I have lived with the Hornet 919 since 2015 and can attest to its fun-factor and reliability. First owner put 7012 miles on it, and I’ve added another 112.500 !! -for a total of 119.562 miles. 🤘😁
I got a 919 on 01.06 this year and its such a joyride. Im doing the bafflectomy following a 2012 thread on a forum, and its just makes it sound like a proper 900cc and not a sewing machine.
"More feeling", "has soul", "knows what it wants to be", "feels more pulled together", "feels like the engineers were paid more", "genuine", "feels hollow", "missing the gusto", "missing the integrity aspect", "build quality"... Guys, I'm glad that my horse won the race, but I still have no freaking clue how specifically the Hornet is better than the Kawasaki😕
@@juniorkang right? She's just saying words. Also, when talking about power delivery, they failed to mention the hornet has a full exhaust and tune, compared to the completely stock Z900RS. If you add comparable modifications to the Z900RS the only category the hornet would win is nostalgia. I like both bikes but come on.
@@myronmosley2167 let me break it down for you. In a way we All will understand. The hornet is the same as the 900rs buuuut…. You can get a good hornet for WAY CHEAPER. while still being reliable. There. :) but I think both are good. Z900rs is just more modern so obviously superior in that aspect.
The z900rs has a restrictive airbox. Remove the divider inside it and flash the ECU. It will also run very lean at idle and low rpms, thats a good part of why it feels jerky at low speeds when you go on and off the throttle.
Long time lurker, first time poster. This channel finally inspired me to do the MSF and get a bike. Found a private seller with a beautiful 919, and at 33, the only thing I can say is I wish I would have done this years ago! Thank you for all the content and information.
If theyre gonna compare new to old, they should get an old bike first. Carbonated bikes definitely have more character. Ever ridden an 8sec gs1100? Scares my zx14r thats for sure
Absolutely love my 919. I bought a used one in 2014 (7yrs old) with only 750 original miles. I got lucky with this one. It has been a very reliable bike.
If you knew how to ride that 919 ie. use it's powerband you would notice that 109bhp and 67 ib torque does translate to the road. Everytime I see you guys riding this bike you ride it like a damn cruiser.
I had a dream of buying a Hornet since I started riding. In 2017 on a motorcycle expo in Cologne Germany I sat on a Z900. It made me think. Although the bike looked cool it felt… cheap somehow. One year later I bought a 600 Hornet and I’m so happy about my choice.
The Hornet is an amazing bit of kit, especially for the money. I'm on my third, and coming up to 120,000 Hornet miles. Solid build quality and soOoOooooo easy to service. Ultimate universal do-it-all motorcycle.
I like the 919 Hornet so much I picked up an 06 recently, waiting to get its turn with the mechanic. But I still think of my 02 Nighthawk cb750 as my do it all bike. The Hornet falls into my Sporty Bike category, although it's 2nd most do it all of my other Sporty Bikes.
Let me break it down for you ...... The hornet makes power like a sport bike - smooth down low with an increasing top end rush to redline. Kawasaki specifically engineered the RS for low and mid range torque. Add in the MUCH MORE RESTRICTIVE emissions and the engine losses that top end rush and feels flat by comparison. Kawasaki also gave the bike a low first gear and a very tall 6th - when doing roll-on tests it is only fair to use 5th. Send the ECU to Moore Mafia. Keep the stock exhaust if you like quiet bikes (like I do), or make it as loud as you want. Michelin Road 6 tires will unlock the chassis potential. The heart wants what the heart wants, but with these mods I think you will agree its a pretty damn good package. P.S. - plastic parts on modern bikes are here to stay. Plastic is cheaper than aluminum, but it is also lighter and more than strong enough to do the job the engineers want it to do. Keep up the good work.
dude, just buy a better bike instead of modding everything. Second after you spend 20k you spend next 10 just to make it feel good? its pointless. (ps im 919 owner and keeping is as stock as possible but in perfect shape XD)
@@UlvarinLind The flash costs less that $400 and the airbox mods you do yourself. Almost any Kawi will require at least that. Its a peculiarity of the latest models I find... If you want a KN filter, another like 70 bucks? Hell even if you splurged and got an Akro full exhaust that's $1,400. The result is a 121hp dyno, flawless throttle, fantastic power delivery, and erections that last longer than 4 hrs.
Kawasaki is serious about their emissions lol. I just got the 2022 RS and rid of a 2019 Vaquero. That Vaq was like riding a nuclear furnace in the summer time...flash fixed it.
Any idea what they meant when they said the Z900RS has a lot more plastic? The CB900F has a plastic cowl, side covers, fender, and mud guards, and instrument cluster. The Z900RS appears to have a plastic cowl, side covers, fender, and mud guards, and instrument cluster. Where is it hiding its extra plastic? Also, in what other ways does the CB900F have superior build quality? (Not rhetorical questions - I'm a Hornet fanboy and haven't seen a Z900RS in the flesh.)
I love the Z900RS. I think its the best looking retro bike made today. The wheels, the roundness of the tank, the thinness of the tail, the mirrors, the gauges, etc... I do wish the headlight looked a little more retro. You can tell by looking at it that its a new age high intensity headlight.
Hey you two, this is one of the best videos on this channel. I have been wanting both of these for a while now. I'm 72 now, sex, drugs and rock and roll are no longer on my menu. It's been 7 years since my back surgeries, and a fairly light analog gauged roadster seems perfect as my last bike.
"fun" fact: here in Brazil, the Hornet was used for many years as a getaway bike for thieves, they used those to catch up with more powerful bikes in a city environment, and also to rob people on the streets of São Paulo. These days, thieves use the BMW 800 or a Triumph speed bike (can't remember the model). Great bike that Hornet, nevertheless!
Putting a header and ecu flash will make the bike better, you owe it to yourself to try it. Plus I think the successor to the hornet would be the cb1000r wouldn’t it?
@@rookpl7877 yeah agreed. I love my Zed, euro compliance really restricts bikes now, getting that flashed to remove the restrictions and richening up the mixture really helps.
@@rookpl7877 Exactly. Also, I don't know what they're on about with the comment about build quality. The fit and finish of the z900RS is miles better than the 919. The Hornet is by no means an ugly bike, but it does kind of look like a sportbike that was dropped and given a squid-streetfighter makeover.
I'm confused. Is the Kaw 900 trying to be the successor to the Hornet or to the Kaw 900 from the 1970's? Spite contends that it's not a good successor to the Hornet but I think that misses the point. It's supposed to remind you of the 900 from the 70s. Am I right or am I right.
I don't think the z900rs is specifically trying to be a successor to the Hornet 900, but Spite's question makes sense for someone like me who loves the Hornet but may eventually like to upgrade to something newer to benefit from modern tech like ABS and inverted forks. Ultimately, the z900rs is the closest thing to the Hornet on the current market (though the cb1000r is probably a more accurate modernization of the original *idea* of the Hornet).
Z900RS with a ecu tune and a Brock full exhaust completely changes the bike. The hornet has been personalized and really if you remove the emissions crap on the Z900RS you’re gonna feel way better about it
The engine is derived from the ZX9R, they did pretty mich all Z inlines 4 engine with it. (750 800 900 and 1000). Kawasaki is using this block for a while now. Its not coming from the Z750 as he claims. Its a detuned Z1000 engine.
Please compare the rs to a standard Z900!... I always felt the same way about the rs. It's a modern bike, dressed up as an oldie. Before you give the rs away, rent or borrow a z900 non rs and compare those 2, throw in an mt09 as well.
Because I rode the z1-900 back in the 1970's and 80's I was so happy to see it reintroduced and made an offer on the new Kawasaki when I saw it at the dealer but they turned me down. I ended up buying a different animal instead (Can-am spyder F3) and I am glad I did since I already have the Honda 919. Now I have three bikes, the third being a Harley Road King. I ride the Harley the most around town. The Honda up in the mountains ( Angel Crest & Big Bear) close to my home and the Spyder on long trips for comfort.
The ONLY thing "derived" from a super bike on the 919, Original FZ1 and FZ6 are the engines, the chassis and every thing else are thier own thing. Always have been. and the single back bone frame of the 919 was derided as old school not ridged back in its day. Back in the day I looked at all of these I bought a Kawasaki ZRX 1200R, with a ZX10(original) "derived" engine.
Honestly, I like the Z900 look better. The Hornet has this subframe/tail that looks like it's dad was a sportbike, but he went out for a lottery ticket and never came back to influence his raising. The Kawi tail has the 80s UJM look more so, and I think it works better.
Hornet old bike 🤣😅 it's still New to me 🤣. Wish you guys can ride two strokes those motorcycles from the 70s-80s are something else!! Kawasaki kh500 triple two stroke, Suzuki V4 gammer two stroke. Yamaha RD350YPVS two stroke. Really would love to see you guys trying out those motorcycles.
I had a ‘74 Kawasaki 250 triple two stoke which was pretty rear compared to the 500 and 750. It rode tough and got terrible gas mileage. But it was fast for a 250. Got a ‘72 Honda 500 four which was a lot nicer.
You guys have a connection at Brock's. See if they can hook you up with a Stock To Brock's package. Otherwise, it's an airbox mod, intake funnels, akra header and a reflash. Also, the GPR300s are pretty unspectacular. They take a long time to warm up and don't ever really inspire piles of confidence. If you really go had, get some Z900 cams
It's funny how you bang on about how much better new bikes are than older ones, and of course technically you are correct. Yet when you do a new vs older bike comparison the older bike usually wins. It's because of character. A bike that has character and is fun to ride is always better than the 'spec sheet king'
I reeeeeallly want to see them ride a CB1100 and compare it to a rebel 1100 now. It's the last air cooled 4-cylinder in the USDM if memory serves correct. It makes poor horsepower, but for cruising, it has Presence with a capital P. The 4 chromed exhaust pipes, my DLX model has the twin exhaust pipes, and the candy apple red paint make it a great standard bike for cruising. It weighs over 500lbs, but man does it roll smooth. WOuld be cool to throw the Z900RS, the CB1100, a triumph bonneville, and maybe the XSR900 and see what the differences are.
*laughs in bandit 1200* Seriously, in stock form the B12 is a lovely bike. My impression before I started modifying it was that it was a happy puppy dog of a bike that would just give you as much power as you asked for, then you look down and you're doing 85 mph. After swapping in a set of katana 1100 cams, Yoshimura mid pipe and can rejetting and tuning the carbs and K&N dual carb oval filters I was left with an absolute stump puller of a motor. In 1st gear you couldn't give more than half throttle past 7k without the thing standing straight up.
Im gonna go ahead and be that rider that says "they dont make them like they used to". seriously, the 90s and the 20s were the best looking bikes ever. the 'futuristic styling" of modern bikes looks forced, and not good or timeless at all
I had a Honda 919 and loved it. Keep in mind this wasn't a well cared for bike. The guy I bought it from had dumped it hard it had dents and scratches and rattling bits. I did my best to put it back to good but it was always a little flawed. However, given all that, it was just a fantastic bike. I have no idea what this means, but like they've said, "it has soul". I've owned similar bikes I've had a couple Suzuki 1200 Bandits, a Kawasaki Z1000 and a Yamaha FZ. All of them great bikes, but just never felt like I connected with them. The Hornet was just as happy rolling along a country backroad at 55 mph as it was bombing around some a twisty stretch of asphalt. The only other bike that feels like this to me is the SV650. I would love to find a low mileage, well cared for Hornet.
As a 2nd time returns rider after 15 years, I been looking at modern motorcycle with fuel injection. Been looking at newer Sporters a 2013 CB1100 which look similar to the KZ 900 theme bike. But a 65 I need a bike less than 600lbs and most likely 1200 cc or less. My largest bike I ever has was a 1999 Honda VT1100T aka Honda Ace Tourer. I was well balanced and handle good for a cruiser. Anyway still researching and trying out bikes that fit me before test ride them.
Had a 919 in '05. It was one of the greatest bikes ever. I never understood why they weren't more popular. When people describe the MT-09, it reminds me exactly of my old 919 (I know the yamaha is faster with a better engine sound)
Love my Kawi 900 RS 2018. Took it all the way from Michigan to the Tail of the dragon and blue ridge parkway. Have taken it also around the 3 big lakes. Rides like a dream ! I will keep to and pass it down to one of my kids.
My first 2 bikes were old turds, 75 Honda cb360 and then an 80 Honda cb900! Then got my first"new" bike a 13 Honda cb1100! Go anywhere do anything original! Trail rides, cruises, leaning in corners fast, everything I want!
Z900RS - Replace the brake pads with Brembo pads, get an ECU flash and change out the suspension for Nitron stuff and it’s absolutely fantastic. Exhaust swap is just noise but Brembo brake feel is worth another $1000 - this costs a lot but gets you to the sort of price a new Hornet would cost today…
Both of these are great! Hornet is sexy but the smell and difficulty of getting one would be the No go’s for me. Either though it looks amazing and smooth. I prefer the LEDs also.
@@jetstream454 Some riders complained that the twin up-high exhausts made their clothes smell. I never noticed it myself, but I did sometimes hear from others that I smelled of petrol. I just figured oh well, there are much worst odors a person could emit.
Please, try to explain the differences more objectively. Stop talking about feelings, and clarify what differences cause those different feelings. The only objective differences described were that the Kawi seemed restricted by emissions systems (which is easily changed, and notable that the hornet they compare it to has an aftermarket/different exhaust on it), the tires (which don't matter much as they'd be replaced fairly soon if the bike is ridden), and that it has more plastic.
Hornet 919 are supposed to be approx 110 hp at the engine which is no big deal really but they are for some reason bloody fast. I think the factory quarter mile is pretty much 11 seconds flat and 0-60 (100 kph here in Oz) in just above 3 seconds. That's faster than it really should be, is it the fact that the engine is pretty much a super sport engine with a different cam and tune?
The Hornet and Z900 aren't quite comparable. The Kwak is a retro designed to look like the original Z900 including the paint colours but with up-to-date equipment wheras the Hornet was designed to be in the streetfighter ilk of a race bike with no fairing and wide bars. Unfortunately the Hornet was up against the Speed Triple 955i which was more powerful, faster and sold by the bucket load. In the last two years of UK Hornet imports only 256 were sold. The Hornet makes 100 bhp and 63 ft-lb at the wheel but is very snatchy when off-on the throttle in slow traffic as it's an engine designed for carbs with fuel injection slapped on. This can be solved with a Power Commander which will give 104 bhp and 66 ft-lb but with a far smoother pick up power and the flat spot is eliminated. On the practical side it was possible to get a centrestand for the Hornet and luggage was also available after-market, you can't get a centre stand for most modern bikes including the Kwak so all rear end maintenance is made far more difficult. It was also made in the last few years of motorcycles being made well rather than to a price as they are now. It also lacks the million-and-one electronic frippery items that will fail and be expensive to replace. If you are a half-decent rider the traction control, cornering traction control, multi-mode power and cruise control can be found in a single control-the throttle. The Hornet is a larger, heavier and more powerful CB500 with a similar ease of riding at any speed. Tank range is 150-180 miles before the light comes on and it is comfortable enough to do 1000+ miles in a day. Servicing is a doddle [there isn't a Haynes, if you are lucky you may find a Honda manual] but I change the oil at 4000 rather than 8000 miles as it looks a bit tired then. When the Bridgestone BT56 tyres were discontinued the replacement advised was the BT016, these are awful in the cold and wet and the rear will spin up too easily, instead go for the BT023s. The front wheel bearings on mine failed at 16 000 miles [just out of warranty] but the replacements are still going strong. The battery is a pig to remove and replace as the wires are just too short and the rear disc was replaced at 90 000 miles-I put this down to too many slow riding demonstrations and tuition sessions-lock to lock manoevering is simple on the Hornet. The fronts will need replacing soon as well. The lower rear shock bearings failed at 95 000 miles and were replaced-with a centre stand this job is far easier than without. Compared to the Speed Triple the Hornet is tamer and less grin-inducing. It is however less likely to tempt you into the sort of riding that will get you banned or hospitalised. The engine will sound a bit rattly when it gets above 40 000 miles or so but this seems to be normal, mine clocked up 98 000 miles today [15th Aug 2022] and I have owned it from new. If you like in the UK do no, under any circumstances buy one of these second-hand. They are rare and as I'm looking for one I don't want any competition! In all seriousness these are great bikes, just with the usual Honda 'get on and do it without all the fuss' attitude.
Hey, I just found your channel with this video! I shall hit the like and sub button! I don't yet know if you take suggestions or review other bikes however I will recommend one for you to ride. To clarify I have been ridding since 2012 and have owned over 6 bikes. of them all one stood out enough to mention here. Find yourself a 1980-1982 Honda cb900 Custom. I have the '80. For starters it's got a transfer case effectively making it a 10 speed with a high low selector. Some will say it's a 6 speed because no one would really cycle through all H - L 1-5 gears, and I won't disagree. It shares engine parts with a F class sport bike engine, yet its kind of a cross between a cruiser and sport bike. Anyhow nice demonstration /comparison.
When you said old i thought u were gonna do a cb900. Hornet aint old. Ive never ridden a honda where my first thought was 'wow it has character' Boring? Anodyne? Some metal thrown together? Yes. Never been on a fireblade mind. My Zed900 is my first Kawasaki. I love it.
Agree that more Whitney is a good thing. She adds an enjoyable vibe to your already great vids. I am fortunate to own several bikes and if I had to sell them, my 919 would be the last to go. It is the embodiment of everything you need and nothing more. Also the best canyon bike (I am in CO) I have ever had.
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it seems everyone is telling the same... flash the ECU. Even comparing this to the Z900 (non RS) should reveal the difference a power tweak can make.
There's something about the old bikes that they just can't duplicate today (I'm sure emissions regulations have a lot to do with that). The old ones looked a lot better too. Although I haven't owned it in a lot of years I'd take my '83 CB1100F or my old friend Ed's CBX 1050 over any brand new bike out there.
@@alancrane4693 yeah my dad used to have a 500 Suzuki Titan and used to say it was the best bike he ever had. I rode a friends Kawasaki 500 triple back around 1973 and that was interesting.
I rode a 600 Bandit many years ago and it was boring as hell. Apparently the Hornet was it's competitor which I've never ridden but this channel raves about them for reasons I'm not aware of yet.
Bandit definitely was the bike to street fighter into. Hornet definitely was zippy but compared to the v4 nc32 400 which was a blast to ride and that V4 sounding engine was for me best 4 stroke Japanese motorcycle to buy off the shelf.
You can't shut me up about my Z900 RS!! Seriously, I had a different experience with my stock 2022. Could be that I don't ride and review for a living, but I feel like you're a little harsh with the performance. I will admit that it's not a sport bike or the most muscular naked, but I was pleasantly surprised out of the box, and I sold a V max 6 years ago. I will say that Kawi absolutely strangles their bikes with emissions (look at that tumor of a cat under it). They leave it to us to do the tune, which really transforms it. And by the way, looks wise it's not even close. The RSs are distinctive, fantastic looking bikes. Especially the Cafe and the RS SE.
Wish I had never sold my 2003 Graphite 919. I agree with Whitney about the Uranium 'lime' green color and cowl. If I had known that color was coming out I would have waited for 2004 to buy a 'Green Hornet'
I’ve never bought in to the belief that inline 4s lack “character”. They have their own thrilling edge. I’m completely on board with the CB900 Hornet love. One of the most enjoyable bikes I’ve owned. Did the US get the CBF1000? I had one after the Hornet. Not as appealing to the eye but a fantastically comfortable & versatile sports tourer.
This comparison is completely irrelevant, is a shining example of lazy content wrapped around trying to sell sunglasses. To steal your own analogy you are trying to compare coke with coke original. Any stock new bike that has been choked to comply with modern emission standards will feel lacking compared to 10+ year old stock bike, let alone one that has thousands of dollars of mods. There is a new Hornet on the horizon, maybe you should have waited for that then compare that with the old one, better still compare it stock with the stock z900rs. Better still have people that aren’t self confessed Hornet simps/ buyer of bikes on looks alone to properly review rather than just give their limited opinion. Please do a better job or you will lose viewers if you keep pedalling this mush.
Great review guys love the look of the kawasaki real head Turner own a Honda hornet for 4 years now and love it can't seem to part with it only bought it cause it was cheap of wife uncle and like you say its a great all rounder never let me down and great build quality only paid 1250 UK pounds and low milage
I'm biased and totally agree with this review. That's why I got two (2) absolutely identical CB900F-5s. However, they do have slightly different personalities. The Honda has a far superior build quality and I think many aftermarket parts are still available (except the stainless "Y" link pipe). PCV now, as opposed to the older PCIII. PS. I'm cringing at the end as I watch a huge man leaning on that bike as it sways on that side stand. Not what that stand was designed for.
i got a 2004 hornet and i will never sell her !!!! i love mine if you guys feel like give'n your's to me i would be happy help take i off your hands just a fun bike.....
Pretty much everything on the z900 will be better than on the Hornet. I don't go for the authenticity thing at all. Put a pipe on the z and ask anyone which they prefer. ABS is totally essential on bikes. Anyone who says not is an ass. TC is great and, as I ride in all weathers in the UK, is also essential and has stopped slides before I could even register them. Plastic isn't all bad as a material. Preferable to bling carbon fibre and much cheaper to replace. The Kawa will be as reliable as the Honda too.
You are comparing a Kawasaki with a Honda and mentioning built quality. It would be interesting to see you compare the Hornet with a new Honda - and talk about the difference in built quality.
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I have lived with the Hornet 919 since 2015 and can attest to its fun-factor and reliability.
First owner put 7012 miles on it, and I’ve added another 112.500 !! -for a total of 119.562 miles. 🤘😁
Ever had the valves shimmed? Surely at least once...
I got a 919 on 01.06 this year and its such a joyride. Im doing the bafflectomy following a 2012 thread on a forum, and its just makes it sound like a proper 900cc and not a sewing machine.
I just rolled over 83k miles on my 919! Its been an absolutely bulletproof bike!
Well done!
"More feeling", "has soul", "knows what it wants to be", "feels more pulled together", "feels like the engineers were paid more", "genuine", "feels hollow", "missing the gusto", "missing the integrity aspect", "build quality"... Guys, I'm glad that my horse won the race, but I still have no freaking clue how specifically the Hornet is better than the Kawasaki😕
they might as well have said "It's a jeep thing, you wouldn't understand"
What does missing integrity even mean…
@@juniorkang right? She's just saying words. Also, when talking about power delivery, they failed to mention the hornet has a full exhaust and tune, compared to the completely stock Z900RS. If you add comparable modifications to the Z900RS the only category the hornet would win is nostalgia. I like both bikes but come on.
It's prettier
@@myronmosley2167 let me break it down for you. In a way we All will understand. The hornet is the same as the 900rs buuuut…. You can get a good hornet for WAY CHEAPER. while still being reliable. There. :) but I think both are good. Z900rs is just more modern so obviously superior in that aspect.
I crossed the country on my old 919 twice. And used it as a commuter in L.A. for 11 years. Just the best. Miss my old Red.
The z900rs has a restrictive airbox. Remove the divider inside it and flash the ECU. It will also run very lean at idle and low rpms, thats a good part of why it feels jerky at low speeds when you go on and off the throttle.
I'm so confused why you didn't compare the Honda 919 with a Honda CB1000r, which is the literal torch barer for Honda 919.
Agreed, waiting on someone to do one
because the CBthou has 145hp its a street fighter, different class of motorcycle. Perhaps what they should've compared it to is the new Hornet 750.
Long time lurker, first time poster. This channel finally inspired me to do the MSF and get a bike. Found a private seller with a beautiful 919, and at 33, the only thing I can say is I wish I would have done this years ago! Thank you for all the content and information.
You can make up that time enjoy !
This channel really needs to try a regular z900 flashed w an exhaust. They're monsters
That's the bike we wanted them to ride yet they got the retro version instead 😑
If theyre gonna compare new to old, they should get an old bike first. Carbonated bikes definitely have more character. Ever ridden an 8sec gs1100? Scares my zx14r thats for sure
Oh shut up
Absolutely love my 919. I bought a used one in 2014 (7yrs old) with only 750 original miles. I got lucky with this one. It has been a very reliable bike.
If you knew how to ride that 919 ie. use it's powerband you would notice that 109bhp and 67 ib torque does translate to the road. Everytime I see you guys riding this bike you ride it like a damn cruiser.
I had a dream of buying a Hornet since I started riding. In 2017 on a motorcycle expo in Cologne Germany I sat on a Z900. It made me think. Although the bike looked cool it felt… cheap somehow. One year later I bought a 600 Hornet and I’m so happy about my choice.
>spite's deep long relationship with the hornet
>literally one riding season.
“I like the girth” literally what she said 🤣
It also made her want to marry it.
The Hornet is an amazing bit of kit, especially for the money.
I'm on my third, and coming up to 120,000 Hornet miles.
Solid build quality and soOoOooooo easy to service.
Ultimate universal do-it-all motorcycle.
My 2002 919 has been very reliable and fun as hell 🤘
I like the 919 Hornet so much I picked up an 06 recently, waiting to get its turn with the mechanic. But I still think of my 02 Nighthawk cb750 as my do it all bike. The Hornet falls into my Sporty Bike category, although it's 2nd most do it all of my other Sporty Bikes.
my 9er has 43k miles on it currently.
Any problem with exhaust smell?>
Let me break it down for you ...... The hornet makes power like a sport bike - smooth down low with an increasing top end rush to redline. Kawasaki specifically engineered the RS for low and mid range torque. Add in the MUCH MORE RESTRICTIVE emissions and the engine losses that top end rush and feels flat by comparison. Kawasaki also gave the bike a low first gear and a very tall 6th - when doing roll-on tests it is only fair to use 5th. Send the ECU to Moore Mafia. Keep the stock exhaust if you like quiet bikes (like I do), or make it as loud as you want. Michelin Road 6 tires will unlock the chassis potential. The heart wants what the heart wants, but with these mods I think you will agree its a pretty damn good package. P.S. - plastic parts on modern bikes are here to stay. Plastic is cheaper than aluminum, but it is also lighter and more than strong enough to do the job the engineers want it to do. Keep up the good work.
dude, just buy a better bike instead of modding everything.
Second after you spend 20k you spend next 10 just to make it feel good?
its pointless.
(ps im 919 owner and keeping is as stock as possible but in perfect shape
XD)
@@UlvarinLind the mods he's talking about isn't even gonna cost a grand. so.....
@@UlvarinLind The flash costs less that $400 and the airbox mods you do yourself. Almost any Kawi will require at least that. Its a peculiarity of the latest models I find... If you want a KN filter, another like 70 bucks? Hell even if you splurged and got an Akro full exhaust that's $1,400. The result is a 121hp dyno, flawless throttle, fantastic power delivery, and erections that last longer than 4 hrs.
Kawasaki is serious about their emissions lol. I just got the 2022 RS and rid of a 2019 Vaquero. That Vaq was like riding a nuclear furnace in the summer time...flash fixed it.
Any idea what they meant when they said the Z900RS has a lot more plastic? The CB900F has a plastic cowl, side covers, fender, and mud guards, and instrument cluster. The Z900RS appears to have a plastic cowl, side covers, fender, and mud guards, and instrument cluster. Where is it hiding its extra plastic? Also, in what other ways does the CB900F have superior build quality? (Not rhetorical questions - I'm a Hornet fanboy and haven't seen a Z900RS in the flesh.)
Theirs a vibe many old bikes have that just don't exist now. Like my 79 naked goldwing, nothing looks like it now
I love the Z900RS. I think its the best looking retro bike made today. The wheels, the roundness of the tank, the thinness of the tail, the mirrors, the gauges, etc...
I do wish the headlight looked a little more retro. You can tell by looking at it that its a new age high intensity headlight.
Hey you two, this is one of the best videos on this channel.
I have been wanting both of these for a while now. I'm 72 now, sex, drugs and rock and roll are no longer on my menu. It's been 7 years since my back surgeries, and a fairly light analog gauged roadster seems perfect as my last bike.
"fun" fact: here in Brazil, the Hornet was used for many years as a getaway bike for thieves, they used those to catch up with more powerful bikes in a city environment, and also to rob people on the streets of São Paulo. These days, thieves use the BMW 800 or a Triumph speed bike (can't remember the model). Great bike that Hornet, nevertheless!
Wow that high praise indeed!.😊
Love my Z900RS. Just got done with my second track day on it and it does the job! New headers and a flash do wonders to liven it up.
Putting a header and ecu flash will make the bike better, you owe it to yourself to try it. Plus I think the successor to the hornet would be the cb1000r wouldn’t it?
C'mon it's already better in every single way than the old hornet. All the 'feel' the are moaning about is in their heads.
@@rookpl7877 yeah agreed. I love my Zed, euro compliance really restricts bikes now, getting that flashed to remove the restrictions and richening up the mixture really helps.
@@rookpl7877 Exactly. Also, I don't know what they're on about with the comment about build quality. The fit and finish of the z900RS is miles better than the 919. The Hornet is by no means an ugly bike, but it does kind of look like a sportbike that was dropped and given a squid-streetfighter makeover.
I'm confused. Is the Kaw 900 trying to be the successor to the Hornet or to the Kaw 900 from the 1970's? Spite contends that it's not a good successor to the Hornet but I think that misses the point. It's supposed to remind you of the 900 from the 70s. Am I right or am I right.
My thought exactly
I don't think the z900rs is specifically trying to be a successor to the Hornet 900, but Spite's question makes sense for someone like me who loves the Hornet but may eventually like to upgrade to something newer to benefit from modern tech like ABS and inverted forks. Ultimately, the z900rs is the closest thing to the Hornet on the current market (though the cb1000r is probably a more accurate modernization of the original *idea* of the Hornet).
Z900RS with a ecu tune and a Brock full exhaust completely changes the bike. The hornet has been personalized and really if you remove the emissions crap on the Z900RS you’re gonna feel way better about it
100%.
The engine is derived from the ZX9R, they did pretty mich all Z inlines 4 engine with it. (750 800 900 and 1000). Kawasaki is using this block for a while now. Its not coming from the Z750 as he claims. Its a detuned Z1000 engine.
Please compare the rs to a standard Z900!... I always felt the same way about the rs. It's a modern bike, dressed up as an oldie. Before you give the rs away, rent or borrow a z900 non rs and compare those 2, throw in an mt09 as well.
I have a 2003 Honda 919 with a yoshimura exhaust. I have had it for 6 years and still love it.
I'm picking up an 06 919 in two days and this video is making me even more stoked to pick it up.
I love my 07 hornet!!!! amazing bike! you guys should change out the plastic over the front tire to red as well!
Because I rode the z1-900 back in the 1970's and 80's I was so happy to see it reintroduced and made an offer on the new Kawasaki when I saw it at the dealer but they turned me down. I ended up buying a different animal instead (Can-am spyder F3) and I am glad I did since I already have the Honda 919. Now I have three bikes, the third being a Harley Road King. I ride the Harley the most around town. The Honda up in the mountains ( Angel Crest & Big Bear) close to my home and the Spyder on long trips for comfort.
The ONLY thing "derived" from a super bike on the 919, Original FZ1 and FZ6 are the engines, the chassis and every thing else are thier own thing. Always have been. and the single back bone frame of the 919 was derided as old school not ridged back in its day. Back in the day I looked at all of these I bought a Kawasaki ZRX 1200R, with a ZX10(original) "derived" engine.
Glad they are bring Whitney more into the fold
Honestly, I like the Z900 look better. The Hornet has this subframe/tail that looks like it's dad was a sportbike, but he went out for a lottery ticket and never came back to influence his raising. The Kawi tail has the 80s UJM look more so, and I think it works better.
Small correction, the Z900 is in actual fact the modern incarnation of the Z900.
Hornet old bike 🤣😅 it's still New to me 🤣. Wish you guys can ride two strokes those motorcycles from the 70s-80s are something else!! Kawasaki kh500 triple two stroke, Suzuki V4 gammer two stroke. Yamaha RD350YPVS two stroke. Really would love to see you guys trying out those motorcycles.
I had a ‘74 Kawasaki 250 triple two stoke which was pretty rear compared to the 500 and 750. It rode tough and got terrible gas mileage. But it was fast for a 250. Got a ‘72 Honda 500 four which was a lot nicer.
This channel is so good, they got me watching videos about bikes I have no interest in lol
You guys have a connection at Brock's. See if they can hook you up with a Stock To Brock's package. Otherwise, it's an airbox mod, intake funnels, akra header and a reflash. Also, the GPR300s are pretty unspectacular. They take a long time to warm up and don't ever really inspire piles of confidence.
If you really go had, get some Z900 cams
It's funny how you bang on about how much better new bikes are than older ones, and of course technically you are correct. Yet when you do a new vs older bike comparison the older bike usually wins. It's because of character. A bike that has character and is fun to ride is always better than the 'spec sheet king'
I have the same hornet and it put a big smile on my face every time take out for a ride .
I have a 2000 yamaha r1 with no assisting technology.ive had it since 2010 and i love it
Coming from a Mt09 just bought the Z900rs café and the bike is pretty good the power is there too…
i have never fan of older classic styled bikes but the z900 rs cafe is a sexy bike.
I reeeeeallly want to see them ride a CB1100 and compare it to a rebel 1100 now. It's the last air cooled 4-cylinder in the USDM if memory serves correct. It makes poor horsepower, but for cruising, it has Presence with a capital P. The 4 chromed exhaust pipes, my DLX model has the twin exhaust pipes, and the candy apple red paint make it a great standard bike for cruising. It weighs over 500lbs, but man does it roll smooth.
WOuld be cool to throw the Z900RS, the CB1100, a triumph bonneville, and maybe the XSR900 and see what the differences are.
919 - the UJM as seen through the lens of a 90's super-bike.
*laughs in bandit 1200*
Seriously, in stock form the B12 is a lovely bike. My impression before I started modifying it was that it was a happy puppy dog of a bike that would just give you as much power as you asked for, then you look down and you're doing 85 mph. After swapping in a set of katana 1100 cams, Yoshimura mid pipe and can rejetting and tuning the carbs and K&N dual carb oval filters I was left with an absolute stump puller of a motor. In 1st gear you couldn't give more than half throttle past 7k without the thing standing straight up.
Hornet is the epitomy of the UJM. I think the flat seat on the Kawi would let me ride where I fit more
WhT is a jdm motorcycle?? Lmfao. Jdm culture isn’t in bikes because they raced 250s which never even was a thing here it failed miserably
I have a 919 Hornet... But the Z900RS would be the bike I would buy if I had to replace it.
I'm with you there. I'm getting a second 919 this weekend.
These bikes are very popular in Japan and they sound so good at the twisties.
Im gonna go ahead and be that rider that says "they dont make them like they used to". seriously, the 90s and the 20s were the best looking bikes ever. the 'futuristic styling" of modern bikes looks forced, and not good or timeless at all
I had a Honda 919 and loved it. Keep in mind this wasn't a well cared for bike. The guy I bought it from had dumped it hard it had dents and scratches and rattling bits. I did my best to put it back to good but it was always a little flawed. However, given all that, it was just a fantastic bike. I have no idea what this means, but like they've said, "it has soul". I've owned similar bikes I've had a couple Suzuki 1200 Bandits, a Kawasaki Z1000 and a Yamaha FZ. All of them great bikes, but just never felt like I connected with them. The Hornet was just as happy rolling along a country backroad at 55 mph as it was bombing around some a twisty stretch of asphalt. The only other bike that feels like this to me is the SV650. I would love to find a low mileage, well cared for Hornet.
The way you guys describe the hornet is exactly how I describe my 09 FZ6. Seems very similar!
I love the sound of the FZ6 😍
@@MyFlexinIsAProblem a BIG part of why i dont need a 1000cc tbh. Yamaha 600s scream.
As a 2nd time returns rider after 15 years, I been looking at modern motorcycle with fuel injection. Been looking at newer Sporters a 2013 CB1100 which look similar to the KZ 900 theme bike. But a 65 I need a bike less than 600lbs and most likely 1200 cc or less. My largest bike I ever has was a 1999 Honda VT1100T aka Honda Ace Tourer. I was well balanced and handle good for a cruiser. Anyway still researching and trying out bikes that fit me before test ride them.
The US is fun, found a 919 for 1800$. Shit is fun af
Had a 919 in '05. It was one of the greatest bikes ever. I never understood why they weren't more popular. When people describe the MT-09, it reminds me exactly of my old 919 (I know the yamaha is faster with a better engine sound)
I bought my 919 new in 2007 and love it.
What puts me off the 900 Hornet is the reviews saying it lacks low down grunt. Owning a Bandit 12, and recently selling a Sprint 1050, I need torque!
The Hornet 900 is an amazing and the best.
I bought 2022 Yamaha xsr900 today because I just love the tech! Old bike had nothing.
I’d like to get a review on the Suzuki intruder as long as we’re talking about old cruisers. I love mine!
Love my Kawi 900 RS 2018. Took it all the way from Michigan to the Tail of the dragon and blue ridge parkway. Have taken it also around the 3 big lakes. Rides like a dream ! I will keep to and pass it down to one of my kids.
My first 2 bikes were old turds, 75 Honda cb360 and then an 80 Honda cb900! Then got my first"new" bike a 13 Honda cb1100! Go anywhere do anything original! Trail rides, cruises, leaning in corners fast, everything I want!
A GPZ fairing with a tall shield would be awesome.
Z900RS - Replace the brake pads with Brembo pads, get an ECU flash and change out the suspension for Nitron stuff and it’s absolutely fantastic. Exhaust swap is just noise but Brembo brake feel is worth another $1000 - this costs a lot but gets you to the sort of price a new Hornet would cost today…
I like these chill and just talk about bikes videos.
Oh boi I just bought a 919 a week a goan I am speechless!
Whitney/z900rs combo at the end aesthetic together in matching black. Very cool. Can see why she would buy one on the looks.
The looks of the Z are SO lovely
Both of these are great! Hornet is sexy but the smell and difficulty of getting one would be the No go’s for me. Either though it looks amazing and smooth. I prefer the LEDs also.
Smell?
@@jetstream454 Some riders complained that the twin up-high exhausts made their clothes smell. I never noticed it myself, but I did sometimes hear from others that I smelled of petrol. I just figured oh well, there are much worst odors a person could emit.
Facts, you'll smell like fumes.
Please, try to explain the differences more objectively. Stop talking about feelings, and clarify what differences cause those different feelings. The only objective differences described were that the Kawi seemed restricted by emissions systems (which is easily changed, and notable that the hornet they compare it to has an aftermarket/different exhaust on it), the tires (which don't matter much as they'd be replaced fairly soon if the bike is ridden), and that it has more plastic.
Hornet 919 are supposed to be approx 110 hp at the engine which is no big deal really but they are for some reason bloody fast. I think the factory quarter mile is pretty much 11 seconds flat and 0-60 (100 kph here in Oz) in just above 3 seconds. That's faster than it really should be, is it the fact that the engine is pretty much a super sport engine with a different cam and tune?
I really like Whitney she's down to earth hope to see more videos with Her in them
Bring a Fz1 with naked/european kit. That should feel even better than the 919. At least the fz6 feels better than the cb600f hornet.
Thanks for posting this!
I think they are both great. Coming from a 76 z400 as my first bike.
The Hornet and Z900 aren't quite comparable. The Kwak is a retro designed to look like the original Z900 including the paint colours but with up-to-date equipment wheras the Hornet was designed to be in the streetfighter ilk of a race bike with no fairing and wide bars. Unfortunately the Hornet was up against the Speed Triple 955i which was more powerful, faster and sold by the bucket load. In the last two years of UK Hornet imports only 256 were sold.
The Hornet makes 100 bhp and 63 ft-lb at the wheel but is very snatchy when off-on the throttle in slow traffic as it's an engine designed for carbs with fuel injection slapped on. This can be solved with a Power Commander which will give 104 bhp and 66 ft-lb but with a far smoother pick up power and the flat spot is eliminated.
On the practical side it was possible to get a centrestand for the Hornet and luggage was also available after-market, you can't get a centre stand for most modern bikes including the Kwak so all rear end maintenance is made far more difficult. It was also made in the last few years of motorcycles being made well rather than to a price as they are now. It also lacks the million-and-one electronic frippery items that will fail and be expensive to replace. If you are a half-decent rider the traction control, cornering traction control, multi-mode power and cruise control can be found in a single control-the throttle.
The Hornet is a larger, heavier and more powerful CB500 with a similar ease of riding at any speed. Tank range is 150-180 miles before the light comes on and it is comfortable enough to do 1000+ miles in a day. Servicing is a doddle [there isn't a Haynes, if you are lucky you may find a Honda manual] but I change the oil at 4000 rather than 8000 miles as it looks a bit tired then. When the Bridgestone BT56 tyres were discontinued the replacement advised was the BT016, these are awful in the cold and wet and the rear will spin up too easily, instead go for the BT023s.
The front wheel bearings on mine failed at 16 000 miles [just out of warranty] but the replacements are still going strong. The battery is a pig to remove and replace as the wires are just too short and the rear disc was replaced at 90 000 miles-I put this down to too many slow riding demonstrations and tuition sessions-lock to lock manoevering is simple on the Hornet. The fronts will need replacing soon as well. The lower rear shock bearings failed at 95 000 miles and were replaced-with a centre stand this job is far easier than without.
Compared to the Speed Triple the Hornet is tamer and less grin-inducing. It is however less likely to tempt you into the sort of riding that will get you banned or hospitalised. The engine will sound a bit rattly when it gets above 40 000 miles or so but this seems to be normal, mine clocked up 98 000 miles today [15th Aug 2022] and I have owned it from new.
If you like in the UK do no, under any circumstances buy one of these second-hand. They are rare and as I'm looking for one I don't want any competition! In all seriousness these are great bikes, just with the usual Honda 'get on and do it without all the fuss' attitude.
Hey, I just found your channel with this video! I shall hit the like and sub button! I don't yet know if you take suggestions or review other bikes however I will recommend one for you to ride. To clarify I have been ridding since 2012 and have owned over 6 bikes. of them all one stood out enough to mention here. Find yourself a 1980-1982 Honda cb900 Custom. I have the '80.
For starters it's got a transfer case effectively making it a 10 speed with a high low selector. Some will say it's a 6 speed because no one would really cycle through all H - L 1-5 gears, and I won't disagree. It shares engine parts with a F class sport bike engine, yet its kind of a cross between a cruiser and sport bike.
Anyhow nice demonstration /comparison.
When you said old i thought u were gonna do a cb900.
Hornet aint old.
Ive never ridden a honda where my first thought was 'wow it has character'
Boring? Anodyne? Some metal thrown together? Yes. Never been on a fireblade mind.
My Zed900 is my first Kawasaki. I love it.
I totally agree.. I feel like married to my Hornet 919 :)
Agree that more Whitney is a good thing. She adds an enjoyable vibe to your already great vids. I am fortunate to own several bikes and if I had to sell them, my 919 would be the last to go. It is the embodiment of everything you need and nothing more. Also the best canyon bike (I am in CO) I have ever had.
it seems everyone is telling the same... flash the ECU. Even comparing this to the Z900 (non RS) should reveal the difference a power tweak can make.
It's because Kawasaki chokes the life out of their bikes with emissions.
There's something about the old bikes that they just can't duplicate today (I'm sure emissions regulations have a lot to do with that). The old ones looked a lot better too. Although I haven't owned it in a lot of years I'd take my '83 CB1100F or my old friend Ed's CBX 1050 over any brand new bike out there.
Miss the two strokes 😢
@@alancrane4693 yeah my dad used to have a 500 Suzuki Titan and used to say it was the best bike he ever had. I rode a friends Kawasaki 500 triple back around 1973 and that was interesting.
I rode a 600 Bandit many years ago and it was boring as hell. Apparently the Hornet was it's competitor which I've never ridden but this channel raves about them for reasons I'm not aware of yet.
Bandit definitely was the bike to street fighter into. Hornet definitely was zippy but compared to the v4 nc32 400 which was a blast to ride and that V4 sounding engine was for me best 4 stroke Japanese motorcycle to buy off the shelf.
I always gravatate to the older models from the 70s thru the 90s.
13:52 The funny thing is that inflation exists. The Z900RS is cheaper than the 919.
You can't shut me up about my Z900 RS!! Seriously, I had a different experience with my stock 2022. Could be that I don't ride and review for a living, but I feel like you're a little harsh with the performance. I will admit that it's not a sport bike or the most muscular naked, but I was pleasantly surprised out of the box, and I sold a V max 6 years ago. I will say that Kawi absolutely strangles their bikes with emissions (look at that tumor of a cat under it). They leave it to us to do the tune, which really transforms it. And by the way, looks wise it's not even close. The RSs are distinctive, fantastic looking bikes. Especially the Cafe and the RS SE.
It was the suzuki 600 / 1200 bandit that started this style of bike, the bandit 1200 mk1 now that was a fun bike!
Wish I had never sold my 2003 Graphite 919. I agree with Whitney about the Uranium 'lime' green color and cowl. If I had known that color was coming out I would have waited for 2004 to buy a 'Green Hornet'
Whitney has the same speech pattern as my huskys when they're wanting to go outside
I had a 2010 Hornet and it was hard to let go.
I’ve never bought in to the belief that inline 4s lack “character”. They have their own thrilling edge. I’m completely on board with the CB900 Hornet love. One of the most enjoyable bikes I’ve owned. Did the US get the CBF1000? I had one after the Hornet. Not as appealing to the eye but a fantastically comfortable & versatile sports tourer.
We did, even less popular than the hornet. Hard to find, too expensive if you do
This comparison is completely irrelevant, is a shining example of lazy content wrapped around trying to sell sunglasses. To steal your own analogy you are trying to compare coke with coke original. Any stock new bike that has been choked to comply with modern emission standards will feel lacking compared to 10+ year old stock bike, let alone one that has thousands of dollars of mods. There is a new Hornet on the horizon, maybe you should have waited for that then compare that with the old one, better still compare it stock with the stock z900rs. Better still have people that aren’t self confessed Hornet simps/ buyer of bikes on looks alone to properly review rather than just give their limited opinion. Please do a better job or you will lose viewers if you keep pedalling this mush.
Great review guys love the look of the kawasaki real head Turner own a Honda hornet for 4 years now and love it can't seem to part with it only bought it cause it was cheap of wife uncle and like you say its a great all rounder never let me down and great build quality only paid 1250 UK pounds and low milage
I'm biased and totally agree with this review. That's why I got two (2) absolutely identical CB900F-5s. However, they do have slightly different personalities.
The Honda has a far superior build quality and I think many aftermarket parts are still available (except the stainless "Y" link pipe). PCV now, as opposed to the older PCIII.
PS. I'm cringing at the end as I watch a huge man leaning on that bike as it sways on that side stand. Not what that stand was designed for.
Both of those bikes are awesome because they have INLINE 4-CYLINDER ENGINES !
The older models were more reliable than new ones.
Wow to say a 16 year old motorcycle is far better than a brand new z900 is a big call. Honda must have really got it right. I wanna buy the CB now..
i got a 2004 hornet and i will never sell her !!!! i love mine if you guys feel like give'n your's to me i would be happy help take i off your hands just a fun bike.....
i got mine for 2100$ with 14'300 miles in almost perfect i am on the hunt now for more to buy for my self
If we got busa boys/men, Sportster boys, squidlets for the 600 riders does that mean Honda hornet owners are horny boys? 🤔🤔🤔
Pretty much everything on the z900 will be better than on the Hornet. I don't go for the authenticity thing at all. Put a pipe on the z and ask anyone which they prefer. ABS is totally essential on bikes. Anyone who says not is an ass. TC is great and, as I ride in all weathers in the UK, is also essential and has stopped slides before I could even register them. Plastic isn't all bad as a material. Preferable to bling carbon fibre and much cheaper to replace. The Kawa will be as reliable as the Honda too.
Try a ZRX1200 and the Hornet
You are comparing a Kawasaki with a Honda and mentioning built quality. It would be interesting to see you compare the Hornet with a new Honda - and talk about the difference in built quality.