Wow - what an education I received today from you! Thank you. I live in Maryland and am a Licensed Clinical Professional Counselor (and private practice owner). I feel that the CEU model gets old and is draining (I spread mine out most of the time, but this year we've built and bought a new home we're just about to move into, which has been super-time consuming and draining after 23 years in the same home). I would LOVE to have this option offered by our board. We're supposed to do 40 hours of CEUs per license renewal period (every two years). I struggle to find topics that are interesting at a time I have available and are offered by people whom I believe have important experiences or knowledge that I can learn from. Sitting in my silo as a single person in private practice who does tele therapy exclusively, I do feel isolated and alone. Peer consultation sounds like a dream to me. And to get credit for that? A blessing. Thank you again Marie for sharing your world. It gives me hope for change all the way over here in Maryland.
Good observations! New Mexico Psychology board has long used a model that includes credit for self-study, publications, and other professional development activities, though the majority of the 40 credits still come from CE coursework. The CA model’s recognition of the importance of peer consultation, supervision, etc are clear strengths with respect to encouraging valued professional behavior. Thanks for the review!
Thanks for making this video -- I hadn't heard about this! I'm a Massachusetts psychologist and look forward to these kinds of changes coming east. I love that the've added peer consultation because it's one of the most helpful and enjoyable activities I regularly participate in. Thanks for breaking this down.
Thank you so much for this thoughtful video. I really enjoyed seeing learning about this newer model (CPD) and how it could be more effective for our field and for our clients. I am in agreement with you that because I do a bi-monthly consultation group with colleagues, this has been a rich learning experience for me that is deeper than some of the CEU courses that I have taken. The motivation by the CA board to help us as clinicians to reduce our isolation/ burn out and be together with one another using consultation, supervision, attending board meetings, conferences etc seems important.
My main concern is the financial impact. As an early career psychologist in my 5th year, I'm rather fed up with how both the current CEU system and the new CPD requirements seem to burden newer professionals. This transition feels like yet another expensive hurdle we have to jump over just to stay active in the field. Maybe I'm wrong about the costs, but I can't help but wonder: who's profiting from this? It wasn't until my 3rd or 4th year that I even gained peers I could go to for the consultation support you described. Everything else in my region costs money for supervision or consultation, and auditing classes on introductory earnings is out of the question. We already face enough challenges without added financial strain. Can you break down the actual costs for someone who hasn't been in the field that long? Sorry for the rant. Great video!
I agree with this rant! I am not affected by these changes (yet). I guess I'm in the minority, I tend to have way more CEUs than I need. There was only 1 time early on in my career when I wasn't used to keeping up with it than I had to cram in some CEUs at the last minute.
I was so excited for this one when I saw the title. I too am guilty of CEUs. It's an interesting model. My struggle is I'm licensed in 2 states and hold a career counseling certification. All hold different requirement so I try to overlap them as much as possible. Unfortunately, there are very few trainings that are approved by both nbcc and ncda
Hi Marie! 👋fellow therapist and TH-camr here in Ohio and I resonate with so much of what you said and I am actually a little jealous of the model you get to be apart of! I am currently working on becoming a CE provider because SO much of whats offered online is outdated, unhelpful or just plain old boring. However, I see why people don't take this route, it is a ton of paperwork and not to mention an $800 application fee 😬
I'm a Certified Child Life Specialist and our renewal has Professional Development Hours (PDH) and seems similar to this model. There are different ways you can get hours (CEUs, academic credits, etc) but also categories which is where it gets frustrating. 60 hours in 5 years and you need credits among categories of assessment, intervention, professional development and ethics. The assessment category is very difficult to find trainings that really meet that topic in the child life specialist sense. So, I don't love when they added the specific number of credits for each of those categories but have always appreciated the varied ways you could meet the hours which seems to be what you are most drawn to in this new model. Another difference is all our PDH's can come from traditional CEU's, as long as they have those different categories.
So I was originally licensed, and still am, in CA as a clinical social worker. I am also an LICSW in NH and obviously have to fulfill the requirements for both states for license renewal. I will say that I was shocked when I got licensed in NH. Their requirements are SO MUCH MORE than CA, which I was not expecting. In NH we are required to get 40 hours of CEUs, with some specific trainings (ethics, suicide prevention) AND another 40 hours of consultation/collaboration hours within the 2 year renewal period. I have to say, mainly because I wasn't use to the consultation requirement, I was completely overwhelmed and frustrated at first. Now though I actually appreciate the value of the requirement. I do think 80 total hours is a bit extreme, but at least the 40 consultation hours is very doable and in my opinion worthwhile. Personally I actually really like the new changes the CA psychological board implemented.
I personally think anything the gov has their fingers in is too much. Why not give several different routes.... I already did 6 years of continuing Ed to be a counselor lol. How about take a quiz to make sure you're up on ethics and culture stuff, submit your ceus (36 is a stupid amount), or have another way. This black and white all or nothing model is something we'd counsel our clients out of and should move out of professionally too.
The national Art Therapy Credentials do not require the CEU style of renewal. Many states offer art therapy licenses and regulate the profession so depending on the state, a state licensed Art Therapist still has to adhere to the CEU license renewal.
I've always felt it was a racket. Not saying people don't benefit from the current model, but most of what I see is cramming at the last minute. The model California is using seems promising (a phrase I don't think I've ever uttered).
Wow - what an education I received today from you! Thank you. I live in Maryland and am a Licensed Clinical Professional Counselor (and private practice owner). I feel that the CEU model gets old and is draining (I spread mine out most of the time, but this year we've built and bought a new home we're just about to move into, which has been super-time consuming and draining after 23 years in the same home). I would LOVE to have this option offered by our board. We're supposed to do 40 hours of CEUs per license renewal period (every two years). I struggle to find topics that are interesting at a time I have available and are offered by people whom I believe have important experiences or knowledge that I can learn from. Sitting in my silo as a single person in private practice who does tele therapy exclusively, I do feel isolated and alone. Peer consultation sounds like a dream to me. And to get credit for that? A blessing. Thank you again Marie for sharing your world. It gives me hope for change all the way over here in Maryland.
Good observations! New Mexico Psychology board has long used a model that includes credit for self-study, publications, and other professional development activities, though the majority of the 40 credits still come from CE coursework. The CA model’s recognition of the importance of peer consultation, supervision, etc are clear strengths with respect to encouraging valued professional behavior. Thanks for the review!
Thanks for making this video -- I hadn't heard about this! I'm a Massachusetts psychologist and look forward to these kinds of changes coming east. I love that the've added peer consultation because it's one of the most helpful and enjoyable activities I regularly participate in. Thanks for breaking this down.
Thank you so much for this thoughtful video. I really enjoyed seeing learning about this newer model (CPD) and how it could be more effective for our field and for our clients. I am in agreement with you that because I do a bi-monthly consultation group with colleagues, this has been a rich learning experience for me that is deeper than some of the CEU courses that I have taken. The motivation by the CA board to help us as clinicians to reduce our isolation/ burn out and be together with one another using consultation, supervision, attending board meetings, conferences etc seems important.
My main concern is the financial impact. As an early career psychologist in my 5th year, I'm rather fed up with how both the current CEU system and the new CPD requirements seem to burden newer professionals. This transition feels like yet another expensive hurdle we have to jump over just to stay active in the field. Maybe I'm wrong about the costs, but I can't help but wonder: who's profiting from this? It wasn't until my 3rd or 4th year that I even gained peers I could go to for the consultation support you described. Everything else in my region costs money for supervision or consultation, and auditing classes on introductory earnings is out of the question. We already face enough challenges without added financial strain. Can you break down the actual costs for someone who hasn't been in the field that long? Sorry for the rant. Great video!
I agree with this rant! I am not affected by these changes (yet). I guess I'm in the minority, I tend to have way more CEUs than I need. There was only 1 time early on in my career when I wasn't used to keeping up with it than I had to cram in some CEUs at the last minute.
I was so excited for this one when I saw the title. I too am guilty of CEUs.
It's an interesting model. My struggle is I'm licensed in 2 states and hold a career counseling certification. All hold different requirement so I try to overlap them as much as possible. Unfortunately, there are very few trainings that are approved by both nbcc and ncda
Hi Marie! 👋fellow therapist and TH-camr here in Ohio and I resonate with so much of what you said and I am actually a little jealous of the model you get to be apart of!
I am currently working on becoming a CE provider because SO much of whats offered online is outdated, unhelpful or just plain old boring. However, I see why people don't take this route, it is a ton of paperwork and not to mention an $800 application fee 😬
I'm a Certified Child Life Specialist and our renewal has Professional Development Hours (PDH) and seems similar to this model. There are different ways you can get hours (CEUs, academic credits, etc) but also categories which is where it gets frustrating. 60 hours in 5 years and you need credits among categories of assessment, intervention, professional development and ethics. The assessment category is very difficult to find trainings that really meet that topic in the child life specialist sense. So, I don't love when they added the specific number of credits for each of those categories but have always appreciated the varied ways you could meet the hours which seems to be what you are most drawn to in this new model. Another difference is all our PDH's can come from traditional CEU's, as long as they have those different categories.
So I was originally licensed, and still am, in CA as a clinical social worker. I am also an LICSW in NH and obviously have to fulfill the requirements for both states for license renewal. I will say that I was shocked when I got licensed in NH. Their requirements are SO MUCH MORE than CA, which I was not expecting. In NH we are required to get 40 hours of CEUs, with some specific trainings (ethics, suicide prevention) AND another 40 hours of consultation/collaboration hours within the 2 year renewal period. I have to say, mainly because I wasn't use to the consultation requirement, I was completely overwhelmed and frustrated at first. Now though I actually appreciate the value of the requirement. I do think 80 total hours is a bit extreme, but at least the 40 consultation hours is very doable and in my opinion worthwhile. Personally I actually really like the new changes the CA psychological board implemented.
I personally think anything the gov has their fingers in is too much. Why not give several different routes.... I already did 6 years of continuing Ed to be a counselor lol. How about take a quiz to make sure you're up on ethics and culture stuff, submit your ceus (36 is a stupid amount), or have another way. This black and white all or nothing model is something we'd counsel our clients out of and should move out of professionally too.
Im happy for you.
The national Art Therapy Credentials do not require the CEU style of renewal. Many states offer art therapy licenses and regulate the profession so depending on the state, a state licensed Art Therapist still has to adhere to the CEU license renewal.
I've always felt it was a racket. Not saying people don't benefit from the current model, but most of what I see is cramming at the last minute.
The model California is using seems promising (a phrase I don't think I've ever uttered).
How do they verify you’ve done n# of hours of reading or peer consultation if they audit you?