Bonus tip for the Donderbuss Cavalry: If for whatever reason you find yourself defending a castle and donderbuss are among your forces it can actually be quite useful to dismount them and position them on a wall that covers the approach to a gate or above a killzone. They are surprisingly effective at dispatching or routing attacking melee infantry.
Joe Scirrotto I dont think so mountedt guners are moslt just mountedt matchlock I havent testedt this but it wil most likley be tru and the have les men so even normole matchlock units would be better
It’s really sad that bow cavalry is so weak in this game. It’s one of the coolest formations in history and samurai were originally horse archers. Even today mounted archery is still a part of Japan tradition.
My guess before this video premiers: 1: Donderbuss Cavalry 2: Tokugawa Mounted Gunners 3: Yoritomo's Yabusame Cavalry 4: Bow Cavalry, with a mention of the Takeda I put the hero over the Bow Cav because while they have less men, cav already have low numbers so it doesn't matter as much. However knowing MrSmartDonkey he might invery 3 and 4, as the hero can only be fielded individually in the Campaign.
I moded that to my game then changed fire cavalrys' spear to long yari spear so they impact hit before getting hit by normal yari. Also did the same for great guard though noticed that some of the cavalrys' long yari clip on uneven ground and look weird standing still but they sure look cool on the charge.
@@datuputi777 That defeats the purpose of cavalry though. They are Flankers. Never use Horses in frontal Assault against Pikes (Ashigaru's Yari). The mod you have will just make the game easier.
Fireblast89 if you don’t pay attention to your Donderbuss cav and there is a fire cav unit well You can say good bye to the donderbuss and I say that because I’ve done that before
With lists for such limited unit pools, you might as well make a "Top 1 Oda Long Yari Ashigaru Units" list! Serious suggestion: Since we're clearly out of the realm of "Top 10s" or "Top 5s" search terms, would it make more sense just to say "Top [Type] Units" without the number?
The one thing about Swooping Crane that I think has the potential of making bow cavalry and its hero version a lot better is that it allows your cavalry to outpace charging infantry while maintaining fire. BUT, it only does so for standard unit size or lower in your game settings. Any higher then standard and bow cavalry especially will have more cavalry in the same size circle formation, leading to them clogging up and slowing down. So you end up in a situation where their effectiveness is dramatically different based on your default unit size.
@@anvos658 That would mean swooping crane having that speed with smaller unit sizes was probably unintentional. But man does it make them a lot more capable
PLAYING OTOMO right now. 1. Donderbuss don´t shoot at 50 range, more like 30 range as seen in 4:55. Their bullets travel like 100 more range and that makes the 50 range stat stupid. 2. 40 hero Yabusame always ranks first with around 300 kills in autoresolve offensive sieges. In defensive sieges it is also good because aura for friendly units and long range. 3. Bow samurai cav are usefull because in offensive siege you can use fire arrows to burn down gates and then run to safety. In defensive battles they can skirmish inside the fort and then chase routing enemies. For autoresolve I recommend: 1 General, 1 bow cav, 3 samurai archers, 3 Tercos, 7 naginata + 5 katana samurai.
Tokugawa mounted gunners actually better than any infantry musket because they can shoot from the backline just like infantry archer unit. Use it as replacement not as skirmish cavalry
5:01 hahaha that single guy shooting to route the enemy unit. He was like "seriously, 6 out of 80 are left and u still wanna fight? Fine *pulls trigger*
My Takeda campaigns were much easier once I learned to rely upon bow cav, which, despite being only of average strength, give incredible battlefield control and mobility that light or yari cav cannot always provide. But. Upon your recommendations previously, my Otomo playthrough featured stupid amounts of dunderbuss cavalry, and holy shit. Just...holy shit. The carnage.
In terms of multiplayer,best are Donderbuss cavalry.Mounted Gunners,Bow cavalry and Yoritomo Yabusame Cavalry.I tested all.Donderbusses are usually match winners.
1. Donderbuss Cavalry 2. Mounted Gunners 3. Bow Cavalry 4. Yoritomo's Yabusame Cavalry I think I've been watching you long enough to know your preferences? x3 I'm honestly with you on Bow Cavalry, not having a 360 firing arc is a huge negative in my book. In Attila I won't even consider recruiting a horse archer unit that doesn't have Parthian Shot, with the only exceptions being the Sassanid's Savaran Crossbows and Semitic Pagan Himyar's Zodiac Archers, who are both good enough to make up for it. Although sadly the Zodiacs suffer the same problem as Gunpowder units in Shogun, late game building requirements.
I find if you commit to using bow cav as the major unit in a mounted army with Yari behind them in reserve you can have an army that takes very low losses. It could be my imagination but when I build entirety mounted armies it seems like the neighbouring AI recruits stacksof Yari Samurai which are perfect forthw bow cav
I know this video is old but I like to point out in Avatar multiplayer the Dunderbus are a huge pain to deal with. You can only have one but your opponent pretty much has to place significant attention on them because the slightest opening you leave can lead to frustration and defeat.
Yoritomo are so OP, they are the ultimate skirmishers. They basically work as a siege unit in battles, you'll not have to attack in any battle just put them and pull the enemy towards you
Donderbuss Calvary to me are how Hero units should’ve been or at least half, either give them a full unit size, the ability to hire as many as you want, or both.
lol i really love to use bow cavalry. Put them in the pointblank range behind the enemy's army. It's also good for countering enemy's bow ashigaru. If they aproaching you and got separated from the spear unit you can just use bow cavalry to charge the bow unit. But i don't recommend to make them stay in the mele fight for too long even if they're against bow ashigaru.
I hear everyone saying the name of the unit wrong. It is Portuguese Terços, which is read /tersosh/. Problem is that the game might not support the ç, but the letter is read like an 's'
I actually in my experience find the Yoritomo Bow Cav better than regular Bow Cav, in my Hojo campaign they regularly got 100-200 kills where the regular bow cav struggled to get 60.
I came from Age of Empires 2 (which version: yes) as well as Medieval 2, and I'm so sad that the Cav archers here aren't as great as I've been reliant and demolishing people with. I mean I knew full well not to expect them to _ever_ be like the Mongols' Cav Archers or their Unique unit, the Mangudai. But really I would've thought there was a lot more hit and run than this.
The effectiveness of bow cavalry is limited by the player's skills at micromanagement, so scrubs would usually hate bow cav, while good players like them. Bow cav are excellent at baiting enemy archers and spears and also if supported with a yari samurai or naginata warrior monks can do a better job than bow i fantry at luring out and pinning down enemy cavalry. If you suck at micromanagement you may like bow infantry more.
Bow Cavalry, they would actually be pretty cool, if on Skirmish mode, and while in circley dragon dance of doom, they started to skirmish away about......oooohhhh....100m sooner than they do. Its very annoying that they dont start skirmishing away until the attackers are basically stickign their spears up their horses asses....
What will he make next? TOP 1 KATANA HERO CAVALRY? Jk, can you make a video on the top heroes. I know you said you dislike them but sometimes having them in campaign is fun and different.
Biggest flaw with the Total War 3 engine is that archers are unable to fire in a 360 degree firing archer and they must be lined up like they are using guns. This is why Horse Archers are pointless in all games using the TW 3 game engine. The TW2 game engine handled horse archers much better.
@@antlantis1234 Still dont you think samurai bow cavalry should be allowed to use parthain shot style tactics. It would have allowed bow cavalry actually being slightly better at their intended role of being a hit and run harrassing unit
almost anything from the tekkeda clan for horses is going to do well. though I had when I did get my hands on some of the bow cav I had never seen the swooping crane option be used for them at all let alone advalible how do you get it anyway?
Bonus tip for the Donderbuss Cavalry: If for whatever reason you find yourself defending a castle and donderbuss are among your forces it can actually be quite useful to dismount them and position them on a wall that covers the approach to a gate or above a killzone. They are surprisingly effective at dispatching or routing attacking melee infantry.
I was planning on mentioning that and then completely forgot to add it to the script.
ive done it a hand full of times, the enemies moral completly shatters and the armies disapear, one of the best garrison unites in the game
would the Tokugawa mounted gunners do well if dismounted in a similar fashion?
Joe Scirrotto I dont think so mountedt guners are moslt just mountedt matchlock I havent testedt this but it wil most likley be tru and the have les men so even normole matchlock units would be better
It's funny because the Otomo already have by far the best fort defense unit, portuguese tercos, and then they also get this on top of it.
It’s really sad that bow cavalry is so weak in this game. It’s one of the coolest formations in history and samurai were originally horse archers. Even today mounted archery is still a part of Japan tradition.
Ser biały play rise of samurai...
Play parthia from rome2
Not if you play Takeda ;)
Try coming from Age of Empires 2 and TW Medieval 2. Your heart just _breaks_ at the sight and performance.
as someone that never used the bow calvary its very amuzing seeing them making a full circle
My guess before this video premiers:
1: Donderbuss Cavalry
2: Tokugawa Mounted Gunners
3: Yoritomo's Yabusame Cavalry
4: Bow Cavalry, with a mention of the Takeda
I put the hero over the Bow Cav because while they have less men, cav already have low numbers so it doesn't matter as much. However knowing MrSmartDonkey he might invery 3 and 4, as the hero can only be fielded individually in the Campaign.
Yoritomo will be last because of their availability.
Oooh, you know me so well.
I had that same prediction as I didnt know Yoritomos Yabusame Cav are legendary :D
I missed watching good old total war shogun 2 videos :D
Oh my god, the famous Hugo commented on my video!
Thanks man, hopefully Three Kingdoms can bring back some of that Shogun 2 magic for us :D
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP hahaha indeed! I got the shogun 2 feel from TK, I hope the online mode can keep people interested though
it's Funny that Bow Cavalry have more Accuracy than Bow Samurai
Its kinda unrealistic right
They had to make it better somehow.
@@ElBandito i think the smaller units make up for it ?
They must be of Mongolian descent
@@realThomastheCat Samurai were actually a copied warriors from a tribe north of Japan, the Emishi Horse Archers.
I find it odd that despite being masters of cavalry, the Takeda have no unique gun cav, but the Tokugawa and Otoma do
They have more OP fire Cavalry though, which suit their theme.
I moded that to my game then changed fire cavalrys' spear to long yari spear so they impact hit before getting hit by normal yari.
Also did the same for great guard though noticed that some of the cavalrys' long yari clip on uneven ground and look weird standing still but they sure look cool on the charge.
@@datuputi777 That defeats the purpose of cavalry though. They are Flankers.
Never use Horses in frontal Assault against Pikes (Ashigaru's Yari). The mod you have will just make the game easier.
datuputi777 so made fire cavalry winged hussar then( winged hussars have longer lances than infantry pikes)
Fireblast89 if you don’t pay attention to your Donderbuss cav and there is a fire cav unit well
You can say good bye to the donderbuss and I say that because I’ve done that before
With lists for such limited unit pools, you might as well make a "Top 1 Oda Long Yari Ashigaru Units" list!
Serious suggestion: Since we're clearly out of the realm of "Top 10s" or "Top 5s" search terms, would it make more sense just to say "Top [Type] Units" without the number?
I will put some serious consideration to that suggestion.
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP
Can't wait to see the Top 1 Oda Long Yari Ashigaru list.
I wonder what will be #1, could be anything!
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP
Actual serious suggestion: Top 10 / Bottom 10 Unit Cards.
The one thing about Swooping Crane that I think has the potential of making bow cavalry and its hero version a lot better is that it allows your cavalry to outpace charging infantry while maintaining fire. BUT, it only does so for standard unit size or lower in your game settings. Any higher then standard and bow cavalry especially will have more cavalry in the same size circle formation, leading to them clogging up and slowing down. So you end up in a situation where their effectiveness is dramatically different based on your default unit size.
Interesting, I know CA also says unit scale is only supposed to be balanced up to large.
@@anvos658 That would mean swooping crane having that speed with smaller unit sizes was probably unintentional. But man does it make them a lot more capable
Donderbuss Cavalry is basically equivalent to KV-2
PLAYING OTOMO right now.
1. Donderbuss don´t shoot at 50 range, more like 30 range as seen in 4:55. Their bullets travel like 100 more range and that makes the 50 range stat stupid.
2. 40 hero Yabusame always ranks first with around 300 kills in autoresolve offensive sieges. In defensive sieges it is also good because aura for friendly units and long range.
3. Bow samurai cav are usefull because in offensive siege you can use fire arrows to burn down gates and then run to safety. In defensive battles they can skirmish inside the fort and then chase routing enemies.
For autoresolve I recommend: 1 General, 1 bow cav, 3 samurai archers, 3 Tercos, 7 naginata + 5 katana samurai.
Swooping crane made my day. Never seen it before, it's hilarious
1-donderbuss cavalry
2-Tokugawa mountedgunners
3-bow cavalry
4-Yoritomo's Yabusame cavalry
Tokugawa mounted gunners actually better than any infantry musket because they can shoot from the backline just like infantry archer unit. Use it as replacement not as skirmish cavalry
5:01 hahaha that single guy shooting to route the enemy unit. He was like "seriously, 6 out of 80 are left and u still wanna fight? Fine *pulls trigger*
My Takeda campaigns were much easier once I learned to rely upon bow cav, which, despite being only of average strength, give incredible battlefield control and mobility that light or yari cav cannot always provide.
But. Upon your recommendations previously, my Otomo playthrough featured stupid amounts of dunderbuss cavalry, and holy shit. Just...holy shit. The carnage.
Bow warrior monk...
cavalry?
Oh god, if only they existed!
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP We need the DLC ^^
imagine something like mounted heavy gunners
@@nomi2266 I think the knockback of that weapon would throw them off their horses. :P
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP lol that would be funny to watch, scared horses neighing as ppl die in front and back x'D
In terms of multiplayer,best are Donderbuss cavalry.Mounted Gunners,Bow cavalry and Yoritomo Yabusame Cavalry.I tested all.Donderbusses are usually match winners.
Your list seems correct. Its a shame there's only 4 missile cav in the game, but it is what it is.
Hero units to ca: “am I a joke to you?”
1. Donderbuss Cavalry
2. Mounted Gunners
3. Bow Cavalry
4. Yoritomo's Yabusame Cavalry
I think I've been watching you long enough to know your preferences? x3
I'm honestly with you on Bow Cavalry, not having a 360 firing arc is a huge negative in my book. In Attila I won't even consider recruiting a horse archer unit that doesn't have Parthian Shot, with the only exceptions being the Sassanid's Savaran Crossbows and Semitic Pagan Himyar's Zodiac Archers, who are both good enough to make up for it. Although sadly the Zodiacs suffer the same problem as Gunpowder units in Shogun, late game building requirements.
I find if you commit to using bow cav as the major unit in a mounted army with Yari behind them in reserve you can have an army that takes very low losses.
It could be my imagination but when I build entirety mounted armies it seems like the neighbouring AI recruits stacksof Yari Samurai which are perfect forthw bow cav
I know this video is old but I like to point out in Avatar multiplayer the Dunderbus are a huge pain to deal with. You can only have one but your opponent pretty much has to place significant attention on them because the slightest opening you leave can lead to frustration and defeat.
Yoritomo are so OP, they are the ultimate skirmishers. They basically work as a siege unit in battles, you'll not have to attack in any battle just put them and pull the enemy towards you
Donderbuss Calvary to me are how Hero units should’ve been or at least half, either give them a full unit size, the ability to hire as many as you want, or both.
You forgot the other strength of the mounted gunners that they can fire over the infantry gunner/melee line.
lol i really love to use bow cavalry. Put them in the pointblank range behind the enemy's army. It's also good for countering enemy's bow ashigaru. If they aproaching you and got separated from the spear unit you can just use bow cavalry to charge the bow unit. But i don't recommend to make them stay in the mele fight for too long even if they're against bow ashigaru.
Why pointblank? Is the damage different when up close?
I hear everyone saying the name of the unit wrong. It is Portuguese Terços, which is read /tersosh/. Problem is that the game might not support the ç, but the letter is read like an 's'
I actually in my experience find the Yoritomo Bow Cav better than regular Bow Cav, in my Hojo campaign they regularly got 100-200 kills where the regular bow cav struggled to get 60.
Here are my guesses:
#1: Dunderbuss Cavalry(Obv.)
#2: Hero Bow Cav
#3: Bow Cav
#4: Mounted Gunners
Youch! I was way off. xD
At least you spiced up the predictions a bit, most people guessed mostly the same thing.
Love this types of videos:)
Use Guard mode so every men in unit will not try to engage in melee
Predicting Donderbuss, Mounted Guns, Giant Power Gap, Bow Cavalry, Power Gap Hero.
I came from Age of Empires 2 (which version: yes) as well as Medieval 2, and I'm so sad that the Cav archers here aren't as great as I've been reliant and demolishing people with.
I mean I knew full well not to expect them to _ever_ be like the Mongols' Cav Archers or their Unique unit, the Mangudai. But really I would've thought there was a lot more hit and run than this.
The freezing of ranged units and the absurdly long time it takes to fire in this game is so frustrating.
Can you make a video about how to beat/kill mounted gunners, infantry pls am having trouble beat them in multiplayer
The effectiveness of bow cavalry is limited by the player's skills at micromanagement, so scrubs would usually hate bow cav, while good players like them. Bow cav are excellent at baiting enemy archers and spears and also if supported with a yari samurai or naginata warrior monks can do a better job than bow i fantry at luring out and pinning down enemy cavalry. If you suck at micromanagement you may like bow infantry more.
How did they mess up horse archers? They had them down pat in Med2
Mounted Bow Yari Ashigaru.
I really love the archer fire in this game, it doesn't have that shitty track that they are using now
You know you can just turn that off right? 🤷♂️
pony micro ftw
Oh that 360 degree "circle"!
Why the cavalry archers in Shogun 2 and Rise of the Samurai haven't Parthian shot?
Bow Cavalry, they would actually be pretty cool, if on Skirmish mode, and while in circley dragon dance of doom, they started to skirmish away about......oooohhhh....100m sooner than they do. Its very annoying that they dont start skirmishing away until the attackers are basically stickign their spears up their horses asses....
What will he make next? TOP 1 KATANA HERO CAVALRY?
Jk, can you make a video on the top heroes. I know you said you dislike them but sometimes having them in campaign is fun and different.
I will do once I’ve covered all these categories, part of the reason I’m doimg these is so I get more acquainted with the hero units.
Donderbuss Cav only challenge any time in the future? :D
1 Donderbuss Cavalry
2 Mounted Gunners
3 Bow Cavalry Hero
4 Bow Cavalry
Biggest flaw with the Total War 3 engine is that archers are unable to fire in a 360 degree firing archer and they must be lined up like they are using guns. This is why Horse Archers are pointless in all games using the TW 3 game engine. The TW2 game engine handled horse archers much better.
I think that's called not knowing the parthian shot
@@antlantis1234 Still dont you think samurai bow cavalry should be allowed to use parthain shot style tactics. It would have allowed bow cavalry actually being slightly better at their intended role of being a hit and run harrassing unit
All hero units ranked
best to worst faction bonuses?
Yoritomo's is more effective with swooping crane than bow cav
Please do some rise of the samurai Top lists!
We do not talk about that dlc
Donderbuss cav are micro intensive
almost anything from the tekkeda clan for horses is going to do well.
though I had when I did get my hands on some of the bow cav I had never seen the swooping crane option be used for them at all let alone advalible how do you get it anyway?
impossible mode: fire projecting mangles only
What about Top Banzai!!! Units
we all know n°1 , its Yari Samurai
Destroyed a 2000 man army with 5 bow cav. + general. Bow cav. are great against A.I. rspecially when attacking.
Do more fots
Top artillery units
Only 1 in the Basic game... thats sad.
missile units? why no nukes?
Yes
Iam not first but close enough
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666 views. Accident? I don't think so!