That moment when you realize that all those friends in her "Paradise" were imaginary and devices she made herself to keep herself sane and suppress the pain... The moment I realized that, I just held my head down for a minute or two.
oh man, it was almost as if i didn't want to belive that falcom took it that for, but they did and for the 1st time i could just move on saying its just a game
It's later explained in Zero that (Spoilers) The children were real, but they all died. Renne started imitating them as alternate personalities to save her own sanity. Kinda like a self defense mechanism.
@@chainchomp3500 Yeah, sorry, I wrote the comment right after finishing Sky 3rd. Now I recently got past Zero and Ao, so I realized that, but still a pretty nutty story.
_"What are you going to be today? A sweet doll? A cool boy?"_ ~Owner Oof! When you realize that the clients probably thought she was just doing some kinky role-playing with them.
What I love about Trails is that it lures you with the image of a happy, twin-tailed girl and the expectation of a funny adventure, but eventually it all leads to...this.
To be honest though, I'm on the third chapter of Zero no Kiseki and this is the only instance of something so dark, twisted and frightening. The series has never delivered something like this again, at least not where I am at. I also played Cold Steel 1, to be precise.
@@kreios6871 Finished. I'm into Ao no Kiseki right now. I've beaten 5 out of 8 games (excluding the temporarily Japan-only Cold Steel IV) of the series and nothing has ever been like that. Honestly, if the series hasn't managed to do so in so many games, one cannot say that such is one of its features. And there's nothing wrong about that, the Kiseki series has other strong points. We don't need to make up that psychological horror and raw brutality like Berserk is one of its features to be supportive.
@@tatsunakyo As far as I remember Zero connects to this moon door - even if not discussing the event in its full emotional potential as in 3rd. What I agree with is, that 3rd probably is the darkest of the games given its (albeit short) main story and this particular moon door. Its also the reason why I actually prefer it to FC or SC.
When I saw the the first conversation In star door no. 15 "Which number would you like today?" "Fifteen" "You've been nominated, Renne. Be sure to treat our customer with care" I immediately fell silent, because I knew what's the meaning behind this. And yes, when I saw Renee's body, which is full of scars, damn. It hit me like a truck. It's just a game, but this time. No
Currently playing Trails 3rd. Just unlocked this door and watched the scene last night. Unreal. Poor Renne! At least Josh & Loewe laid waste to the scumbags running “Paradise.” The way this backstory plays out is crazy. Especially with the text scrolling at diff speeds and changing colors for effect. A few minutes in you’re just like “Ok hope this isn’t implying what I think it’s implying..” then just.. damn. Such darkness under what you think is a wholesome RPG. Falcom is on another level.
@@GiordanDiodato Her hell was slightly different from what I remember, she was experimented to heighten her senses to inhuman levels, Renne already was a genius even before "paradise" and her hell was made up of only a mundane and absolutely disguting evil, sexual abuse for a long fucking time, both had it incredibly fucking bad but at the very least Tio didn't have to imagine her dead child friends to safeguard what little sanity she had left.
This has sooo many "OH SHIT" moments in such a short time. And in every one of those, things get worst. But it's so damn PERFECTLY done. I hate you and I love you, Falcom
This was genuinely a jaw dropping side story for me. I understand from hints that Renne had a horrible past, but opening the door to this and experiencing it made me feel a tad bit sick. Man, this game is a rollercoaster of emotions.
Just started this series of games this year. Just saw this door 10 mins ago. Then came straight on TH-cam to see if everyone was as horrified as me! Great storytelling for sure though.
@@lalalalisa41 Hamel was dark and so was the revelation of Kevin's secret, but Renne's door trumps everything. This is not the kind of story i expected sexual abuse of a little kid to show up in.
@@Scytherman Or that it would be handled with such simultaneous honesty and grace. One minute your replacing lightbulbs in park lampposts, the next you're watching the most skilled artistic depiction of one of of the worst subjects of all of humanity that you will ever see. What a game.
@@Scythermani wish they hadn't retconned the hamel incident as caused by the erebonian curse of ishmelga. There are people who could actually pull something like that if tempted by greed. But no, they wanted some magical curse like power to be responsible for everything instead of dealing with humanity's evil side.
@@yourface2464 Is it part of the story of trails from zero? I would like to know where i can find the house ,i just finished the game. I haven't played trails in the sky so i am wondering about which house you are mentioning.
"Zero no Kiseki" will shine the darkest destiny of this poor little girl.... I was sooooo touched when Estella caught this poor little girl with warm embrace in the end. I was just Crying like a baby... Falcom made the best JRPG in the game history.
This is why she is my favorite character in the series. Literally, I only want to play Zero to know more about her. CS4 didn't have enough scenes with her. I just want to see her happy. :(
Very difficult to digest, especially since i really get attached to Renne throughout this episode. I immediately realized that there was something wrong. There was no reason that she was the only one not to "work" and the fact that the children did not have faces emphasizes that they do not really have an identity. For the last scene with her parents, i wonder if Renne didn't imagine the fact that they talk about her that way. It really feels like they're acting like she doesn't matter to them.
Well... spoilers for Zero. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Her parents think she died in a house fire. They have no idea what truly happened to her, and never sold her - she was kidnapped. Seeing that scene with that knowledge, the way they talk makes sense. Seeing it from Renne's perspective, believing what she does, it's... absolutely stomach-turning. I got spoiled from Zero, if I hadn't this scene would've probably hit me even harder.
As much as I love the Cold Steel arc, finally playing the final installment now. The character development and story telling they had in Trails in the Sky, such as this story, is why I believe the Cold Steel arc will never hold a candle to it. Cold steel is great, don't get me wrong, but the stories they made in Sky and even in the Crossbell arc were absolute masterpieces.
A friend sent this to me after we chatted a bit about playing Trails. He said that out of the scenes in 3rd Chapter, this was one of the more important (like, in regards to understanding backstory). ... This is fucked up. I already felt bad for Renne after SC, but this just makes me feel even worse. No person, let alone a child, should go through such things. 13:01 This was where I just started screaming "OH GOD"
I just got into the trails series and heard about how bad this is. I got curious and looked up 3 minutes later... I’m only three minutes in and I can already tell there’s child labor and abuse involved. I wanna puke
There has always been a dark undercurrent in many Trails games, it's just that they usually sweep the darkest stuff under the rug. This door is so late in the game and so far down Hell/Gehenna, you have to work hard to get to this door, that's when you knew it's not meant for easy viewing.
Trails has always had a VERY deep and dark undertone. With FC and SC, you're dealing with things like the Society, in 3rd you have the realities that the doors show you. In Crossbell you have some really fucked up shit. The Cold Steel games also had that extremely dark undertone, even if it was presented almost like a high school romance sim. From a civil war, to the razing of a town, to the Divine Knights, to the endings of CS 3 and 4, and ESPECIALLY everything that happened in Hajimari, Trails is a very sinister and dark storyline. Of course, to commercialize it better, and to get people into the game, it does get swept under a rug. But once you start to read all the lore... Well
Trails has always been very dark and gruesome, and it will only get more sinister with Kuro no Kiseki (Trails in the Dark). After what was learnt towards the end of Cold Steel IV with Gnosis and the D∴G Cult, and Calvard being a major point of their headquarters, were in for some foul times leading into Kuro.
Literally finished Zero no Kiseki 30 minutes ago. This specific Star Door was what got me interested to play the Crossbell games. It just makes you overthink man,how fucked up all these things are and it horrifies you when you realize that some part of that is indeed happening in real life. Seriously the Crossbell games are underrated asf.
@@sheridanmovieguy yes point taken but the fact that they left her in someone's care just becuz of a huge debt isn't really reasonable enough considering wat kind of hellish shit renne's got through becuz of her parent's foolish decision
@@reno9571 they didn't know. And frankly, nobody could have known. You don't generally expect someone to burn down the house and abduct your children when you go to work, for example. Hayworth needed time to handle their debts and they had to keep their daughter OUT of danger. Because debt collectors could hurt her. Nobody could know that what happened when they did leave Renne would happen.
IF I DIDN'T WATCH THIS MAN, I WOULD NEVER UNDERSTOOD THE STORY WHY RENNE IS IN CROSSBELL... Man... I never paid attention to this doors... looks like im gonna play the game again... Renne is one of my most favorite loli in trails trilogy and ao zero duology... Now i understand why estelle is so fixated on her...
That moment when you realize that all those friends in her "Paradise" were imaginary and devices she made herself to keep herself sane and suppress the pain... The moment I realized that, I just held my head down for a minute or two.
oh man, it was almost as if i didn't want to belive that falcom took it that for, but they did and for the 1st time i could just move on saying its just a game
It's later explained in Zero that (Spoilers)
The children were real, but they all died. Renne started imitating them as alternate personalities to save her own sanity. Kinda like a self defense mechanism.
@@chainchomp3500 Yeah, sorry, I wrote the comment right after finishing Sky 3rd. Now I recently got past Zero and Ao, so I realized that, but still a pretty nutty story.
_"What are you going to be today? A sweet doll? A cool boy?"_ ~Owner
Oof! When you realize that the clients probably thought she was just doing some kinky role-playing with them.
@@hahmann The moment I saw Loewe and Josuha, I wish I played with they myself against the Paradise.
What I love about Trails is that it lures you with the image of a happy, twin-tailed girl and the expectation of a funny adventure, but eventually it all leads to...this.
If you thought, at the end of the second chapter, that Renne had a happy life, you were not paying attention.
To be honest though, I'm on the third chapter of Zero no Kiseki and this is the only instance of something so dark, twisted and frightening. The series has never delivered something like this again, at least not where I am at. I also played Cold Steel 1, to be precise.
@@tatsunakyo You're not yet done with Zero....
@@kreios6871 Finished. I'm into Ao no Kiseki right now.
I've beaten 5 out of 8 games (excluding the temporarily Japan-only Cold Steel IV) of the series and nothing has ever been like that. Honestly, if the series hasn't managed to do so in so many games, one cannot say that such is one of its features. And there's nothing wrong about that, the Kiseki series has other strong points. We don't need to make up that psychological horror and raw brutality like Berserk is one of its features to be supportive.
@@tatsunakyo As far as I remember Zero connects to this moon door - even if not discussing the event in its full emotional potential as in 3rd. What I agree with is, that 3rd probably is the darkest of the games given its (albeit short) main story and this particular moon door. Its also the reason why I actually prefer it to FC or SC.
When I saw the the first conversation In star door no. 15
"Which number would you like today?"
"Fifteen"
"You've been nominated, Renne. Be sure to treat our customer with care"
I immediately fell silent, because I knew what's the meaning behind this. And yes, when I saw Renee's body, which is full of scars, damn. It hit me like a truck. It's just a game, but this time. No
Currently playing Trails 3rd. Just unlocked this door and watched the scene last night. Unreal. Poor Renne! At least Josh & Loewe laid waste to the scumbags running “Paradise.” The way this backstory plays out is crazy. Especially with the text scrolling at diff speeds and changing colors for effect. A few minutes in you’re just like “Ok hope this isn’t implying what I think it’s implying..” then just.. damn. Such darkness under what you think is a wholesome RPG. Falcom is on another level.
just wait till you learn Tio went through the same kind of hell
@@GiordanDiodato dang bro spoilers much? literally just started playing zero lol.
@@GiordanDiodato Her hell was slightly different from what I remember, she was experimented to heighten her senses to inhuman levels, Renne already was a genius even before "paradise" and her hell was made up of only a mundane and absolutely disguting evil, sexual abuse for a long fucking time, both had it incredibly fucking bad but at the very least Tio didn't have to imagine her dead child friends to safeguard what little sanity she had left.
This has sooo many "OH SHIT" moments in such a short time. And in every one of those, things get worst. But it's so damn PERFECTLY done. I hate you and I love you, Falcom
Welp, I'm gonna go cry myself to sleep now.
This was genuinely a jaw dropping side story for me.
I understand from hints that Renne had a horrible past, but opening the door to this and experiencing it made me feel a tad bit sick.
Man, this game is a rollercoaster of emotions.
If Anything, it's so fitting that this door is in the depth of Gehenna
Just started this series of games this year. Just saw this door 10 mins ago. Then came straight on TH-cam to see if everyone was as horrified as me!
Great storytelling for sure though.
I love how for so many people this door goes basically from
"Oh shoot, more Renne? Let's goo"
To
"What the fuck"
This story did a really great job at making me feel terrible and disgusted.
Yeah, Hamel made me feel like this too but this was like worse :\
@@lalalalisa41 Hamel was dark and so was the revelation of Kevin's secret, but Renne's door trumps everything. This is not the kind of story i expected sexual abuse of a little kid to show up in.
@@Scytherman Oh yeah, definitely!
@@Scytherman Or that it would be handled with such simultaneous honesty and grace. One minute your replacing lightbulbs in park lampposts, the next you're watching the most skilled artistic depiction of one of of the worst subjects of all of humanity that you will ever see. What a game.
@@Scythermani wish they hadn't retconned the hamel incident as caused by the erebonian curse of ishmelga. There are people who could actually pull something like that if tempted by greed. But no, they wanted some magical curse like power to be responsible for everything instead of dealing with humanity's evil side.
You'd think this is a joke but I am dead serious. This is in my top 10 saddest anime scenes...
Go pay respect to Loewe in CS3 because he prevented Renne from possibly trying to kill her parents.
Watch this door, and go to a certain house in Crossbell. Fuck my heart is torn again
@@Fabio-ql5yf They are different games, but...
if you ever play Zero, you'll know what it is in due time
@@yourface2464 Is it part of the story of trails from zero? I would like to know where i can find the house ,i just finished the game. I haven't played trails in the sky so i am wondering about which house you are mentioning.
The moment of Realization of Sophia and Whatever the Merchant's name was was insane.
"Zero no Kiseki" will shine the darkest destiny of this poor little girl....
I was sooooo touched when Estella caught this poor little girl with warm embrace in the end. I was just Crying like a baby...
Falcom made the best JRPG in the game history.
You thought Trails in the sky was a happy go lucky JRPG? Think again.
Oh my.........
This is why she is my favorite character in the series. Literally, I only want to play Zero to know more about her. CS4 didn't have enough scenes with her. I just want to see her happy. :(
You want to see her happy? Good luck with that
Renne's story just brakes your heart. Dam you Falcom!!!!!
This is soooo messed up. What the hell. Poor Renne :(
Very difficult to digest, especially since i really get attached to Renne throughout this episode. I immediately realized that there was something wrong. There was no reason that she was the only one not to "work" and the fact that the children did not have faces emphasizes that they do not really have an identity.
For the last scene with her parents, i wonder if Renne didn't imagine the fact that they talk about her that way. It really feels like they're acting like she doesn't matter to them.
One year has past, what you can tell now?
Well... spoilers for Zero.
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Her parents think she died in a house fire. They have no idea what truly happened to her, and never sold her - she was kidnapped. Seeing that scene with that knowledge, the way they talk makes sense. Seeing it from Renne's perspective, believing what she does, it's... absolutely stomach-turning. I got spoiled from Zero, if I hadn't this scene would've probably hit me even harder.
she actually talks with her father in CS4, but its a really easy scene to miss if you try to rush the finale chapter@@antonioscendrategattico2302
As much as I love the Cold Steel arc, finally playing the final installment now. The character development and story telling they had in Trails in the Sky, such as this story, is why I believe the Cold Steel arc will never hold a candle to it. Cold steel is great, don't get me wrong, but the stories they made in Sky and even in the Crossbell arc were absolute masterpieces.
Enforcer XV....
Door 15...
Number 15....
I'm not even sure it was worth to go all the way down the abyss to see this tragic door
Falcom sure did make me sick and surprise at the same time
Or everyone’s a doll and Renne’s entire childhood is a lie and that kinda explains a bit of her actions in SC
A friend sent this to me after we chatted a bit about playing Trails. He said that out of the scenes in 3rd Chapter, this was one of the more important (like, in regards to understanding backstory).
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This is fucked up. I already felt bad for Renne after SC, but this just makes me feel even worse. No person, let alone a child, should go through such things.
13:01
This was where I just started screaming "OH GOD"
So dark and sad never before I been more freaked out by a game I played.
this is heavy af jesus christ
The music hits so much harder the second time around.
dude...
I just got into the trails series and heard about how bad this is. I got curious and looked up
3 minutes later...
I’m only three minutes in and I can already tell there’s child labor and abuse involved. I wanna puke
Someone in a trails comment section said that "kiseki is for children"
I linked him to this video.
He should shut up now.
I saw one bright individual in kiseki comment section who said "kiseki is for children"
hAHAhAhaHAhaHahAhAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
"one bright individual" Must've been Estelle. *ba dum tsch*
@@SaltpeterTaffy She's optimistic as hell, not stupid xd.
@@agentc7020 Its a pun, Estelle's last name is Bright.
@@SaltpeterTaffy I know I know, I was just following up on the joke xd
and they said kamoshida arc in persona is dark af lol
Definitely the darkest Trails has ever gotten.
unless Kuro upped the ante.
That hurt my heart
There has always been a dark undercurrent in many Trails games, it's just that they usually sweep the darkest stuff under the rug.
This door is so late in the game and so far down Hell/Gehenna, you have to work hard to get to this door, that's when you knew it's not meant for easy viewing.
Trails has always had a VERY deep and dark undertone. With FC and SC, you're dealing with things like the Society, in 3rd you have the realities that the doors show you. In Crossbell you have some really fucked up shit. The Cold Steel games also had that extremely dark undertone, even if it was presented almost like a high school romance sim. From a civil war, to the razing of a town, to the Divine Knights, to the endings of CS 3 and 4, and ESPECIALLY everything that happened in Hajimari, Trails is a very sinister and dark storyline. Of course, to commercialize it better, and to get people into the game, it does get swept under a rug. But once you start to read all the lore... Well
Trails has always been very dark and gruesome, and it will only get more sinister with Kuro no Kiseki (Trails in the Dark).
After what was learnt towards the end of Cold Steel IV with Gnosis and the D∴G Cult, and Calvard being a major point of their headquarters, were in for some foul times leading into Kuro.
Pain
This is Renne's fate, why she saved by Ouroboros, not saved by good people ...
This will be in Kuro 2
this is what I call a good writing, FFXV take note ;)
FFXV has a story?
It’s supposed too.
@@everythingmainecooncat4938 i play on easy mode, skip all monster, focus on main story. 60+ hours. This series is so underrated.
Where is that door? I obtained renne yesterday. By the way, I have just finished chapter 5.
Been a while since I played but if I remember correctly, all the way down in the depths of the abyss
@@CubicPenguin4 as it should be
oh no.
What's the name of the music ?
Found it: "Stairway to Prison" th-cam.com/video/ODMP8OuNK5M/w-d-xo.html
It's also sometime called "Stairway to Gehenna"
man
I just cleared Zero no kiseki and Renne past was more fucked up
Literally finished Zero no Kiseki 30 minutes ago.
This specific Star Door was what got me interested to play the Crossbell games.
It just makes you overthink man,how fucked up all these things are and it horrifies you when you realize that some part of that is indeed happening in real life.
Seriously the Crossbell games are underrated asf.
@@ProjectGU yeah i also grow to like lloyd as a character but guess in the cold steel 4 our lloyd and estelle not Gonna shine
@@lloydb5571 I dont know I havent played any CS games yet...iam excited to do soon!
@@ProjectGU niceeee
i hope this isn't the case for tio plato as well, as far as i know she was drugged and experimented on by D.G. cult
She wasn't in Paradise. She was experimented on and it was horrible, sure, but Renne had it even worse.
@@sheridanmovieguy ikr dude i dun even mind if she decides to kill her own biological parents for that
@@reno9571 Renne's parents aren't to blame. She misunderstood what happened. This is all talked about in Zero. The Hayworths are good people.
@@sheridanmovieguy yes point taken but the fact that they left her in someone's care just becuz of a huge debt isn't really reasonable enough considering wat kind of hellish shit renne's got through becuz of her parent's foolish decision
@@reno9571 they didn't know. And frankly, nobody could have known. You don't generally expect someone to burn down the house and abduct your children when you go to work, for example. Hayworth needed time to handle their debts and they had to keep their daughter OUT of danger. Because debt collectors could hurt her. Nobody could know that what happened when they did leave Renne would happen.
the way they reconned this in later games is genuinely offensive.
wait they did? what the hell
They didn't.
They didn't? They just added onto how she got to Paradise in the first place
IF I DIDN'T WATCH THIS MAN, I WOULD NEVER UNDERSTOOD THE STORY WHY RENNE IS IN CROSSBELL... Man... I never paid attention to this doors... looks like im gonna play the game again... Renne is one of my most favorite loli in trails trilogy and ao zero duology... Now i understand why estelle is so fixated on her...
Another reason to bring the cult along with the main behind it down.
All the games are so interconnected it's ridiculous.
Cassius Bright's promotion to S rank bracer is also related to this
lol...the doors are the whole point of playing Trails. Why would you ignore the doors?
@@BarstoolBlues33 I mean this is one of the doors that is more easily missed
D3ly ' wow, really? Amazing. What game is that revealed in? I’m on 3rd chapter now.
cute and funny
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