I believe this is the Super Saiyan form of his Ultimate form. Think about it. In his ultimate form he's pretty much in base form but with his true potential unlocked. Beast is him going Super Sayian in that form
Heck DB Xenoverse 2 DLC confirmed that Beast Mode can be access by humans(in a similar way that Gohan does with the hair and stuff) so if you find a human and give him the Elder Kai treatment then he too can access Beast mode.
If it was just super Saiyan in Ultimate, there's no way he would be this strong Edit: Okay I think I realise what you mean. It's not like Super Saiyan mixed with Ultimate, like what SSB is, it's just Gohan's rage being unleashed while in Ultimate, like a Super Saiyan version of Ultimate, if that makes any sense
I hate the look of beast. It's so unoriginal. They gave him the same color hair as MUI for whatever reason, and then just puffed it up. I loved ultimate Gohan because there was no fancy gimmick, it was just him at max power.
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His Ultimate form is the form he got through getting his potential unleashed by the old kai, it had nothing to do with his rage that kept him alive throughout the series. Against Raditz, Frieza, Cell, he always used rage and emotions to become stronger, which is in a way the Super Saiyan transformation. So, he got his Ultimate form through his potential and combining his somewhat calm spirit of his Ultimate form with his rage, you get Beast.
@@potetto3978 don't forget that outburst of energy /Ki Gohan had when he was training with Piccolo, also that time he fought with 1st/2nd form friza on Namek when Guru unlocked his potential. Also during the Buu Saga too
Its crazy to think how far gohan's potential reaches with only normal ki. He long surpasses goku and vegeta if it wasnt for them learning to harness god ki.
This got me thinking about the contrast between Gohan and the two pure blooded Saiyans. As we know Goku and Vegeta are very dedicated to gaining strength and constantly surpassing the person they were yesterday whereas Gohan is often known to slack on his training. I'm starting to think that the main cause of this is his humanity since he's only half Saiyan. Whenever Gohan isn't training you wont find him loafing around doing nothing, he's either working on his studies or career or looking after his family. His humanity makes him have a desire to divide his dedication to both his strength and his life on earth, he wants to be a strong warrior like his dad but also wants time to live like a normal earthling and this is why I think Old Kai unlocking his potential is so important as it allows him to maintain his lifestyle of juggling training with his day to day duties on earth as he can keep up with Goku without training so hard. I feel like the point of Gohan in DBS is to be a contrast to how Goku and Vegeta were so quick to begin abandoning their mortality as divine power would get them the strength they long for, Gohan on the other hand values his humanity too much and wouldn't want to abandon his lifestyle for strength, Unlike Goku and Vegeta he wouldnt spent months on end training with a deity when he could be spending time with his family. Gohan is supposed to demonstrate what the peak of mortality is and just how strong a mortal can be without divine intervention. So if anyone feels like Gohan shouldn't be that powerful without God Ki I have to disagree as this makes perfect sense for his character, he'd rather stay true to himself and not abandon his mortality. This is demonstrated by how emotional Gohan can be and how the one thing that never fails to get Gohan to fight is toying with his emotions (Android 16s death and Piccolo being hurt by Cell Max for example) and once he's been set off he usually fights way more aggressively and stops pulling his punches, pretty beastly wouldn't you say? So I understand the form to be a culmination of his mortality and the "Beast" that his mortal tendencies can cause him to become. (didn't expect to write so much but I got pretty into it lol)
I know some people think Gohan's power have come from nowhere with no training, but he has been researching ki this whole time. He have been trying to make logical sense to what him and the z-fighter are doing. He can understand their abilities on a different level. I would like to see if Gohan outlook could actually help in the long run.
I been talking about this being a Super Saiyan version of Ultimate. Ultimate was meant to be the final state of his power, hence the word Ultimate. However, we know how saiyans break their ceilings a lot. Broly being the biggest example of that.
I think it's a bit more nuanced. It's not necessarily his ultimate form, rather it's a mixture of SSJ and Gohan's inner rage specifically. The ultimate form when you think about it was "Gohan's rage" / his "potential" artificially brought out by the elder Kai to be used as a new form without getting angry. Gohan's beast form was unlocked by Gohan giving into his emotions once more, I think it completely sidesteps the ultimate form entirely. And it makes even more sense because SSJ is a transformation fueled by emotion as well. It's literally the human emotion and Saiyan emotion halves of Gohan coming together finally. That's just my opinion though.
@@priestesslucy I'm not sure if you are joking as nowadays it's insanely hard to tell, but Gyu Mao was never a demon. He was always a human. They called him Demon King because of his strength.
@@priestesslucy That isn't how it works. You made the claim that he is a demon. Prove it. Show me ANYWHERE that states that he is a demon. Because quite literally nothing implied that. I'm so tired of so many moronic headcanons
If you go back to the manga volume where Piccolo first takes Gohan to the wilderness at age 4, he tells him that he's going to bring out his "beast" power through training so that he'll be able to use it all the time, not just in emotional bursts. Toyotaro & Toriyama really went back all the way to the beginning of DBZ when designing Gohan Beast!
SSJ2 + Ozaru Beast + Mystic (Ultimate Form): Beast Gohan. 100 × 10 × Mystic Boost.. So basically, 1000 × Mystic with Gohan dormant ability. Does make sense since Mystic Gohan could be seen as a 6 - 7/10 compared to SSB Goku.
i agree, but in a sense, he IS taking another path because this isnt a linear saiyan-based upgrade to the super saiyan form. same with how ss blue isnt a "linear"upgrade because it used god ki instead of normal ki
It also ruins the lore of Ultimate being 100% of his potential (as a warrior) and makes a mockery of his performance in the ToP and Morro arcs if he could just go SSJ ontop of Ultimate to produce Beast. Toriyama calls Beast the manifestation of Gohan's Inner Beast and I am praying it remains independent of SSJ
I guess he's still kinda doing his own path, I mean he's this strong without God Ki and he's mixing a lot of power paths to create his own version. It would be impossible to simply switch off his saiyan dna at will. It's always going to be there.
@@SaiyanScholarTrue, but many of us are praying this is due to his maternal lineage or at worst a merging of it with his Saiyan DNA, rather than just bog standard Saiyan stuff. If that Inner Beast Toriyama-sensei mentions is Gohan's Inner Ox demon that would be so much more compelling than just being Broly 2.0 merging Oozaru and SSJ attributes
I think with Goku going the Angel route with UI, Vegeta going the God route with UE, Gohan going the Kai route with Ultimate/Beast, Broly should be given a canon SS4. The Saiyan route. That everyone else just flat out ditched.
The idea of Goku asking Gohan if it was one of the standard yellow SS forms probably stems from his experience of witnessing the other hybrid Saiyan F. Trunks being able to possess enough power in just SS2 to scare Goku into going from SS3 to SSG (manga continuity), lol. So, of course, when it comes to his own son Gohan, who everyone knows is THE hybrid prodigy, he would think all of that power he sensed could possibly come from Gohan in a hypothetical mastered SS3.
Neat, yeah I was thinking it's sort of along the lines of SS4 and/or LSS. LSS is that raw untapped power of Oozaru without going Oozaru, utilizing its full and rising power while unable to turn into a big monke (At least that was the caveat in Z's Broly right? He couldn't go Oozaru because LSS is just that, not sure if S Broly, Kale, etc it's the same rules, hello I is anime only person here, nice to meetcha lol). Meanwhile to achieve 4 one needed to master Oozaru and push their energy and power through the Golden Oozaru limits. Beast simply looking at it feels the same as one, the other, or both together. Speaking of which 4:30 Goku also gets that vacant look in Classic DB and GT, when he goes Oozaru and Golden Oozaru. It is a very trademark expression before that transformation, unleashing the beast within. Werewolves in media tend to do the same, that sense, that urge of the beast you within, painfully clawing its way up and out while suppressing human you. Then yeah that white aura like Potential Unleashed, it's truly taking every aspect of Saiyans, and melding it into 1 along with Gohan's latent potential. Also curious if that or him being 1/2 human is why it can unlock. Like if it's tied to Oozaru's no reason Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, and Goten couldn't do it too. Why I mention it, if anyone can just walk up to Elder Kai, a Guru Namekian, or Shenron like Gohan, Krillin, and Piccolo to unlock more power then it feels less special. Why I suggest the human angle, I hope it's more exclusive, if Goten and Trunks can achieve it, less of an issue but... Goku and Vegeta got enough going on for them, they don't need that power or more forms, let Gohan be special. Especially cause... hmmm... are humans in DB also descended from apes like IRL? Another angle to consider IF his human DNA plays a part, the melding of 2 ape descended species, one being more on the nose, but the other also having ape ties. Would also explain why some other humans like Roshi and Krillin can get potential unlocked, like some dormant primal energy infusing with their current selves. Gohan being 1/2 human 1/2 Saiyan utilizing both of these, all of his ancestry Saiyan, all the SS forms, after achieving SS1 and 2 himself, potential unleashed, his Oozaru dormant powers, all just a melting pot of potential and power unleashed into 1 form and power. Even the name, beast, sounds primal in its own right.
Gohan's mentality always reminded me of that quiet person that you just never messed with. It takes so long for them to snap that by the time they do, that anger has compounded several thousands of times, over and over. And its that snap we see every time Gohan switches from passive mode, to wailing on whatever was stupid enough to piss him off. He even forced final form Frieza to go back to 100% (from his "50%") after mistakenly telling Gohan how Goku "died" (lies of course), but it was suddenly a whole lot more power that Gohan was tapping into). I believe the Eng line was "you hurt my dad, you killed my friend!" Right before smashing Frieza square in the jaw. I see Beast form as the accumulation of all that, Gohan has always had that beast within thing going for him and sometimes it came out and solved problems for him. Piccolo can see it, Goku can (though it took him a little longer to work it out) and to be fair, as much as Vegeta rags on Gohan, he can see it too. It's been a thing since gohan was still wearing a Dragonball on his head... It's just, no longer an option of last resort anymore. Safe to say he's unified the calm and the angry together into the Beast. Or so I see it of course, much speculation, very personal opinion lol.
😂😂😂 haha facts. Glad someone isn't blindly bias to it all. I love it but it's totally silly transformation for Gohan. Just another excuse by some higher up to make more toys
@@hououinkyouma3864 Maybe when Toriyama saw the bastardization that is dragon ball evolution, this motivated him to make his rendition of "evolution", which became super. Thus all the revising, retconing and regression of character developments.
I’ve had a theory for a LONG time that their gonna use this to introduce ssj4. Beast gohan is just an unfinished or or un-evolved ssj4 and that goku(or vegeta) are gonna be in a fight where god power isn’t enough or just be doing some experimenting and then they will go back to their roots and try to replicate gohan’s beast form and get ssj4. Or gohan can just unlock it but that would be to much in his kit. This could actually happen if beast gohan truly goes back to your roots.
I still don't buy the theory this is a Super Saiyan thing. Yeah Goku thinks it might be, but that's just Goku speculating. Until explicitly told otherwise, my headcanon remains that Beast is the power of Gohan's Inner Ox Demon (and it's as monstrously powerful as it is in part because he uses it in conjunction with Ultimate)
He was fight as human 4 sagas. UI on tournamnet of power is ass pull transformation also, ssj god and ssjgodssj... Gohan always had best potential, he was The One from begin so you fanboys can cry forever now, Goku and Vegeta made you very soft.
Personally, I think you're right on the mark. When I first saw Beast my initial thought was less complex. I believe that THIS is what happens when Gohan goes Super Saiyan in Ultimate. If you remember every time he's asked after going Ultimate "Why don't you go Super Saiyan?" He gives a cocky smirk and says "I dont need it". People always assume he means transforming into a Super Saiyan would make him weaker because of how much energy it takes to transform when Gohan never said that's why he won't do it.
That's actually what me and my friends were talking about. This form has to just be Ultimate mixed with Super Saiyan, kinda like how Blue is just a Super Saiyan God going Super Saiyan. I would imagine even while using Ultimate, with it basically being base form but a lot of power being released, he can still go Super if pushed. It's just great we finally see something like this. I also came up with the headcanon, that this was his REAL unlocked potential and what we called Ultimate was him not going 100%.
I belive Chi-Chi's mother is Dr. Arinsu from DB Daima wich makes Gohan 25% demon, and his beast form is just Gohan going demon mode. I wode go as far to say his beast form is like Freza in his "fainal form" both form are they're base form but they have diferent form to surpres they're power, maybe Frezza's mother is olos Dr. Arinsu form DB Daima.
Except that super sayian is already itself a version from the oozaru power. I don't remember exsctly it was many years ago but I think it was explained going super saiyan is unlocking oozaru power without turning into a great ape. Like taking a giant power and condesning it into the human form making it more concentrated. They can't access oozaru form since their tails have been cut off too many times they stopped groeing back, but also they only unlock super saying the first time when they have no tail. Like the body trying to access oozaru power without being able to grow into an ape. They also threw some S Cell bs science junk into it later then retconned that because nobody liked it. But basically it was saying they need a pure heart, lots of S-cells, then rage and the s-cells would cluster and build up in the body until they unlock it. And that was the explenation for why Goku was the first in such a long time to get it because most saiyans nsturally were not pure hearted enough to build up s-cells since they were raised on a planet as savage warriors stuck under the rule of frieza so they were more inclined to an angry selfish personality. Bardock was later written to get ssj because he was one of the very few good hearted saiyans also loving his family but I don't think that was cannon. Toryama has a big track record for forgetfulness even forgot some characters existed from dragonball and he retcons or just flat out forgets things he wrote and creates contradictions on accident like the potarra earings were originally a "Permanent" fusion that was a very big point in the buu saga where vegeta really hated it and was refusing to do it for a long time. And they got unfused inside buu's stomache which was ok. But then in Super during the Goku Black Arc they made it to be only a 30 minute fusion and now ssying it's only permanent when Kai's fuse. Then again in the tournament of power for Kefla and Cale they unfused after Goku manhandles them off the arena. So who knows it just comes down to whatever Toryama thinks is cool he will explain Beast Gohan in some special way and we just accept it lol
@@TigersLullaby125this is straight up retconned by the existence of superbroly, who already has a human oozaru transformation weaker than ssj, and possibly creates the stronger green form by combining ikari and ssj.
So basically what I am thinking is that beast is a combination of Gohan roar, unlimited natural power with the ability to draw out the power of Oozaru with in so the combination of that with Gohan’s Mystic power creates this form, which means if Goku can tap into the power of Oozaru he can create a primal ultra instinct of shorts which is where it’s basically going
Makes sense. His ultimate form is pulling out all his dormant power. Beast could just be pulling from that hidden oozaru part. Probably got locked away since he doesn’t have a tail
Remember what he said to Kefla about progressing as a human, not a Saiyan? I always thought that was a chad thing to say, but also impossible. He can’t get rid of his Saiyan blood. It will always add to his power.
Beast form is something more sinister. Both the Dai and Whis realized the ki and the dai looked concerned, but whis felt he could teach Gohan how to control/harness it. It'll be interesting to see how it evolves. How mental would it be if Gohan became Goku and Vegtas next universal danger.
Another theory: Gohan is a stunted Legendary Super Saiyan. He's Broly with much less severe rage issues (and a hell of a lot more control) and hence does not have the LSSJ state. Beast is the power of that state manifested as a 2nd stage transformation of his Ultimate form.
its super Saiyan stacked on Potenial unleased or mystic, Mystic form gohan has pink lightning sparks and well ssj3 is said to be potenial unleased typed form so thats why his hair grows like ss3
At one point in time, I thought to myself that with Vegeta pursuing the path of destruction by essentially developing hakai/destruction ki, and Goku pursing the path of angelic/heavenly ki, both due to their exposure to those deities, that Gohan's power was awakened and evolved as a form of elevated Supreme Kai ki energy, due to his training with Kai deities.
I thought it was implied that was the case? in the movie, he was in his ultimate form before he snaps and transformed. his transformation looks very similar to his super saiyan 2. I would simply call it mystic super saiyan or ultimate super saiyan lol
What if the Ultimate Form is sort of like a juiced up Ikari. Maybe Gohan's human dna not only amplifies the powers but also makes it easier to control. That would make Beast the Super Saiyan version of Ultimate Gohan, combining the power of SSJ, Great Ape, and Gohan's own potential as a hybrid Saiyan. Though it's also possible Beast isn't exactly SSJ, but actually SSJ2 or a kind if SSJ2.5, as the hair is more like a midway between SSJ2 and SSJ3. It could explain why Goku stated those two specifically and not SSJ, after all Goku has already seen Gohan in SSJ2 so it's strange for him to call that out unless Beast was closer to SSJ2 than SSJ. It could be why Gohan had such a power increase, as he jumped over Ultimate + SSJ to Ultimate + SSJ2.
Idk if this makes sense but it’d be kinda dope if it somehow turned out to be a human transformation(like human equivalent to Super Saiyan) so suddenly the humans are like “if we figure this out we can be hitters again”
I would like this "Beast" to be something that every human can do, not like everybody can transform into Beast, but like depending on their training and techniques, they gain some kind of abilities. Like a Bankai
Anyone else notice the difference in the Beast in this comic and the last? He has no pupils and his hair is much shorter. I think one version is his rage boost while the other is the version Piccolo taught him how to utilize.
When it first appeared I thought it was a form of Super Saiyan 4 mixed with potential unleashed. Basically his hybrid blood pushing its boundaries of what power can be.
My head cannon is that goku and vegeta capped out their potential with normal ki back in the buu saga and beast is goahan's potential with normal ki. Meaning gohan could rival gods with just his mortal potential and normal KI. Only reason goku and vegeta have gotten so far is thanks to god ki being put on top of their transformations and techniques.
Now imagine if gohan just decided to taste god ki out of curiosity, where super saiyan god is just base with god ki and blue is the super saiyan version, and what gohan could do with it
It also makes sense whenever you consider how Goku achieved his own rage states at times.. like false Super Saiyan, even Broly can be a progenitor of this concept. I like to think beast is a form of this concept.
I did also think beast could be a sort of fusion of ultimate and his saiyan side, I mean it makes sense for beast to be an evolution of ultimate but since it's called beast and was awakened by rage that made me think of the saiyans. Plus, it kinda goes along with what he said in the anime ToP, "an ULTIMATE form no SAIYAN has achieved."
I think the simplest way to describe it is a culmination of all of Gohan's power. It's super Saiyan (or super Saiyan 2 you could argue) mixed with Gohan's rage. Tbh people can probably ignore the "ultimate" form entirely. All the elder Kai did was artificially bring out Gohan's potential (which as we know comes from his signature "rage power") to be used as a new form without getting angry. It's completely obsolete now that Gohan knows how to master his emotions and super Saiyan ki himself.
When the old supreme kai unlocked Gohan's potential, ultimate was the result of his potential being unlocked basically making it a base form and not the peak of his power with his unlocked potential. Basically, beast is Gohan's unlocked potential super saiyan form of ultimate which is his unlocked potential base. This is just like when Gohan went super saiyan 2, after the training in the HTC with Goku, his potential before had been unlocked but had never reached the peak until his rage moment. Also like when Goku went super saiyan God, Goku had potential in god ki and super saiyan blue was the peak of that. I overall just love Gohan's beast form and although its introduction was kinda out of the blue, it was still fire with the effects and everything so similar to his SSJ2 and oozaru transformation :)
So basically he mixed mystic energy ki with his normal raw ki at the same time with his rage pushed his ssj to the basic limit and pushed his mystic for, with it
So when Gohan transforms into Beast Gohan, he is in his Ultimate form already because he re-awakens it. He is transforming into an Ultimate SSJ2 but also with the oozaru rage like he had as a kid. He kind of has the best of everyone. Broly's form with Super Saiyan with Oozaru power but he can't control the Oozaru power like Vegeta could. He's beyond SSJ like Goku and his power is unlocked by Elder Kai. Realistically he is the most powerful but he slacks off
Ever since seeing him transform I thought Beast was basically an Oozaru Ultimate potential unlock. Stacking Super Saiyan 2 over Ultimate base after two potential unlocks from different sources.
Akira has given up on DB and doesn't bother to make it make sense. Theres no way ssj3 could be felt from Beerus world that much. Gohan also said hes given up on saiyan transformation and is trying to get stronger with his human side in ToP. In anime, mystic was on par with Ssb, in manga, he beat Kefla with mystic so to say its ssj2 or ssj3 makes no sense.
I thought it was interesting that the boys brought up his Ultimate form, because Ultimate has that white/silver energy to it. If Super Saiyan Blue is just going Super Saiyan on top of God Ki, why not have Gohan be able to go Super Saiyan on top of Ultimate? We’ve seen Rage Trunks using Super Saiyan 2 on top of his Supreme Kai training to get his form, so why not? Goku is using the Angel path, Vegeta is using the GoD path, and their boys are using variants of the Supreme Kai path that suit their personalities and families. It all parallels quite nicely.
One amazing thing about the db manga is the different paths of powers, namekian dragon god form, hybrid saiyain beast and ultimate form, ultra ego, ultra instinct and black form for frieza.
Which is exactly why I refuse to accept this SSJ Oozaru theory until explicitly stated by Gohan (from a position of confidence, not a speculative theory) or Whis. Because Broly already does that, and it would be incredibly lame if Gohan's path is a mirror of his.
Beast has red eyes like an Oozaru, hair that looks like bigger SSJ2 hair, and is a form stacked on top of Ultimate. I'd say it's probably something similar to Broly's Icari form mixed with Ultimate, and then with Super Saiyan 2 stacked on top of that. If we were to give this form a power multiplier based on what we know about these forms, we know that Ultimate is somewhere in the ball park of SSJ3 power. It's probably stronger, but let's lowball it to SSJ3's x400 multiplier. We take that x10 by adding the Oozaru multiplier which puts us at x4000, and then we multiply SSJ2's multiplier of x100 on top of that for a final multiplier of x400,000. These multipliers aren't necessarily strict truth, there's evidence of forms having varying multipliers based on various contexts such as training, battle damage, and emotional state, but this still serves to give us a rough idea of how strong this makes Beast. We have only just begun to see Gohan's sparring match with Goku, but so far it looks like he's at least able to put up a fight against Goku's MUI which might eventually help us with scaling the multiplier of that form.
In super, ultimate has around the same multiplier as ss blue in both anime and manga, so we should scale from there, as the multiplier you gave for beast would put it wayyyy below mui, which is definitely not the case.
To think "El Gohan Blanco" will become cannon, what time to be alive
Heh, Lythero reference.
just need El Hermano to come into the story now
@@archerburch886 not rlly originally from lythero but yuh
@@archerburch886 no, no it is not...
*canon
I believe this is the Super Saiyan form of his Ultimate form. Think about it. In his ultimate form he's pretty much in base form but with his true potential unlocked. Beast is him going Super Sayian in that form
Heck DB Xenoverse 2 DLC confirmed that Beast Mode can be access by humans(in a similar way that Gohan does with the hair and stuff) so if you find a human and give him the Elder Kai treatment then he too can access Beast mode.
If it was just super Saiyan in Ultimate, there's no way he would be this strong
Edit: Okay I think I realise what you mean. It's not like Super Saiyan mixed with Ultimate, like what SSB is, it's just Gohan's rage being unleashed while in Ultimate, like a Super Saiyan version of Ultimate, if that makes any sense
@@MinorPumpingIron it's ultimate ssj3 mix with the power of a super human
@@godlion9808 what?
@@MinorPumpingIron gohan would actually be that strong
Gohans hair reminds me of when number 4 from kids next door parodied the super sayain form
BAHAHAHAH YOU'RE RIGHT
I’ve been thinking that ever since it debuted and I’m glad someone else said it lol. Still love it though.
@@dlgraves00 same, I just wish it was more earned rather then just popping up
I hate the look of beast. It's so unoriginal. They gave him the same color hair as MUI for whatever reason, and then just puffed it up. I loved ultimate Gohan because there was no fancy gimmick, it was just him at max power.
@@RagingRevine Ultra Instinct didn’t invent the color white, hell even Zamasu did it first.
Goku is very rarely shocked by someone’s power,I can’t seen that shocked face on him since jiren
Homie made the same face against Moro and Black Frieza
@@jessechatmanchatman1646bro acted like something new happened and this is gonna happen again it’s not like toyotaro is done making forms 🤑
Uh no ?
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Homie has made the same face since forecer with every new enemey wyn "rarely"? Lmao
His Ultimate form is the form he got through getting his potential unleashed by the old kai, it had nothing to do with his rage that kept him alive throughout the series. Against Raditz, Frieza, Cell, he always used rage and emotions to become stronger, which is in a way the Super Saiyan transformation. So, he got his Ultimate form through his potential and combining his somewhat calm spirit of his Ultimate form with his rage, you get Beast.
Kinda reminds me of how Goku achieved SSBlueKaioken.
I still may not like the Beast form, but this gives me an actual understanding of what it is and makes me respect it. Thanks for the idea!
We always knew that though...
But people are dumb
The movie gave us all we needed through visual story telling
Now that a big stretch. There is no explanation besides power up, making him relevant and retconning ideas is all
@@toniluna4597 Sure, but for every change, contradiction, you need to have a new explanation to make the story work.
It's always been foreshadowed Gohan has crazy potential since Raditz.
Nahhh, really?!
yeah that was ment for ssj2 not beast tho
@@xrtd_kobi yes
@@potetto3978 don't forget that outburst of energy /Ki Gohan had when he was training with Piccolo, also that time he fought with 1st/2nd form friza on Namek when Guru unlocked his potential. Also during the Buu Saga too
Its crazy to think how far gohan's potential reaches with only normal ki. He long surpasses goku and vegeta if it wasnt for them learning to harness god ki.
This got me thinking about the contrast between Gohan and the two pure blooded Saiyans. As we know Goku and Vegeta are very dedicated to gaining strength and constantly surpassing the person they were yesterday whereas Gohan is often known to slack on his training. I'm starting to think that the main cause of this is his humanity since he's only half Saiyan. Whenever Gohan isn't training you wont find him loafing around doing nothing, he's either working on his studies or career or looking after his family. His humanity makes him have a desire to divide his dedication to both his strength and his life on earth, he wants to be a strong warrior like his dad but also wants time to live like a normal earthling and this is why I think Old Kai unlocking his potential is so important as it allows him to maintain his lifestyle of juggling training with his day to day duties on earth as he can keep up with Goku without training so hard. I feel like the point of Gohan in DBS is to be a contrast to how Goku and Vegeta were so quick to begin abandoning their mortality as divine power would get them the strength they long for, Gohan on the other hand values his humanity too much and wouldn't want to abandon his lifestyle for strength, Unlike Goku and Vegeta he wouldnt spent months on end training with a deity when he could be spending time with his family. Gohan is supposed to demonstrate what the peak of mortality is and just how strong a mortal can be without divine intervention. So if anyone feels like Gohan shouldn't be that powerful without God Ki I have to disagree as this makes perfect sense for his character, he'd rather stay true to himself and not abandon his mortality. This is demonstrated by how emotional Gohan can be and how the one thing that never fails to get Gohan to fight is toying with his emotions (Android 16s death and Piccolo being hurt by Cell Max for example) and once he's been set off he usually fights way more aggressively and stops pulling his punches, pretty beastly wouldn't you say? So I understand the form to be a culmination of his mortality and the "Beast" that his mortal tendencies can cause him to become. (didn't expect to write so much but I got pretty into it lol)
I know some people think Gohan's power have come from nowhere with no training, but he has been researching ki this whole time. He have been trying to make logical sense to what him and the z-fighter are doing. He can understand their abilities on a different level. I would like to see if Gohan outlook could actually help in the long run.
RIP AKIRA TORIYAMA THE GOAT
I been talking about this being a Super Saiyan version of Ultimate. Ultimate was meant to be the final state of his power, hence the word Ultimate. However, we know how saiyans break their ceilings a lot. Broly being the biggest example of that.
I think it's a bit more nuanced. It's not necessarily his ultimate form, rather it's a mixture of SSJ and Gohan's inner rage specifically.
The ultimate form when you think about it was "Gohan's rage" / his "potential" artificially brought out by the elder Kai to be used as a new form without getting angry.
Gohan's beast form was unlocked by Gohan giving into his emotions once more, I think it completely sidesteps the ultimate form entirely. And it makes even more sense because SSJ is a transformation fueled by emotion as well. It's literally the human emotion and Saiyan emotion halves of Gohan coming together finally.
That's just my opinion though.
@@lololol924That actually makes sense thinking about it.
Beast Gohan is the Ichigo of db. Part human ki, part ultimate, part oozaru, part super saiyan.
Part Ox Demon
@@priestesslucy you know what...you're absolutely right. I totally forgot about Ox King dna
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I'm not sure if you are joking as nowadays it's insanely hard to tell, but Gyu Mao was never a demon. He was always a human. They called him Demon King because of his strength.
@@hououinkyouma3864 please show me in the manga where Gyuumao's parents are both identified as humans.
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That isn't how it works. You made the claim that he is a demon. Prove it. Show me ANYWHERE that states that he is a demon.
Because quite literally nothing implied that. I'm so tired of so many moronic headcanons
I think Beast is just an evolution of his Mystic form
yeah, like Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan
It's Ultimate/Mystic in Super Saiyan 1 or 2 mode
Mystic+Ssj2+Rage Form i think@@raseruuu3742
If you go back to the manga volume where Piccolo first takes Gohan to the wilderness at age 4, he tells him that he's going to bring out his "beast" power through training so that he'll be able to use it all the time, not just in emotional bursts.
Toyotaro & Toriyama really went back all the way to the beginning of DBZ when designing Gohan Beast!
SSJ2 + Ozaru Beast + Mystic (Ultimate Form): Beast Gohan.
100 × 10 × Mystic Boost..
So basically, 1000 × Mystic with Gohan dormant ability. Does make sense since Mystic Gohan could be seen as a 6 - 7/10 compared to SSB Goku.
If Broly learns control preferably spirit control he may have many untapped avenues in terms of transformations similar to this
He doesn't need it. Broly has barely even scatched the surface of his potential. He just needs to harness his rage.
broly uses the great apes power. if beast is linked to great ape, then broly would be using a similar tranformation already
I love tht goku is always suprised at gohans power, like bro he’s your first born what u expect 😂😂
This is probably also due to his mixed blood. It's probably a form only him and the kids can achieve, which would be interesting lore wise.
Only him, he's the only one of them to have his potential unlocked, twice!
in manga whis said it's not ssj when beerus asked him. lmfao
Ngl if this is true it ruins gohan's speech about going on a different, non-saiyan path and finding a new form there
Like anything involving gohan has been consistent 😂
i agree, but in a sense, he IS taking another path because this isnt a linear saiyan-based upgrade to the super saiyan form. same with how ss blue isnt a "linear"upgrade because it used god ki instead of normal ki
It also ruins the lore of Ultimate being 100% of his potential (as a warrior) and makes a mockery of his performance in the ToP and Morro arcs if he could just go SSJ ontop of Ultimate to produce Beast.
Toriyama calls Beast the manifestation of Gohan's Inner Beast and I am praying it remains independent of SSJ
I guess he's still kinda doing his own path, I mean he's this strong without God Ki and he's mixing a lot of power paths to create his own version. It would be impossible to simply switch off his saiyan dna at will. It's always going to be there.
@@SaiyanScholarTrue, but many of us are praying this is due to his maternal lineage or at worst a merging of it with his Saiyan DNA, rather than just bog standard Saiyan stuff.
If that Inner Beast Toriyama-sensei mentions is Gohan's Inner Ox demon that would be so much more compelling than just being Broly 2.0 merging Oozaru and SSJ attributes
Goku needed help from others to reach Super Saiya-jin God, temember? He's no different in regards to needing help!
I think with Goku going the Angel route with UI, Vegeta going the God route with UE, Gohan going the Kai route with Ultimate/Beast, Broly should be given a canon SS4. The Saiyan route. That everyone else just flat out ditched.
The idea of Goku asking Gohan if it was one of the standard yellow SS forms probably stems from his experience of witnessing the other hybrid Saiyan F. Trunks being able to possess enough power in just SS2 to scare Goku into going from SS3 to SSG (manga continuity), lol.
So, of course, when it comes to his own son Gohan, who everyone knows is THE hybrid prodigy, he would think all of that power he sensed could possibly come from Gohan in a hypothetical mastered SS3.
lol love the manga hype of future trunks....
he earned it. hope he comes back again for another arc someday.
God bless Akira for giving this power to him self rip Akira he lives on in Gohan
Neat, yeah I was thinking it's sort of along the lines of SS4 and/or LSS. LSS is that raw untapped power of Oozaru without going Oozaru, utilizing its full and rising power while unable to turn into a big monke (At least that was the caveat in Z's Broly right? He couldn't go Oozaru because LSS is just that, not sure if S Broly, Kale, etc it's the same rules, hello I is anime only person here, nice to meetcha lol). Meanwhile to achieve 4 one needed to master Oozaru and push their energy and power through the Golden Oozaru limits. Beast simply looking at it feels the same as one, the other, or both together.
Speaking of which 4:30 Goku also gets that vacant look in Classic DB and GT, when he goes Oozaru and Golden Oozaru. It is a very trademark expression before that transformation, unleashing the beast within. Werewolves in media tend to do the same, that sense, that urge of the beast you within, painfully clawing its way up and out while suppressing human you.
Then yeah that white aura like Potential Unleashed, it's truly taking every aspect of Saiyans, and melding it into 1 along with Gohan's latent potential. Also curious if that or him being 1/2 human is why it can unlock. Like if it's tied to Oozaru's no reason Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, and Goten couldn't do it too. Why I mention it, if anyone can just walk up to Elder Kai, a Guru Namekian, or Shenron like Gohan, Krillin, and Piccolo to unlock more power then it feels less special. Why I suggest the human angle, I hope it's more exclusive, if Goten and Trunks can achieve it, less of an issue but... Goku and Vegeta got enough going on for them, they don't need that power or more forms, let Gohan be special.
Especially cause... hmmm... are humans in DB also descended from apes like IRL? Another angle to consider IF his human DNA plays a part, the melding of 2 ape descended species, one being more on the nose, but the other also having ape ties. Would also explain why some other humans like Roshi and Krillin can get potential unlocked, like some dormant primal energy infusing with their current selves. Gohan being 1/2 human 1/2 Saiyan utilizing both of these, all of his ancestry Saiyan, all the SS forms, after achieving SS1 and 2 himself, potential unleashed, his Oozaru dormant powers, all just a melting pot of potential and power unleashed into 1 form and power. Even the name, beast, sounds primal in its own right.
Gohan's mentality always reminded me of that quiet person that you just never messed with. It takes so long for them to snap that by the time they do, that anger has compounded several thousands of times, over and over. And its that snap we see every time Gohan switches from passive mode, to wailing on whatever was stupid enough to piss him off. He even forced final form Frieza to go back to 100% (from his "50%") after mistakenly telling Gohan how Goku "died" (lies of course), but it was suddenly a whole lot more power that Gohan was tapping into). I believe the Eng line was "you hurt my dad, you killed my friend!" Right before smashing Frieza square in the jaw.
I see Beast form as the accumulation of all that, Gohan has always had that beast within thing going for him and sometimes it came out and solved problems for him. Piccolo can see it, Goku can (though it took him a little longer to work it out) and to be fair, as much as Vegeta rags on Gohan, he can see it too. It's been a thing since gohan was still wearing a Dragonball on his head... It's just, no longer an option of last resort anymore. Safe to say he's unified the calm and the angry together into the Beast. Or so I see it of course, much speculation, very personal opinion lol.
It is whatever Toriyama/Toyotaya pull out of their ass to keep this manga going.
So basically everything since Super started
😂😂😂 haha facts. Glad someone isn't blindly bias to it all. I love it but it's totally silly transformation for Gohan. Just another excuse by some higher up to make more toys
@@hououinkyouma3864 Maybe when Toriyama saw the bastardization that is dragon ball evolution, this motivated him to make his rendition of "evolution", which became super. Thus all the revising, retconing and regression of character developments.
@@CragusMaximusPeople have been saying this bud. Have you been living under a rock
This entire comment thread is a clown convention.
Nice vid Scholar! Really like your way of viewing/analyzing the beast form.
I’ve had a theory for a LONG time that their gonna use this to introduce ssj4.
Beast gohan is just an unfinished or or un-evolved ssj4 and that goku(or vegeta) are gonna be in a fight where god power isn’t enough or just be doing some experimenting and then they will go back to their roots and try to replicate gohan’s beast form and get ssj4. Or gohan can just unlock it but that would be to much in his kit.
This could actually happen if beast gohan truly goes back to your roots.
What if it’s Gohan’s version of SSJ4? Similar to Goku’s “beast” ssj4.
To me he def looks more like the SSJ5 fan made art that was going around the internet many years ago
That's what I'm getting from this. Merging the ozaru form into a SS transformation, like SSj4 did. Beast form is Super's version of SSJ4.
I was about to comment this. Beast emits Super saiyan energy after all, not God ki
@@gunit2678 There is no SSJ energy.
But yeah it ain't God Ki
No
So beast is the form beyond supersaiyan 3 basically the supersaiyan 4 of super.
What if Beast is the "SS4" of DBS. They're both beast in their own way
Greater hair = greater power
Johnny Bravo would be quite powerful in this world
If Roshi was a Saiyan he’d be Johnny Bravo.
Rest in power Akira Toriyama
I always thought it was weird because Goku already KNOWS Gohan has SSJ2
Gohan: i'm gonna figth as a human
Also Gohan: unlocks an ass-pulled ultra instinct level saiyan transformation
PEAK WRITING
Hey, at least it's consistent, lol.
We got a hater over here so sad
I still don't buy the theory this is a Super Saiyan thing.
Yeah Goku thinks it might be, but that's just Goku speculating.
Until explicitly told otherwise, my headcanon remains that Beast is the power of Gohan's Inner Ox Demon (and it's as monstrously powerful as it is in part because he uses it in conjunction with Ultimate)
didn't know hating on bad writing was a crime@@TheNaturalGamer1
He was fight as human 4 sagas.
UI on tournamnet of power is ass pull transformation also, ssj god and ssjgodssj... Gohan always had best potential, he was The One from begin so you fanboys can cry forever now, Goku and Vegeta made you very soft.
Personally, I think you're right on the mark. When I first saw Beast my initial thought was less complex. I believe that THIS is what happens when Gohan goes Super Saiyan in Ultimate. If you remember every time he's asked after going Ultimate "Why don't you go Super Saiyan?" He gives a cocky smirk and says "I dont need it". People always assume he means transforming into a Super Saiyan would make him weaker because of how much energy it takes to transform when Gohan never said that's why he won't do it.
I love your breakdowns
That's actually what me and my friends were talking about. This form has to just be Ultimate mixed with Super Saiyan, kinda like how Blue is just a Super Saiyan God going Super Saiyan. I would imagine even while using Ultimate, with it basically being base form but a lot of power being released, he can still go Super if pushed. It's just great we finally see something like this.
I also came up with the headcanon, that this was his REAL unlocked potential and what we called Ultimate was him not going 100%.
I loved the panel right before he transformed. It was like Oozaru and Ultimate combined.
@@SaiyanScholar That was an amazing drawing for Toyo. Never really thought beast was all that cool, but the art we're seeing is mighty nice.
@@SaiyanScholar In GT Gohan was able to use Super Saiyan on top of Ultimate state.
seemed like an ordinary super saiyan to me, he said something about it's been a while since he was that furious.
Yeah, i never heard of him doing that in GT. Are you sure it's not just him in Super Saiyan?
I belive Chi-Chi's mother is Dr. Arinsu from DB Daima wich makes Gohan 25% demon, and his beast form is just Gohan going demon mode. I wode go as far to say his beast form is like Freza in his "fainal form" both form are they're base form but they have diferent form to surpres they're power, maybe Frezza's mother is olos Dr. Arinsu form DB Daima.
Ultimate = all potential.
Beast = full output
U Instinct = All focus.
Ego = All determination.
Orange = Beast for Nameks.
Orange Curry
@@inferstrike3544 …. Nah lol
Ultimate Gohan + Super Sayian 2 + “Ikari” Oozaru
That makes a lot of sense, actually.
Except that super sayian is already itself a version from the oozaru power. I don't remember exsctly it was many years ago but I think it was explained going super saiyan is unlocking oozaru power without turning into a great ape. Like taking a giant power and condesning it into the human form making it more concentrated. They can't access oozaru form since their tails have been cut off too many times they stopped groeing back, but also they only unlock super saying the first time when they have no tail. Like the body trying to access oozaru power without being able to grow into an ape. They also threw some S Cell bs science junk into it later then retconned that because nobody liked it. But basically it was saying they need a pure heart, lots of S-cells, then rage and the s-cells would cluster and build up in the body until they unlock it. And that was the explenation for why Goku was the first in such a long time to get it because most saiyans nsturally were not pure hearted enough to build up s-cells since they were raised on a planet as savage warriors stuck under the rule of frieza so they were more inclined to an angry selfish personality. Bardock was later written to get ssj because he was one of the very few good hearted saiyans also loving his family but I don't think that was cannon.
Toryama has a big track record for forgetfulness even forgot some characters existed from dragonball and he retcons or just flat out forgets things he wrote and creates contradictions on accident like the potarra earings were originally a "Permanent" fusion that was a very big point in the buu saga where vegeta really hated it and was refusing to do it for a long time. And they got unfused inside buu's stomache which was ok. But then in Super during the Goku Black Arc they made it to be only a 30 minute fusion and now ssying it's only permanent when Kai's fuse. Then again in the tournament of power for Kefla and Cale they unfused after Goku manhandles them off the arena.
So who knows it just comes down to whatever Toryama thinks is cool he will explain Beast Gohan in some special way and we just accept it lol
@@TigersLullaby125this is straight up retconned by the existence of superbroly, who already has a human oozaru transformation weaker than ssj, and possibly creates the stronger green form by combining ikari and ssj.
So basically what I am thinking is that beast is a combination of Gohan roar, unlimited natural power with the ability to draw out the power of Oozaru with in so the combination of that with Gohan’s Mystic power creates this form, which means if Goku can tap into the power of Oozaru he can create a primal ultra instinct of shorts which is where it’s basically going
Makes sense. His ultimate form is pulling out all his dormant power. Beast could just be pulling from that hidden oozaru part. Probably got locked away since he doesn’t have a tail
Beast hair is basically the Kids Next Door DBZ parody lmao
I’ve always theorized that Beast is Gohan’s inner rage fully brought out as its own transformation without any mediums.
When goku goes ultra instinct from the Start tells you he senses Gohan is really strong
They both say they're gonna start off using their strongest forms/techniques
Beast basically *one of the canonized SS4* along with ikari broly/FPSSJ
Broly and Gohan are like same coin diff side. oozaru goes.... 👀
Remember what he said to Kefla about progressing as a human, not a Saiyan? I always thought that was a chad thing to say, but also impossible. He can’t get rid of his Saiyan blood. It will always add to his power.
This is Gohan’s Ultimate Super Saiyan/Ultra Mystic. The giant hair though is absurdly ridiculous.
I've always said that its a combo of his rage boost and PU, finally at its peak.
If this doesn’t bring tears to your eyes, then your not a real saiyan…can you feel it
Nice theory,u r a scholar for real 😂
I said since day one I thought it was just ssj2 stacked on his ultimate form and just happened to look that way.
Saying eyeline are as a determining factor is wild
It's fact.
Beast form is something more sinister. Both the Dai and Whis realized the ki and the dai looked concerned, but whis felt he could teach Gohan how to control/harness it. It'll be interesting to see how it evolves. How mental would it be if Gohan became Goku and Vegtas next universal danger.
Would be sick if Beast is radiating the most powerful Demonic Qi on record.
Most powerful known demon is Dabura and he's small potatoes at this point.
Another theory: Gohan is a stunted Legendary Super Saiyan. He's Broly with much less severe rage issues (and a hell of a lot more control) and hence does not have the LSSJ state. Beast is the power of that state manifested as a 2nd stage transformation of his Ultimate form.
Its the result of moms spaghetti, I interviewed Toriyama and that was his explanation
its super Saiyan stacked on Potenial unleased or mystic, Mystic form gohan has pink lightning sparks and well ssj3 is said to be potenial unleased typed form so thats why his hair grows like ss3
At one point in time, I thought to myself that with Vegeta pursuing the path of destruction by essentially developing hakai/destruction ki, and Goku pursing the path of angelic/heavenly ki, both due to their exposure to those deities, that Gohan's power was awakened and evolved as a form of elevated Supreme Kai ki energy, due to his training with Kai deities.
Lolol "thats just how Gohan roles" 😂
Gohan Blanco
Gohan Blanka
Gohan Freakazoid @@SaiyanScholar
No
@@SaiyanScholarGohan Blanc/Gohan la bête
I thought it was implied that was the case? in the movie, he was in his ultimate form before he snaps and transformed. his transformation looks very similar to his super saiyan 2. I would simply call it mystic super saiyan or ultimate super saiyan lol
What if the Ultimate Form is sort of like a juiced up Ikari. Maybe Gohan's human dna not only amplifies the powers but also makes it easier to control. That would make Beast the Super Saiyan version of Ultimate Gohan, combining the power of SSJ, Great Ape, and Gohan's own potential as a hybrid Saiyan. Though it's also possible Beast isn't exactly SSJ, but actually SSJ2 or a kind if SSJ2.5, as the hair is more like a midway between SSJ2 and SSJ3. It could explain why Goku stated those two specifically and not SSJ, after all Goku has already seen Gohan in SSJ2 so it's strange for him to call that out unless Beast was closer to SSJ2 than SSJ. It could be why Gohan had such a power increase, as he jumped over Ultimate + SSJ to Ultimate + SSJ2.
can't wait to read this chapter!
Idk if this makes sense but it’d be kinda dope if it somehow turned out to be a human transformation(like human equivalent to Super Saiyan) so suddenly the humans are like “if we figure this out we can be hitters again”
I would like this "Beast" to be something that every human can do, not like everybody can transform into Beast, but like depending on their training and techniques, they gain some kind of abilities. Like a Bankai
basically SS4 from GT, the ozaru power morphed and maybe fused
Anyone else notice the difference in the Beast in this comic and the last? He has no pupils and his hair is much shorter. I think one version is his rage boost while the other is the version Piccolo taught him how to utilize.
Remember the Prince said on a couple occasions that Gohan has the ability to surpass him and Goku
When it first appeared I thought it was a form of Super Saiyan 4 mixed with potential unleashed. Basically his hybrid blood pushing its boundaries of what power can be.
It being similar to SSJ3 makes the crazy big hair make more sense too 😂
i believe this chapter suprised you and me both here bro and has plenty more in store for us to find out
I'm excited once again!
My head cannon is that goku and vegeta capped out their potential with normal ki back in the buu saga and beast is goahan's potential with normal ki. Meaning gohan could rival gods with just his mortal potential and normal KI. Only reason goku and vegeta have gotten so far is thanks to god ki being put on top of their transformations and techniques.
beast being available in xenoverse 2 to all CACs make it not a variant of super saiyan or oozaru, likely just super ultimate.
Now imagine if gohan just decided to taste god ki out of curiosity, where super saiyan god is just base with god ki and blue is the super saiyan version, and what gohan could do with it
Ssj1, 2 and 3 dont have distinguishable ki, its just how high his power level is all of a sudden that he thought he had to be up a stage lol
It also makes sense whenever you consider how Goku achieved his own rage states at times.. like false Super Saiyan, even Broly can be a progenitor of this concept.
I like to think beast is a form of this concept.
His Beast form must be the mastery of his control of super saiyan mixing with all of his potential unleashed ultimate form
You feel smart figuring that one out?
@@DirtyBobBojangles 😂I feel smart everyday this was more of a guess
Do a what if Raditz was the Lssj.
He already is, didn't you watch him double sunday all over the TOP?
That's pretty great theory and makes sense!
Great video
hes doing a Ozaru transformation like Broly does but with the "Ultimate" form and then going super saiyan, thats Beast.
I did also think beast could be a sort of fusion of ultimate and his saiyan side, I mean it makes sense for beast to be an evolution of ultimate but since it's called beast and was awakened by rage that made me think of the saiyans. Plus, it kinda goes along with what he said in the anime ToP, "an ULTIMATE form no SAIYAN has achieved."
I'm thinking the same thing too its both ultimate and SSJ2 combined or SSJ2 combined with the Golden Great Ape Form
I think the simplest way to describe it is a culmination of all of Gohan's power.
It's super Saiyan (or super Saiyan 2 you could argue) mixed with Gohan's rage.
Tbh people can probably ignore the "ultimate" form entirely. All the elder Kai did was artificially bring out Gohan's potential (which as we know comes from his signature "rage power") to be used as a new form without getting angry. It's completely obsolete now that Gohan knows how to master his emotions and super Saiyan ki himself.
When the old supreme kai unlocked Gohan's potential, ultimate was the result of his potential being unlocked basically making it a base form and not the peak of his power with his unlocked potential. Basically, beast is Gohan's unlocked potential super saiyan form of ultimate which is his unlocked potential base. This is just like when Gohan went super saiyan 2, after the training in the HTC with Goku, his potential before had been unlocked but had never reached the peak until his rage moment. Also like when Goku went super saiyan God, Goku had potential in god ki and super saiyan blue was the peak of that. I overall just love Gohan's beast form and although its introduction was kinda out of the blue, it was still fire with the effects and everything so similar to his SSJ2 and oozaru transformation :)
Next transformation idea: Chad Yamcha. He is exactly the same except his hair is brown.
Gohan used his base power to its absolute max! That is what determines the total power available to the sayians in altered forms!
So basically he mixed mystic energy ki with his normal raw ki at the same time with his rage pushed his ssj to the basic limit and pushed his mystic for, with it
So when Gohan transforms into Beast Gohan, he is in his Ultimate form already because he re-awakens it. He is transforming into an Ultimate SSJ2 but also with the oozaru rage like he had as a kid. He kind of has the best of everyone. Broly's form with Super Saiyan with Oozaru power but he can't control the Oozaru power like Vegeta could. He's beyond SSJ like Goku and his power is unlocked by Elder Kai. Realistically he is the most powerful but he slacks off
If Gohan can use the Kamehameha with one hand and the Special Beam Cannon in the other imagine him putting them together for a new attack.
They gonna give him the truck treatment, how they turned purple into blue, watch it go from white to yellow eventually. And he get hella nerfed lol
That would explain why gohan learned ssj2 so early his ultimate power helped him ascend where as it took goku more time learn ssj2
Ever since seeing him transform I thought Beast was basically an Oozaru Ultimate potential unlock.
Stacking Super Saiyan 2 over Ultimate base after two potential unlocks from different sources.
I think the super saiyan 2 comment was a nod to how Adult gohan looks like ss2 kid gohab did
Akira has given up on DB and doesn't bother to make it make sense. Theres no way ssj3 could be felt from Beerus world that much. Gohan also said hes given up on saiyan transformation and is trying to get stronger with his human side in ToP. In anime, mystic was on par with Ssb, in manga, he beat Kefla with mystic so to say its ssj2 or ssj3 makes no sense.
I thought it was interesting that the boys brought up his Ultimate form, because Ultimate has that white/silver energy to it. If Super Saiyan Blue is just going Super Saiyan on top of God Ki, why not have Gohan be able to go Super Saiyan on top of Ultimate? We’ve seen Rage Trunks using Super Saiyan 2 on top of his Supreme Kai training to get his form, so why not? Goku is using the Angel path, Vegeta is using the GoD path, and their boys are using variants of the Supreme Kai path that suit their personalities and families. It all parallels quite nicely.
Gohan Beast is Gohan taking his Saiyan rage combining with his ultimate form and transforming with the mixed ki evolving into something new
One amazing thing about the db manga is the different paths of powers, namekian dragon god form, hybrid saiyain beast and ultimate form, ultra ego, ultra instinct and black form for frieza.
Which is exactly why I refuse to accept this SSJ Oozaru theory until explicitly stated by Gohan (from a position of confidence, not a speculative theory) or Whis.
Because Broly already does that, and it would be incredibly lame if Gohan's path is a mirror of his.
Beast has red eyes like an Oozaru, hair that looks like bigger SSJ2 hair, and is a form stacked on top of Ultimate. I'd say it's probably something similar to Broly's Icari form mixed with Ultimate, and then with Super Saiyan 2 stacked on top of that.
If we were to give this form a power multiplier based on what we know about these forms, we know that Ultimate is somewhere in the ball park of SSJ3 power. It's probably stronger, but let's lowball it to SSJ3's x400 multiplier. We take that x10 by adding the Oozaru multiplier which puts us at x4000, and then we multiply SSJ2's multiplier of x100 on top of that for a final multiplier of x400,000.
These multipliers aren't necessarily strict truth, there's evidence of forms having varying multipliers based on various contexts such as training, battle damage, and emotional state, but this still serves to give us a rough idea of how strong this makes Beast. We have only just begun to see Gohan's sparring match with Goku, but so far it looks like he's at least able to put up a fight against Goku's MUI which might eventually help us with scaling the multiplier of that form.
In super, ultimate has around the same multiplier as ss blue in both anime and manga, so we should scale from there, as the multiplier you gave for beast would put it wayyyy below mui, which is definitely not the case.
If it is a representation of the Oozaru hoping we are a step closer to getting super saiyan 4 its all I want