know there's no evidence for that claim but just want to put it out there like it's a "fact"?
Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth tactic?
@@brettmciver432, I don't say things I can't back with scripture, if you were interested u could have done ur own homework like I did.
Here are some examples...
G e n 12 : 7 Y L T98
[7] And Jehovah appeareth unto Abram, and saith, ‘To thy seed I give this land;’ and he buildeth there an altar to Jehovah, who hath appeared unto him.
J e r 1 : 11 K J V
[11] Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Jeremiah, what seest thou? And I said, I see a rod of an almond tree.
J e r 1 : 13 K J V
[13] And the word of the LORD came unto me the second time, saying, What seest thou? And I said, I see a seething pot; and the face thereof is toward the north.
You guys know that this is a trick argument right!
Nowhere is it required by scripture for us to believe that Jesus is God!
God the Father presents Jesus to us as His “ Beloved Son in whom I am well pleased!”
Unbelievers use “Jesus is not God” as a statement of ignorance.
Yet, the selling point of our Lord is that He was sent by The Father.
You can’t be saved without believing that.
Yet you can refer to Him as God and NOT be saved.
Many believe that Mary was God’s mother.
Meaning God the Father.
Meaning Mary gave birth to God the Father.
How easily things get twisted when we don’t stick to the text.
Eve was the first to deal with “twisted text” and you see how that turned out.
Careful!
Don’t let the wicked one ensnare you with trick questions!
Jesus forgives sins, creates life, claims to be the I Am, and countless other Theophanies. You are ignorant to theology and the exegesis of the Apostles.
You literally have no idea what you’re talking about. Very embarassing and sad
Anathema Christ is Our Lord and God, He declared himself to he the I Am, he claimed to be the Divine son of man who would come on the clouds, he is Jehova in the flesh, Mary is The Mother of God, God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity Jesus Christ who died for your sins, Our God of offered himself to atone for sin, if he were only a man then the sacrifice would be in Vain for no man can died for another's sins, but if Christ were God then the sacrifice could fulfill the atonement for the entire human race past present and future but only if he were the Divine God The Son.
The concept of a son being his own father was unheard of. Until the apostasy came up with it.
Defying all logic and scripture. Acts 20:30 is the prophecy about the Trinity.
when did Jesus "create life" and claim to be God? He never did either of those things. Christians want to assume the "Before Abraham was, I am!" line in the bible is Jesus claiming he was God or "The Word" or whatever confirmation bias they want to conclude, but that is Jesus referencing the old testament, which as a Jew isn't noteworthy at all. He didn't and wasn't claiming to be God. He was not God because God sits on the throne, not on the right hand of the throne.
You speak Good Greek sir
(He is still Jesus but is perceived as God because of this Fact!) Trust me, there is NO DENYING THIS! 🤓
Even more-so…
God is The Word - Jesus is The Light - The Holy Spirit is Holiness ❤
They all work in conjunction with each other, they are intertwined. That is why THEY ARE ONE, THE HOLY AND DIVINE TRINITY (That is where all the confusion lies) ❤️
THEY will be a plural of individuals.
How many Gods are there?
@@jimjuri6490 There is only ONE GOD! ❤️
@@user-ry1xo1wm6m : Here is what was written.
THEY ARE ONE, THE HOLY AND DIVINE TRINITY
THEY cannot refer to one.
Example. The Board of Directors of Company X are in consensus on this issue. THEY are ONE.
15:44 diety is the entity--the being. Or a relation to/from the being. God is Diety the Nature of God is diVinity.
The word is not called Jesus here and is not Jesus. It even is said that the word became flesh...flesh has been presumed to be saying Jesus. Because it became Jesus it wouldn't have been Jesus in the first place. You don't become the same thing you already are.-Ernie Moore Jr.
Theos, a word to indicate the being that is a god..is from God..is of God or belongs to God.
We know Jesus to be the result of a promise or God having given God's word..as we might say.. can we have your word on it..will you do it?? Do you give your word.....my word is binding..a person's word is their bond. Jesus is the fleshing-out-of a promise.-Ernie Moore Jr.
The holy thing that is to receice the name We know of as Jesus was conceived. At conception there is no flesh..there is life but it goes through an evolving process as it develops into what we regard as being a human being. Since the phrase is the word became flesh...that's immediate. But flesh doesn't exist at conception..and doesn't happen for many days...the word use of flesh should be looked at for an alternative to the pitch "turned into a human being--Jesus....-Ernie Moore Jr.
The word is not Jesus, yet Jesus is the word. The Bible is the word. Jesus is not a Book..not a library building..not a Bible...God's promise is God's word. A message from God is the word..the word belonging to God. The word from God God's word. The word word has reasonable possible meanings that are Not to say that God is Jperson-Ernie Moore Jr.
Theo with an article ...--the being. Theo no article --a characteristic or nature or substance or authority relating to the being that is God..God who has not not ever existed, God who exists, God who will for forever exist,, God who has no gods beside....the passage is set-up to a sceptical audience who respects clout. It seem designed or a design to give Jesus respectability of No diety--Jesus thought Not to rob God by claiming equality with, but made himself of no reputation- No man equal to God....give Jesus not diety-- there is only one God..Jesus the special event begotten son Of!! the one god God... give one called Jesus not diety but divinity!!...Jesus--God with Jesus-Emmanuel is the way the truth of how God can be with us. Jesus-divine,, conceived by the holy ghost by the will of God..addressing a promise in covenant to Abraham, God's word given and what God says has the authority Of! God. God's promise has the authority Of! God. God's message has the truth of being From! God. And Jesus should be regarded as speaking with God's authority..doing acts by God's authority, Jesus himself essentially not able to do anything, Jesus is a message that the one Living god God exists and recognize God no god beside. Jesus is the keeping of covenant. God keeps God's word by sending through conception a human who lives human and shows it possible to live with God and shows the way.. the way by emptying one's self of vain-glory to have room to have God live in you 100% with loving God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.-Ernie Moore Jr