I’ve trained for over 30 years, studying boxing, kickboxing,traditional Karate, Akido and systema. What I’ve learnt; the effectiveness is based on the circumstances and the physical environment you are in. In the Dojo/gym you will usually have mats and be practicing with people of a similar skill set. On the street, in a crowd, you are up against the unknown. You may not be wearing suitable clothing or footwear, and you may have multiple unknown attackers. On the street my skills/knowledge has taught me to be aware and to have confidence. Fear is your friend if you control it as it keeps you alert. Once in my early twenties, l was leaving a school gym late at night where I had been teaching kickboxing. Two very large lads were obviously going to mug me in the narrow dimly lit alley way. I sensed it, as they rushed towards me I threw my bag for the guy in front to catch. He caught it with both hands, I instinctively punched him in the chin. He fell to the floor unconscious. I picked up my bag, while the other chap tended to his friend. No one taught me that move, but my body/mind automatically figured out the best solution to live! Stay fit, alert and safe.
How would you rate Karate? I've got a 2 year old and i'm wondering what to put him in when he becomes of age to begin....I understand which arts are best, but also maybe not all arts will hook and keep a kid.....Which art do you think is best for a new child to get into?
@@toptensviewerschoice5204 I started my sons with boxing it teaches how to position your feet to maintain balance and power. Boxing is tough and requires discipline, which breeds respect.
@@toptensviewerschoice5204 The lads started when they were at primary school and lost interest after twelve months. And started kickboxing, but again lost interest and moved onto football. However, all three have just started boxing again mainly for fitness.
@@swiftcee266 I agree Krav Maga is a great system, I’ve trained in Systema which is similar. But when against weapons you are best to be aware and avoid. For example yesterday, my family and I left a restaurant and a group of lads came around the corner. I noticed, the one had a long solid object down the side of his tracksuit bottoms. I suspect it was a machete. Situation awareness saves lives.
It's that there are styles that are way less effective in actual combat than others. Take aikido for example. Against other aikido practitioners and people that don't train anything at all you'll have very limited success. Meanwhile the same person could train in an effective martial art and have great success instead like muay thai or bjj in the same situation.
@M.W.K totally agree with you. In MMA we have seen wrestlers being beaten by strikers of different fighting styles and vice versa for all fighting styles. It doesn't take away from the fighting style but the skill of the fighter being able to face and conquer the challenge the other fighter imposes
@infiniterer287W ing Chun and southern kung fu in general do not train people to utilize power punches. I trained in Wutan Kung Fu, Long Fist, Bung Bu and Seven Star Praying Mantis, and Baji Fist. Even my late sifu David Schenk said that all defense boils down to strength, power, and agility, aka being fit; including the mind.
@@fibrahim4171I believe wrestling is The gransfarher of martial arts/killing arts . Every cultures has its own form of grappling wrestling as ancient military sport
@@arielquelmeThe Wrestler follows EXACTLY the same path of civilization's expansion... it is found first in the first known civilization, then in the civilizations that emerged afterwards... There is no EXPONTANEOUS emergence... it is an accumulation of KNOWLEDGE... that spread throughout the world together with civilizational knowledge (which also only appeared once in the world and spread) Sumeria first, then Egypt, India and China, that's where the Wrestler comes from... Grapler and Wrestler DO NOT HAVE THE SAME ORIGIN... The Grapler with origins in the Wrestler is very limited... most of the Grapler has origins in more complete martial arts systems... Wrestler has always been a highly specialized GAME... very linked to physical training, limiting possibilities... that's why the Grapler was more developed, for example, in Jujutsu (a complete fighting system with all dimensions) than in Sumo or in the Wrestler styles of China and Korea... or even Europe...
I did Judo from 10 and Jiu-jitsu when I reached 16 until my early 20's then stopped. Never had a real fight until I was in my early 30's, I hate violence. Three people attacked a friend of mine and I felt I had to do something. So I stepped in. No idea what happened, it was so quick but my early training must have taken over. I ended up taking on all three and winning. I am now in nearly 60 and have not had to use it again and hope I never have to ever again. I hate fighting but it's nice to know if I have to I can.
@@michigan3690 I doubt it as there is no way we would fight. Why would we? I have interest in fighting anyone so why would I want to fight him and why would he what to fight me. Your post isn pointless mate 🙂
I spent years looking for the perfect most complete art only to realise that it doesn’t exist. If you're serious about combat you have to mix the arts, after all this is how MMA came about.
I learned silat from a dear family friend who was in the Indonesian army. He was the most brutal teacher I've ever had, but his most valuable lesson was "a fight you avoid is a fight you already won". He prepared me for the worst by never holding back when sparring. Lots of bruises, cuts, bleeding and tears, but it was all worth it. Doesn't matter what you practice, but make sure it is geared towards real, actual fighting, and not just going through the motions to get the next level.
The best forms of silat are supposed to be really good at dealing with knife attacks. I understand where this guy is coming from regarding training for sport fighting can eventually help with a real street self defense situation also. If you train to move in a crisp quick and powerful way punching ,elbows etc.its going to benefit you in a real fight. Their are so many aspects to fighting economy of motion,energy awareness,rhythm of movement. Their are to many to name,but a person who is fit and has actual punching power and has worked with focus mitts and different boxing equipment and has strong fighting spirit should care well against an attacker who isn't trained and is less fit.
@@brittscott4673 the greatest lesson of combat sports is to train yourself to get hit in the face and keep going. Something not many martial arts are able to teach because there is limited contact when sparring. It is essential for your combat readiness to be aware of what happens in your body and mind when you're hit, and to learn to react and keep the fight going.
I'm still in school, and I used to always get picked on because of my height, and that was understandable, because most asians are short and most caucasians are tall. My father knew silat, and he knew I knew he knew silat, so I remember asking him if he could teach me silat, for self defence. My father's way of training me was 'rough', a bit like what you said. But it sure as hell did work. No one wanted to bully me after i laid some kid down on the floor. If you know what I mean. And I completely agree with what your teacher said, about "a fight you avoid is a fight you already won," because it's true. It saves either one, or both, or more if there is any, from getting hurt.
Bruce Lee is the best modern martial artist. no one teaches the way in these days. the only thing people train is fighting these days. now as long as you brag and boast of your skill your a great fighter but that is your biggest weakness when the unexpected takes you out because your blind to your own reality. 30 years ago if you were an expert in your art nobody knew it because it wasent a thing to brag about it and your giving up your best advantage.
I started MMA later in life, but my wrestling background gave me a distinct advantage over 95% of the members who only started at BJJ. The tricky part was incorporating strkes into my wrestling Arsenal.
@@NANA-lq5mdI am one of those guys…and I’ll say two things: 1) I could train BJJ every day for the rest of my life and still never be comfortable pulling guard 😂, 2) much of what a BJJ student must learn is already ingrained instinct for wrestlers. In wrestling to say someone has “good hips” is kind of to say they are better than it seems like they should be based on measurable qualities (sort of like saying someone has “heavy hands” in boxing). Even a half decent high school wrestler will have better hips than even some blue belts…
I went full circle. I started with Tang Soo Do as a kid. Then started doing Judo and BJJ in college, then boxing and Muay Thai. Ultimately ended up at an MMA gym saying “I wish I knew all this when I was a kid doing Tang Soo Do.” Fast forward to me in my 40s and I’m like “man, I just miss training Tang Soo Do.” Kind of like you said, I think I just like the traditional side of it. I’d come to your gym, but you’d just beat me up…I agree with your video.
@Joshua M. all good, I don’t think it’s rude. Generally speaking it is, but similar to BJJ there is no lack of training with full resistance. Every class you have live training where you’re trying your hardest to not get thrown while the other person is trying their hardest to throw you.
If he is in Montreal I could go to his gym, but I will be using a mix of fighting styles mixed, which I use and adapt to. No one single style could I concieve of or pull off or even know what that would feel like. A chain punch I do for paratic to do fast straight jabs. Not to fight with. As well if I did do that in a real fight I am not going to chase him around doing them. If he is on the ground two fast straight chain punches might find his nose or throat though. To redirect one to the hands I might be setting you up to break out a knee cap with a kick. That is how it is used. I trap, I grapple, I strike, and yes choke. I even stumped a two foot jump straight down on a person once nearly ending them-period. So at 44 I still gladly meetup with youtubers anytime for a round or two.
Agree. My Tae Kwon Do instructor always was humble towards other martial arts and fighting techniques. Because of that he taught us to study other styles and be open to learn new things even if the dojo was focused on TWD. So we learned a little about wrestling, hapkido, boxing to name a few, because we understood that strict TWD was not going to be enough in every scenario.
@@chorto4038 I humbly disagree...though I would say that TDK alone doesn't cover everything you could need, and I don't think any martial arts does, which is why MMA is titled as such.
Our class is often rolling and falling, and doing things that aren't strictly TKD for exactly this reason. Non specific style can legitimately cover every possible scenario.
As a practitioner of Japanese jujitsu and kenpo karate, this is by far the best explanation I have ever heard regarding different martial arts. I’m lucky as both of my instructors explained that even though we have set techniques we practice, it is also the movements we try to ingrain into our memory. We may not use the entire particular technique we practiced but if an opening occurs where we can use a portion of that technique then it’s a win. Fantastic video, this is the first I’ve heard of your channel but I will definitely start listening to more.
Like Bruce Lee said,the nature of every single and separate person is going to be different,be like water,embrace everything,your truly attack is going to be the attacker mirror,yes you need speed and use to it,train your eyes and reflex on human movements and eventually you'll learn the human behave while attacking, don't claiming to be the best, on top of everybody,you need to be everybody.
I have combined three arts and they are surprisingly successful, Wrestling, Boxing and Gymnastics. People sleep on the power of gymnastics but it is brutal training that only wrestling comes close too. When i was young it gave me insane take down defence and mobility, my boxing was defence heavy and gymnastics made my clinch very effective, I could move out of the way of any strike, I could block most punches and if we clinched my balance and dynamic strength would be a complete surprise, it is an unstoppable combo i think that I stumbled into by just by accident having trained all three at the same time. I believe GSP speaks very highly of gymnastics and how it improved his clinch and defence.
I saw you included my mom's fighting art in your list at 5:03. I would argue that her style is devastatingly effective, and it does not include striking, takedowns or joint locks. But after a 3 minute conflict, you will need a week of recovery from emotional impacts , guilt takedowns and humiliation locks. Understand, it takes years to master her art, and she will keep some techniques to herself until you are "ready". Lemme know if you want her to stop by your gym. 😉
Eddie Murphy explained this in his skit 40 years ago , shoe throwing Mama . You can run and hide but that shoe is going to find you , it will track your arse down and whap .
One thing I noticed while jumping between martial arts is that what you're saying about the the 3 style is true, the biggest difference between them all comes down to how they execute these movements which ultimately affects how they look. Boxing for example, uses hip rotation, core strength, upperbody and footwork to generate their punching power, which is why they have the most number of non-linear punches compared to other martial arts. Wing Chun uses spinal structure, core, some hip rotation and elbow(punching from the elbow) to generate their short range power but not long range, so their punch is very linear. Bajiquan tries to generate maximize their power using multiple body movement at the same time, so the same punch and elbow can look completely different depending on which movement you use and omit to generate power.
Nice breakdown. I agree with your views presented in this video. Traditional Japanese Jujitsu incorporates strikes, locks, kicks, throws, chokes and grappling. We also learned how to focus breath or blood into vital areas to prevent damage from impacts, strikes or chokes.
Kenpo was the first MA that I really pursued and immediately found that it had holes. Luckily, my instructor was of the same opinion and I found this out one day when he watched me spar and said, "You'd probably do really well with boxing. Wanna learn it?" Turned out he was a silver gloves champ and once a month we started doing a boxing class, and that turned into twice a month. Loved it.
Brenda Fickel, there are moves in Kenpo that are strikes that do work. I used to fight in sparring tournaments, and best other people because I used old school back fists and front and side kicks. Surprisingly, it is the basics of Kenpo that work. The advanced stuff you would never be able to pull off in a real fight. If I front kick someone before they get to me then I can run away usually. I trained under Joe palanzo, who was Ed Parker's predecessor.
My base martial art was TKD. My parents put me in it as a kid; I trained it for 30+ years. I’ve also trained BJJ, aikido, hapkido, Japanese jujutsu, kali, Muy Thai, iaido / battojutsu, and on. Name it, I’ve trained it. That said, I’m a former corrections officer. I have been the first guy in on riots. I’ve been attacked. I’ve gone hands-on so many times it all blends together. I could not tell you the number of physical altercations and restraints I’ve been in. Whatever martial art you train? It’s not enough. It’s incomplete. You absolutely need to train in any / every martial art that you can, you take what works for YOU, and discard the rest. In the end, you build a system that is customized to you, your temperament, your physical abilities and skill sets. That is the best martial art, or I should say combative system for you. NAO fite me! You’ll lose. Just kidding. I’m old, beat up, and just go for my .357 these days ;)
Viet Vo Dao, Engolo, Turon? Most people can't name more than half a dozen Martial Arts, here you named all the same ones popularised just about everywhere around the world, the "pop arts" so to speak, I named 3 (6) arts, did you study any of them? In Vietnam alone there are hundreds of Martial Arts (claimed 500+, almost each village has it's own!), so anyone who claims to do any martial art I can name will come unstuck pretty quickly, especially if they only have a narrow idea of the breadth & depth of martial arts in cultures around the world...
This video here is a great example of what I been doing. I did Shotokan Karate for 5 years and recently been doing MMA involving Muay Thai, Boxing, Wrestling, BJJ, and Judo. I took what worked for me from the times I learned Shotokan Karate like the stance, the Karate Blitz, and chambering kicks to make myself a more well rounded fighter mixing in my Karate with the other style…. Something like Lyoto Machida’s 💪
I did it backwards. I learned muy Thai first but I like side kicks and blitzes like machida so I figured out how to set them up and use them against Thai/ kick boxer guys. They aren't used to it so it lands often.
I thought I was gonna hate this, but I actually agree. I think this is why you have to train the fundamentals of whatever category your style is in if you want any realistic chance of efficacy. Case in point, I've trained FMA for years, but we had boxers in our gym to give fundamental boxing training...which made how we trained some of the empty hand techniques far better. Most styles are just the icing on the cake of their corresponding fundamentals. Liked and subscribed!
Nail on the head there. You gotta know your stand up, clinch, and ground game. Your respective style can add flavor and strategy to those things, but without the universal fundamentals, you're just repeating choreography.
Yeah the things that make empty-handed arnis better is boxing. They box all the time every where in Filipino communities but a lot of modern guros don’t spar.
Kali and boxing do have it s similar traits. And they are not that far off. I have read somewhere some of the best Filipino boxers do train the Kali footwork.
As someone who practices several martial arts, including aikido (and its variants), uechi ryu, and kickboxing, I completely agree with everything said here. He provided a pretty nice breakdown of basically every martial art there is.
I'm sorry but I find this explanation too vague, too general in it's point... Striking, Wrestling, Grappling.... (But in what scenario..).... Here are some realistic points I'd like to add: 1) PHYSICAL SIZE.. (Would a 4'10" lady, no matter how well trained in those three categories, defeat someone as big and strong like Eddie Hall or Brian Shaw??) 2) AGE (Ali and Tyson were unstoppable during their prime, but not as they grew older..) 3) CHARACHTER (Tyson said, everyone has a plan until they get hit.. How do you react when you get hit??..) 4) MASTERY (Bruce Lee said, the best definition of mastery is when the moves become AUTOMATIC.. Fear, Panic, Confusion will come when someone bigger is attacking you.. It is important for the technique to be AUTOMATIC so that you'd be able to fight even if FEAR dominates your mind.) 5) REQUIREMENTS FOR A GOOD STRIKE: -Speed -Power -Toughness of your striking hand -Accuracy -Reaction time
This is probably the most balanced simplistic video of seen on your no matter what style you practice they all break down to those three elements at the end of the day❤
Nice video! I myself have a Kyokushin brown belt, and while I do enjoy wearing gi I did not choose my art because of that. I choose it because of the whole package that no other art seems to have. The brutal training with bare knuckle punches, the kyokushin mindset and conditioning, the samurai and Japanese philosophy, the beautiful and powerful katas with meditation and breathing techniques, the Japanese culture, philosophy and respect, and also the grading system which gives a linear and clear goal of something to always improve and learn, you can in fact spent your whole life on kyokushin but still never be able to reach 10th dan, which is what I love. And also by not allowing head punches you keep your brain cells in the long run, so it's a good combination of everything. I love that a lot of people in my dojo are 40-60 year olds who still train and fight hard, there is no age to the art which is beautiful.
I first started Kyokushin when I was 11 (56yo now). My club was well established and had national heavyweight champ in competition. I also studied Kendo later in teens under shihan who was one of the first men to successfully complete the 100 man kumite in Japan (John Jarvis). I still call it the meathead style. Affectionately, because it's true. Finesse? Ah no, that's not Mas Oyama's thing. You are so right about mindset tho', and the idea of mind conditioning through physical conditioning. BUT all that knuckle and floor stuff, muscle and grit over finesse, conditioning and hard movements really wears on the body of old practitioners. It's a good base to learn what traditioonal "martial art" means and feels like but it's very limited in the breadth of things there are out there to learn.
I won golden gloves joined Hapkido because I did not want to continue knocking people out. I found the martial artist lacked footwork so I could easily knock them out when I wanted. It was hard to train when there was an obvious lack in a basic skill. But I played along although my partners knew I had a major advantage. They thought I was just really good when it was just a skill that could be learned just was not being trained there. I think it is a good idea to learn basic skills then bounce around to learn street skills that actually work in the street. Never go to the ground in the street unless you know you are alone or you may get kicked in the head by someone!
@@micker9830 its hundreds of millions of street fight videos where it doesnt go to the ground. why would i go to the ground on hard ass dirty concrete *on purpose* ?
You're absolutely correct! It's also true that no matter how many forms you learn or how complicated they get, and real life situation, the simplest moves are the best. In a real fight or in a ring everyone uses the most basic techniques.
true but not all have the same basic instinctive techniques, repetition creates the reflexes. In a street situation a sport fighter will naturally guard deflect jab hook uppercut or other simple and effective combo, and the most basic for a martial artist or self defense well trained could be a faint to ease the situation open handed get close blow a spearfist in the throat, groin or or tiger slap in the ear. Those kind of stuff not very difficult for both fighters because its their natural move of all year in the gym cage, or dojo or else...
A lot of people are giving their opinions on street fight s, but how many have actually been on one , the one thing that martial arts can not teach you is aggressiveness and confidence. You eighther have it or you don't have it, that can actually make the difference on the outcome of a fight
@@topgun6674 yeah tahts why i think kickboxing/thai is good becasue youre prepared for everyhing. styles like krav and wing chun are set to block certain attacks. but if youre in a fight and someones tackling you and jsut throwing random punches those two are not wroking
There is a lot of wisdom in this video. I trained in Kempo, Tang Soo Do, and Hapkido for years. After years I found a gym that trained MMA style. I brought the strengths/elements of the martial art styles that I had studied for years and applied those in the MMA style of training.
I have been doing a very old school traditional form of Tiger Claw Kung Fu for almost 30 years. I've been teaching for half that time and find myself completely agreeing with everything you're saying 100%! In fact I've been saying a version of this for years. I've been in hundreds if not thousands of fights in sparing and tournament and every single one of them has been a version of kickboxing. Much of our system is kickboxing with some grappling. The most successful member of our system had 47 wins and in 1 loss and was a 19 title champion Paul Vizzio in kickboxing. I've watched dozen of Kung Fu tournaments with styles ranging from Wing Chun to Choy Le Fut to Eagle Claw to Hung Ga and the fights are all versions of kickboxing. Do some of our style specific techniques come into play? Yes, sometimes but it's all kickboxing/grappling in the end. Even our 86 year old Grandmaster says all styles are basically the same, the difference is you. You make the system great, the system will not make you great.
@@santicheeks1106 Yes, if done slowly and very gradually. I would say it's essential to any martial art. It works on creating micro fractures that when they heal the bone becomes much stronger and able to withstand the pressures of striking. However, if done too hard too fast you can permanently damage the nerves in your hand. Also certain Chinese liniments help in the healing process.
@nighthawk292 I used Dim Mak accidentally by doing a fast spinning back fist while sparring with my brother. I struck my brother very quick, yet lightly by control to the right side of his neck. What happened was it quickly sent blood up to my brothers right brain from his carterid artery. This caused him to be completely paralyzed on the left side of his body, like an artificial stroke. He says it was the most pain he ever had until he broke his rib whole long line fishing. Fortunately, he fully recovered after about fifteen minutes. Later, I learned it is a Dim Mak move.
This is a great video. I've done TKD and MMA for 15 years and I can understand when other martial artists get in their feeling about this topic. Keep up the great work on this content!
I am a 4th degree black belt in American Kenpo Karate and I agree with much of what you have to say. I also trained in Taekwondo, Tang Soo Do, Shotokan Karate, Ninpo, Aikido and Freestyle Wrestling. Yes, it ultimately does come to the three styles you state. Learning that is what the various styles do. In Kenpo we put them into long and short forms. That is just to learn, in a fight we all utilize what we need and when we need it. The firms just aid in training. American Kenpo was quite effective in its time because it blended several styles. Ed Parker our founding father so to say had a black belt in judo and was a golden gloves boxer. He studied karate in Japan and then sort of blended the best frim those styles. He taught us to get uo close and personal with our strikes which is more like boxing/kickboxing. Ge incorporated joint locks and throws from Judo. Its weakness is on the ground and where wrestling and Jujitsu come in. Id always wanted to learn BJJ, but no schools were around. In my childhood and teens I bounced from style to style as my parents moved, but in late teens and adulthood i focused on American Kenpo Karate and a touch of Hawaiian Kempo as to get good at one. I taught Kenpo Karate for years FOR FREE to kids at the church as to keep martial arts alive. This area had a lot of poverty and many kids would not have ever had the chance to learn. Unfortunately covid sgut down the program and i ended up getting covid and ruining my lungs. I'm looking into opening up the karate school again, bit letting my oldest son be lead teacher. He and i joined a BJJ gym. I am slowly learning with limits as ove got bad lungs, 5 herniated discs and arthritis from breaking my back. Im only learning BJJ as it was a lifetime desire ever since seeing the rise of the Gracie brothers in the 80s and 90s. I don't expect to ever be goid at it, but will learn what i can. My eldest on the other hand is picking it up incredibly fast and is wanting to move on to MMA. Am i upset? Absolute not!!!! He doesn't want to destroy my Kenpo Karate, no.....instrad he wants to being BJJ and MMA into my studio. He plans to teach traditional (gi) some nights and no-gi modern other nights. A true martial artist doesn't resist improvement, but embraces utilizing what works.
Good stuff brother ! Great to have another generarion learn the art form(s) too. Im 67, in pain everyday but continue to train Amerucan Kenpo and Small Circle Jujitsu. Ref: Castoldi Jujitsu. Hope I never have a street fight, but I am very prepared as I guess you and son are also. Keep training brother. Brad
I'm a hobbyist writer who's tried to understand these concepts for a couple of years now. Thank you so much for compiling my thoughts so clearly for me. It finally makes sense!
I entered Kenpo as a mid teenager. My instructor had a class after his class that taught a mix of things to survive in real fights. People going to jail and with a bounty on their head would join. You always have to have the right tool in your box. He didn't just teach unarmed combat, but a lot wasn't coming to a fight with a weapon. A lot of it was situational advice in how you can find one if needed or an escape plan.
so what would be the right tool in one's box then? also, they accept people going to jail and people with a bounty on them like no rejections whatsoever?
@@davidchang8428 Tohei Sensei used to answer the question "what if they have a machine gun?" and he said: "If they aren't close enough to step inside, Run, but not away but at an angle to the side", seemed like a good metaphor.
This video gets a 10 out of 10. I became a black belt in Tae Kwon Do when I was 14. Been in 2 actual street fights since then and realized quickly I was also fighting the pavement beside the other person. The 1st fight ended up wrestling the other person, on the pavement, having him submit just bf I was about to put my elbow through his nose. He also had about 80lbs on me, same height. The 2nd fight I was much more precise with my kicks and punches and knocked him out right bf the cops got there. Grappling and wrestling are essential along with strikes bc if you don't settle it fast ending up on the ground is inevitable.
My brother is a black belt and then there's 2 more of us, a Brown and me at Red (as kids that is). My first major fight on the street getting jumped I was 16 and I quickly found myself on the floor. Luckily I was able to use the pavement as my brace and kick the daylights out of the balls of the guy who just punched me and when he crouched his head down in pain I let his chin have some of that too. He was out that fight and it saved me having those distancing kicks after I got up, but I was totally out of ideas on the floor. An my punches were just wild teenage hooks lol. A couple years later I buried myself into an MMA concept school, before that was a popular term. TKD helped me with balance, judging distance and moving in and out fast but my hands were really lacking in my young days because of that style.
I have done a bunch of different martial arts over the years. My fighting style - what I have used in the security industry and in the street - takes little bits from all of them and combines it into something that works for my body and my instincts. I know enough ju-jitsu to defend against it and get up off the ground against most opponents. Unsurprisingly, this is my advice to everyone. Learn a whole lot of techniques, then work out what works for you.
Exactly the same here mate. 29 years training, done various styles, some great, some bs. I’ve been in combat situations both, in the street, sport, and then in security for just over a decade. I will add, those different scenarios have led me to take different approaches
I don't think that anybody with actual martial arts experience, who is familiar with different styles could be mad at you, because this is simple, distilled truth!
Great video. In our black belt test for Tang Soo Do, there was a self defense portion. I'm 6'6" and 330lbs. I simply used my size street and fighting techniques to easily beat the 2nd and third degree instructors. Our lead instructor always stresses that TSD is an art, fighting is something entirely different.
Firstly, one thing a lot of martial artists ignore is the fact that size DOES matter. There are no secret techniques to beat a bigger, stronger opponent, you just have to be a good enough fighter that you outdo the size disparity. And secondly, yes, I agree, TSD and similar styles are an art form - a method of self expression, and that’s totally okay. Not everything HAS to be about fighting. Just be honest
I actively train Muay Thai/Muay Chaiya and Jiu Jitsu but have also trained wing chun(still practice 30 minutes daily) and I totally agree with your comment regarding Silva. I've also watched a video of him on a wooden dummy and he wasn't using standard wing chun as I know it and at one point literally looked like he was slapping it open handed. Wing chun is very useful but it is important to think about the context. First, it isn't a "practical art" and instead it is a "conceptual art" and it is a "dead art" vs a "living art" meaning the tech is set by some source that can not be question and the system doesn't grow(unlike Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu where whatever works within the rules wins). Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu are examples of practical arts. Wing Chun, and most martial arts with forms, are conceptual and some more or less on a spectrum between pure concept and some mixture of concept and practical use. Wing Chun forms are almost entirely pure concepts and the concepts are useful but imho only if you already know how to fight. Just as an example, and a relevant example imho, no one punches in a real fight like you see people punch a speed bag. I know several techs on the speed bag that are actually hand fighting where I'm using it to clear their guard as a setup for some other strike. Wing chun is basically a bunch concepts like speed bag drills and you either have to have someone who knows how to use it practically in a real situation against a skilled opponent or just figure it out on your own.
30 years in: my choices - RenBuKai - Kali & Escrima, Krav Maga. I have trained many other styles as well & I am glad I did. I started training my grandson when he was 3. He is 23 now & training MMA. I am very impressed with his training.
I started my martial arts with Taekwondo in elementary and practiced that for 3 years but was really concerned about the, in my opinion, over-emphasis on flashy kicks. I got into a scuffle with a friend's older brother, nothing serious, and he floored my the moment I lifted my foot off the ground. That was a hell of a shock for me. Moved to another state in middle school and started again at a Goju-Ryu karate dojo. This place was cool because it didn't just teach you the traditional karate stuff but also went into jiu-jitsu and judo and occasionally brought in some wrestlers who vigorously taught me how to sprawl, double-leg take-down, and control my center of gravity. By high school I started mixing in some boxing with my stand-up karate strikes and felt pretty comfortable with how I could handle situations. I only got into 2 serious fights in school and both were won thanks to getting out of a football tackle and following through my punches (each only took 2 punches). I'm not the strongest or best and wasn't at all at my dojo, but just knowing those things really saved my ass from being humiliated. I still liked Taekwondo as it did help me with flexibility and performance once I started weightlifting; it just never ended up helpful in fighting.
Long story short. School organized a day where students could try out diff sports by local clubs. Judo it was. Me 15, blue belt in JJ, ended up sparring a junior national champ TKD. For fun ofc. Took 1min . We became best friends and he also started practicing JJ at our dojo. RIP Youri
@@DrNotEmpathetic Thx. Everywhere he went (tournaments etc) he was praised for how amazing his kicks wr etc. That 1min broke his reality. TKD is beautiful but once you step in they are so lost, literally.
In high school, we had this kid by the nickname Lil Van Damme. He was a Taekwondo practitioner (old school, mid 90-s WTF I think) and was very prolific at knocking the crap out of hoodlums in the streets with flashy high kicks. Everyone kinda admired him for that because everyone had seen wrestlers and boxers being efficient in the streets, but it was the first guy we knew who had a track record of pulling off knockout after knockout with his high kicks. I, one the other hand, also dabbled in Taekwondo, but when the time came to put it to the test I assumed my stance and the other kid simply kicked me to the groin with all his might. To this day I remember being stunned and angry: "This is unfair! This wouldn't fly in a competition", hahaha
Back in graduate school I had a friend who had been in the Soviet military, where he had trained in martial arts . During training he had broken fingers and ribs, but the important thing was they practiced to kill at full speed and did not pull punches. When he entered martial arts tournaments here he destroyed just about everybody because they simply weren't used to getting hit for real.
That's an extremely significant point that you made. Tai Chi Chuan teaches that sparring actually teaches you non-self defense. There is a different energy phenomenon that takes place when you strike someone with the intent of doing real damage in a real fight.
@ian7033 control is great, but if you are a college student who has never experienced actually being hit, it's a different story. People get knocked out in tournaments
There was an armed robbery in Indonesia. 3 armed blades robber vs an empty handed homeowner. All three were found dead while the homeowner lives unschated, he is a Silat master. I think this is the true purpose of Silat.
Here in the Philippines Kali's techniques is often used in street fights, so I can say It's effective in different kinds of fighting even with weapons or kickboxing
I retired from the 10th mountain div after 22 years and 6 combat tours. We all trained in Kali for close combat situations using a knife. I literally bet my life on Kali many times in those 6 years of kicking in doors and in-house conflicts,..at a range of 6 foot or less Kali was a far superior option than a m203 rifle with grenade launcher attachment. Now retired I carry a small 4 inch bladed knife for personaal protection.
I'm sorry but I find this explanation too vague, too general in it's point... Striking, Wrestling, Grappling.... (But in what scenario..).... Here are some realistic points I'd like to add: 1) PHYSICAL SIZE.. (Would a 4'10" lady, no matter how well trained in those three categories, defeat someone as big and strong like Eddie Hall or Brian Shaw??) 2) AGE (Ali and Tyson were unstoppable during their prime, but not as they grew older..) 3) CHARACHTER (Tyson said, everyone has a plan until they get hit.. How do you react when you get hit??..) 4) MASTERY (Bruce Lee said, the best definition of mastery is when the moves become AUTOMATIC.. Fear, Panic, Confusion will come when someone bigger is attacking you.. It is important for the technique to be AUTOMATIC so that you'd be able to fight even if FEAR dominates your mind.) 5) REQUIREMENTS FOR A GOOD STRIKE: -Speed -Power -Toughness of your striking hand -Accuracy -Reaction time
Valid points man, I saw how susceptible boxers were to leg kicks and decided to learn me some muay thai. I still spar in my boxing stance though and get the crap kicked outta my legs every week but I just pretend it doesn't hurt and hope they get bored. They don't get bored.
I did what you were talking about.. I got my black belt in karate when i was 17 way way back in the day… but I noticed at my school the training didn’t seem to be super effective.. so I started training in my garage then I started going to a boxing gym. And noticed how they trained.. bag work Pad work… everything geared toward combat. and then I signed up for a kickboxing fight.. After that l quit traditional karate. But I didn’t drop the style I just took what I loved about karate and incorporated into kickboxing.. so, my spinning kicks and spinning backfist. I appreciate the style I trained in because It gave me a unique kickboxing style but i was over the gi and traditional bowing in and out of a gym and saying “yes sensei!” I loved going in with my gym shorts and getting some good training in.
@@lawrencedroman it definitely does.. but I just had a preference for non traditional training.. and I liked the boxing punches and defense.. essentially I fell in love with kickboxing. But I have a lot of respect for my karate background.
Japanese Karate focus on Budo or martial way of life which means it is not actually focus on a combative side of Karate but on more spiritual enlightenment but back to the old days in Okinawa they did the jutsu part or the concept based Karate but now even in Okinawa they also starting to become a more like Japanese way of teaching Karate but there are some masters there teaching the old ways of Karate which is concept based or the "why" and the Japanese Karate focuses on the "how" that's why their kihon is far not so useful in actual combat. You see, Karate is design to kill or disable the person it is not actually non-consensual combat so the engagement is more closer and sneaky. And the shocking thing about Okinawan Karate is they also trained in weapons because Karate and Kobudo are partners. You don't wanna fight someone who's having a weapon ofcourse. Maybe you should re-explore Karate more and you will find some I suggest focus first on kihon why they're like that. Karate is not always a strike and it will level up your mma if you do mma.😊✊
I've trained with four grandmasters in my life. I've practiced numerous styles, from Dragon Kung Fu to Lima Lama. This is the truest thing I've seen or heard from someone that hasn't held that rank. Legit video, and you just got a new subscriber.
While on Okunawa from 1971-2972 I started taking Okinawan Shorin Ryu Matsumura. It is a close quarters combat system. I have found that it works for self defense. I do not challenge others to show off. At 73 now I still keep up with the basic forms for exercise. Thank you for your video.
After 42 years of study in a wide array of styles... I’d only call myself moderately good. Your analysis is spot on, you have to fight within those styles because it’s what it all boils down to. I’ve survived open heart surgery, knee surgery, two ear surgeries(deaf left side), I’ve been shot, stabbed, I jumped into a malfunctioning carnival ride to save some kids, I’ve had eight concussions, two rollovers, and three broken ribs. All of that has left its Mark and made it exceptionally difficult to be more that a moderate martial artist, especially with another trained individual. So I focus on all three of those areas to improve, and then I simply hope. Note: most of my health problems were congenital birth defects... except for the stupid heroics, those are all on me.
Ten years with Muay Thai, I just say the only people better than me are the people who aren’t starting fights. Old woodworking saying ~ once you start you’re already better than like 90% of people.
All martial arts have their use. I got jumped on, attempted glassing, multiple people (male and female) on me, with misguided bouncers trying to keep me restrained whilst the fight carried on. I got through it and won through strength, reflexes, taekwondo and aikido. I doubt very much that this guy has ever been in a real fight in his life.
Great video, Dominic Izzo put me onto you. My take on this is era's, I'm 55, back when I was in My late teens, early 20's, 90% of people couldn't fight. Those guys that did some amateur boxing & Karate back then were the fighters, won almost every street fight they were in. When UFC first started with the Gracies, they won hands down, as all the traditional Martial artists didn't know how to defend against the take down. As UFC evolved, mixed martial arts took over from BJJ, because of the obvious. Now here we are today, everybody knows somebody that does mixed martial arts, so there's a lot more then 10% of guys out there that can fight, so b4 when you could get away with ya Wing Chun, now you have to be excellent at the art, for it to even have a chance of working. Another aspect is fitness, most traditional martial artists are unfit, most guys that practice MMA are super fit, no contest straight away, your getting ya arse kicked period. I did Judo, Karate & wing chun as a kid, sucked at them all, why, cause some of us are born to fight regardless of style, I wasn't. Good luck with the channel 🤜🤛
@@seanwebb4291 Yeah, I think that visibility is huge. Before UFC, I don’t recall that televised martial arts tournaments were much of a thing. I guess there was _some_ stuff, there was TKD at the summer Olympics, and of course boxing & wrestling were big… but it wasn’t until UFC that *lots* of laypeople were watching martial arts in bars and at parties and talking with each other about what they were seeing. I think it convinced a lot of folks that martial arts weren’t just action movie BS.
Very practical fighting styles for most situations are Kickboxing, Muay Thai, Boxing, Sambo, Judo, Jiujitsu, Wrestling. The higher the degree of grappling, the better.
I am a martial artist and there are many things that I agree with and disagree but for the most part I would first like to say you are a very good man who understands what he is doing and saying. To be honest people who practice martial arts don’t train it as they should and take it seriously probably from many factors and especially over the years there are many changes with everything. The martial arts I practice is a system of martial arts which would include everything you can think of to breathing teqniques all the way to grappling moves. Lastly lots of martial arts are business and if they even have any useful things it will probably be taught later on.
I've been saying that strikes, locks (joint locks and strangulation etc.), and takedowns (throws, trips, tackles etc.) are what comprise all effective fighting techniques for a long time. This is spot on.
This is a really wonderful breakdown of what we're doing in the martial arts. I particularly appreciate your comments about trying to bring elements into a tradition as a way of saving a tradition. I have been an artist painting in a fairly traditional mode. I have constantly listened to people whining about other modes of making things - it's lazy, it's pointless, it's a dumb approach, the old ways are better, blah blah blah. As you say, you might as well talk to the wall. Accept what you do for what it is. If that doesn't give you enough, go to the other style and live it up. I did karate and liked the katas as a challenge and now do jiu jitsu and love the chess like challenges. They don't do what the other does and that's fine. Thank you for this breakdown
I started with boxing, then moved to Wado-Ryu and when that club closed, did Wing Chun for a few years. All have a lot to commend them, but real fighting is all about speed and aggression. Most techniques, apart from the basics, go out of the window as soon as it all kicks off. Unless it's groin/knee level, forget about using kicks, it just means you are off balance. From experience (I worked the doors at clubs for a bit), avoid the grappling styles, as you don't know who is with the person you are trying to subdue, but you can be sure that whoever they are, they will be using your head as a football if you go to ground. Use hard surfaces. If you can bounce someone's skull off of a wall with a push or shoulder barge, it will be far more effective than a punch. If they are wearing a hood, pull it over their face. Use a hammer-fist rather than a punch to save your knuckles, if you can use your elbows, knees and head at close range, they will be far more effective than locks and holds. People pick up on the speed and aggression faster than they do anything else, and tend to back off really quickly. OK, I am 6'5" and 250 lbs, which probably also helps. But more than half the battle is showing intent. If you move really fast, and with purpose, and look like you might bite their nose off and eat it, they tend to behave.
I have a black belt in Tracy’s Kenpo and agree with most of what you said. Tracy’s Kenpo has elements of kick boxing, grappling, and wrestling. Also all techniques are to be modified depending upon the attack. Best weapon, best target. Also the acronym of GETS, Groin, Eyes, Throat, and (I added) Solar Plexus (which is also real close to the liver and spleen). Keep training and producing.
Great stuff here. I've heard this expressed as the three ranges; striking, clinching and grappling. To be a complete martial artist, one really needs to know how to fight in all three ranges. You can call it whatever you want; but every single martial art that has any kind of live competition always throws the curriculum completely out of the window and turns into kickboxing the second they step on the mat.
I love BJJ still I have used Tai Chi and Wing Chun in class and they make a great difference. No, I am not saying they replace what I learned in BJJ but they do add to more performance and give me great advantages. If anything BJJ has helped deepen my understanding of Kung Fu. You don't have to choose between traditional martial arts, and modern martial sports(which are still martial arts). If you want to do MMA or something like that to build your athleticism or pressure test skills this is great.
Agreed! I'm mostly a Chen taiji guy (along with xingyiquan and baguazhang), and I was fortunate enough to meet up with some people at my college who had an open sparring group from half a dozen styles. Fast forward 10 years and 3 hours of sparring a day, with 53 people from 31 styles ranging from BJJ to boxing to TKD and a dozen styles of kung fu and I'm still taiji-centric, but I've learned to apply it vs anyone. Invaluable to cross-train.
Yeah I'd agree...there are a lot of skills other martial arts teach that you wouldn't find in combat styles. Are combat martial arts better for actual combat? Yes of course but that doesn't detract from TMA what they offer, some people actually want what things TMA has to offer.
Tao chi increased my balance massively and increased my power in kickboxing. As a fighting technique it's a no for me but it has helped. I do also learn Chinese broad sword and I'm pretty sure that's effective lol
I’m a practitioner in Kajukenbo and I do agree on the point that you will not pull “technique 12” in the street. I know 24+ forms and I’ve never used any of them in the street. The thing is, these forms are supposed to give you a concept to use those techniques or an idea, if that makes sense. I’ll say an example: I was taught a defense against a rear naked choke. It was very technical. Few years later, someone put me in a rear naked choke and I ended up not doing each step I was taught. I took concepts from about 5 other techniques and defended myself.
Great video. I think that what you are saying is basically what Bruce Lee was trying to convey with him developing Jeet Kune Do. He said, "Your Jeet Kune Do is going to look different from my Jeet Kune Do..." Because of different styles, different training regimes, different body types, and different natural ability. You strip down the messy formality that is the martial arts and you have what I like to call fighting or combat! 👍👍😉😉
Unfortunately Jeet Kune Do has become the very thing that Bruce rallied against…blind obedience to the master, exaggerated claims of fighting abilities, and fluid technique becoming set drills 😢
Icy Mike talked about this in one of his videos, essentially that, in America, the “highest denominator” would be a wrestler, since a lot of people had access to it through school growing up and it’s an effective system, so if you train to be able to at least beat a mid level wrestler, you should be okay in a fight more often than not.
@@JohnEpresent one month of consistent boxing and you should be able to defend yourself against someone untrained and same height and size. Boxing is also the number one thing for fighting multiple people so yeah boxing is of course useful
Enjoyed the video, but don't quite understand the difference between Wrestling and Grappling. I did a light search of the net and no-one explained it well. In your view, what is the difference?
In my younger days I wrestled in high school, took judo and hapkido while I was in the service, and did take some bjj when I was older. I worked as a security guard, and also got into some fights in my younger days when out drinking etc. But to be honest, I feel like the best martial art I learned was my four years of high school wrestling. Judo also was good because I learned chokes and locks, and I also could mix in my wrestling with it. I was never a big striker but could still throw a punch, but it was my wrestling and judo that really did work out in the streets in real fighting situations.
I stared martial arts in 1999. I trained Arnes (Stick Fighting), Kickboxing, JKD, some Silat, and BJJ. I was super resistant to starting BJJ and I was getting pretty good at the kickboxing I was getting taken down and tapped. I loved training stick, trapping, and some cool Silat stuff. But in the end I alway wound up using Kickboxing and BJJ. I unfortunately quit in 2003, but started back in Jan 2020, then added Judo to my current skill set. All I really do now is BJJ 3-4 days a week (no gi) and Judo ones a week. Judo is rough on my 42 year old body. I am a (3) striped blue belt in BJJ right now. I have some rusty spots with my kickboxing but I have been sparing with some amateur MMA fighters and I do pretty well with them on my feet.
I'm 60 been doing Martial arts all my life, many different styles, totally agree with what your saying, I've always agreed with what Bruce Lee always said look for the similarities, not the differences. Then you have the old masters that won't try anything different or let their students try another style, very sad, to much pride and ego. To survive in a life threatening situation you have to be a very good all rounder , special forces will have you spar with more than one opponent, then there's adding weapons to the mix, enjoyed what you said. Support from Australia 🇦🇺 mate.
I think your spot on. The problem I see with many of the pure styles is that many of the practitioners kind of get caught up in the katas so to speak. You kind of train in this really clean, formalized way and you become locked into it in a very ridged fashion and many practitioners can't seem to transition out of this mindset which just makes them really ineffective in a real fight. Basically, its not so much the style that is the issue, but rather how you apply the style in a real fight. If I had to guess, about 10% of martial artists studying a formal style are fighters, the rest are just exercising.
I like how you said, "Anderson silva is so good at fighting he can make (x) work". I studied Tae Kwon DO for 10 year from 5 to 15 and I know it is the laughing stock of the martial arts world. I have gotten a lot of respect from people who understand that it is very versatile and for as long as I have had a defense martial arts mind set. I have been able to make things work for me successfully with either talent or skill.
This has made me think. I love martial arts. I started with karate when I was young and did well but eventually quit. I did kickboxing but didn't really enjoy it as much. Muay Thai seemed too intense. Eventually I found something called KAPAP and it's so simple and contains all 3 of those elements. I started doing karate again because I want to finish what I started.
Good points. Bruce Lee said similar things and he'd studied many arts. studied with a fellow who had black belts in several as, plus much kung fu, plus he'd boxed. he suggested mastering the front kick and reverse punch. better to have two or three things you are really good at than a lot of fancy stuff. But one thing i have learned is that no matter how good you are at X, someone might have a way to negate it
This explains why Dana calls him the Godfather of MMA. Mixed Martial Arts. People keep talking about who he could have beaten if he was still alive. But these are all irreverent. Maybe he punched harder than Mike Tyson. Maybe he didnt. But he was the first who brought MMA to the world's attention. Quite honestly, if he is still alive today, so many fighters trains just as hard as he did, he may be just an average MMA fighter if he is still in the ring.
freestyle-greco roman wrestling-dad was golden glove boxer-learned some martial art kicks from friends….incorporating them is very effective…u are 100% correct
I am actually one of those Tang Soo Do guys trying to make it more functional... Overall, I really like your video here, and agree with all your points for the most part. That said, Tang Soo Do, being a Karate-based art, if it really went back to it's roots, would be a system that continues to evolve. Real, Okinawan Karate was more like MMA than what we see in tournaments today. It had grappling, wrestling and striking. It also evolved as it was passed from instructor to student, rather than being regulated by a large organization. I'm in the middle of nowhere when it comes to Tang Soo Do. There's no one else around me who does it. I use the name Tang Soo Do because it's the style I "grew up" in, but I've cross-trained in other styles, admittedly. There's a TON of techniques in TSD that are completely valid techniques, but expressed or applied poorly for actual defensives. And, there's a lot of stuff in TSD being touted as real self-defense that will get someone killed quickly. I left my association, and am completely independent now. I treat it more like TSD is my base style, rejecting that which I find ineffective, and embracing concepts that work. Again, great video!
Have you seen Daniel Marino's channel? His Naihanchi project is excellent: th-cam.com/channels/21N7Ijp_uq8dok6CKxpO7Q.html I'm one of those Tang Soo Do people, too, and really the only reason I still practice the old forms is because I enjoy reverse engineering the movements into kickboxing, wrestling, and grappling techniques.
@@TheBrianBurkett I was at triumph boxing in Indianapolis and didn’t do TSD but the teacher had the same idea. Take what’s practical and make it work for the fighter. Was fun to watch them spar. Loved their style and it looked like an intense workout.
TSD, is a very underrated martial art. Practiconers of it have some of the most deceptive Crescent Kicks, if they train at a school that puts enough attention on them. I think Tang Soo Do and Combat Sambo is a good combination that should be paired.
Instant eye roll reading the title and listing to you start. Then I got it. You're mostly correct, I'll agree w/ the majority of it. I differ on making functional a martial art you enjoy. I've done it myself because I enjoy the systems and what I have picked up. I've got JKD, Aikido, Aikijujutsu and several Kali systems for a background. JKD has made the biggest impact on how I approach everything but I enjoyed Aiki for several years based on what I learned and made function, i assumed it was a joke but learned it wasn't. I ended up favoring Kali because I can no longer fight as well as I did until mid 30's so now Kali keeps me moving and gives me a weapons base to compensate. All have something to offer but on a base level you are right I'm fine w/ anyone and their system as long as they can work something from it w/o going to a base that all can do
You are correct. Jet Li spoke to that effect once and it made sense. " we have two arms and two legs in fighting" now if we came across someone with three arms that would be different, or something along those lines. I have always said " it does not matter WHAT style you practice, but how much you put into it.
Good points. That is why I like Kajukenbo, it isn't a martial art in the traditional sense, but it is a "self-defense system". The way I have been taught it for the past few decades is that it is always morphing and incorporating fighting styles or techniques that work for each practitioner and each region. For example, my Kaju school teaches heavy on the Kung Fu and Judo side of the system and incorporates a lot of environmental possibilities e.g., using throws into walls or hard ground. Whereas the same vein of Kaju down in San Jose trains with more close-range weaponry because of the number of muggings they have there in the city. Also, at one point, we had a guy in our dojo with ALS in a wheelchair learning some Kaju, very cool. At first it seems like a predominately "Hard-style" system but look closer it is very fluid and focused on balance. The other thing I will say about Kaju is that there is a large focus on training one's mind and physical abilities to help overall with the acceptance of experiencing physical pain. However, I will say, the Jujitsu taught in Kaju, while very effective in it's own way, is Japanese and doesn't provide a lot of training for groundwork like grappling. So, I have been training BJJ as well. Thanks for the video 🙏
I disagree 100%. Tai Chi works. Go "play" with Waysun Liao or Gary Clyman. You will ache for weeks while barely break a sweat. The late Vince Black was another a incredible expert fighter and healer.
I've been doing martial arts for over 30 years. I used to think mma was sport and what I did was for the street. I've only recently come to realize everything your saying is true. Thanks for your wisdom
you make a valid point overall, where would you rank krav maga vs a street fight where you have no idea what are the skills/abilities of the other person who's coming at you (for whatever reason and regardless whose fault it is that a fist fight's about to start if cooler heads don't prevail)? If krav maga isnt the best or amongst the best options to prevail in that kind of scenario (or any other similar scenario ie: road rage fight two cars stop drivers come out and start punching each other etc) which 'martial arts' would you reccomend? thanks in advance.
I studied Yoshukai for 4 years. The attack and defense capabilities of this form of Karate discipline has suited me quite well over the years. As others have expressed our dojo has great respect for the other varying martial arts being taught.
I had a friend back in high school back in the 80's him and his brother were black belts in Tae-kwon-do , they were instructors assistants, been in the martial arts since they were kids, all these different degrees of black belts they were. Used to fly in mid air, looked they belonged in kung-fu movies, one day he got into a scrap, all that tae-kwon went out the window, the fight went straight-ghetto I did not see not one martial arts move, fight ended when they finally broke it up, it was 50-50, I will stick the motto "you may know karate, but I know chingazos"
Fortunately my Sensei was my older brother; a former Chicano gang member who had reformed his way through taking lessons with Guro Daniel Inosanto. He (my older brother) would come home from lessons so motivated that he would drag me into the backyard to continue working out what he had learned. I was taught how to throw the Bruce Lee straight lead punch in 5th grade. It took 2-years of daily training to finally get it. His best lesson, though, was after all my forms were nice and clean to his satisfaction he would then come at me with how it actually happened on the streets. Sucker punches, biting, spitting, multiple opponents, street weapons, etc. Only then will you know if your JKD works or not. It never failed me. By the time I was a sophomore in high school I was already, by rumor and reputation, rated as one of the toughest people on campus...and, I was a band Twinkie the whole time!! Hahahaha!!
I studied Tae Kwon Do for years and have had about a dozen street fights. I never lost. One on one was a joke. I fought 8-1 and won with only being hit once. Our instructor's family escaped north Korea after the war and they all taught old school Tae Kwon Do. We sparred like it was real fights almost everyday, and Saturdays we would fight for 1-2 hours straight, opponent after opponent and up to 3 opponents at a time, it was brutal. We never trained sport Tae Kwon Do. My instructor had calluses on the side of his hand and his knuckles and was a total badass. He could kick you with such power and control he would cause a shockwave to travel through your skin of your body without hurting you. It all depends on how your trained.
@@jasondykstra2835 Sounds a lot like my TKD instructor growing up. He was from Korea as well as his master. I didn’t even know there was a sport side until I was way older. He taught more than just kicks, we learned elbows, punches, throws too
A lot of blackbelts have never had a street fight or suffered a black eye and a bust nose, or put over a pool table and had a beating with a pool ball. My black belt holds my pants up. You cannot mess with the street fighters.
Well said sir. I think you're about 95% correct. The one thing I might add is that while Tai Chi is definitely a bad idea for people to rely on for self defense, there is a potential for it to be useful in combat for fighters who have been at it for over 30 years. For example, I'd get my butt kicked if I tried using it, but there are people who can use it so expertly, that witnesses couldn't even tell there was any violence for certain.
I trained for a while with some guys who did wudang tai chi. It was brutally effective. You could definitely see the violence in it. The forms were gentle, the applications not.
Most helpful thing I've seen all day. Ive been trying to learn kali and figure out how to use it to defend myself but the reality of art vs combat shakes me up a little, like there's no point or something. From what you've said, i know im just gonna have to train in those three areas and try harder and stick with what we know works using each art. Thanks man!
I've been taking Kali and we do some Muay Thai style training on the heavy bag every class, we also do hand to hand training with some joint locks and take downs so I think it's pretty good for self defense, at least where I go
Spar hard . Nothing like trained fighters coming at you hard with a knife. When I spar I use whatever I have. Kung fu, Sanda, Wrestling.You quickly find out what works
Judo was developed to be something you could practice at full speed, using all it's techniques and come back the next day, unharmed. It is a martial art, a sport, a form of self defense and a form of physical and mental education. We never called the matches in our competitions fights, (I started Judo in 1967). We called ourselves judoka (one meaning was judo player). We never saw the Kime no Kata till we reached Shodan. If you are truly defending yourself, you are not 'closing the distance', meeting someone outside, or stepping into a ring to fight for money.
EXACTLY. That is also why the techniques in Judo, Aikido, Aikijujutsu, etc, are usually demostrated against someone that is already moving in the direction that they are going to be throw to. If someone wants to attacks you but you are repeatedly getting out of their ramge, they will eventually try really hard to get to you, which will in result make many of the techniques way easier to do
After about 20 years of training in different styles, the absolute best and most practical skill that I ever trained in was the golden gloves boxing club that my dad put me in as a kid. From a teen to adult I trained Tae kwon do, Okinawan Karate and Aiki Ju jitsu and the fundamentals that I learned in boxing not only accelerated my training in other disciplines but it honestly give me a advantage when sparring in Tae Kwon Do and Karate. The form Japanese (Aiki) Ju Jitsu was the most punishing and straight up brutal displine I ever trained in, it wasn't about fighting it was about incapacitating someone in a extreme fashion, Okinawan Karate is also a hard fisted effective style. I'm sorry I don't mean to offend anyone but I came to the conclusion that unless you plan on mixing it with other disciplines the form of TKD that you're gonna learn in your local dojo is not a stand alone system, it's a sport, it has advantages but you need a hard fisted discipline of striking, blocking and grappling to go with kicks. I would sparr with anyone while in TKD and hold my own with just sound boxing fundamentals. Unless you're fighting someone who dont know how to fight a lot of high risk kicks will get your ass kicked on the street no matter how good you think you are. You want to teach your kid to protect himself, start him out boxing and if there is a high school wrestling team convince him to take part in that if not go to BBJ. At 50 I finally conceded and started BBJ after years of skepticism about its practicality outside a ring. In my opinion I still think it's not a stand alone street fighting style, but definitely complements a good stand up and adds depth to your skill level. Not to mention at my age it's not quite as hard on my body....not quite....lol
The first martial art I studied was TKD, later I went to a Karate and Ninjitsu Dojo and you are absolutely right about hand techniques. I could always get kicks in, but the moment I got into arms reached I got nailed. I had to improve using my hands. I was able to train later with the Gracies, and they have a lot of respect for wrestlers. Of course, they push BJJ, it is what they teach, but it wasn't uncommon to hear them say, if all you learn is standup fighting, you are learning half of what you need to know.
I got shoulder surgery so ideally I can restart martial arts training after about a decade of not training any "style", though I still did other stuff and would practice basics and keep fit. I want to go into the best boxing training/gym I can find immediately when healed, but got to talk to my doctor and physiotherapist about that in several months after my rehabilitation about my best options for my martial arts goals. I want to do boxing for about 6 months to get the fundamentals down and spar a bit before transferring into kickboxing or maybe bjj. I am very disappointed that my parents didn't put me into boxing when I was a kid or teen. It would have helped a lot with many things and laid a good foundation for later.
Boxing is great - but the risk of brain damage is high - even after one year boxing at my local gym another chap I started with developed noticeable brain damage - I stopped wanting to be an amature boxer after seeing what happened to him in such a short time - couldn't remember names, speak well and acted strange. etc
@@Asia-dr4yj Every sport carries risk of injury, if people can't accept that then they should stay at home in a plastic bubble where they're safe. Also that's very anecdotal and I would prefer to go by statistics of occurrence of brain injuries vs time spent boxing/sparring or average amount of head blows received. I don't think anyone here mentioned amateur boxing or doing it long term, just learning the fundamental skills to be a better and well rounded martial artist to be able to defend oneself. If one is developing brain damage in such a short time just from training/sparring I'd worry about the quality of instruction and training being recieved. Eg allowing opponents to hit the head too hard or often and similarly not drilling enough at keeping one's fkin hands up to protect the head.
Yes, every sport does carry risk - but boxing carries much greater risk due to a large focus on hitting the head with power. It is true that better coaching can help, along with reduced sparring time; but it is a very dangerous sport for those that spend time in the ring sparring/fighting - much higher than others. Going to gyms and working out using the bags and learning boxing techniques is great - however, once one starts sparing/fighting that is when the risk of permanent brain damage arises - some are lucky and some are not - just one punch with someone who has an 'eggshell skull' can destroy a life - some have died while others have become mentally unable to function normally. (Just look at the "Greatest" Ali.) As you requested some statistics and not just my own personal experience - here are some: 1. From January of 1960 to August of 2011, there were 488 boxing-related deaths. 2. The percentage of boxing deaths that are related to brain damage that occurs: 66%. 3. In several studies, 15-40% of ex-boxers at any given time have been found to have symptoms of chronic brain injury. 4. More than 18,000 children and teens participate in amateur boxing and concussions account for as many as 51.6% of amateur boxers’ injuries. 5. During a 19-year study by Nationwide Children’s Hospital, an average of 8,700 boxing injuries were treated in United States emergency departments each year.
I agree. The difference is in the fighter and in those limited effective techniques. I met a Korean guy who practiced Tae Kwon Do just for 2 years in the Army and he easily beaten a European champion who trained for decades. The same happened when I met a retired SWAT commander from Italy who, in the 70s was sent to Hong Kong to learn Wing Chun. He spent 6 month training 8 hours a day with a former Yp Man student and man, that guy is a war machine, with Wing Chun! I like your point when you say that many martial arts today lost some technique or lack in some aspect, especially if we think that in the past (when people used those skills to go to war) the arts were complete of punching/kicking, grappling and wrestling. I mean: Roman soldiers used Pancratio (wrestling + kickboxing), Samurai used the old Jujutsu with all the striking arsenal + grappling and joint locks...and so the old Kung Fu and we can go on. But the day the arts became sports something has been sacrificed for safety or whatever.
Great video and practical observation. I have always loved Wing Chun because of looking up to Bruce Lee, obviously, but I have been an amateur boxer,trained Muay Thai and BJJ before being a professional MMA fighter, and I’m always telling people that Wing Chun could be effective, if the person using it is good and knows how to fight.
As a military brat I was fortunate enough to have lived and learned so much, particularly where my journey in martial arts led me. And this video is right on point; I never officially took courses but I somehow managed to run into people who we willing to teach. Karate instructors at gyms I frequented with my dad, Tae Kwan Do instructors through friends who knew I had a capacity of the physical aspects of fighting, even Jiujutsu with some local GI's during a unique training phase of theirs off duty and all. The three main executions (striking, grappling, wrestling) are pretty paramount no matter where you look. When asked what I studied, I'd simply tell them: "Nothing. But I have attempted to master just about everything."
I've done TKD and Karate, with a second degree blackbelt in TKD. And you are right. Punching, kicking, and grappling are the moves that work. I've also taught self defence. Most of the flash from martial arts were thrown out.
Thank you! I've been having this argument about Kenpo on another video. Kenpo fighting theory and sparring ARE NOT what you're is part of the curriculum. At least back in the 80s and 90s when I studied it. We studied self defense techniques and forms for our promotions. My school did add in full contact sparring at purple belt but it was more of a survive and pass thing. That being said, Kenpo theory, as found in Parker's books, was practical.
Exactly why MMA fighters train in boxing & muay tai(striking), judo & jiu jitsu(grappling) and wrestling or Greco roman wrestling(ground and pound) these are practical martial arts that compliment each other and can be trained to build a well rounded fighter
This video is one if the best of its kind. I've found that transitioning between point karate, ITF taekwondo, & kickboxing is pretty easy if you have a base in striking (I did kenpo & American kickboxing for three years before doing 4 years of point karate and now I've been doing 2 years of kickboxing & just started ITF taekwondo). Get good in any style of striking and you'll be good in all. I guess the same goes for grappling & wrestling.
You are 100% correct. The truth hurts, but it will set you free. Ultimately in a street fight, one's preference in a specific style of martial arts is just that, preference. What you need in real life besides diligent training, is situational awareness. Remember, there are No rules in a street fight. It's survival of the fittest. There's always someone bigger, faster or stronger than you.
I’ve trained for over 30 years, studying boxing, kickboxing,traditional Karate, Akido and systema. What I’ve learnt; the effectiveness is based on the circumstances and the physical environment you are in. In the Dojo/gym you will usually have mats and be practicing with people of a similar skill set. On the street, in a crowd, you are up against the unknown. You may not be wearing suitable clothing or footwear, and you may have multiple unknown attackers. On the street my skills/knowledge has taught me to be aware and to have confidence. Fear is your friend if you control it as it keeps you alert. Once in my early twenties, l was leaving a school gym late at night where I had been teaching kickboxing. Two very large lads were obviously going to mug me in the narrow dimly lit alley way. I sensed it, as they rushed towards me I threw my bag for the guy in front to catch. He caught it with both hands, I instinctively punched him in the chin. He fell to the floor unconscious. I picked up my bag, while the other chap tended to his friend. No one taught me that move, but my body/mind automatically figured out the best solution to live! Stay fit, alert and safe.
How would you rate Karate? I've got a 2 year old and i'm wondering what to put him in when he becomes of age to begin....I understand which arts are best, but also maybe not all arts will hook and keep a kid.....Which art do you think is best for a new child to get into?
@@toptensviewerschoice5204 I started my sons with boxing it teaches how to position your feet to maintain balance and power. Boxing is tough and requires discipline, which breeds respect.
@@jeffreid7750 did they enjoy it to stick with it?
@@toptensviewerschoice5204 The lads started when they were at primary school and lost interest after twelve months. And started kickboxing, but again lost interest and moved onto football. However, all three have just started boxing again mainly for fitness.
@@swiftcee266 I agree Krav Maga is a great system, I’ve trained in Systema which is similar. But when against weapons you are best to be aware and avoid. For example yesterday, my family and I left a restaurant and a group of lads came around the corner. I noticed, the one had a long solid object down the side of his tracksuit bottoms. I suspect it was a machete. Situation awareness saves lives.
There should be a saying in martial arts: "There will always be a superior fighter, but never a superior style."
Well that would be nice but that's categorically false. Wing chun is demonstrably inferior to BJJ for combat purposes.
It's that there are styles that are way less effective in actual combat than others. Take aikido for example. Against other aikido practitioners and people that don't train anything at all you'll have very limited success. Meanwhile the same person could train in an effective martial art and have great success instead like muay thai or bjj in the same situation.
Except Pai Mai's style
@M.W.K totally agree with you. In MMA we have seen wrestlers being beaten by strikers of different fighting styles and vice versa for all fighting styles. It doesn't take away from the fighting style but the skill of the fighter being able to face and conquer the challenge the other fighter imposes
@infiniterer287W ing Chun and southern kung fu in general do not train people to utilize power punches. I trained in Wutan Kung Fu, Long Fist, Bung Bu and Seven Star Praying Mantis, and Baji Fist. Even my late sifu David Schenk said that all defense boils down to strength, power, and agility, aka being fit; including the mind.
I agree. I trained in multiple styles. Tried to take the best of each. But my favorite was track and field.🙂
Usain bolt got nothing on you
Very good !
You have mastered the first part of "Sayo Nachi" 🤭😁💪🏻
I myself practice the art of "Runyourassoff"
Ah yes the master of RunFu has no need of fight.
until you get boxed in and have nowhere to go lol
Kickboxing, wrestling, or grappling. I do understand. Thank you.
And motivation
It's Sambo.
Kickboxing, wrestling, joint-locks
@@fibrahim4171I believe wrestling is The gransfarher of martial arts/killing arts .
Every cultures has its own form of grappling wrestling as ancient military sport
@@arielquelmeThe Wrestler follows EXACTLY the same path of civilization's expansion... it is found first in the first known civilization, then in the civilizations that emerged afterwards...
There is no EXPONTANEOUS emergence... it is an accumulation of KNOWLEDGE... that spread throughout the world together with civilizational knowledge (which also only appeared once in the world and spread)
Sumeria first, then Egypt, India and China, that's where the Wrestler comes from...
Grapler and Wrestler DO NOT HAVE THE SAME ORIGIN...
The Grapler with origins in the Wrestler is very limited... most of the Grapler has origins in more complete martial arts systems... Wrestler has always been a highly specialized GAME... very linked to physical training, limiting possibilities... that's why the Grapler was more developed, for example, in Jujutsu (a complete fighting system with all dimensions) than in Sumo or in the Wrestler styles of China and Korea... or even Europe...
I did Judo from 10 and Jiu-jitsu when I reached 16 until my early 20's then stopped. Never had a real fight until I was in my early 30's, I hate violence. Three people attacked a friend of mine and I felt I had to do something. So I stepped in. No idea what happened, it was so quick but my early training must have taken over. I ended up taking on all three and winning. I am now in nearly 60 and have not had to use it again and hope I never have to ever again. I hate fighting but it's nice to know if I have to I can.
@@michigan3690 I doubt it as there is no way we would fight. Why would we? I have interest in fighting anyone so why would I want to fight him and why would he what to fight me. Your post isn pointless mate 🙂
@@rufus1346 it depends on who's doing it was my valid point
I took on 4 guys at night, one sucker punched me for the time.
Judo's pretty effective because you do it live against a resisting, non cooperative opponent.
By Jiu Jitsu do ypu mean the Japanese kind or brazillian jiu jitsu?
I spent years looking for the perfect most complete art only to realise that it doesn’t exist. If you're serious about combat you have to mix the arts, after all this is how MMA came about.
Have you tried the Genbukan
its not the art its the fighter
To shin do
Try Kalaripayattu, state of kerala, India 🇮🇳
@@fazares True, but some styles are better than others, by a LONG way
I learned silat from a dear family friend who was in the Indonesian army. He was the most brutal teacher I've ever had, but his most valuable lesson was "a fight you avoid is a fight you already won". He prepared me for the worst by never holding back when sparring. Lots of bruises, cuts, bleeding and tears, but it was all worth it. Doesn't matter what you practice, but make sure it is geared towards real, actual fighting, and not just going through the motions to get the next level.
The best forms of silat are supposed to be really good at dealing with knife attacks.
I understand where this guy is coming from regarding training for sport fighting can eventually help with a real street self defense situation also.
If you train to move in a crisp quick and powerful way punching ,elbows etc.its going to benefit you in a real fight.
Their are so many aspects to fighting economy of motion,energy awareness,rhythm of movement.
Their are to many to name,but a person who is fit and has actual punching power and has worked with focus mitts and different boxing equipment and has strong fighting spirit should care well against an attacker who isn't trained and is less fit.
@@brittscott4673 the greatest lesson of combat sports is to train yourself to get hit in the face and keep going. Something not many martial arts are able to teach because there is limited contact when sparring. It is essential for your combat readiness to be aware of what happens in your body and mind when you're hit, and to learn to react and keep the fight going.
I'm still in school, and I used to always get picked on because of my height, and that was understandable, because most asians are short and most caucasians are tall.
My father knew silat, and he knew I knew he knew silat, so I remember asking him if he could teach me silat, for self defence. My father's way of training me was 'rough', a bit like what you said.
But it sure as hell did work. No one wanted to bully me after i laid some kid down on the floor. If you know what I mean.
And I completely agree with what your teacher said, about "a fight you avoid is a fight you already won," because it's true. It saves either one, or both, or more if there is any, from getting hurt.
Bruce Lee is the best modern martial artist. no one teaches the way in these days. the only thing people train is fighting these days. now as long as you brag and boast of your skill your a great fighter but that is your biggest weakness when the unexpected takes you out because your blind to your own reality. 30 years ago if you were an expert in your art nobody knew it because it wasent a thing to brag about it and your giving up your best advantage.
@@dsolo3250 Bragging would also make people hate you because noone likes arrogant people.
I started MMA later in life, but my wrestling background gave me a distinct advantage over 95% of the members who only started at BJJ. The tricky part was incorporating strkes into my wrestling Arsenal.
Absolutely. I did BJJ for 6 years and the guys with prior wrestling experience were ALWAYS a pain in the ass to tap.
@@NANA-lq5mdI am one of those guys…and I’ll say two things: 1) I could train BJJ every day for the rest of my life and still never be comfortable pulling guard 😂, 2) much of what a BJJ student must learn is already ingrained instinct for wrestlers.
In wrestling to say someone has “good hips” is kind of to say they are better than it seems like they should be based on measurable qualities (sort of like saying someone has “heavy hands” in boxing). Even a half decent high school wrestler will have better hips than even some blue belts…
I went full circle. I started with Tang Soo Do as a kid. Then started doing Judo and BJJ in college, then boxing and Muay Thai. Ultimately ended up at an MMA gym saying “I wish I knew all this when I was a kid doing Tang Soo Do.” Fast forward to me in my 40s and I’m like “man, I just miss training Tang Soo Do.” Kind of like you said, I think I just like the traditional side of it.
I’d come to your gym, but you’d just beat me up…I agree with your video.
@Joshua M. all good, I don’t think it’s rude. Generally speaking it is, but similar to BJJ there is no lack of training with full resistance. Every class you have live training where you’re trying your hardest to not get thrown while the other person is trying their hardest to throw you.
Replace TSD with wrestling you'll be fine.
Tang may refer to the Chinese Dynasty but the katas you do in TSD are from Shotokan karate thanks to the Japanese occupation.
If he is in Montreal I could go to his gym, but I will be using a mix of fighting styles mixed, which I use and adapt to. No one single style could I concieve of or pull off or even know what that would feel like. A chain punch I do for paratic to do fast straight jabs. Not to fight with. As well if I did do that in a real fight I am not going to chase him around doing them. If he is on the ground two fast straight chain punches might find his nose or throat though. To redirect one to the hands I might be setting you up to break out a knee cap with a kick. That is how it is used. I trap, I grapple, I strike, and yes choke. I even stumped a two foot jump straight down on a person once nearly ending them-period. So at 44 I still gladly meetup with youtubers anytime for a round or two.
Agree. My Tae Kwon Do instructor always was humble towards other martial arts and fighting techniques. Because of that he taught us to study other styles and be open to learn new things even if the dojo was focused on TWD. So we learned a little about wrestling, hapkido, boxing to name a few, because we understood that strict TWD was not going to be enough in every scenario.
Tkd isn’t good for self defence
@@chorto4038 I humbly disagree...though I would say that TDK alone doesn't cover everything you could need, and I don't think any martial arts does, which is why MMA is titled as such.
Our class is often rolling and falling, and doing things that aren't strictly TKD for exactly this reason. Non specific style can legitimately cover every possible scenario.
@@FirehammerGames kudo better
TKD definitely is not the "go to" for actual self defense but if you open yourself for a spinning wheel kick to the neck.....you're fooked.
As a practitioner of Japanese jujitsu and kenpo karate, this is by far the best explanation I have ever heard regarding different martial arts. I’m lucky as both of my instructors explained that even though we have set techniques we practice, it is also the movements we try to ingrain into our memory. We may not use the entire particular technique we practiced but if an opening occurs where we can use a portion of that technique then it’s a win. Fantastic video, this is the first I’ve heard of your channel but I will definitely start listening to more.
Do some vids I’ll sub
Like Bruce Lee said,the nature of every single and separate person is going to be different,be like water,embrace everything,your truly attack is going to be the attacker mirror,yes you need speed and use to it,train your eyes and reflex on human movements and eventually you'll learn the human behave while attacking, don't claiming to be the best, on top of everybody,you need to be everybody.
I have combined three arts and they are surprisingly successful, Wrestling, Boxing and Gymnastics. People sleep on the power of gymnastics but it is brutal training that only wrestling comes close too. When i was young it gave me insane take down defence and mobility, my boxing was defence heavy and gymnastics made my clinch very effective, I could move out of the way of any strike, I could block most punches and if we clinched my balance and dynamic strength would be a complete surprise, it is an unstoppable combo i think that I stumbled into by just by accident having trained all three at the same time. I believe GSP speaks very highly of gymnastics and how it improved his clinch and defence.
A ninja is essentially a gymnast
gymnastics is very underrated. id even throw in dance/ballet
So, you’re basically a male cheerleader😏
You aren't an 80s baby are you? As they say nothing new under the sun.. th-cam.com/video/yMQmBupWJXI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=y-vkf4Queezyw_G0
Yeah, people underestimate the role of strength and overall fitness
I saw you included my mom's fighting art in your list at 5:03. I would argue that her style is devastatingly effective, and it does not include striking, takedowns or joint locks. But after a 3 minute conflict, you will need a week of recovery from emotional impacts , guilt takedowns and humiliation locks. Understand, it takes years to master her art, and she will keep some techniques to herself until you are "ready".
Lemme know if you want her to stop by your gym. 😉
So what is her art?
@@JohnConservativeart of the slipper
LOL, so true. The damage your mother can do when they hurl insists and manipulations is off the charts. It takes most men out of the game.
Eddie Murphy explained this in his skit 40 years ago , shoe throwing Mama . You can run and hide but that shoe is going to find you , it will track your arse down and whap .
lol! emotional blackmail and double binds have won many a fight!
One thing I noticed while jumping between martial arts is that what you're saying about the the 3 style is true, the biggest difference between them all comes down to how they execute these movements which ultimately affects how they look. Boxing for example, uses hip rotation, core strength, upperbody and footwork to generate their punching power, which is why they have the most number of non-linear punches compared to other martial arts. Wing Chun uses spinal structure, core, some hip rotation and elbow(punching from the elbow) to generate their short range power but not long range, so their punch is very linear. Bajiquan tries to generate maximize their power using multiple body movement at the same time, so the same punch and elbow can look completely different depending on which movement you use and omit to generate power.
Nice breakdown. I agree with your views presented in this video.
Traditional Japanese Jujitsu incorporates strikes, locks, kicks, throws, chokes and grappling.
We also learned how to focus breath or blood into vital areas to prevent damage from impacts, strikes or chokes.
Kenpo was the first MA that I really pursued and immediately found that it had holes. Luckily, my instructor was of the same opinion and I found this out one day when he watched me spar and said, "You'd probably do really well with boxing. Wanna learn it?" Turned out he was a silver gloves champ and once a month we started doing a boxing class, and that turned into twice a month. Loved it.
Kenpo is really more about sword combat
Brenda Fickel, there are moves in Kenpo that are strikes that do work. I used to fight in sparring tournaments, and best other people because I used old school back fists and front and side kicks. Surprisingly, it is the basics of Kenpo that work. The advanced stuff you would never be able to pull off in a real fight. If I front kick someone before they get to me then I can run away usually. I trained under Joe palanzo, who was Ed Parker's predecessor.
@@brendafilkel6533 I think your confusing Kenpo (Hawaiian Martial Art) to Kendo - Japanese Sword Art.
My base martial art was TKD. My parents put me in it as a kid; I trained it for 30+ years. I’ve also trained BJJ, aikido, hapkido, Japanese jujutsu, kali, Muy Thai, iaido / battojutsu, and on. Name it, I’ve trained it.
That said, I’m a former corrections officer. I have been the first guy in on riots. I’ve been attacked. I’ve gone hands-on so many times it all blends together. I could not tell you the number of physical altercations and restraints I’ve been in. Whatever martial art you train? It’s not enough. It’s incomplete. You absolutely need to train in any / every martial art that you can, you take what works for YOU, and discard the rest. In the end, you build a system that is customized to you, your temperament, your physical abilities and skill sets. That is the best martial art, or I should say combative system for you. NAO fite me! You’ll lose. Just kidding. I’m old, beat up, and just go for my .357 these days ;)
I am a U.S Marine who grew up in Jujutsu and Xinyi Quan, and I agree fully. if it exists, learn it. better to have a toolbox than just a hammer.
OK Batman. 😉
Viet Vo Dao, Engolo, Turon? Most people can't name more than half a dozen Martial Arts, here you named all the same ones popularised just about everywhere around the world, the "pop arts" so to speak, I named 3 (6) arts, did you study any of them? In Vietnam alone there are hundreds of Martial Arts (claimed 500+, almost each village has it's own!), so anyone who claims to do any martial art I can name will come unstuck pretty quickly, especially if they only have a narrow idea of the breadth & depth of martial arts in cultures around the world...
@@XxNinsunexX hello sir respectfully to your profession but i didn't get it. You mean to say that we should learn every martial art
@@agnelquadros1726 absolutely. Every system that is available to you, you should learn.
This video here is a great example of what I been doing. I did Shotokan Karate for 5 years and recently been doing MMA involving Muay Thai, Boxing, Wrestling, BJJ, and Judo. I took what worked for me from the times I learned Shotokan Karate like the stance, the Karate Blitz, and chambering kicks to make myself a more well rounded fighter mixing in my Karate with the other style…. Something like Lyoto Machida’s 💪
That's the way to do it
I did it backwards. I learned muy Thai first but I like side kicks and blitzes like machida so I figured out how to set them up and use them against Thai/ kick boxer guys. They aren't used to it so it lands often.
Tai chi has many great benefits for real fighting. The ability to sense telegraphs and off-balances in your opponents it a huge advantage.
I thought I was gonna hate this, but I actually agree. I think this is why you have to train the fundamentals of whatever category your style is in if you want any realistic chance of efficacy. Case in point, I've trained FMA for years, but we had boxers in our gym to give fundamental boxing training...which made how we trained some of the empty hand techniques far better. Most styles are just the icing on the cake of their corresponding fundamentals. Liked and subscribed!
Nail on the head there. You gotta know your stand up, clinch, and ground game. Your respective style can add flavor and strategy to those things, but without the universal fundamentals, you're just repeating choreography.
Yeah the things that make empty-handed arnis better is boxing. They box all the time every where in Filipino communities but a lot of modern guros don’t spar.
Kali and boxing do have it s similar traits. And they are not that far off. I have read somewhere some of the best Filipino boxers do train the Kali footwork.
@@CombatSelfDefense i
Cool now show me how good your kung fu is
As someone who practices several martial arts, including aikido (and its variants), uechi ryu, and kickboxing, I completely agree with everything said here. He provided a pretty nice breakdown of basically every martial art there is.
I'm sorry but I find this explanation too vague, too general in it's point... Striking, Wrestling, Grappling.... (But in what scenario..).... Here are some realistic points I'd like to add:
1) PHYSICAL SIZE.. (Would a 4'10" lady, no matter how well trained in those three categories, defeat someone as big and strong like Eddie Hall or Brian Shaw??)
2) AGE (Ali and Tyson were unstoppable during their prime, but not as they grew older..)
3) CHARACHTER (Tyson said, everyone has a plan until they get hit.. How do you react when you get hit??..)
4) MASTERY (Bruce Lee said, the best definition of mastery is when the moves become AUTOMATIC.. Fear, Panic, Confusion will come when someone bigger is attacking you.. It is important for the technique to be AUTOMATIC so that you'd be able to fight even if FEAR dominates your mind.)
5) REQUIREMENTS FOR A GOOD STRIKE:
-Speed
-Power
-Toughness of your striking hand
-Accuracy
-Reaction time
As Lao tzu once said
He who conquers others is wise
He who conquers himself is enlightened
He who conquers the bathroom is relieved
Silat and ESCRIMA AND KALI
This is probably the most balanced simplistic video of seen on your no matter what style you practice they all break down to those three elements at the end of the day❤
Nice video! I myself have a Kyokushin brown belt, and while I do enjoy wearing gi I did not choose my art because of that. I choose it because of the whole package that no other art seems to have.
The brutal training with bare knuckle punches, the kyokushin mindset and conditioning, the samurai and Japanese philosophy, the beautiful and powerful katas with meditation and breathing techniques, the Japanese culture, philosophy and respect, and also the grading system which gives a linear and clear goal of something to always improve and learn, you can in fact spent your whole life on kyokushin but still never be able to reach 10th dan, which is what I love.
And also by not allowing head punches you keep your brain cells in the long run, so it's a good combination of everything. I love that a lot of people in my dojo are 40-60 year olds who still train and fight hard, there is no age to the art which is beautiful.
Kyokushin is awesome.
Many fighting legends had derived from kyokushin Karate, Ossu!!
I first started Kyokushin when I was 11 (56yo now). My club was well established and had national heavyweight champ in competition. I also studied Kendo later in teens under shihan who was one of the first men to successfully complete the 100 man kumite in Japan (John Jarvis). I still call it the meathead style. Affectionately, because it's true. Finesse? Ah no, that's not Mas Oyama's thing. You are so right about mindset tho', and the idea of mind conditioning through physical conditioning. BUT all that knuckle and floor stuff, muscle and grit over finesse, conditioning and hard movements really wears on the body of old practitioners. It's a good base to learn what traditioonal "martial art" means and feels like but it's very limited in the breadth of things there are out there to learn.
Osu!!!
I won golden gloves joined Hapkido because I did not want to continue knocking people out. I found the martial artist lacked footwork so I could easily knock them out when I wanted. It was hard to train when there was an obvious lack in a basic skill. But I played along although my partners knew I had a major advantage. They thought I was just really good when it was just a skill that could be learned just was not being trained there. I think it is a good idea to learn basic skills then bounce around to learn street skills that actually work in the street. Never go to the ground in the street unless you know you are alone or you may get kicked in the head by someone!
Well said sir
You should try wrestling or jiujitsu if you dont want to knock people out
Okay buddy, mr. Tough guy. Train in Mauy Thai the Science of 8 limbs. I knock you out and I'm 52. You are a LOUDMOUTH.
@@micker9830 its hundreds of millions of street fight videos where it doesnt go to the ground. why would i go to the ground on hard ass dirty concrete *on purpose* ?
@@micker9830 .....you still need basic stand up. It only takes a Second to get Knocked out before any Wrestling or Grappling can be utilized.
You're absolutely correct! It's also true that no matter how many forms you learn or how complicated they get, and real life situation, the simplest moves are the best. In a real fight or in a ring everyone uses the most basic techniques.
true but not all have the same basic instinctive techniques, repetition creates the reflexes. In a street situation a sport fighter will naturally guard deflect jab hook uppercut or other simple and effective combo, and the most basic for a martial artist or self defense well trained could be a faint to ease the situation open handed get close blow a spearfist in the throat, groin or or tiger slap in the ear. Those kind of stuff not very difficult for both fighters because its their natural move of all year in the gym cage, or dojo or else...
A lot of people are giving their opinions on street fight s, but how many have actually been on one ,
the one thing that martial arts can not teach you is aggressiveness and confidence. You eighther have it or you don't have it, that can actually make the difference on the outcome of a fight
You can learn that @@topgun6674
S.ooth, natural flowing.
@@topgun6674 yeah tahts why i think kickboxing/thai is good becasue youre prepared for everyhing. styles like krav and wing chun are set to block certain attacks. but if youre in a fight and someones tackling you and jsut throwing random punches those two are not wroking
There is a lot of wisdom in this video. I trained in Kempo, Tang Soo Do, and Hapkido for years. After years I found a gym that trained MMA style. I brought the strengths/elements of the martial art styles that I had studied for years and applied those in the MMA style of training.
I have been doing a very old school traditional form of Tiger Claw Kung Fu for almost 30 years. I've been teaching for half that time and find myself completely agreeing with everything you're saying 100%! In fact I've been saying a version of this for years. I've been in hundreds if not thousands of fights in sparing and tournament and every single one of them has been a version of kickboxing. Much of our system is kickboxing with some grappling. The most successful member of our system had 47 wins and in 1 loss and was a 19 title champion Paul Vizzio in kickboxing. I've watched dozen of Kung Fu tournaments with styles ranging from Wing Chun to Choy Le Fut to Eagle Claw to Hung Ga and the fights are all versions of kickboxing. Do some of our style specific techniques come into play? Yes, sometimes but it's all kickboxing/grappling in the end. Even our 86 year old Grandmaster says all styles are basically the same, the difference is you. You make the system great, the system will not make you great.
Well I know Dim Mak and it was not mentioned. The Count was my personal instructor.
Kickboxing is a version of kung fu not the other way.
I have a question, does iron fist training work?
@@santicheeks1106 Yes, if done slowly and very gradually. I would say it's essential to any martial art. It works on creating micro fractures that when they heal the bone becomes much stronger and able to withstand the pressures of striking. However, if done too hard too fast you can permanently damage the nerves in your hand. Also certain Chinese liniments help in the healing process.
@nighthawk292 I used Dim Mak accidentally by doing a fast spinning back fist while sparring with my brother. I struck my brother very quick, yet lightly by control to the right side of his neck. What happened was it quickly sent blood up to my brothers right brain from his carterid artery. This caused him to be completely paralyzed on the left side of his body, like an artificial stroke. He says it was the most pain he ever had until he broke his rib whole long line fishing. Fortunately, he fully recovered after about fifteen minutes. Later, I learned it is a Dim Mak move.
This is a great video. I've done TKD and MMA for 15 years and I can understand when other martial artists get in their feeling about this topic. Keep up the great work on this content!
I am a 4th degree black belt in American Kenpo Karate and I agree with much of what you have to say. I also trained in Taekwondo, Tang Soo Do, Shotokan Karate, Ninpo, Aikido and Freestyle Wrestling. Yes, it ultimately does come to the three styles you state. Learning that is what the various styles do. In Kenpo we put them into long and short forms. That is just to learn, in a fight we all utilize what we need and when we need it. The firms just aid in training. American Kenpo was quite effective in its time because it blended several styles. Ed Parker our founding father so to say had a black belt in judo and was a golden gloves boxer. He studied karate in Japan and then sort of blended the best frim those styles. He taught us to get uo close and personal with our strikes which is more like boxing/kickboxing. Ge incorporated joint locks and throws from Judo. Its weakness is on the ground and where wrestling and Jujitsu come in. Id always wanted to learn BJJ, but no schools were around. In my childhood and teens I bounced from style to style as my parents moved, but in late teens and adulthood i focused on American Kenpo Karate and a touch of Hawaiian Kempo as to get good at one. I taught Kenpo Karate for years FOR FREE to kids at the church as to keep martial arts alive. This area had a lot of poverty and many kids would not have ever had the chance to learn. Unfortunately covid sgut down the program and i ended up getting covid and ruining my lungs. I'm looking into opening up the karate school again, bit letting my oldest son be lead teacher. He and i joined a BJJ gym. I am slowly learning with limits as ove got bad lungs, 5 herniated discs and arthritis from breaking my back. Im only learning BJJ as it was a lifetime desire ever since seeing the rise of the Gracie brothers in the 80s and 90s. I don't expect to ever be goid at it, but will learn what i can. My eldest on the other hand is picking it up incredibly fast and is wanting to move on to MMA. Am i upset? Absolute not!!!! He doesn't want to destroy my Kenpo Karate, no.....instrad he wants to being BJJ and MMA into my studio. He plans to teach traditional (gi) some nights and no-gi modern other nights. A true martial artist doesn't resist improvement, but embraces utilizing what works.
Thanks for sharing that was great to read.
How much destructive is COVID?
Good stuff brother ! Great to have another generarion learn the art form(s) too. Im 67, in pain everyday but continue to train Amerucan Kenpo and Small Circle Jujitsu. Ref: Castoldi Jujitsu.
Hope I never have a street fight, but I am very prepared as I guess you and son are also. Keep training brother. Brad
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Matsumura was taught at ca.p Courtney Okinawa back 1975
I'm a hobbyist writer who's tried to understand these concepts for a couple of years now. Thank you so much for compiling my thoughts so clearly for me. It finally makes sense!
I entered Kenpo as a mid teenager. My instructor had a class after his class that taught a mix of things to survive in real fights. People going to jail and with a bounty on their head would join. You always have to have the right tool in your box. He didn't just teach unarmed combat, but a lot wasn't coming to a fight with a weapon. A lot of it was situational advice in how you can find one if needed or an escape plan.
so what would be the right tool in one's box then? also, they accept people going to jail and people with a bounty on them like no rejections whatsoever?
@Alkemyst: So what was the best style for a jail fight = TRUE no holds barred, where biting, eye gouging, groin strikes are all allowed???
@@davidchang8428 Tohei Sensei used to answer the question "what if they have a machine gun?" and he said: "If they aren't close enough to step inside, Run, but not away but at an angle to the side", seemed like a good metaphor.
@@kennethbolton951 zig zag pattern of running away and looking for good cover if possible. And get the heck out of there.
This video gets a 10 out of 10. I became a black belt in Tae Kwon Do when I was 14. Been in 2 actual street fights since then and realized quickly I was also fighting the pavement beside the other person. The 1st fight ended up wrestling the other person, on the pavement, having him submit just bf I was about to put my elbow through his nose. He also had about 80lbs on me, same height. The 2nd fight I was much more precise with my kicks and punches and knocked him out right bf the cops got there. Grappling and wrestling are essential along with strikes bc if you don't settle it fast ending up on the ground is inevitable.
My brother is a black belt and then there's 2 more of us, a Brown and me at Red (as kids that is). My first major fight on the street getting jumped I was 16 and I quickly found myself on the floor. Luckily I was able to use the pavement as my brace and kick the daylights out of the balls of the guy who just punched me and when he crouched his head down in pain I let his chin have some of that too. He was out that fight and it saved me having those distancing kicks after I got up, but I was totally out of ideas on the floor. An my punches were just wild teenage hooks lol. A couple years later I buried myself into an MMA concept school, before that was a popular term.
TKD helped me with balance, judging distance and moving in and out fast but my hands were really lacking in my young days because of that style.
I have done a bunch of different martial arts over the years. My fighting style - what I have used in the security industry and in the street - takes little bits from all of them and combines it into something that works for my body and my instincts. I know enough ju-jitsu to defend against it and get up off the ground against most opponents.
Unsurprisingly, this is my advice to everyone. Learn a whole lot of techniques, then work out what works for you.
Exactly the same here mate. 29 years training, done various styles, some great, some bs. I’ve been in combat situations both, in the street, sport, and then in security for just over a decade. I will add, those different scenarios have led me to take different approaches
I don't think that anybody with actual martial arts experience, who is familiar with different styles could be mad at you, because this is simple, distilled truth!
Great video. In our black belt test for Tang Soo Do, there was a self defense portion. I'm 6'6" and 330lbs. I simply used my size street and fighting techniques to easily beat the 2nd and third degree instructors. Our lead instructor always stresses that TSD is an art, fighting is something entirely different.
Firstly, one thing a lot of martial artists ignore is the fact that size DOES matter. There are no secret techniques to beat a bigger, stronger opponent, you just have to be a good enough fighter that you outdo the size disparity.
And secondly, yes, I agree, TSD and similar styles are an art form - a method of self expression, and that’s totally okay. Not everything HAS to be about fighting. Just be honest
Any "normal" person would be crazy to go at u toe to toe. That's why weapons and ambush were created.
@@acyutanandadas1326 Why? You train weapons, use them.
@@CombatSelfDefense weapons
@@CombatSelfDefense nah bjj is made for small people
This was actually a very intelligent formulation of martial arts as a whole. Not many people can articulate it in such a well-organized way. Brovo!
Actually is "Bravo"
I actively train Muay Thai/Muay Chaiya and Jiu Jitsu but have also trained wing chun(still practice 30 minutes daily) and I totally agree with your comment regarding Silva. I've also watched a video of him on a wooden dummy and he wasn't using standard wing chun as I know it and at one point literally looked like he was slapping it open handed. Wing chun is very useful but it is important to think about the context. First, it isn't a "practical art" and instead it is a "conceptual art" and it is a "dead art" vs a "living art" meaning the tech is set by some source that can not be question and the system doesn't grow(unlike Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu where whatever works within the rules wins). Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu are examples of practical arts. Wing Chun, and most martial arts with forms, are conceptual and some more or less on a spectrum between pure concept and some mixture of concept and practical use. Wing Chun forms are almost entirely pure concepts and the concepts are useful but imho only if you already know how to fight. Just as an example, and a relevant example imho, no one punches in a real fight like you see people punch a speed bag. I know several techs on the speed bag that are actually hand fighting where I'm using it to clear their guard as a setup for some other strike. Wing chun is basically a bunch concepts like speed bag drills and you either have to have someone who knows how to use it practically in a real situation against a skilled opponent or just figure it out on your own.
BJJ is one of the most rigid arts not adapting Ive seen ,It is a cult at least they war it is taught in my city
30 years in: my choices - RenBuKai - Kali & Escrima, Krav Maga. I have trained many other styles as well & I am glad I did. I started training my grandson when he was 3. He is 23 now & training MMA. I am very impressed with his training.
I started my martial arts with Taekwondo in elementary and practiced that for 3 years but was really concerned about the, in my opinion, over-emphasis on flashy kicks. I got into a scuffle with a friend's older brother, nothing serious, and he floored my the moment I lifted my foot off the ground. That was a hell of a shock for me. Moved to another state in middle school and started again at a Goju-Ryu karate dojo. This place was cool because it didn't just teach you the traditional karate stuff but also went into jiu-jitsu and judo and occasionally brought in some wrestlers who vigorously taught me how to sprawl, double-leg take-down, and control my center of gravity. By high school I started mixing in some boxing with my stand-up karate strikes and felt pretty comfortable with how I could handle situations. I only got into 2 serious fights in school and both were won thanks to getting out of a football tackle and following through my punches (each only took 2 punches). I'm not the strongest or best and wasn't at all at my dojo, but just knowing those things really saved my ass from being humiliated. I still liked Taekwondo as it did help me with flexibility and performance once I started weightlifting; it just never ended up helpful in fighting.
Long story short. School organized a day where students could try out diff sports by local clubs. Judo it was. Me 15, blue belt in JJ, ended up sparring a junior national champ TKD. For fun ofc. Took 1min . We became best friends and he also started practicing JJ at our dojo. RIP Youri
@@Astrodicted I'm sorry he died. Glad you have the memories.
@@DrNotEmpathetic Thx. Everywhere he went (tournaments etc) he was praised for how amazing his kicks wr etc. That 1min broke his reality. TKD is beautiful but once you step in they are so lost, literally.
@@Astrodicted Former muay thai coach here. Trained many TKD athletes who tried MT. They all have the same reaction when they find a real combat art.
In high school, we had this kid by the nickname Lil Van Damme. He was a Taekwondo practitioner (old school, mid 90-s WTF I think) and was very prolific at knocking the crap out of hoodlums in the streets with flashy high kicks. Everyone kinda admired him for that because everyone had seen wrestlers and boxers being efficient in the streets, but it was the first guy we knew who had a track record of pulling off knockout after knockout with his high kicks. I, one the other hand, also dabbled in Taekwondo, but when the time came to put it to the test I assumed my stance and the other kid simply kicked me to the groin with all his might. To this day I remember being stunned and angry: "This is unfair! This wouldn't fly in a competition", hahaha
Bruce Lee said anyone with a year or two of wrestling and boxing could waste any martial artist
Back in graduate school I had a friend who had been in the Soviet military, where he had trained in martial arts . During training he had broken fingers and ribs, but the important thing was they practiced to kill at full speed and did not pull punches. When he entered martial arts tournaments here he destroyed just about everybody because they simply weren't used to getting hit for real.
My Sensei was in the Soviet army. He says they fought for food all the time.
My training came from a WWII veteran in mid 70's. Trench Fighting was what he taught me, deadly tactics.
That's an extremely significant point that you made. Tai Chi Chuan teaches that sparring actually teaches you non-self defense. There is a different energy phenomenon that takes place when you strike someone with the intent of doing real damage in a real fight.
Lack of control is the mark of an amateur. And most martial arts tournaments are not full contact so I smell poetic licence in your story here.
@ian7033 control is great, but if you are a college student who has never experienced actually being hit, it's a different story. People get knocked out in tournaments
There was an armed robbery in Indonesia. 3 armed blades robber vs an empty handed homeowner. All three were found dead while the homeowner lives unschated, he is a Silat master. I think this is the true purpose of Silat.
Here in the Philippines Kali's techniques is often used in street fights, so I can say It's effective in different kinds of fighting even with weapons or kickboxing
I retired from the 10th mountain div after 22 years and 6 combat tours.
We all trained in Kali for close combat situations using a knife.
I literally bet my life on Kali many times in those 6 years of kicking in doors and in-house conflicts,..at a range of 6 foot or less Kali was a far superior option than a m203 rifle with grenade launcher attachment.
Now retired I carry a small 4 inch bladed knife for personaal protection.
I'm sorry but I find this explanation too vague, too general in it's point... Striking, Wrestling, Grappling.... (But in what scenario..).... Here are some realistic points I'd like to add:
1) PHYSICAL SIZE.. (Would a 4'10" lady, no matter how well trained in those three categories, defeat someone as big and strong like Eddie Hall or Brian Shaw??)
2) AGE (Ali and Tyson were unstoppable during their prime, but not as they grew older..)
3) CHARACHTER (Tyson said, everyone has a plan until they get hit.. How do you react when you get hit??..)
4) MASTERY (Bruce Lee said, the best definition of mastery is when the moves become AUTOMATIC.. Fear, Panic, Confusion will come when someone bigger is attacking you.. It is important for the technique to be AUTOMATIC so that you'd be able to fight even if FEAR dominates your mind.)
5) REQUIREMENTS FOR A GOOD STRIKE:
-Speed
-Power
-Toughness of your striking hand
-Accuracy
-Reaction time
I disagree...most street fights used the red horse or tanduay technique.
@@edgabrielocay3376 basta may hawak ka..manila way.
elbow destruction.
Valid points man, I saw how susceptible boxers were to leg kicks and decided to learn me some muay thai. I still spar in my boxing stance though and get the crap kicked outta my legs every week but I just pretend it doesn't hurt and hope they get bored. They don't get bored.
I did what you were talking about.. I got my black belt in karate when i was 17 way way back in the day… but I noticed at my school the training didn’t seem to be super effective.. so I started training in my garage then I started going to a boxing gym. And noticed how they trained.. bag work
Pad work… everything geared toward combat. and then I signed up for a kickboxing fight.. After that l quit traditional karate. But I didn’t drop the style I just took what I loved about karate and incorporated into kickboxing.. so, my spinning kicks and spinning backfist. I appreciate the style I trained in because It gave me a unique kickboxing style but i was over the gi and traditional bowing in and out of a gym and saying “yes sensei!” I loved going in with my gym shorts and getting some good training in.
So what essentially what your saying is that Karate does works.
@@lawrencedroman it definitely does.. but I just had a preference for non traditional training.. and I liked the boxing punches and defense.. essentially I fell in love with kickboxing. But I have a lot of respect for my karate background.
Japanese Karate focus on Budo or martial way of life which means it is not actually focus on a combative side of Karate but on more spiritual enlightenment but back to the old days in Okinawa they did the jutsu part or the concept based Karate but now even in Okinawa they also starting to become a more like Japanese way of teaching Karate but there are some masters there teaching the old ways of Karate which is concept based or the "why" and the Japanese Karate focuses on the "how" that's why their kihon is far not so useful in actual combat.
You see, Karate is design to kill or disable the person it is not actually non-consensual combat so the engagement is more closer and sneaky. And the shocking thing about Okinawan Karate is they also trained in weapons because Karate and Kobudo are partners. You don't wanna fight someone who's having a weapon ofcourse. Maybe you should re-explore Karate more and you will find some I suggest focus first on kihon why they're like that. Karate is not always a strike and it will level up your mma if you do mma.😊✊
@@Brandon123456magine i studied shotokan karate for 7 years. Got my black belt. I respect my time in it but I really fell in love with kickboxing..
@@Bfolks84 yeah sure btw I'm Shotokan too and I like mma also. 😁❤
Just one question, what is the difference between wrestling and grappling?
I've trained with four grandmasters in my life. I've practiced numerous styles, from Dragon Kung Fu to Lima Lama. This is the truest thing I've seen or heard from someone that hasn't held that rank. Legit video, and you just got a new subscriber.
While on Okunawa from 1971-2972 I started taking Okinawan Shorin Ryu Matsumura.
It is a close quarters combat system. I have found that it works for self defense. I do not challenge others to show off. At 73 now I still keep up with the basic forms for exercise. Thank you for your video.
Dang! You we’re in Okinawa for 1001 years?! I bet you got real good!
This is incredible. Time moves fast and simultaneously slow in Okinawa.
1975 camp courtney,matsumura, almost like perfect advanced hand to hand right?
You are old af
After 42 years of study in a wide array of styles... I’d only call myself moderately good. Your analysis is spot on, you have to fight within those styles because it’s what it all boils down to.
I’ve survived open heart surgery, knee surgery, two ear surgeries(deaf left side), I’ve been shot, stabbed, I jumped into a malfunctioning carnival ride to save some kids, I’ve had eight concussions, two rollovers, and three broken ribs.
All of that has left its Mark and made it exceptionally difficult to be more that a moderate martial artist, especially with another trained individual. So I focus on all three of those areas to improve, and then I simply hope.
Note: most of my health problems were congenital birth defects... except for the stupid heroics, those are all on me.
Ten years with Muay Thai, I just say the only people better than me are the people who aren’t starting fights. Old woodworking saying ~ once you start you’re already better than like 90% of people.
Seems like you are immortal anyway :Dd why you learnt the mar arts ?
All martial arts have their use. I got jumped on, attempted glassing, multiple people (male and female) on me, with misguided bouncers trying to keep me restrained whilst the fight carried on.
I got through it and won through strength, reflexes, taekwondo and aikido.
I doubt very much that this guy has ever been in a real fight in his life.
I 100% agree. It all comes down to the individual artist and how much work he puts into it.
Great video, Dominic Izzo put me onto you. My take on this is era's, I'm 55, back when I was in My late teens, early 20's, 90% of people couldn't fight. Those guys that did some amateur boxing & Karate back then were the fighters, won almost every street fight they were in. When UFC first started with the Gracies, they won hands down, as all the traditional Martial artists didn't know how to defend against the take down. As UFC evolved, mixed martial arts took over from BJJ, because of the obvious. Now here we are today, everybody knows somebody that does mixed martial arts, so there's a lot more then 10% of guys out there that can fight, so b4 when you could get away with ya Wing Chun, now you have to be excellent at the art, for it to even have a chance of working. Another aspect is fitness, most traditional martial artists are unfit, most guys that practice MMA are super fit, no contest straight away, your getting ya arse kicked period. I did Judo, Karate & wing chun as a kid, sucked at them all, why, cause some of us are born to fight regardless of style, I wasn't. Good luck with the channel 🤜🤛
@@paulbarclay4114 where did I say Karate is useless, I said I sucked at it, no where in that paragraph do I say Karate is useless.
Its always been many style available. Its just with todays world we can see and have access to all.
@@seanwebb4291 Yeah, I think that visibility is huge. Before UFC, I don’t recall that televised martial arts tournaments were much of a thing. I guess there was _some_ stuff, there was TKD at the summer Olympics, and of course boxing & wrestling were big… but it wasn’t until UFC that *lots* of laypeople were watching martial arts in bars and at parties and talking with each other about what they were seeing. I think it convinced a lot of folks that martial arts weren’t just action movie BS.
@@mightymeatmonstahi spot on , izzo is fake , I have practiced wing chun for many a year , I know it works through experience,
Very practical fighting styles for most situations are Kickboxing, Muay Thai, Boxing, Sambo, Judo, Jiujitsu, Wrestling. The higher the degree of grappling, the better.
I am a martial artist and there are many things that I agree with and disagree but for the most part I would first like to say you are a very good man who understands what he is doing and saying. To be honest people who practice martial arts don’t train it as they should and take it seriously probably from many factors and especially over the years there are many changes with everything. The martial arts I practice is a system of martial arts which would include everything you can think of to breathing teqniques all the way to grappling moves. Lastly lots of martial arts are business and if they even have any useful things it will probably be taught later on.
I've been saying that strikes, locks (joint locks and strangulation etc.), and takedowns (throws, trips, tackles etc.) are what comprise all effective fighting techniques for a long time. This is spot on.
This is a really wonderful breakdown of what we're doing in the martial arts. I particularly appreciate your comments about trying to bring elements into a tradition as a way of saving a tradition. I have been an artist painting in a fairly traditional mode. I have constantly listened to people whining about other modes of making things - it's lazy, it's pointless, it's a dumb approach, the old ways are better, blah blah blah. As you say, you might as well talk to the wall. Accept what you do for what it is. If that doesn't give you enough, go to the other style and live it up. I did karate and liked the katas as a challenge and now do jiu jitsu and love the chess like challenges. They don't do what the other does and that's fine. Thank you for this breakdown
I started with boxing, then moved to Wado-Ryu and when that club closed, did Wing Chun for a few years. All have a lot to commend them, but real fighting is all about speed and aggression. Most techniques, apart from the basics, go out of the window as soon as it all kicks off. Unless it's groin/knee level, forget about using kicks, it just means you are off balance. From experience (I worked the doors at clubs for a bit), avoid the grappling styles, as you don't know who is with the person you are trying to subdue, but you can be sure that whoever they are, they will be using your head as a football if you go to ground. Use hard surfaces. If you can bounce someone's skull off of a wall with a push or shoulder barge, it will be far more effective than a punch. If they are wearing a hood, pull it over their face. Use a hammer-fist rather than a punch to save your knuckles, if you can use your elbows, knees and head at close range, they will be far more effective than locks and holds.
People pick up on the speed and aggression faster than they do anything else, and tend to back off really quickly. OK, I am 6'5" and 250 lbs, which probably also helps. But more than half the battle is showing intent. If you move really fast, and with purpose, and look like you might bite their nose off and eat it, they tend to behave.
I have a black belt in Tracy’s Kenpo and agree with most of what you said. Tracy’s Kenpo has elements of kick boxing, grappling, and wrestling. Also all techniques are to be modified depending upon the attack. Best weapon, best target. Also the acronym of GETS, Groin, Eyes, Throat, and (I added) Solar Plexus (which is also real close to the liver and spleen).
Keep training and producing.
“Never fear the man who knows one thousand moves, fear the man that only know one move but has practiced it one thousand times.”
Great stuff here. I've heard this expressed as the three ranges; striking, clinching and grappling. To be a complete martial artist, one really needs to know how to fight in all three ranges. You can call it whatever you want; but every single martial art that has any kind of live competition always throws the curriculum completely out of the window and turns into kickboxing the second they step on the mat.
Yep!
you are correct, but most street fights i saw began with a headlock.
I'd say the last bit of this comment is underrated*
I love BJJ still I have used Tai Chi and Wing Chun in class and they make a great difference. No, I am not saying they replace what I learned in BJJ but they do add to more performance and give me great advantages. If anything BJJ has helped deepen my understanding of Kung Fu. You don't have to choose between traditional martial arts, and modern martial sports(which are still martial arts). If you want to do MMA or something like that to build your athleticism or pressure test skills this is great.
bjj derived from its and ju jutsu did too
Agreed! I'm mostly a Chen taiji guy (along with xingyiquan and baguazhang), and I was fortunate enough to meet up with some people at my college who had an open sparring group from half a dozen styles. Fast forward 10 years and 3 hours of sparring a day, with 53 people from 31 styles ranging from BJJ to boxing to TKD and a dozen styles of kung fu and I'm still taiji-centric, but I've learned to apply it vs anyone. Invaluable to cross-train.
Check out Rickson Gracie’s talks on “invisible jiu-jitsu.” It has many similarities with tai chi
Yeah I'd agree...there are a lot of skills other martial arts teach that you wouldn't find in combat styles. Are combat martial arts better for actual combat? Yes of course but that doesn't detract from TMA what they offer, some people actually want what things TMA has to offer.
Tao chi increased my balance massively and increased my power in kickboxing. As a fighting technique it's a no for me but it has helped. I do also learn Chinese broad sword and I'm pretty sure that's effective lol
I’m a practitioner in Kajukenbo and I do agree on the point that you will not pull “technique 12” in the street. I know 24+ forms and I’ve never used any of them in the street. The thing is, these forms are supposed to give you a concept to use those techniques or an idea, if that makes sense. I’ll say an example: I was taught a defense against a rear naked choke. It was very technical. Few years later, someone put me in a rear naked choke and I ended up not doing each step I was taught. I took concepts from about 5 other techniques and defended myself.
I would say that wrestling is a form of grappling, so there are really only two fighting styles, striking and grappling.
You are 100% correct. There are ONLY two: Striking and Grappling. 👍
Yeah that immediately jump at me as point too. To label these as separate things is redundancy.
U can always bite too if ur like me 😂
Facts 💯
I think when he says grappling he means something like judo. Wrestling is a different animal
Great video. I think that what you are saying is basically what Bruce Lee was trying to convey with him developing Jeet Kune Do.
He said, "Your Jeet Kune Do is going to look different from my Jeet Kune Do..." Because of different styles, different training regimes, different body types, and different natural ability.
You strip down the messy formality that is the martial arts and you have what I like to call fighting or combat!
👍👍😉😉
Unfortunately Jeet Kune Do has become the very thing that Bruce rallied against…blind obedience to the master, exaggerated claims of fighting abilities, and fluid technique becoming set drills 😢
Icy Mike talked about this in one of his videos, essentially that, in America, the “highest denominator” would be a wrestler, since a lot of people had access to it through school growing up and it’s an effective system, so if you train to be able to at least beat a mid level wrestler, you should be okay in a fight more often than not.
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@@JohnEpresent boxing can be stopped by a good grappler even if its a good striker. its a lot harder for a good striker to stop a good grappler
@@liverpoollfc1247 yeah I agree with that
@@liverpoollfc1247 what I’m trying to say is that you’ll be okay in a street fight if you’re a decent boxing
@@JohnEpresent one month of consistent boxing and you should be able to defend yourself against someone untrained and same height and size. Boxing is also the number one thing for fighting multiple people so yeah boxing is of course useful
Enjoyed the video, but don't quite understand the difference between Wrestling and Grappling. I did a light search of the net and no-one explained it well. In your view, what is the difference?
In my younger days I wrestled in high school, took judo and hapkido while I was in the service, and did take some bjj when I was older. I worked as a security guard, and also got into some fights in my younger days when out drinking etc. But to be honest, I feel like the best martial art I learned was my four years of high school wrestling. Judo also was good because I learned chokes and locks, and I also could mix in my wrestling with it. I was never a big striker but could still throw a punch, but it was my wrestling and judo that really did work out in the streets in real fighting situations.
Wrestling is a very good 'martial art' and many people say the training is the hardest training they've ever done. It's limited, but very effective.
Did it work against multiple attackers?
Wrestling, saved my ass a few times
I stared martial arts in 1999. I trained Arnes (Stick Fighting), Kickboxing, JKD, some Silat, and BJJ. I was super resistant to starting BJJ and I was getting pretty good at the kickboxing I was getting taken down and tapped. I loved training stick, trapping, and some cool Silat stuff. But in the end I alway wound up using Kickboxing and BJJ. I unfortunately quit in 2003, but started back in Jan 2020, then added Judo to my current skill set. All I really do now is BJJ 3-4 days a week (no gi) and Judo ones a week. Judo is rough on my 42 year old body. I am a (3) striped blue belt in BJJ right now. I have some rusty spots with my kickboxing but I have been sparing with some amateur MMA fighters and I do pretty well with them on my feet.
18 years kickboxing and still going, also still doing Judo at 43. My body loves it. Age is only a number. The key is not to stop.
I'm 60 been doing Martial arts all my life, many different styles, totally agree with what your saying, I've always agreed with what Bruce Lee always said look for the similarities, not the differences. Then you have the old masters that won't try anything different or let their students try another style, very sad, to much pride and ego. To survive in a life threatening situation you have to be a very good all rounder , special forces will have you spar with more than one opponent, then there's adding weapons to the mix, enjoyed what you said. Support from Australia 🇦🇺 mate.
I think your spot on. The problem I see with many of the pure styles is that many of the practitioners kind of get caught up in the katas so to speak. You kind of train in this really clean, formalized way and you become locked into it in a very ridged fashion and many practitioners can't seem to transition out of this mindset which just makes them really ineffective in a real fight. Basically, its not so much the style that is the issue, but rather how you apply the style in a real fight. If I had to guess, about 10% of martial artists studying a formal style are fighters, the rest are just exercising.
I like how you said, "Anderson silva is so good at fighting he can make (x) work". I studied Tae Kwon DO for 10 year from 5 to 15 and I know it is the laughing stock of the martial arts world. I have gotten a lot of respect from people who understand that it is very versatile and for as long as I have had a defense martial arts mind set. I have been able to make things work for me successfully with either talent or skill.
This has made me think. I love martial arts. I started with karate when I was young and did well but eventually quit. I did kickboxing but didn't really enjoy it as much. Muay Thai seemed too intense. Eventually I found something called KAPAP and it's so simple and contains all 3 of those elements. I started doing karate again because I want to finish what I started.
Good points. Bruce Lee said similar things and he'd studied many arts. studied with a fellow who had black belts in several as, plus much kung fu, plus he'd boxed. he suggested mastering the front kick and reverse punch. better to have two or three things you are really good at than a lot of fancy stuff. But one thing i have learned is that no matter how good you are at X, someone might have a way to negate it
This explains why Dana calls him the Godfather of MMA. Mixed Martial Arts. People keep talking about who he could have beaten if he was still alive. But these are all irreverent. Maybe he punched harder than Mike Tyson. Maybe he didnt. But he was the first who brought MMA to the world's attention. Quite honestly, if he is still alive today, so many fighters trains just as hard as he did, he may be just an average MMA fighter if he is still in the ring.
freestyle-greco roman wrestling-dad was golden glove boxer-learned some martial art kicks from friends….incorporating them is very effective…u are 100% correct
I am actually one of those Tang Soo Do guys trying to make it more functional... Overall, I really like your video here, and agree with all your points for the most part. That said, Tang Soo Do, being a Karate-based art, if it really went back to it's roots, would be a system that continues to evolve.
Real, Okinawan Karate was more like MMA than what we see in tournaments today. It had grappling, wrestling and striking. It also evolved as it was passed from instructor to student, rather than being regulated by a large organization.
I'm in the middle of nowhere when it comes to Tang Soo Do. There's no one else around me who does it. I use the name Tang Soo Do because it's the style I "grew up" in, but I've cross-trained in other styles, admittedly. There's a TON of techniques in TSD that are completely valid techniques, but expressed or applied poorly for actual defensives. And, there's a lot of stuff in TSD being touted as real self-defense that will get someone killed quickly.
I left my association, and am completely independent now. I treat it more like TSD is my base style, rejecting that which I find ineffective, and embracing concepts that work.
Again, great video!
Where do you train?
@@skylercooper1283 we're in southern Indiana
Have you seen Daniel Marino's channel? His Naihanchi project is excellent: th-cam.com/channels/21N7Ijp_uq8dok6CKxpO7Q.html
I'm one of those Tang Soo Do people, too, and really the only reason I still practice the old forms is because I enjoy reverse engineering the movements into kickboxing, wrestling, and grappling techniques.
@@TheBrianBurkett I was at triumph boxing in Indianapolis and didn’t do TSD but the teacher had the same idea. Take what’s practical and make it work for the fighter. Was fun to watch them spar. Loved their style and it looked like an intense workout.
TSD, is a very underrated martial art. Practiconers of it have some of the most deceptive Crescent Kicks, if they train at a school that puts enough attention on them.
I think Tang Soo Do and Combat Sambo is a good combination that should be paired.
Instant eye roll reading the title and listing to you start. Then I got it. You're mostly correct, I'll agree w/ the majority of it. I differ on making functional a martial art you enjoy. I've done it myself because I enjoy the systems and what I have picked up. I've got JKD, Aikido, Aikijujutsu and several Kali systems for a background. JKD has made the biggest impact on how I approach everything but I enjoyed Aiki for several years based on what I learned and made function, i assumed it was a joke but learned it wasn't. I ended up favoring Kali because I can no longer fight as well as I did until mid 30's so now Kali keeps me moving and gives me a weapons base to compensate. All have something to offer but on a base level you are right I'm fine w/ anyone and their system as long as they can work something from it w/o going to a base that all can do
Those styles are trash.
@@np494609 ah we have a black belt in troll-jitsu ..welcome!
You are correct. Jet Li spoke to that effect once and it made sense. " we have two arms and two legs in fighting" now if we came across someone with three arms that would be different, or something along those lines. I have always said " it does not matter WHAT style you practice, but how much you put into it.
As much as I like Jet Li....Bruce LEE said it first!
@@rg8276 You beat me to it
@@VR471 Makes me happy to know that there is someone out there thinking the same thing!....peace brother!
What would you say is the top 3 Martial arts to learn and master? Jiujitsu? Boxing? And Krav? I’m new to this.
Good points. That is why I like Kajukenbo, it isn't a martial art in the traditional sense, but it is a "self-defense system". The way I have been taught it for the past few decades is that it is always morphing and incorporating fighting styles or techniques that work for each practitioner and each region. For example, my Kaju school teaches heavy on the Kung Fu and Judo side of the system and incorporates a lot of environmental possibilities e.g., using throws into walls or hard ground. Whereas the same vein of Kaju down in San Jose trains with more close-range weaponry because of the number of muggings they have there in the city. Also, at one point, we had a guy in our dojo with ALS in a wheelchair learning some Kaju, very cool. At first it seems like a predominately "Hard-style" system but look closer it is very fluid and focused on balance. The other thing I will say about Kaju is that there is a large focus on training one's mind and physical abilities to help overall with the acceptance of experiencing physical pain.
However, I will say, the Jujitsu taught in Kaju, while very effective in it's own way, is Japanese and doesn't provide a lot of training for groundwork like grappling. So, I have been training BJJ as well. Thanks for the video 🙏
Many years of Kajukenbo i agree it has all 3
I disagree 100%. Tai Chi works. Go "play" with Waysun Liao or Gary Clyman. You will ache for weeks while barely break a sweat. The late Vince Black was another a incredible expert fighter and healer.
I've been doing martial arts for over 30 years. I used to think mma was sport and what I did was for the street. I've only recently come to realize everything your saying is true. Thanks for your wisdom
Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not so…you’re welcome?
"Anderson Silva is so good at fighting so he made it work". This is why i like you Rob
Thank you, Jake.
you make a valid point overall, where would you rank krav maga vs a street fight where you have no idea what are the skills/abilities of the other person who's coming at you (for whatever reason and regardless whose fault it is that a fist fight's about to start if cooler heads don't prevail)? If krav maga isnt the best or amongst the best options to prevail in that kind of scenario (or any other similar scenario ie: road rage fight two cars stop drivers come out and start punching each other etc) which 'martial arts' would you reccomend? thanks in advance.
I studied Yoshukai for 4 years. The attack and defense capabilities of this form of Karate discipline has suited me quite well over the years.
As others have expressed our dojo has great respect for the other varying martial arts being taught.
I started with Yoshukai at 14... definitely a good base
I studied Yoshukia for 5 years
I had a friend back in high school back in the 80's him and his brother were black belts in Tae-kwon-do , they were instructors assistants, been in the martial arts since they were kids, all these different degrees of black belts they were. Used to fly in mid air, looked they belonged in kung-fu movies, one day he got into a scrap, all that tae-kwon went out the window, the fight went straight-ghetto I did not see not one martial arts move, fight ended when they finally broke it up, it was 50-50, I will stick the motto "you may know karate, but I know chingazos"
Fortunately my Sensei was my older brother; a former Chicano gang member who had reformed his way through taking lessons with Guro Daniel Inosanto. He (my older brother) would come home from lessons so motivated that he would drag me into the backyard to continue working out what he had learned. I was taught how to throw the Bruce Lee straight lead punch in 5th grade. It took 2-years of daily training to finally get it. His best lesson, though, was after all my forms were nice and clean to his satisfaction he would then come at me with how it actually happened on the streets. Sucker punches, biting, spitting, multiple opponents, street weapons, etc. Only then will you know if your JKD works or not. It never failed me. By the time I was a sophomore in high school I was already, by rumor and reputation, rated as one of the toughest people on campus...and, I was a band Twinkie the whole time!! Hahahaha!!
He prob did Taekwondo for sport over self defence.
I studied Tae Kwon Do for years and have had about a dozen street fights. I never lost. One on one was a joke. I fought 8-1 and won with only being hit once. Our instructor's family escaped north Korea after the war and they all taught old school Tae Kwon Do. We sparred like it was real fights almost everyday, and Saturdays we would fight for 1-2 hours straight, opponent after opponent and up to 3 opponents at a time, it was brutal. We never trained sport Tae Kwon Do. My instructor had calluses on the side of his hand and his knuckles and was a total badass. He could kick you with such power and control he would cause a shockwave to travel through your skin of your body without hurting you. It all depends on how your trained.
@@jasondykstra2835 Sounds a lot like my TKD instructor growing up. He was from Korea as well as his master. I didn’t even know there was a sport side until I was way older. He taught more than just kicks, we learned elbows, punches, throws too
A lot of blackbelts have never had a street fight or suffered a black eye and a bust nose, or put over a pool table and had a beating with a pool ball. My black belt holds my pants up. You cannot mess with the street fighters.
Well said sir. I think you're about 95% correct. The one thing I might add is that while Tai Chi is definitely a bad idea for people to rely on for self defense, there is a potential for it to be useful in combat for fighters who have been at it for over 30 years. For example, I'd get my butt kicked if I tried using it, but there are people who can use it so expertly, that witnesses couldn't even tell there was any violence for certain.
I trained for a while with some guys who did wudang tai chi. It was brutally effective. You could definitely see the violence in it. The forms were gentle, the applications not.
Indeed.
I need help for understand the difference between wrestling and grappling (sorry not a english speaker)
Most helpful thing I've seen all day. Ive been trying to learn kali and figure out how to use it to defend myself but the reality of art vs combat shakes me up a little, like there's no point or something. From what you've said, i know im just gonna have to train in those three areas and try harder and stick with what we know works using each art. Thanks man!
I've been taking Kali and we do some Muay Thai style training on the heavy bag every class, we also do hand to hand training with some joint locks and take downs so I think it's pretty good for self defense, at least where I go
Spar hard . Nothing like trained fighters coming at you hard with a knife.
When I spar I use whatever I have. Kung fu, Sanda, Wrestling.You quickly find out what works
Judo was developed to be something you could practice at full speed, using all it's techniques and come back the next day, unharmed. It is a martial art, a sport, a form of self defense and a form of physical and mental education. We never called the matches in our competitions fights, (I started Judo in 1967). We called ourselves judoka (one meaning was judo player). We never saw the Kime no Kata till we reached Shodan. If you are truly defending yourself, you are not 'closing the distance', meeting someone outside, or stepping into a ring to fight for money.
EXACTLY. That is also why the techniques in Judo, Aikido, Aikijujutsu, etc, are usually demostrated against someone that is already moving in the direction that they are going to be throw to. If someone wants to attacks you but you are repeatedly getting out of their ramge, they will eventually try really hard to get to you, which will in result make many of the techniques way easier to do
After about 20 years of training in different styles, the absolute best and most practical skill that I ever trained in was the golden gloves boxing club that my dad put me in as a kid. From a teen to adult I trained Tae kwon do, Okinawan Karate and Aiki Ju jitsu and the fundamentals that I learned in boxing not only accelerated my training in other disciplines but it honestly give me a advantage when sparring in Tae Kwon Do and Karate. The form Japanese (Aiki) Ju Jitsu was the most punishing and straight up brutal displine I ever trained in, it wasn't about fighting it was about incapacitating someone in a extreme fashion, Okinawan Karate is also a hard fisted effective style. I'm sorry I don't mean to offend anyone but I came to the conclusion that unless you plan on mixing it with other disciplines the form of TKD that you're gonna learn in your local dojo is not a stand alone system, it's a sport, it has advantages but you need a hard fisted discipline of striking, blocking and grappling to go with kicks. I would sparr with anyone while in TKD and hold my own with just sound boxing fundamentals. Unless you're fighting someone who dont know how to fight a lot of high risk kicks will get your ass kicked on the street no matter how good you think you are. You want to teach your kid to protect himself, start him out boxing and if there is a high school wrestling team convince him to take part in that if not go to BBJ. At 50 I finally conceded and started BBJ after years of skepticism about its practicality outside a ring. In my opinion I still think it's not a stand alone street fighting style, but definitely complements a good stand up and adds depth to your skill level. Not to mention at my age it's not quite as hard on my body....not quite....lol
The first martial art I studied was TKD, later I went to a Karate and Ninjitsu Dojo and you are absolutely right about hand techniques. I could always get kicks in, but the moment I got into arms reached I got nailed. I had to improve using my hands. I was able to train later with the Gracies, and they have a lot of respect for wrestlers. Of course, they push BJJ, it is what they teach, but it wasn't uncommon to hear them say, if all you learn is standup fighting, you are learning half of what you need to know.
I got shoulder surgery so ideally I can restart martial arts training after about a decade of not training any "style", though I still did other stuff and would practice basics and keep fit.
I want to go into the best boxing training/gym I can find immediately when healed, but got to talk to my doctor and physiotherapist about that in several months after my rehabilitation about my best options for my martial arts goals. I want to do boxing for about 6 months to get the fundamentals down and spar a bit before transferring into kickboxing or maybe bjj. I am very disappointed that my parents didn't put me into boxing when I was a kid or teen. It would have helped a lot with many things and laid a good foundation for later.
Boxing is great - but the risk of brain damage is high - even after one year boxing at my local gym another chap I started with developed noticeable brain damage - I stopped wanting to be an amature boxer after seeing what happened to him in such a short time - couldn't remember names, speak well and acted strange. etc
@@Asia-dr4yj Every sport carries risk of injury, if people can't accept that then they should stay at home in a plastic bubble where they're safe. Also that's very anecdotal and I would prefer to go by statistics of occurrence of brain injuries vs time spent boxing/sparring or average amount of head blows received.
I don't think anyone here mentioned amateur boxing or doing it long term, just learning the fundamental skills to be a better and well rounded martial artist to be able to defend oneself.
If one is developing brain damage in such a short time just from training/sparring I'd worry about the quality of instruction and training being recieved. Eg allowing opponents to hit the head too hard or often and similarly not drilling enough at keeping one's fkin hands up to protect the head.
Yes, every sport does carry risk - but boxing carries much greater risk due to a large focus on hitting the head with power. It is true that better coaching can help, along with reduced sparring time; but it is a very dangerous sport for those that spend time in the ring sparring/fighting - much higher than others. Going to gyms and working out using the bags and learning boxing techniques is great - however, once one starts sparing/fighting that is when the risk of permanent brain damage arises - some are lucky and some are not - just one punch with someone who has an 'eggshell skull' can destroy a life - some have died while others have become mentally unable to function normally. (Just look at the "Greatest" Ali.)
As you requested some statistics and not just my own personal experience - here are some:
1. From January of 1960 to August of 2011, there were 488 boxing-related deaths.
2. The percentage of boxing deaths that are related to brain damage that occurs: 66%.
3. In several studies, 15-40% of ex-boxers at any given time have been found to have symptoms of chronic brain injury.
4. More than 18,000 children and teens participate in amateur boxing and concussions account for as many as 51.6% of amateur boxers’ injuries.
5. During a 19-year study by Nationwide Children’s Hospital, an average of 8,700 boxing injuries were treated in United States emergency departments each year.
I agree. The difference is in the fighter and in those limited effective techniques. I met a Korean guy who practiced Tae Kwon Do just for 2 years in the Army and he easily beaten a European champion who trained for decades. The same happened when I met a retired SWAT commander from Italy who, in the 70s was sent to Hong Kong to learn Wing Chun. He spent 6 month training 8 hours a day with a former Yp Man student and man, that guy is a war machine, with Wing Chun! I like your point when you say that many martial arts today lost some technique or lack in some aspect, especially if we think that in the past (when people used those skills to go to war) the arts were complete of punching/kicking, grappling and wrestling. I mean: Roman soldiers used Pancratio (wrestling + kickboxing), Samurai used the old Jujutsu with all the striking arsenal + grappling and joint locks...and so the old Kung Fu and we can go on. But the day the arts became sports something has been sacrificed for safety or whatever.
Great video and practical observation. I have always loved Wing Chun because of looking up to Bruce Lee, obviously, but I have been an amateur boxer,trained Muay Thai and BJJ before being a professional MMA fighter, and I’m always telling people that Wing Chun could be effective, if the person using it is good and knows how to fight.
@@johnluna9286 - oh yeah, ageed..
As a military brat I was fortunate enough to have lived and learned so much, particularly where my journey in martial arts led me. And this video is right on point; I never officially took courses but I somehow managed to run into people who we willing to teach. Karate instructors at gyms I frequented with my dad, Tae Kwan Do instructors through friends who knew I had a capacity of the physical aspects of fighting, even Jiujutsu with some local GI's during a unique training phase of theirs off duty and all. The three main executions (striking, grappling, wrestling) are pretty paramount no matter where you look. When asked what I studied, I'd simply tell them: "Nothing. But I have attempted to master just about everything."
Excellent commentary! Well thought out. You give us all food for thought. Thank you. 🥋
I've done TKD and Karate, with a second degree blackbelt in TKD. And you are right. Punching, kicking, and grappling are the moves that work. I've also taught self defence. Most of the flash from martial arts were thrown out.
Thank you! I've been having this argument about Kenpo on another video. Kenpo fighting theory and sparring ARE NOT what you're is part of the curriculum. At least back in the 80s and 90s when I studied it. We studied self defense techniques and forms for our promotions. My school did add in full contact sparring at purple belt but it was more of a survive and pass thing. That being said, Kenpo theory, as found in Parker's books, was practical.
Exactly why MMA fighters train in boxing & muay tai(striking), judo & jiu jitsu(grappling) and wrestling or Greco roman wrestling(ground and pound) these are practical martial arts that compliment each other and can be trained to build a well rounded fighter
This video is one if the best of its kind. I've found that transitioning between point karate, ITF taekwondo, & kickboxing is pretty easy if you have a base in striking (I did kenpo & American kickboxing for three years before doing 4 years of point karate and now I've been doing 2 years of kickboxing & just started ITF taekwondo). Get good in any style of striking and you'll be good in all. I guess the same goes for grappling & wrestling.
You are 100% correct. The truth hurts, but it will set you free. Ultimately in a street fight, one's preference in a specific style of martial arts is just that, preference. What you need in real life besides diligent training, is situational awareness. Remember, there are No rules in a street fight. It's survival of the fittest. There's always someone bigger, faster or stronger than you.