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The best self defence is to avoid conflict from the start! All martial arts that focuses on self improvement is great imoh I'm trying to get my wife into karate just to stay active "Men are like steel. When they lose their temper, they lose their worth." - Chuck Norris
Too many variables. I guess my answer would be a different set of skills tailored for each unique person. I wouldn’t give a one size fits all answer to all of them. I’m not going to tell a gal who is a cross fit champ to train in the same things as a soft spoke. Bookish girl lol
Rokas should go to an Aikido dojo where they actually do train hard, it kind of seems like maybe maybe he has not experienced that? Have you ever been to Brooklyn Aikikai? All the basic problems still apply, but the physical intensity and pace does make a huge difference. Curious what his view would be if he had actually experienced that.
What she said starting at 12:30 about youth sports is really _great_ insight. My family did not encourage sports at all, (and that's putting it mildly) and I was always scared of everything until I started playing Soccer (of all things) in College. Then after a couple of years of Judo starting when I was 23, my fear level went _way_ down, and I have been so much happier ever since. Parents, _please_ encourage your kids to do some sports. All in all, a great video. This lady really knows what she's talking about.
you starting at 23 gave me hope. I am also considering doing judo/taekwondo at 22, but I felt like i am too weak to start it and too old and unflexible, so I felt really discouraged, not to mention me never being in any sport as a child/teen.
@@99kerosene Well, my friend, as soon as I stop laughing (I'm 68, and 22 seems incredibly young to me) I'll give you some encouragement... Firstly, I don't know if I mentioned it in the comment you are replying to, but I didn't do sports at ll when I was a kind either. When I was 16 my parents, not having the money to buy me a car, bought me a bicycle. I could tell by the look on their faces they thought I was going to be heartbroken, but nothing could be further from the truth. Over the next 20 years, mostly in my late 20's, I rode well over 100,000 miles on a bicycle. It completely changed my life. At 19, I took up Soccer, and played well enough to make the varsity team at the small college I attended. I took up Judo in my 20's, cross country and Nordic Skiing in my 30's, rollerblading and some hockey in my 40's, and Pickelball in my 60's. You are not even close to too old to take up new sports. And btw, you've probably heard that men reach their physical peak at about 18. RUBBISH! If you stay reasonably active, you won't even notice any decline at all until you're about 40. Go for it!
I’ve given self defense for my young daughter a lot of thought. One thing I don’t hear people discuss are the various situations a woman might find herself in and the applicability of the different martial arts. Situations such as date rape, assault by an authority figure, school bullying, etc… and not just the standard “being attacked on the street”.
Those issues are more tactical issues than martial issues oftentimes and mothers or friends often teach good stuff for that. This includes always hold on to your drink, don’t be one on one in a room, always go out with friends to watch your back, etc etc
@@badart3204 but this is a martial arts channel and a woman’s self defense ranking video. I think there is some discussion warranted along these lines in the context of this video.
I don't know if you've heard or not, but martial arts are only good if they're good on da streetz, with 5 attackers with knives, wearing body armor and a variety of guns. Actual common self-defense? Doesn't exist! Some guy acts up at an airport? Take him to the ground by breaking his nose and knee, hope his head smashes on the tiled floor, and just in case that doesn't do it, you should already have your knife or gun pulled out! If some big girl is sitting on your daughter and pulling her hair, that's not worth talking about, you don't need martial arts for that, just smooth talking skills!
I like BJJ for self defense for this exact reason. The unfortunate reality is you're more likely to be attacked by someone you know/trust, which means you may be in a bad position before you really realize you have to defend yourself. Since BJJ teaches you to work from a bad position, I think it's an important skill to have. Sure, it doesn't cover everything, but it's something you definitely don't want to need and not know how to do.
I think judo may have one of the best pedagogy around : no other martial art has such a clearly defined chart of moves devided in both difficulty and danger to the practicioners , Catch Wresling doesn't have that as far as i know , it's up to the teacher ...
Would you say that judo has become somewhat overshadowed by bjj? I just recently listened to a discussion with Rhadi Fergusson where he claimed that that wasn’t the case. However, I see many more bjj schools than judo schools. They’re both awesome arts and sports in my opinion; judo just needs more exposure.
I used to love working take downs. I took judo in my late teens and twenties. My BJJ coach works takedowns maybe monthly but they’re more wrestling based than what we did in judo class. As a person nearly 40 I don’t like working that as much. I certainly have some take down game better than most in the class, but I did hyperextend my knee at the beginning of the year. I think bjj has a better competition scene but also think the physical barriers are tougher to overcome for a judo player.
Definitely, BJJ has done a very good job marketing itself. However, people often overlook that the emphasis on throwing in Judo is offputting to people, especially adults. It can be more intimidating which leads to people dropping out of the sport. BJJ doesn’t have the fear of getting Costa minutes . My biggest issue with BJJ when people talk about offence versus Judo, is that, yes, BJJ has a better ground game than Judo, but BJJ and Judo ground work are easily effective enough in the self-defence situation, no one is pulling spider guard In self defence. You just need to know how to him someone, control them, and if necessary, apply high percentage submissions such as we’re naked, choke and straight on numbers. However, BJJ doesn’t really focus on stand-up at all, so against the average person their standard isn’t going to be particularly effective, whereas a judoka Will have no issue with the stand-up game, and they will also have significantly more experience with transitions. Issue with Judo is that it is harder to become proficient in. In my opinion, BJJ is 1000 techniques that each take one listen to man (the basics of) Judo is 60 techniques that each take. 2-4 weeks to learn, so it’s a lot harder to feel like you are making progress in Judo.
I remember complaining in the past about a video of yours on women's self defense which lacked the perspective of an actual woman. I have yet to see this video, and I don't know if you made it with that comment in mind, but I just want to say you have a great capacity to accept critique, and also for self criticism, and that is surely the key to your success as a martial arts divulgator. Keep the good work!
Thank you! This video was 100% inspired by the comments that critiqued me for asking another guy about women's self defense. It was such a good insight that I'm embarrassed I didn't think of it myself before. Here's to fixing our mistakes!
Just five minutes in and already really enjoying it. Amber is just incredibly coherent and articulate, considering things like confidence making you less targetable, or the physical effort the average person would need to make said martial art effective... We usually think confidence is dangerous and assume judo is great because high level athletes use it successfully, so this is a refreshing perspective
@@MartialArtsJourney That's stupid. Women are half of the population. Being a woman doesn't mean you know anything more about "women's self defense" and being a man doesn't mean you don't know about it.
@@MartialArtsJourneywatching this video made me want to get into martial arts myself. I’ve been researching purely for copywriting, your comments section is useful, plenty of takes, plus your content seems to tackle the problems in all directions. Thank you for this insightful platform 🙏🏻 I’ve been hearing self-defense is just mkt phrasing, Then is there such thing as self-defense? If yes, is it limited to martial arts?
@@AnaMariaSocae It depends. Some people argue that self defence is a legal term. So a plea entered after an arrest when someone is incapacitated or broke his neck when you threw him on the kerb. And then it depends on the area where you live what constitutes reasonable force. You have the right to protect your own life and therefore the right to defend someone else but there are legal limits and it varies. Those who object to the self defence industry and possibly use the term self-protection which is not a legal term tend to vary in their approach so for some its purchase a gun and a carry conceal licence practice with someone who is very skilled at gun self protection classes. It still requires training but is the quickest way given that the self defence industry offers a quick way but their one doesn't work. If you were prepared to take more time then the general advice is eat more healthily gain strength and fitness including flexibility. So for that you could take up modern dance, ballet, gymnastics parkour whatever you enjoyed doing and would promote the muscle gain (so some kind of weight lifting programme) strength stamina and flexibility that would enable you to defend yourself better. Then the difference between martial arts and more focussed training would be the intensity of the combat. But this chap Amber has done videos on what she thinks its about and its still try to avoid getting into a fight as paramount. I'm like you without the content prep I just like watching videos and look for things for my kids to do. So for now karate but they've started football because they enjoy on weekends. And swimming because we have a heatwave in bangalore for now and that climate change is not going to change longer term unless it gets hotter. Being popular in school can lessen the chances of bullying so football works I think. In theory
When amber said jiujitsu is S tier when someone is already on your guard but priority should be not to get in that position, I really get what she means. She is definitely right. But I also think about the usual situations of violence an average woman may run into, and I think "deciding to make out with a man, he being on top of you, and then he turning aggressive and trying to force you into things you don't want to do" unfortunately has to be a really common situation.
You're probably right that it's a more common situation than it should be but I also think that maybe there were other indicators earlier on that this guy might be the predatory type?
You can be 5 years into a relationship before shit goes sideways.... and at that point you are probably so messed up in the head / scared you aren't going to go hard
@@melusine826 Granted, some people are really good at being manipulative/secretive but there are always signs if one pays attention. This is also what friends are for and why females tend to "gossip" to each other about boyfriends - a good friend will tell you, tactfully, when shit ain't right :)
@3nertia yea but this is about which martial art would be most beneficial in the case where you miss those red flags. If the answer is always "situational awareness" and not ending up in the situation in the first place, then that essentially makes the conversation they are having, and all martial arts, pointless.
Amber is absolutely a great person to ask about which martial arts would help women best, get a female's perspective since many self-defense demos come from men and don't always account for strength or height difference. We need more of this, Q&A's and collaborations. Maybe Rokas and Amber can do some demos if they ever meet in a gym.
In defense of Capoeira: It has advantages in developing a general kind of athleticism, will enhance your distance management capabilities, will upgrade your 3D-moveability-competence and all that while strengthening a positive mindset and providing the joy of singing together. Not by accident has it the highest rate of female to male long term practitioners (within the arts I did study) and will produce women that have the muscle set to tank and dish out. Combine it with Kali/Silat or any hybrid defense system that does sparring later on and your good to go. Or do Combat Sambo from the beginning, if you have the training options and are willing to invest substantially.
Um, yea that's kind of the point of her being here. Have you not ever seen a woman speak her mind before lol? It's not some incredible feat of courage.
At 27:10, what she says about being good at talking is right on! I talked my way out of what could have been a deadly situation for me and for the guy that asked for my help, and by the time it was over, the would-be mugger walked us both to our car while telling his accomplices to leave us alone and even opened the door for us! Here are the details for those interested: I was in a bus station in a very rough part of town when a guy came up to me and asked for my help. He pointed to another guy and said he was trying to rob him as he had seen him get change for $100 bill. (Both the guy asking for my help and I were quite small and unassuming. The guy allegedly trying to mug him was large and imposing.) I told him that I would like to help but I couldn't be sure it wasn't a set up between the two of them trying to rob me. I said just sit here for a while and we'll see what happens. The mugger saw that he was trying to enlist my help so he came over and started trying to intimidate me to get me to go away. He was a tall black guy from a neighborhood where I had lived as a kid. I said to him “Hey, I know you, you were on the Lawton High School basketball team.” ( A reasonable assumption in a town where Blacks and Whites were largely separated and most kids had nothing to do but sports.) He stood up straight and proud and said that he was on the team, but he admitted that he was not a starter. I said “ But you should have been. You had some great moves!” We got to chatting about LHS, where my brothers went, and about 5 minutes later when my parents arrived to pick me up, we started walking toward the door where two other large guys were waiting in a car between the door and my parent’s car, obviously working with the mugger. The guy opened the door for us, and walked us out to my car, telling his friends that these guys were cool and to leave us alone. Believe it or not, he even opened the door for us! We left safely. Boom! Total victory!
Oh man this is the one of these I didn't know I needed before I watched it. I've seen a few videos with Amber (like Icy Mike), and her analysis & technique has always been so on-point. Awesome collab!
I actually put bjj as S for women and always recommend it to them. Someone trying to have their way with you will try and hold you down on the floor. That is exactly bjj domain. If you expect to out wrestle or out punch a big man that is trying to hurt you or worse, you are better running away. Now if he grabs you and pushed you down, well, well, well, time to break some bones
As somebody who has had a Judo background I do like the fact that Judo does focus on standing while yet at the same time the ground fighting aspect still gives you something to fall back on as a last resort if need be as opposed to having to use it as your primary go to open.Ground fighting is okay and has its place but in many self defense situations it should never be the go to option and if you're training in BJJ as opposed to judo your first instinct might be to use it as a go to option while it may not be all that great of an option.
@3nertia I Would say they are pretty much 50/50 judo usually is trained with gi and grabbing legs(just preparing an attack is banned) so there would be some while wrestling has a bit less of throw variety but has more explosivity that really might come in handy (judo also has some chokes/locks)but overall i feel they are really similar.
Judo focuses on standing and has ground work but the imposition of the most recent Olympic rules mitigates the efficacy of both. Any bum with no grappling experience has the chance to tackle a judoka who can’t sprawl and utilizes an upright posture. Judo Koshi waza exposes the back to an opponent and can put a newbie with bad kuzushi in a compromising position. Judo ne waza in reality focuses 80% on the turnover and pin or submission from turtle or flat on the stomach so it really isn’t this complete fall back plan as you said. Judokas have a tendency to fall to their stomach if they hit the ground which I have caught myself doing in MMA sparring. Gi grips have to be adapted in an environment where strikes are permitted making a potentially dangerous situation. Many judoka get rolled over with their throws which ends up with their opponent in top position even if it would score ippon under the rules of the sport. Don’t get me wrong I like Judo but I think we need to scrutinize it like we do BJJ for some obvious flaws. All of these martial arts when not cross trained can be blinded in their own rule set of their dominance.
@@3nertia While I do appreciate the fact that Judo sort of has kata or drills which address thing specifically pertaining to self defense/weapons to a degree which Greco Roman/various forms of Western wrestling does not have I think that both can hold there own fairly well against an attacker.I would say that even though judo does have weapon drill stuff some of that stuff is fairly hard to train and learn how to effectively apply. while I still appreaciate the fact that this type of stuff is present in judo I sort of think that many judoka and many Greco Roman wrestlers might not have the easiest time against weapons.Not that weapons are the easiest for anybody to deal with.However if were talking about other forms of wrestling double leg take downs might be a pretty dangerous technique to try to pull off when theres weapons involved.
I really appreciate Amber's perspective on Kenpo! I actually train BJJ primarily now and what Amber said about Kenpo's teaching methodology is spot on! Kenpo's self defense techniques are often a bit sketchy but the thought process behind them teaches you very well how to learn martial arts by breaking things down into basics, the reconstructing them to face fluid situations. There are a few videos out there of Ed Parker explaining the analogy of letters to words to sentences in putting together your attack and defense which applies very well to any system! Great video Rokas!
I'm a man but if i was asked by any of my female friends what they should train in i would say go full blown MMA with some BJJ on the side. The reason is simple with MMA you not only learn be a well rounded fighter but you know what to expect from an attacker in terms of hand to hand combat. With BJJ your lack of size won't be much of a disadvantage and most all if an attacker overpowers you and puts you on your back the odds will be in your favor as a woman.
MMA might be too much sense it's actually fighting and not self defense. The law might treat the mma fighter like the aggressor the same way they do with boxers.
In my opinion for women or smaller people for striking muy thai because you're elbows, knees, kicks. I didn't mention boxing because women don't have enough punching power to knock out a man. But with the leg kicks, knees, and elbows it could really hurt somebody. For grappling jiu jitsu because 9 times out of 10 an untrained man is going to grab a woman who is smaller and weaker. Women should train grappling first and striking second. But in a real life situation strike first and try to get away and grappling should be the last option.
Really love her perspective, especially about boxing. Holding fast and striking somebody in the face gets results and is much safer than many other things that could end in a failed attempt, but some form of grappling to round it off is imho the "best" way to defend yourself. Even as somebody much more comfortable with kicks, I'd practically never throw one in a street fight.
I used to teach a class to women. In my experience it's not the same as a specific martial art. In most cases women who take a self-defense class do not have any experience in any fighting art, so you need to cherry pick techniques from any of the above Martial arts which fulfill several criteria: -Easy to learn -Effective -Easy to execute -Intuitive -Tailored to the specific student, including physical fitness, skills, environment, possible situations, etc.
Please, can you give me advice on the most self-defense sport? I feel confused and lost because I am a skinny girl and my clothes outside are always modest dresses that are long for the feet, so I am afraid that they will hinder me if I want to choose Judo or Muay Thai! I just want to defend myself!! 😅Thank you very much if you answer my question or if anyone reads it and has experience or has an opinion on the subject.🌹
@@Selma-Afnane Martial Arts are mostly for fun and good health. For self-defense nothing beats weapons like pepper spray, a taser or a handgun. Another option is a tactical knife or Karambit, and taking classes on how to handle a blade in self-defense. They would teach that in arts like Kali, Filipino arts or Silat. And a long dress shouldn't be an impediment in those cases. Example: th-cam.com/video/bcbjl1nJuFg/w-d-xo.html
Wow it must be pretty hard to find a legit good Karate Dojo, specially in the U.S. if she has such a bad impression of the art it must be because those schools were pretty sport karate focused, Mcdojos or simply bad teachers. Karate is even more complete than some of the arts above it in the list. Anyways, I really enjoy these ranking videos a lot, keep them coming 🔥🥋
This kind of comparison is just for fun. What really matter is the competency of the trainers. This day ppl combine and cross train diff MA. A taekwondo teacher could also be excel in boxing and teach it to the students. Plus knowledge in sport science, fighting experience, etc.
Agree 👍 says a lot about us standards for sure. Karate is the original mma and includes many if not all of other martial arts . In fact is from my experience the best to start with and then after to experience other styles as you have set solid foundations . Pressure testing is often not done enough although
Reminds me of a conversation with my Aikido sensei. I ask him what I should do if someone kicks me. And he just said, "Look, he's standing on one leg." And I ask again what I should do about a kick, and again he said, "He's standing on one leg." And then he said, "You know , how long it take to perform a well-balanced kick without exposing yourself? Years... And no one with that much training would kick you on the street. He has been teaching Aikido for 40 years now and was a stundent under Yoshigasaki, the founder of Shin Shin Aikido. Therefore, I think he is one of the very few people who are honest when it comes to martial arts.
@@federicostanzani3437 Aikido is indeed a martial art. But the emphasis is on the art part of it. For fighting and self defense it's not as effective as the in the movies.
That entirely depends on the disability. I have a guy who trains at my BJJ gym who doesn't have a working lower body but he's very accomplished and a solid blue belt.
My Karate teacher was a small guy who came up to my shoulder. He worked as a security guard at a hospital and regularly had to grapple people into submission. We worked on traditional kata. We worked on traditional bunkai, which in Okinawan karate includes a lot of grappling and joint locks and such. We worked on practical applications to street fighting. We sparred. We sparred on a balance beam. I got to kickbox against a boxer on multiple occasions. We did ground techniques (because, yes, they were a part of karate). We practiced flips with people going head over heels on mats (yes there are flips in traditional kata). We practiced break falls. We practiced on a heavy punching bag. We had a makiwara and we did certain kinds of conditioning. The upshot of this is I don’t recognize the characterization of karate in this video. And there are a lot of misperceptions swirling out there about karate being nothing more than robotic block and punch.
You learned the True Karate the problem are in America we have a lot of Fake Teacher in Karate that doesn't know what they're doing and only teach robotic block and punch they doesn’t understand the essence of Karate, Okinawa Karate are more than block and punch is a Complete martial arts and have Grappling skills too.
Hearing the fit-kickboxing classes ruining kickboxing is so sad, yet so common. Fitbox classes are found everywhere and people hit pads without proper technique and then hurt their wrists... and I am like 'please be careful with your joints!' That said, I love kickboxing, but I don't do it for self-defense. The main self-defense it gives me is confidence and the attitude that people avoid me. haha
Agreed. After taking a kickboxing course for a semester, I was immediately more confident walking down the street. Although, more recently, I’ve seen some scarier stuff, which has put me off my confidence a bit… mainly, people having guns. 😕 can’t kick or punch your way out of those ones.
@@anastasiya256 Nah when it comes to guns, I thankfully don't really have to fear them. But if ever, I think I'd just... give what they want or run. No point fighting that.
Hey Rokas. I would love to see you do one of these self defense videos that includes Hapkido. Hapkido is a very near and dear martial art to me. Like Krav Maga it's advertised as a self defense martial art, but unlike Krav Maga it actually delivers on that promise. I've seen a good bit of Hapkido online though, and it doesn't look the same as when I trained, so my Dojang may have been one of those outliers, but the way I was trained was extremely effective. In my Sabumnim's words, "A mugger isn't going to wait until you're a black belt before attacking you." We addressed clinching, striking, throwing, and ground work. We didn't do forms, and instead practiced applying techniques against a partner who would put themselves in position for you to apply the technique (i.e they would grab your wrist so you could apply one of the many techniques we learned to handle the situation) but would be instructed to resist and not just let you apply the wrist lock or whatever, so that you would have to apply the technique correctly. We also sparred at 50-60% power so we could practice technique application on an actual opponent, AND we learned how to identify threats, respond with the appropriate level of force, and de-escalate of possible. I'd say that out of all of the martial arts I've seen you rate, Hapkido (at least, the way I was trained) would be the most effective after only a year. I trained on and off for about two years (I was in high school at the time and did a lot of extra activities, so I didn't always have the time) but I have still been able to apply and use the techniques in real life scenarios. Note that I'm male, 34 now. only 5'5" on a good day, and a little overweight, and it has still worked for me. There were women in my class who were tiny, and the techniques were just as effective for them as long as they applied them correctly and used their body weight, center of gravity, and movement instead of relying on strength. One of my classmates weighed maybe 75 pounds, and was able to apply the moves to much larger opponents who were actually resisting. I'd love to see you do a review on the art as a whole and see what you think.
I spent my 17- 30s with a guy who did a lot of mma and multiple styles ( like 6-10 styles) . He LIKED hurting people and supposedly competed. He was at one point twice my weight and soooo much stronger. Statistically the most dangerous person to a woman is our partner or a male we know - which means the psychological component and hesitation to hurt that person is our worst detriment. I think i could go hard on a guy if a random attack, but from the guys i trusted , i froze when they ignored my lack of consent.... so yeah. Its not so clear cut. Fyi i was the mma guys' grappling dummy and it was the only time i was allowed to say no ( yes thats exactly what you think). So i got pretty good at taking hard locks/holds and not tapping out 😅🤔. Not sure thats a good thing
This is a very important point. Thank you for raising and sorry you had to experience this. When I have taught women's self-defense, this is something I always tried to start with (though it is a difficult thing to do right). Basically, my point would be "We are going to deal a bit with the 'getting attacked by a stranger' type thing, but you really need to understand that statistically you are in the most danger from a domestic partner or boyfriend. It is important to know this and address this, which has almost nothing to do with martial arts." I'd also start a lot of my classes by making the participants yell aggressively in my (or one of the other male instructor's) face. I had read that a big barrier too many women was the willingness to be rude or confrontational with someone, especially someone they know. I definitely found that to be true in many classes. For some women, it would take a lot of effort to get over the discomfort of yelling "Get the F*CK away from me" right in my face, but I also enjoyed the sense of liberation I often saw after they broke through. My main point (which I got from Rory Miller) was that if you can't be rude to someone, you are definitely going to have a hard time physically confronting and potentially harming someone. FWIW: When I teach general self-defense I also point out that the 99% solution for males to avoid a physical attack is to avoid any environment where alcohol is involved. Not sexy, but it is the reality of the world.
Also I learned from many women the freeze response is actually a survival instinct to avoid getting clobbered to death by some deranged psychopath. Which puts to rest the whole "hurr durr why wasn't she trying to fight him off" argument
From my POV as a longtime JKD practitioner: I went to a school where my sifu was directly under Dan Inosanto, and structured the JKD classes as both competitive MMA and plenty of pressure sparring. We were taught how to "use the jeet" to intercept incoming blows and redirect them in mid to extreme close range. Lots and lots of Filipino Kali crosstraining (I mean we were Inosanto-aligned, that makes perfect sense to me), lots of pressure points, and a solid Muay Thai base were also parts of the core training no matter what we went onto later. From a self-defense standpoint, I found my school's "version" of JKD to be effective and useful. (The only other JKD school near me was heavy into Wing Chun, and no knocking it, it was also efficient, but based on more traditional Chinese styles than the Thai/Filipino blend that we practiced). My sifu did offer classes specifically for Women's Self Defense, and they were taught with zero MMA mindset, just what could be effective and 15 minutes of pressure sparring at the end of every hour-long class. Some of the women who took it were scary to watch after a few weeks. Was it JKD? Definitely in the sense of "absorb what is useful" that Bruce Lee used to write about. The style was drawn from every system my school offered (Muay Thai, BJJ, JKD, Kali, Wing Chun trapping) and focused entirely on what could be applied swiftly, easily, and efficiently. That might not be the same as what Bruce Lee laid down, but you can't argue it didn't work. And most of the students at my school tended to follow that core doctrine of "if it works, use it; if it doesn't, then don't." I guess what I'm trying to say is it was unorthodox in terms of style, but faithful in terms of philosophy. And one final point: in the two instances where I did need to defend myself after training there, I was able to neutralize my opponent's attack and GTFO before things got bad. I'm not saying I won or I took my opponent down, I'm saying I managed to use what I had learned to stop them just long enough to escape the situation unharmed. In my books, that's what self defense should ultimately be about.
I trained in a Inosanto affiliated JKD/Kali school years ago and it was the same thing, we did a lot of sparing/bag/Pad work, even sparing with blunt knives and padded sticks, as well as submission wrestling, it was great and probably the 2nd best school that taught me to fight aside from when I trained strait up Muay Thai in my early 20s. They also did women's defense classes for women who weren't trained and same thing only simple effective ways to get away and keep you alive, along with situational awareness. On the flip side one of the instructors was a woman who was certified JKD/Kali under Dan Inosanto, who also studied Sayoc Kali, Boxing and Muay Thai (outside of the school), and she was a fkin bad-ass and not afraid to go full out toe-to toe with the men at the school.
@@SnowWolf9999 Yeah that 100% sounded like my school. We had Sayoc classes as well for the upperclassmen, and brought in experts on Savate (for footwork and use of shoes) and Tuhon Atienza for seminars on self defense in street situations. I loved training there, I just eventually got priced out.
For women's self defence, the very first technique I teach is the eye gouge. The first thing you will do is the first thing that you learn, so I make sure that it will be effective. That, ear slaps, elbows to the throat/neck, stomp kicks to the knees and knees into the groin seem to stop most problems. If a martial art is not teaching these on the first day, then it will not really teaching self defence . But I suppose I teach this because I come from a karate background. But in a self defence situation, never, ever go to the ground. But the number one self defence technique of all? Avoid the situation. If you get into physical combat, then something has already gone wrong.
Yes! As I commented above we were just talking about arts where you fight fair. Chances are if a woman is being attacked it's already not a fair fight, no need to be polite!
From what I was told is that women should learn grappling first before striking. 9 times out of 10 an untrained man is going to grab you. But in a self defense situation always strike first then try to get away. If the man somehow is able to grab you that's you learn grappling first. Agree with going to the ground should be the last option.
So you practice eye gouging? With goggles or sth? You're a chick with a dude on top and you try to press into his eyes, then what? He's still on top. Not only will you be unsuccessful gouging anything if you can't grapple, you won't get out subsequently. Hitting someone in the eyes hurts, but it's not an instant turn-off button.
@@MrCmon113 - If you drive your thumb into the back of their eye socket, suddenly they are reacting to you, not the other way around. And the need to react to an eye gouge is very, very strong. And yes, a proper eye gouge is pretty much an instant win. An eye poke isn't, but that is not what we are talking about. But there is a reason that eye gouges are banned in EVERY combat sport on the planet. Once they are reacting to you, usually grabbing your hand, then you follow up with a knee to the pubic bone or an elbow to the side of the head.
Great to see this video done again with a woman's perspective and opinions, even if the rankings aren't significantly different. The nuance in the conversation matters a lot
It is so frustrating that karate has these negative connotations (as earned as they may be). I run a karate school and we base all of our classes (kids and adults) on the traditional approach which encorporates the use of striking, clinching, throws, and pre-emption as the main ways in which to deal with real life violence. On top of that we run awareness, escape and de-escalation drills to aid the training too.
I feel like karate in general should be much higher than a D- on this list. I would probably give it around a B or B- personally. I can see why it’s not the most effective, but it might get you somewhere. However, it DEPENDS on the school and or style.
Even though I currently train BJJ I still reluctantly accept Amber's evaluation. Not all BJJ schools are the same, but most don't provide a lot of repetitive, consistent self-defense instruction, many give it enough lip service so they can put "Self-Defense" on their sign or website. Where I trained about 30% of the blue belt requirements covered self-defense from standing, I also trained Fit To Fight for 10 months, and the self defense concepts and techniques were very similar except for some minor details and emphasis. We also put on gloves and drilled dealing with punches and kicks. I recognize this is rarer with BJJ than it used to be. The most important things about self defense are Awareness, Avoidance, Attitude and always stomp the groin twice. /jk I think showing up and applying anything rated C or above is generally better than not training at all. The 6 month yardstick is a good one to use and rate self-defense instruction. How much legit self defense will someone likely learn if they consistently show up and train every week for 6 months.
She is so dead on about almost everything. She's so smart and insightful. Truth is, most of us are amazing at self defense because we avoid physical confrontation all the time.
I agree that the best option is avoiding the situation. The more tools in your toolbox, the better... However, I am really disappointed that you included gun-fu, but you didn't include pepper spray. In many cases, a woman is going to be at a disadvantage in a physical encounter. But if it doesn't warrant a gun, pepper spray is a good option. I am a big guy. Even with 30+ years of martial arts experience, I still carry pepper spray. I don't want to get into a physical fight, and if forced to fight, I would deploy pepper spray first if the opportunity presented itself.
Improv classes! Fantastic idea! This is why I love Fit to Fight, Amber, and YOU! Thanks for bringing this to us. Full disclosure, I am not a woman but have always been intrigued by "women's self defense" and what women themselves have to say about it and their perspective is always much different than a man's...
Yes, the tricky one is Filipino Martial Arts (Kali/Escrima/Arnis) since yes, there is a lot of variability, but also because most people don't know what it is. FMA proper is warfare. It is not tame or nice at all. It is killing or maiming the enemy. Which is a bit of a problem for your regular lawful self defence deal. The obvious thing to spot right from the outset is that FMA is complete. Wrestling through to archery. The thinking is not restricted to 'empty hand self defence' at all. Blades are ever present. Which again, is.a major problem for your regular self defence thinking. But FMA shows you the actual parameters in a lawless or warfare environment perfectly.
Yeah most people only think it's some stick drills. However this is another art that has some quality control issues in the US, I've trained with actual FMA instructors who spent years and years perfecting their skills and have also seen guys that did a few seminars and got certified online teaching the FMA program at local Karate schools labeled as FMA experts.
Something that she only touched on briefly is unfortunately for women a lot of self-defense scenarios are not "stranger on the street". It's more "in a crowded bar" or as she pointed out "someone you trusted". Martial Arts just do not address those situations, which is why I loved her comment at the end about improv. Honestly a real women's self defense course should probably only have a minimal amount of punching and kicking. PS This is not to say women should not do martial arts! Just know that it does not equal self-defense.
Krav maga does with Stay Away course, seminars and scenario training. Fighting multiple attackers in the dark with loud music in a crowd is hard but something I practised during my krav training sessions. One of the sickest scenarios we ever did is throwing a women in a lockerroom with a large male attacker while being lured by another girl that was crying on the floor. We shut the door as soon as she walked in.
Aside from the MMA thing (lol), the Judo ranking seems the most out of place to me. I do and enjoy Judo, and I think it's a great supplement to other martial arts (as Ronda used it), but on its own, very lacking. If you take off your gi jacket, the average Judoka will feel completely lost and are going to have very few options. The ruleset in Judo is very specific, which means their groundwork is nowhere near that of BJJ and wrestling, and often encourages bad practices. For general self defense I'd put, Wrestling > BJJ > Judo. For women I'd probably swap BJJ and wrestling just due to having more attack options off your back.
how many people do you encounter outside that don't wear cloths, and how often are you naked on the steets that you don't feel the need for defense againt grabs on cloths?
@@TB-fm8kf Who said anything about naked? You won't get (for example) a collar-sleeve grip on most clothes... How many street fight videos have you seen between people wearing winter coats?
@@buubtube You learn in Judo to defend againt cloth grappling, you don't in non-gi arts. by far, the most attacks on women on the streets begins with grabbing cloths. so if you don't run around naked, Judo has the edge abouve all non-gi arts
This was a really good and honest interview it explained that it is not the style but the teaching that is so important!I have trained most of my life in many of those arts,Every street fight I have fought I won using a combo of them,A guy was coming at me with a broken bottle and I took him out with one front kick,I fought some really good boxers and used judo to finish them quick and some chokes! I think my hands got pretty fast from years of Filipino Arnis, I also fought in the Golden Gloves,Depending on who you are who you are fighting and the place you are fighting,no one style will work,Just develop skills,be in good condition and don't hesitate to really hurt your opponent! For a woman Boxing is very effective just open your fingers and go for the eyes then get out of there!
As long as they know how to shoot or are at least competent in deploying the firearm. But these are Europeans and don't have freedom at all, so of course they will shut that down.
Number one reason I don't like these rankings, is because realistically, you have to either practice standing and ground work, AND you have to be taught street smarts and preventative tactics. The arguement is always "oh, well people don't have time to take multiple martial arts, so this is if they could only pick ONE." The answer is, take a women's self-defense class that combines Judo, BJJ, FMA techniques concepts, and cherry picks those that have universal principles and would be used a lot in the context of women. What it can't have are martial art techniques or concepts that encourage "playing" fighting. You don't want to Box, you don't want to fight Muay Thai or Karate. You don't want to pull guard, you don't want to give your back to do a throw. You want to be able to avoid looking like a victim, you want to look like you'd be trouble in terms of time or noise or danger. You want to have enough wit to de-escalate. When it comes to physical contact you want to break grips and be ready to throw. You don't want to engage (like Judo) and throw, but you want to react and throw if someone grabs you. You don't want to go for a guard pull + sweep, but for a sweep if you get yanked down. You don't want to punch, but if they swing at you you want to be able to get out of the way and do damage on the way out (eyes, nose, neck, balls, depending which level you're evading). Point is, you need to know how to avoid conflict, how to be trouble and buy time, how to disengage grips and grabs effectively (including throws), how to get out of pins, how to get back to your feet and how to do damage quickly and effectively without engaging in a fight and putting up your hands like a moron, facing a 230 lb dude who has longer reach and way more power than you. You want to know the law of self-defense in your jurisdiction and when it's worth risking breaking the law, and when it's not.
I have been doing BJJ and other mixed martial arts for a decade now, and I've never been to a jiujitsu school that didn't teach take downs, working from the clinch and wall wrestling. If the class is really big and there's no room, sure we'll all be on our knees, but the idea that the majority of BJJ students that have been doing this for a considerable time, DON'T know how to take someone down to the ground, is ridiculous. And secondarily, running from an attacker is always the best option until they grab you and get close. (Then you have no choice but to engage in some kind of grappling.) All of that being said, its a tool. Not a tool for every case scenario, but its a tool regardless. Just like striking, or running, or even using a weapon.
Yeah I’ve seen this a lot lately. I’ve cross trained at a lot of gyms around the country(US) and I’ve never been to a gym that did zero takedowns and takedown defense. It’s not judo or wrestling level but most schools teach higher percentage takedowns. You definitely don’t spend as much time on each takedown as they do in a judo or wrestling class though so bjj athletes probably aren’t winning these competitions. But since they work high percentage takedowns it’s probably good for the streets. The competition scene and memes about butt scooting probably give people that impression. They also work the clinch like Muay Thai. I do think it’s still properly ranked just below judo though.
Solid point. I think being very skilled at judo (and I'm talking at least brown belt level which can take a couple of years), is advantageous trying to actually a throw a skilled grappler, but the basic takedowns (and takedown defense) you get in most BJJ schools is more than enough to deal with an untrained or even slightly skilled opponent.
The thing is judo gives a person the sense of balance on feet that no other art does. You can hardly take down a good judoka because their firm as a stone when standing . Judo is the only art which has an specialised sweep takedowns which makes them more aware of balancing in feet. The idea of self defense it taking someone down in a controlled manner while also making sure you don't stay down with them and if somehow you go down with them u either submit them quick or stand back up and manage distance which judo does perfectly
I think anyone that actually does BJJ knows that this common critique is BS. Every BJJ gym teaches either JJJ, Wrestling or Judo standing techniques (or all of them). The exception may be if the club ALSO has those separate martial art classes, and each one is more focused due to that. Although you see lots of guard pulls in comp, it's usually because both competitors are trained in standing, and it's hard to take each other down, so one of them gives up and takes them to the ground. Sometimes you also see standing subs, or takedown into sub.
A consideration that I don't see mentioned often is age and time. It's different if you're putting an 8 year old girl into a martial art to learn self defense or a 50 year old woman. If you put an 8 year old into Judo seriously, in 10 years they're going to be very strong, and very athletic with thousands of rounds of sparring under their belt and able to defend themselves well against most average people and have a very good understanding of their own physical capabilities. Take that 50 year old and in 10 years they are either going to be competent or have been down a lot for injuries. Some martial arts will turn you into an athlete, but only if you start at the right time. Others will never turn you into an athlete and build that physical base. And depending on your age and athletic base, which path you choose will get you different results.
Thank you for pointing out the detriment cardio kickboxing(I feel dirty saying it) has done to actual kickboxing. I've competed in both kickboxing and muay thai. It has ruined what people think of actual kickboxing. I have also done studio karate and jiu-jitsu. The issue with a ton of martial arts and "self defense" schools is that they do not prepare their people(men or women) for just how brutal 200lbs dude or even a determined 150lbs dude can be. Part of this is the school and part of this is both men and women, for different reasons can have a difficult time getting past the fear of what it is really like to get truly be attacked. This is were boxing, kickboxing(muay thai), jui-jitsu, mma, wrestling, etc truly can be beneficial. The problem of course is this training takes time and how do you get people in the door and to stay. When it comes to firearms, although not perfect, there are 500,000-2.5 million times per year(per CDC, not quite pro gun) people, mostly untrained use a firearm in some way to save their life or stop a crime. This is a staggering number, even on the low end. A firearm is a force multiplier that truly can even the odds with minimal training. Obviously the more the better. Schools like Tactical Response can train someone in two days to be reasonably proficient in fighting with a gun, mindset being the most important asset. I get what your point about having people clear a house when they could just leave. Any decent firearms school will reinforce this, but you do need to create scenarios to challenge people, induce stress and teach specific skills. Anyways, great overall video. Sorry for the long post.
Nice interview. Although I disagree with some (e.g., the lack of quality control in Krav Maga is a bigger deal to me), I think the list was generally good and she was transparent and honest when she ranked things based on limited experience.
I would say that they are both equally flawed. It’s just become fashionable to be contrarian about BJJ but Judo, even though it is superficially sound, has a lot of problems for making it a self defense art even removing her criticisms of the toll on one’s body. I like both and practice both but this is the reality.
@@gudea5207 Yeah if I was to bet on the average BJJ practitioner (who practices gi and no-gi as most do) vs the average Judoka in a street fight, I'd put all my money on the BJJ guy.
“I have no experience with it so let me put it here” A lot of people on either side. Stand up guys or BJJ guys have their views on what is best. All I ask is give something a try for at least 6months. Find a school for example one that teaches the gracie combatives. Try that for 6 months and then give feedback. All martial arts have their flaws. I did karate for a large part of my life then moved over to kickboxing. Realising the flaws of karate. I then also started doing bjj to supplement my kick boxing. I am part of a gracie bjj school and we practice “fight simulation” where someone else puts on gloves and is allowed to do anything. Punch kick and so on. Where the partner is only allowed to use bjj. It’s fun and clearly shows your gaps and pressure testing the things you learned. Can’t knock things by what you think. Try it first.
I think the reason I think Kravmaga is the best is that I learn everything from punch, kick, wrestling, iKido, knife fencing. I think martial arts, of course, should cover all areas.Would it be easy for a person to give in just because they're punched? Rather, they can attack with chairs, bottles, or in the Philippines, they can come with a knife, or they can bring a friend,
Great conversation and I'm glad you continue to be willing to rationally discuss contentious topics. I think one thing that makes this perhaps more contentious than it should be is trying to rate all of these in a wholistic manner. As comes up several times in the discussion, there is the physical skills (actually dealing with an active physical struggle) and the pre-conflict aspect. This last aspect includes things like situational awareness, avoidance, deescalation, and escape. And I think conflating these two into a single ranking is problematic (you can actually get this several times when Amber trying to place things). In the military, this latter aspect is sometimes referred to as "left of bang" and is usually treated somewhat separately from technical combat skills. For example, you teach hard-core combat skills like marksmanship and room clearing with a focus on effectiveness. You don't explicitly teach the "left of bang" stuff in this training, though you may discuss. That other stuff gets covered separately (as it should in my opinion), though will get incorporated in live exercises and scenario training that involve technical skills. I always treat this similarly with self-defense. I think it is critical for anyone interested in self-defense to spend significant time on "left of bang" things, for which I universally recommend reading Rory Miller and I would routinely do a little of at the beginning of certain classes when I was teaching BJJ. However, I still encourage people to train in an effective martial art if they can afford to whether that art explicitly addresses the "left of bang" stuff or not. Now back to the effectiveness aspect, while I understand the thought process Amber used, I'd definitely challenge her on a bunch of the ranking. Just as a simple example, if you took several groups of women and gave them 6 months to train regularly in a martial arts at the end of which, they'd have to address a physical attack, I personally believe the group that only did BJJ, would fair much better than things like boxing and judo. For context (and as a kind of disclaimer), I am a BJJ black belt, I trained in Aikido for many years in the 90s, I've done a fair amount of boxing training, and studied judo for a year (I am officially ranked as a green belt). After my first year of BJJ, I was able to deal with most people off the streets (something I definitely did not have after several years of Aikido). I can say definitively that I still struggle with applying judo on anyone with even a little training who is trying to resist me throwing them and if I had to rely entirely on striking to handle an aggressive attacker, I'd be in bad shape for sure. I mostly use striking and judo to create distance so I can escape or to create an opening to get to grappling range. Again, I 100% agree that there is not nearly enough focus on the "left of bang" stuff in almost any martial arts, but if I was going to recommend a martial arts path to anyone who had average time to put into it, I'd recommend BJJ supplemented with simple boxing and a good focus on the conceptual material presented by people like Rory Miller (or Matt Thornton). I am actually also a retired military officer who has been involved in some combatives training which also suffers from a lack of clarity in covering these two separate aspects effectively. Anyway, thank you again for all your great content.
Y'all, I LOVE that dude is willing to let others with expertise be great instead of just kinda run with conjecture. I love this. Man allows limelight for others in the same realm and I love it. These perspectives are super valuable.
OK. I've watched a million of these Tier lists for martial arts. Amber comes across as the most modest and knowledgeble person to create this list. She addresses a lot of aspects of the defense that other people don't- For example the full contact aspect of grappling that give kids a lot of confidence. Great job. Oh. but the Krav Maga rating is higher than I thought. lol.
MMA Is a separate martial art. Why? Because no other martial art covers specific techniques for wrestling against a wall and most of all specific techniques for striking while grappling on the ground.
I think JKD is great for people who already have a good foundation in combat sports. Saw some videos of some JKD instructors from NY Martial Arts academy sparring with Jeff Chan and they're absolutely amazing.
when Bruce first started teaching it, he only taught it to trained martial artists, Taki Kimura was the first person he taught JKD that hadn't already been proficient in other arts first
Bruce Lee movie reference "What's your STYLE?" Bruce Lee replies "THE ART OF FIGHTING WITHOUT FIGHTING" She nailed it by saying "If you can talk yourself out of situations"
I'm a man and I felt more comfortable listening to a woman talk about martial arts than I ever have listening to a man. There's not much recognition out there of the existence of men like myself who are not particularly strong, tough or brave but who nonetheless long to find some pathway into martial arts. All I see out there are men (mostly) who are much stronger, tougher and braver I am and it seems impossible to make my way among them (and that often seems to be the point). Even just this woman's acknowledgement that it's intimidating to step into a dojo full of skillful, strong, tough practitioners is helpful. It's like, yeah, okay, my being regarded as weak and lame by comparison isn't a sign of failure, after all... it doesn't mean I've made a mistake showing up in the first place. I'm allowed to be the idiot new guy (the FNG). Bastardizing a line of Jesse Pinkman from _Breaking Bad,_ "I know who I am: I'm the f---ing new guy." 😎 By the way: Permission to simp? (Granted.) That woman in the video is scorching hot. Imagine being the man who can draw the attention of a woman like that. 🤯
I didn't realise how many McDojos are in the US. The JKD training I received here in the UK was so in depth. Functional and very intense. When I joined kickboxing I slaughtered my opponents.
Took hsing-i-chuan kung fu for 2 years. Full contact sparring was a big part of the curriculum. Years later, even though I'd forgotten all my forms, and all details of specific defense techniques, it still totally served me for self-defense. It absolutely improved my balance and made all these weapons on my body available to use second naturedly: (feet, knees, hands, elbows & shoulders) and from whatever angle. I was seriously amazed by what a good choice I'd made to have practiced it!
If you can find a Kung Fu school that actually does full contact sparring, it's a win, win in my mind, the non fighting parts help your flexibility ,balance, awareness of your body's mechanics and meditation better than any other arts I've personally studied, and if you can find one that actually teaches you to fight on top of it, it is seriously like finding a pearl in an oyster.
@SnowWolf9999 plus full contact sparrring is fun & it made me not frightened to take a hit. When we got struck in the ring, the student quickly bowed in acknowledgment of the strike, it was like thanking our opponents for the lesson.
I *_loved_* this video! Not only do I agree with her rankings, even for a guy, but it's so great just hearing her talk...about anything. I've mostly seen her just as basically Ryan's "Professional Uke." Maybe I'm not looking around enough, or whatever. I fully admit it could be my fault, but still... Amber's great. Current-day Ryan vs. maybe 5 years ago Ryan seems like he lost a lot of his humor for some reason? I could be wrong. I probably am. 🤷♂
My two cents... The most common blows that should be most feared on the streets are the 5 below: 1- punches, because anyone knows how to throw a punch even without technique and some people are very athletic even without knowing how to fight and can give you a strong punch (as in Streetbeefs and Strelka fights), not to mention a possible big weight difference on the street, to deal with this well I thought that being very good at boxing would dictate an abyss of technical difference when strength was not enough 2- clinch with knees and sometimes elbows, for that I thought of judo, to throw the attacker on the ground and quickly escape, after all, you don't want to keep exchanging blows in a clinch, you want to get out of there as quickly as possible. I would say that clinch to throw knees is more common in fights than elbows, but in any case, due to the exposure of the arms to grab you and the distance without being too glued, judo seems better for this situation than Greco Roman wrestling 3- grab the shirt (or neck/wrists) to throw punches while the aggressor holds the victim (like what happens in rugby and hockey fights). I think judo is better for this due to the intensive training in grip bursting in conjunction with Boxing to return punches if it takes even a little longer to release. The only problem is that I don't know if it's very difficult to break the grip on a regular shirt 4- grab the torso with the attacker's body pressed against yours to throw you to the ground. They are very dangerous, if you land on your head it is a sure knockout on the concrete, so I would say this time Greco Roman wrestling first and judo second. Someone have any tips on how to deal with them better for a judo practitioner who doesn't train much without the gi? There is no Greco Roman wrestling in my country :( 5- When the attacker manages to throw you to the ground and is on top, definitely jiu-jitsu, however, that would be 3 martial arts, so I would say Judo for those who can only do 2 arts, as there is a minimum of jiu-jitsu in case fall below in a possible attack
A few more considerations: 1- I didn't consider the double/single leg very dangerous on the street because most people who don't know wrestling have a terrible takedown, including those who do jiu-jitsu, so I imagine that training takedown defense (sprawl) on your own and and good movement with a boxing pivot is enough 2- And about the kicks, I also think that there are few people who are good enough to use them in a street fight, i'm tired of seeing people take takedowns or punches in the face for not being good enough with kicks in Streetbeefs and Strelka fights, so rubbing a broomstick on the shin to reduce sensitivity to low kicks and plyometric exercises, weight lifting and short-distance running to increase bone density and training the defenses/dodges of kicks to boxing shadow should be enough 3- If a person declares aggression against you, even if it is just through language and/or gestures, and you are at least two arms' length away from the attacker, you can use pepper spray and run away, your family must accompany you in this mentality. My criterion for two arms' distance takes into account that the aggressor can pass his hand over his face and then put his hand in your face, and also takes into account that when you reach for your pepper spray, you could be punched in the face in a shortest distance 4- never turn your back to run from an attacker less than two arms away. If you have not incapacitated him in some way, he can quickly catch up with you and with your back turned you will be defenseless 5- If you fall on top of the attacker, just hit and get up to run, on the street the only real danger I imagine for Jiu Jitsu is being on the bottom 6- if you have family members to protect then you must instruct them so that they are minimally aligned with your thoughts of self-defense, after all, you are not capable of immobilizing 3 criminals on the street, at most you delay them so your family can run and you too run shortly thereafter Considering all this, for those who can do a maximum of two martial arts, I imagine that Boxing and Judo would be the best combination. It is an approach focused on the greatest aggressive explosion for the techniques that represent the greatest risk on the street and running as soon as possible
Overall great video, a great topic for someone who is a woman and an industry leader in women’s self defense! I was a bit surprised that striking arts were not penalized more given the completely ineffective nature of strikes against someone significantly bigger and stronger. Also BJJ has gotta be S tier for learning how to get someone off of you…. Getting out of a pin has got to be a top 5 skill in self defense. The idea that self defense training looks different depending on the students makes some sense, but I feel it’s flawed logic…. A self defense course that’s mature should have a set of skills that you should be able to do at the end of the course! You have to build it based on scenarios and needs of the students, you can’t measure learning if you don’t have a syllabus…. Just feels like she isn’t sure what she wants to cover until she understands her students objectives in life. Instead, self defense needs to start with definitions in the law for where you live and work backwards.
Yeah, I would say that if you expect an attack from someone significantly larger, becoming better at strikes becomes a less efficient use of time. And I wager plenty of dudes want to hold you down and harass you as a woman, but not necessarily punch you. Which makes pure grappling especially relevant.
I just wanted to write a comment when I saw that you wrote exactly what I was thinking. I really don't see how striking arts would ever resolve a dangerous situation for the AVERAGE woman. It will not end the fight and the new situation is much worse than before. Of course, somebody as fit as Amber and with her experience might make it work but that is a really big difference to most women.
I do agree with Amber, in terms of self-defence, the most important aspect is the assurance and physical posture you project (or bluff projecting) when you are a bit trained. The objective is to avoid violence at all costs, right? The stronger (menacing, dangerous, unstable, armed, unhinged, sadistic, etc...) the more you need to avoid violence. Because if you fight you will be full of fear and will need to chose between applying extreme violence or just accept to be abused. Rokas, Paradoxically, AiIkido because it teaches you to never hurt others in a controlled dojo environment, learning the "fake fighting the Aikido way" also gives you the basics of how to really hurt someone badly (throat atemis, joint breaks etc..) , which is the only option you have if on a violent scenario with someone bigger/stronger/aggresive. If you cannot avoid violence there are only two outcomes: 1 you get beaten and finish in the hospital, alive with some luck, worse with less luck. (the most probable outcome, street fighters beat dojo people 99% of the time) 2 You hurt the other person and get in a whole world of legal trouble. Or even worse, you do real lasting damage to them. The stronger the aggressor, the more ruthless and maybe lethal you need to be. I guess self defence is about complying/distracting/running. Anything else there has no positive outcome really. If you got yourself in the position of maybe having to use violence or someone maybe using violence on you, you have already failed your selfdefense. Before that is when you will win the fight by avoiding the condition where it can happen. (I am a law abiding European man and I live in Thailand(much much secure than Europe) , so my cultural assumptions about violence might not apply to other parts of the world, genders or other relationships with the law)
Krav Maga should be in F while MMA should be on top tier. For small and weak ppl it is very important to understand their limit. KM will give a false confidence, making ppl believe one can easily finish the fight by applying aggresive techniques. This is very dangerous especially for weak and small ppl. MMA will teach ppl the reality plus train the student with multiple technique from diff MA.
She talked about other aspects of self defence like de-escalation as well as fighting skills. A decent krav school will teach these skills as well as how to physically fight. That is probably as, if not more important than knowing how to fight. I have known of talented combat athletes who due to overconfidence in their skills who have ended up getting smashed, stabbed or bottled and ended up seriously hurt because the MMA mindset amongst many is that if someone challenges you step up instead of talk them down and get out of there. In that respect Krav definitely has an advantage over combat sports when it comes to self defence. Self defence isnt all about how to win a fight against a skilled fighter.
@@TheThundertaker de-escalation techniques are good, but if that's all that your self-defense system has going for you than its not a very wise choice. There are many instances where you can't de-escalate a situation. Krav Maga's fighting techniques just aren't practical or really worth anything compared to MMA.
Amber is absolutely a great person to ask about which martial arts would help women best, get a female's perspective since many self-defense demos come from men and don't always account for strength or height difference. We need more of this, Q&A's and collaborations. Maybe Rokas and Amber can do some demos if they ever meet in a gym.
After years of martial arts I've tried Krav Maga (2 different schools), and while I agree with her pretty much with the rating of combat abilities - they focus on staying fit, doing some sort of sparing (not really pressure testing where I was) etc., I'd totally say it's like F for attitude. I mean I have met some women there that were 100 % sure they have no problem beating the men - until someone went all out on them with protective gear, and they realized it's done in like 6 seconds. Some of them also believed having arm in an armlock is no problem, because hey, they always got from it in classes easily. Because noone went hard on them, ever. I mean the confidence is nice, but there's a difference between confidence and desilusion.
I agree. Krav sparring is very poor because they don't use protective gear and therefore go at like 20% which instills false confidence and (worse) the fake-martialarts idea of pretending you're going 100% at 20%. This means that in a real situation, the Krav practitioner may be expecting the attacker to go at this 100% = 20% when in reality they're going to punch for real. I've also seen krav people lose teeth in their drills because they don't wear protective gear or mouth guards. That's just unacceptable in my opinion.
The question was specific to Wing Chun, not Shaolin Kung-fu, and sadly she never attended a class, so it would be nicer to omit it from the list/not put in a category after it became clear.
I was very surprised to see "gun jitsu" rank low F tier for women's self defense. A well trained CCW holder seems like it should be much higher particularly for women of smaller stature. But yes realistic training is key, and when to and when not to deploy.
It's F because it rarely teaches you what you really need for a gun use in self defense scenario. I've seen (and participated) some gun competitions/courses and no one addressed the most important thing - what happens before you can get to your gun. Attacks often starts at very close range (or even grabbing distance), especially attacks against women. First you need to know how to break a grapple or how to handle a man charging at close range. Then you can start thinking about actually using your gun. Teaching such martial art would save more lives than knowing how to clear a room.
@@themoss7115 Good CCW courses that I've attended were not solely focused on weapon deployment and shooting accuracy, but also included effective conceal methods (so people don't know you're armed in the first place), retention under attack, empty handed skills with an opponent at close range, de-escalation skills, accessing the firearm at the right moments, etc. A good CCW program isn't teaching room clearing, that's sounds like a home defense course. Having a firearm is the best defense against criminals favorite weapon, which is firearms and knives. A small pissed off woman with a pistol is something criminals fear.
As a former pistol instructor, a firearm is not a great method of self defense for most people. In people with significant shooting experience who know how to deploy the weapon under pressure and have good retention training, it can be great. For everyone else, you’re just as likely to get yourself shot with your own gun. And that’s most people.
I think JKD is better in principle than it is practice. Putting your dominant hand forward to deflect better/parry better is a really practical idea especially for a person that doesn’t get to train super often. I’m a southpaw and sometimes when I spar I’ll start in bladed orthodox just for the simple fact that it’s better to have good precise jabs when you’re feeling an opponent out and assessing skill level. Plus it’s nice to have the surprise factor of stepping on the outside of your opponent’s lead foot when I switch to my native stance. It throws a lot of guys off their rhythm. In real world fighting I’d probably use my right hand as an anchor by grabbing a shirt or something, and throw power shots with my left because it’s more likely that the opponent isn’t going to be using a stance of any kind. There is a strong argument for jabbing with your dominant hand if you’re not confident in your coordination. Jabs work in real fights because most attackers aren’t used to taking moderately strong punches to the face.
@@metrolinamartialarts I watch your stuff all the time. You’re channel is pretty much the reason I found out JKD was a thing. I mean I don’t use it. I’m a southpaw that leads left sometimes and that’s something.
the real problem with the switched stance is the footwork. very few can make it really work and they basically make it work by finding workarounds. having your weak leg at the back makes you less responsive/explosive and less stable
Capoeira has a unique origin. Black slaves in Brazil were prohibited from fighting. Therefore, they disguised themselves and pretended to be dancing. This formed the style, which is closely linked to the history of Brazil, and left it in this format. Another point about capoeira is that it is a style in which there is no combat or tournaments, just training.
Hell yeaaa Krav Maga is literally made for this, been practicing it for over a decade very happy to see it rated high! Its true that it got a bit of a bad rep due to its popularity and misuse by MANY opportunist school that wants to cash out on name, but if you find someone legit who learned this martial art (and there are plenty of legit instructors out there) you couldn't be in better hands. I've seen so many girls and women completely BODY men way bigger and heaver than them, there are so many techniques that do not rely on raw strength, and its wonderful to see them being executed in stress situations. (of course, proper training is an absolute must to transition from controlled theory into actual application, also mental preparation is a huge part of krav maga too)
>I've seen so many girls and women completely BODY men way bigger and heaver than them Where? In tournaments? Or in a friendly spar? I never go 100% with someone smaller than me.
Assertiveness ,being self-aware and aware of what's going on is already a self-defence on its own because you can prevent yourself from getting hurt. Unfortunately there are situations where danger is unavoidable because anything can happen and that's why the ability to protect yourself (and others) is very important
I believe that Amber is a brown belt in BJJ, so it's quite interesting that she ranks it where she does. But in its more sportive form, it does have many shortcomings (Gracie jiu-jitsu is a far better curriculum for self-defense-oriented BJJ). That said, I am a little surprised that she'd put it below judo; judo is obviously awesome, but for women especially, it's just a difficult art to stay involved with in the long term; the risk of serious injury isn't to be taken lightly, and it's an art that relies very heavily on grip strength. I still think that BJJ, especially Gracie Combatives, is about the best way for women to have a good grappling base. It isn't that difficult for most men to get a woman on the ground; I always encourage women not to neglect their ground game.
Agreed. I mentioned in my post that I don't think I'd rank judo above BJJ, but neglected to highlight your point, which is spot on: judo is very physically demanding to get effective at. I got belted up in Judo after training for a year when I was 40 (I was already a very good BJJ purple belt at the time). The training was brutal and and getting through that year was very hard on my body. At the end of it, while I learned some useful things, I don't think the effectiveness of what I learned was even close to what I had at the end of my first year of BJJ. Also, if anyone wants to challenge how hard judo is vs BJJ, simply have their local BJJ school announce that they will be teaching judo only at an upcoming class and see who shows up. Haha. This is a well known phenomenon: the best way to guarantee you won't have students in a BJJ class is to say you are focusing on throws in a given class.
You paint a false image of judo. Judo is not about only grip strength it also has a specialised footsweep(ashiwaza) which no other art has. Coming to Gracie jujitsu which has everything judo has (it is just old school judo rebranded)so I don't see how it is different than judo . The paln is to get the open on the ground not stay in ground with him. Even if you go to the ground either you submit him or get back up quickly. Jujutsu specialised on newaza more while judo on standing and throwing
@@dhimankalita1690 If I can just pipe in, I think it is accurate to say that Judo (primarily because of the rule set) does differ significantly with how it is trained despite the shared techniques and foundations. I think the original post was meant to point out that judo is much more physically demanding than BJJ in most cases. This squares fairly well with my observations. Regarding the grip thing, while grip strength may not be the right way to describe it, Judo does have a strong focus on aggressive grip fighting. I don't think I've ever been to a Judo school where the majority of students don't have taped up fingers and serious "grappler hands". This definitely is an aspect of BJJ, but I believe it is much more severe in Judo. FWIW: I love Judo footsweeps and think they are one of the most beautiful techniques out there, but I'd also point out that Muay Thai also has similar footsweeps that work extremely well in perhaps more situations. I'm fairly certain I've been put on my ass more sparring stand up with Muay Thai fighters than I have with Judoka.
I appreciate her saying that there's a difference between kickboxing fir fitness and kickboxing for self defense. I would take kickboxing for fitness over nothing but I wouldn't want just that. Albeit kickboxing for fitness helps for fitness.
Putting MMA on the bottom, and Krav Maga on the top is so harmful to actual people trying to figure out where they should go to learn to defend themselves. It’s OBVIOUS to anyone with any experience that someone who gets proficient at a your average MMA gym would be WAY better off in a self defense situation than someone proficient in Krav Maga.
The comment about Aikido being the originator of wrist locks like Kote Gaeshi. Is wrong Jiu-Jitsu, (Japanese Jiu- Jitsu) was doing this before Aikido even existed. Also Chinese Chin-Na teaches Wrist locks and that is older then all the other Martial arts. Aikido was invented by Morihei Ueshiba After World War ll. The techniques were largely borrowed from older Martial Arts.
But she is right. a course that says "MMA" is not great for selfdefense. you learn a lot but nother good enough and you learn it for fighting agressively in tournaments.
@@TB-fm8kf I understand your point, but I have to disagree. Nowadays there are a lot of very good and legit MMA gyms that teach you pretty much every aspect there is to fighting, a wide range of striking, wrestling, throwing, BJJ and grappling in general, and most of them also teach how to mix all of those things together efficiently, and practice and test everything in sparring. And for self defense I believe you need to understand and be proficient in all those aspects of fighting hence why I think mma could be very good, if not the best, for self defense and any situation of fighting
She is so wrong about BJJ, she said its better to prevent to get taken down, thats the point. BJJ practises takedowndefense all the time, maybe not as good as wrestlers do but still. Thats like saying "dont train boxing" because getting hit is bad
😂 like 90% of BJJ tools are on the ground what are you talking about. It's better to know it, but even better to know how to prevent it in a dangerous environment
@@ThepurposeofTime Yes but i am talking about the fighting aspect, you need to know Grappling when someone tries to Grapple with you. Pretty easy to understand, every BJJ practitioner learns to sprawl and defend takedowns
@@ThepurposeofTime Yes wrestling would be 100%, i even said that. BJJ comes from Judo, Judo has no leg attacks tho so i would still think bjj is better for staying on your feet. But that wasnt my point, i said that bjj is very good for self defense and that her argument didnt make sense
Gotta say that she was really wrong about bjj. All bjj competitions start standing, and you are penalized if you pull guard. I guess she is not a competitor, but you'd think she at least knew the competition ruleset
I gave it a little check she'a a brown belt, and she has actually competed once. This is making me worried about the US bjj scene. She won two matches both on points without using takedowns? How are you a brown belt in bjj and think that bjj practitioners by large don't know how to do throws and standing finishes? 😂
S: MMA, Sambo, Kudo, GaidoJutsu A: Japanese Jiu Jitsu, Catch Wrestling, JKD A-: Wrestling, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Muay Thai (Kickboxing) B: Judo, Boxing, TKD, Wing Chun Kung Fu B-: Karate C: Krav Maga C-: Capoeira D: D-: F: Aikido, Systema S tier: A martial art that you can take without the need to take other martial arts or without the need to readjust the art itself to be successful in MMA or real-life combat. That martial art contains all aspects of fighting such as striking, clinching, takedowns, and ground fighting. A tier: That martial art contains only either striking (such as punching, trapping, and kicking altogether) or grappling (such as clinching, takedowns, and ground fighting altogether), but the striking component or the grappling component of that martial art is well suited for an MMA setting or for real-life combat, such that there is no need to readjust that art to make it work in MMA or real-life combat. A- tier: That martial art contains only either striking or grappling (such as clinching, takedowns, and ground fighting), but the striking component or the grappling component of that martial art needs some readjustments to make that art work in MMA or real-life combat. B tier: That martial art should be used to compliment other striking/grappling martial arts to increase the chance of success in MMA. For example, Judo throws can be used to compliment wrestling/BJJ; and boxing head-movement/footwork, TKD footwork/kicks, and Wing Chun trapping can be used to compliment kickboxing (Muay Thai). Some readjustments are still needed to make that art work in MMA or real-life combat. B- Tier: A martial art that may only either contain striking or grappling or both, but most elements of that martial art can easily be substituted (such as why do karate to train for kickboxing when you can train kickboxing instead or why train karate kicks when TKD/Muay-Thai kicks are superior) and nearly none of the elements in that martial will compliment your striking/grappling as much as B tier martial arts. C Tier and Below: A martial art with most elements that do not apply to MMA or real-life combat most of the time and there is little to no incentive to learn that art compared to other martial arts, since that martial art does not teach any fundamental aspect of striking/grappling; or that martial art has a totally flawed view of striking/grappling or has a totally flawed fundamentals. Ranking is dependent based on the applicability in MMA-setting or in real-life combat. People keep thinking that if you learn an art that teaches striking, clinching, takedowns, and ground fighting altogether you'll be a "jack of all trades and master of none", but they are missing the point. It's not about being an expert in every martial arts but its about being an expert in MMA and in real-life combat. For example, why do I care if you are a 100x muay thai champion and 100x olympic gold medal wrestler, but can't win a single MMA match and can't apply these arts for real life combat and MMA. Look at how Jon Jones beat DC even though DC was an Olympic wrestler.
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Which martial art do you think is the best for women's self-defense?
The best self defence is to avoid conflict from the start!
All martial arts that focuses on self improvement is great imoh
I'm trying to get my wife into karate just to stay active
"Men are like steel. When they lose their temper, they lose their worth."
- Chuck Norris
Too many variables. I guess my answer would be a different set of skills tailored for each unique person. I wouldn’t give a one size fits all answer to all of them. I’m not going to tell a gal who is a cross fit champ to train in the same things as a soft spoke. Bookish girl lol
Rokas should go to an Aikido dojo where they actually do train hard, it kind of seems like maybe maybe he has not experienced that? Have you ever been to Brooklyn Aikikai? All the basic problems still apply, but the physical intensity and pace does make a huge difference. Curious what his view would be if he had actually experienced that.
@@theirresistableE Rokas is becoming a fighter, a smooth transition from "martial artist". There is no "going hard in Aikido" 🤣
@@KaratengBob Often not a choice for women, "avoiding conflict from the start".
What she said starting at 12:30 about youth sports is really _great_ insight. My family did not encourage sports at all, (and that's putting it mildly) and I was always scared of everything until I started playing Soccer (of all things) in College. Then after a couple of years of Judo starting when I was 23, my fear level went _way_ down, and I have been so much happier ever since. Parents, _please_ encourage your kids to do some sports.
All in all, a great video. This lady really knows what she's talking about.
great advice, i started pretty late in my early 30s, it built so much confidence as I was still an anxious teen + adult
you starting at 23 gave me hope. I am also considering doing judo/taekwondo at 22, but I felt like i am too weak to start it and too old and unflexible, so I felt really discouraged, not to mention me never being in any sport as a child/teen.
@@99kerosene Well, my friend, as soon as I stop laughing (I'm 68, and 22 seems incredibly young to me) I'll give you some encouragement...
Firstly, I don't know if I mentioned it in the comment you are replying to, but I didn't do sports at ll when I was a kind either. When I was 16 my parents, not having the money to buy me a car, bought me a bicycle. I could tell by the look on their faces they thought I was going to be heartbroken, but nothing could be further from the truth. Over the next 20 years, mostly in my late 20's, I rode well over 100,000 miles on a bicycle. It completely changed my life.
At 19, I took up Soccer, and played well enough to make the varsity team at the small college I attended. I took up Judo in my 20's, cross country and Nordic Skiing in my 30's, rollerblading and some hockey in my 40's, and Pickelball in my 60's. You are not even close to too old to take up new sports. And btw, you've probably heard that men reach their physical peak at about 18. RUBBISH! If you stay reasonably active, you won't even notice any decline at all until you're about 40. Go for it!
@@99kerosene go for it, you can do it!
I’m not even a sporty person (not lazy either) but I agree so much.
I’ve given self defense for my young daughter a lot of thought. One thing I don’t hear people discuss are the various situations a woman might find herself in and the applicability of the different martial arts. Situations such as date rape, assault by an authority figure, school bullying, etc… and not just the standard “being attacked on the street”.
Teach them to read body language and situational awareness *first* and then teach them the martial arts stuff
Those issues are more tactical issues than martial issues oftentimes and mothers or friends often teach good stuff for that. This includes always hold on to your drink, don’t be one on one in a room, always go out with friends to watch your back, etc etc
@@badart3204 but this is a martial arts channel and a woman’s self defense ranking video. I think there is some discussion warranted along these lines in the context of this video.
I don't know if you've heard or not, but martial arts are only good if they're good on da streetz, with 5 attackers with knives, wearing body armor and a variety of guns. Actual common self-defense? Doesn't exist! Some guy acts up at an airport? Take him to the ground by breaking his nose and knee, hope his head smashes on the tiled floor, and just in case that doesn't do it, you should already have your knife or gun pulled out!
If some big girl is sitting on your daughter and pulling her hair, that's not worth talking about, you don't need martial arts for that, just smooth talking skills!
I like BJJ for self defense for this exact reason. The unfortunate reality is you're more likely to be attacked by someone you know/trust, which means you may be in a bad position before you really realize you have to defend yourself.
Since BJJ teaches you to work from a bad position, I think it's an important skill to have. Sure, it doesn't cover everything, but it's something you definitely don't want to need and not know how to do.
It’s so great to see someone understanding the benefits of judo over BJJ, I do both, but judo is consistently underrated.
I think judo may have one of the best pedagogy around : no other martial art has such a clearly defined chart of moves devided in both difficulty and danger to the practicioners ,
Catch Wresling doesn't have that as far as i know , it's up to the teacher ...
Would you say that judo has become somewhat overshadowed by bjj? I just recently listened to a discussion with Rhadi Fergusson where he claimed that that wasn’t the case. However, I see many more bjj schools than judo schools. They’re both awesome arts and sports in my opinion; judo just needs more exposure.
Judo is literally the foundation of BJJ. It shouldn't ever be overlooked.
I used to love working take downs. I took judo in my late teens and twenties. My BJJ coach works takedowns maybe monthly but they’re more wrestling based than what we did in judo class. As a person nearly 40 I don’t like working that as much. I certainly have some take down game better than most in the class, but I did hyperextend my knee at the beginning of the year. I think bjj has a better competition scene but also think the physical barriers are tougher to overcome for a judo player.
Definitely, BJJ has done a very good job marketing itself. However, people often overlook that the emphasis on throwing in Judo is offputting to people, especially adults. It can be more intimidating which leads to people dropping out of the sport.
BJJ doesn’t have the fear of getting Costa minutes .
My biggest issue with BJJ when people talk about offence versus Judo, is that, yes, BJJ has a better ground game than Judo, but BJJ and Judo ground work are easily effective enough in the self-defence situation, no one is pulling spider guard In self defence. You just need to know how to him someone, control them, and if necessary, apply high percentage submissions such as we’re naked, choke and straight on numbers.
However, BJJ doesn’t really focus on stand-up at all, so against the average person their standard isn’t going to be particularly effective, whereas a judoka Will have no issue with the stand-up game, and they will also have significantly more experience with transitions.
Issue with Judo is that it is harder to become proficient in. In my opinion, BJJ is 1000 techniques that each take one listen to man (the basics of) Judo is 60 techniques that each take. 2-4 weeks to learn, so it’s a lot harder to feel like you are making progress in Judo.
I remember complaining in the past about a video of yours on women's self defense which lacked the perspective of an actual woman. I have yet to see this video, and I don't know if you made it with that comment in mind, but I just want to say you have a great capacity to accept critique, and also for self criticism, and that is surely the key to your success as a martial arts divulgator. Keep the good work!
Thank you! This video was 100% inspired by the comments that critiqued me for asking another guy about women's self defense. It was such a good insight that I'm embarrassed I didn't think of it myself before. Here's to fixing our mistakes!
Just five minutes in and already really enjoying it. Amber is just incredibly coherent and articulate, considering things like confidence making you less targetable, or the physical effort the average person would need to make said martial art effective... We usually think confidence is dangerous and assume judo is great because high level athletes use it successfully, so this is a refreshing perspective
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That's stupid.
Women are half of the population. Being a woman doesn't mean you know anything more about "women's self defense" and being a man doesn't mean you don't know about it.
@@MartialArtsJourneywatching this video made me want to get into martial arts myself.
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I’ve been hearing self-defense is just mkt phrasing,
Then is there such thing as self-defense?
If yes, is it limited to martial arts?
@@AnaMariaSocae It depends. Some people argue that self defence is a legal term. So a plea entered after an arrest when someone is incapacitated or broke his neck when you threw him on the kerb. And then it depends on the area where you live what constitutes reasonable force. You have the right to protect your own life and therefore the right to defend someone else but there are legal limits and it varies. Those who object to the self defence industry and possibly use the term self-protection which is not a legal term tend to vary in their approach so for some its purchase a gun and a carry conceal licence practice with someone who is very skilled at gun self protection classes. It still requires training but is the quickest way given that the self defence industry offers a quick way but their one doesn't work. If you were prepared to take more time then the general advice is eat more healthily gain strength and fitness including flexibility. So for that you could take up modern dance, ballet, gymnastics parkour whatever you enjoyed doing and would promote the muscle gain (so some kind of weight lifting programme) strength stamina and flexibility that would enable you to defend yourself better. Then the difference between martial arts and more focussed training would be the intensity of the combat. But this chap Amber has done videos on what she thinks its about and its still try to avoid getting into a fight as paramount. I'm like you without the content prep I just like watching videos and look for things for my kids to do. So for now karate but they've started football because they enjoy on weekends. And swimming because we have a heatwave in bangalore for now and that climate change is not going to change longer term unless it gets hotter. Being popular in school can lessen the chances of bullying so football works I think. In theory
When amber said jiujitsu is S tier when someone is already on your guard but priority should be not to get in that position, I really get what she means. She is definitely right. But I also think about the usual situations of violence an average woman may run into, and I think "deciding to make out with a man, he being on top of you, and then he turning aggressive and trying to force you into things you don't want to do" unfortunately has to be a really common situation.
You're probably right that it's a more common situation than it should be but I also think that maybe there were other indicators earlier on that this guy might be the predatory type?
@@3nertia Absolutely, watching for red flags in our relationships is way more serious and necessary than we may think
You can be 5 years into a relationship before shit goes sideways.... and at that point you are probably so messed up in the head / scared you aren't going to go hard
@@melusine826 Granted, some people are really good at being manipulative/secretive but there are always signs if one pays attention. This is also what friends are for and why females tend to "gossip" to each other about boyfriends - a good friend will tell you, tactfully, when shit ain't right :)
@3nertia yea but this is about which martial art would be most beneficial in the case where you miss those red flags. If the answer is always "situational awareness" and not ending up in the situation in the first place, then that essentially makes the conversation they are having, and all martial arts, pointless.
Amber is absolutely a great person to ask about which martial arts would help women best, get a female's perspective since many self-defense demos come from men and don't always account for strength or height difference. We need more of this, Q&A's and collaborations. Maybe Rokas and Amber can do some demos if they ever meet in a gym.
In defense of Capoeira: It has advantages in developing a general kind of athleticism, will enhance your distance management capabilities, will upgrade your 3D-moveability-competence and all that while strengthening a positive mindset and providing the joy of singing together. Not by accident has it the highest rate of female to male long term practitioners (within the arts I did study) and will produce women that have the muscle set to tank and dish out. Combine it with Kali/Silat or any hybrid defense system that does sparring later on and your good to go. Or do Combat Sambo from the beginning, if you have the training options and are willing to invest substantially.
I love the fact that Amber is giving her own perspective and not afraid to speak her mind.
Um, yea that's kind of the point of her being here. Have you not ever seen a woman speak her mind before lol? It's not some incredible feat of courage.
@@chrisortiz8077Thank you, people act like women should get a trophy for talking
Another angry comment
Instagram is pretty sure Amber is abused and stuck under "her husbands" thumb. Most people paying attention know she's her own little unicorn 🦄
Why would she be afraid to speak from her own perspective?
At 27:10, what she says about being good at talking is right on! I talked my way out of what could have been a deadly situation for me and for the guy that asked for my help, and by the time it was over, the would-be mugger walked us both to our car while telling his accomplices to leave us alone and even opened the door for us! Here are the details for those interested:
I was in a bus station in a very rough part of town when a guy came up to me and asked for my help. He pointed to another guy and said he was trying to rob him as he had seen him get change for $100 bill. (Both the guy asking for my help and I were quite small and unassuming. The guy allegedly trying to mug him was large and imposing.) I told him that I would like to help but I couldn't be sure it wasn't a set up between the two of them trying to rob me. I said just sit here for a while and we'll see what happens. The mugger saw that he was trying to enlist my help so he came over and started trying to intimidate me to get me to go away. He was a tall black guy from a neighborhood where I had lived as a kid. I said to him “Hey, I know you, you were on the Lawton High School basketball team.” ( A reasonable assumption in a town where Blacks and Whites were largely separated and most kids had nothing to do but sports.) He stood up straight and proud and said that he was on the team, but he admitted that he was not a starter. I said “ But you should have been. You had some great moves!” We got to chatting about LHS, where my brothers went, and about 5 minutes later when my parents arrived to pick me up, we started walking toward the door where two other large guys were waiting in a car between the door and my parent’s car, obviously working with the mugger. The guy opened the door for us, and walked us out to my car, telling his friends that these guys were cool and to leave us alone. Believe it or not, he even opened the door for us! We left safely. Boom! Total victory!
Wow you took It to the next level
Speech skill increased - 100
Holy yap
That's the best kind of self-defence. Gg. No karma created.
Oh man this is the one of these I didn't know I needed before I watched it.
I've seen a few videos with Amber (like Icy Mike), and her analysis & technique has always been so on-point. Awesome collab!
I actually put bjj as S for women and always recommend it to them. Someone trying to have their way with you will try and hold you down on the floor. That is exactly bjj domain.
If you expect to out wrestle or out punch a big man that is trying to hurt you or worse, you are better running away. Now if he grabs you and pushed you down, well, well, well, time to break some bones
Also lots of attackers might not want to punch her anyways, making pure grappling especially relevant.
Women can be and are really good at jiu-jitsu. Jiu-jitsu is definitely s tier and with Tae Kwon do kicks what a combo.
BJJ is essentially rape simulation. Hands down the best art for women. Also, the one art where size differences matter the least.
@jerryvandevort2366 add some wrestling and Muay Thai style clinch and it's the perfect self defence system for women
I'd go with traditional Jujitsu and focus a lot on grappling. JJJ has ways to control someone on the ground without going down themselves.
As somebody who has had a Judo background I do like the fact that Judo does focus on standing while yet at the same time the ground fighting aspect still gives you something to fall back on as a last resort if need be as opposed to having to use it as your primary go to open.Ground fighting is okay and has its place but in many self defense situations it should never be the go to option and if you're training in BJJ as opposed to judo your first instinct might be to use it as a go to option while it may not be all that great of an option.
Which, in your opinion, would have more value; Judo or Greco-Roman wrestling?
@3nertia I Would say they are pretty much 50/50 judo usually is trained with gi and grabbing legs(just preparing an attack is banned) so there would be some while wrestling has a bit less of throw variety but has more explosivity that really might come in handy (judo also has some chokes/locks)but overall i feel they are really similar.
Judo focuses on standing and has ground work but the imposition of the most recent Olympic rules mitigates the efficacy of both. Any bum with no grappling experience has the chance to tackle a judoka who can’t sprawl and utilizes an upright posture. Judo Koshi waza exposes the back to an opponent and can put a newbie with bad kuzushi in a compromising position. Judo ne waza in reality focuses 80% on the turnover and pin or submission from turtle or flat on the stomach so it really isn’t this complete fall back plan as you said. Judokas have a tendency to fall to their stomach if they hit the ground which I have caught myself doing in MMA sparring. Gi grips have to be adapted in an environment where strikes are permitted making a potentially dangerous situation. Many judoka get rolled over with their throws which ends up with their opponent in top position even if it would score ippon under the rules of the sport. Don’t get me wrong I like Judo but I think we need to scrutinize it like we do BJJ for some obvious flaws. All of these martial arts when not cross trained can be blinded in their own rule set of their dominance.
@@gudea5207 i agree completely :3
@@3nertia While I do appreciate the fact that Judo sort of has kata or drills which address thing specifically pertaining to self defense/weapons to a degree which Greco Roman/various forms of Western wrestling does not have I think that both can hold there own fairly well against an attacker.I would say that even though judo does have weapon drill stuff some of that stuff is fairly hard to train and learn how to effectively apply. while I still appreaciate the fact that this type of stuff is present in judo I sort of think that many judoka and many Greco Roman wrestlers might not have the easiest time against weapons.Not that weapons are the easiest for anybody to deal with.However if were talking about other forms of wrestling double leg take downs might be a pretty dangerous technique to try to pull off when theres weapons involved.
I really appreciate Amber's perspective on Kenpo! I actually train BJJ primarily now and what Amber said about Kenpo's teaching methodology is spot on! Kenpo's self defense techniques are often a bit sketchy but the thought process behind them teaches you very well how to learn martial arts by breaking things down into basics, the reconstructing them to face fluid situations. There are a few videos out there of Ed Parker explaining the analogy of letters to words to sentences in putting together your attack and defense which applies very well to any system! Great video Rokas!
They didn’t cover kenpo. You might be thinking of when they discussed kempo. Slightly different.
I'm a man but if i was asked by any of my female friends what they should train in i would say go full blown MMA with some BJJ on the side. The reason is simple with MMA you not only learn be a well rounded fighter but you know what to expect from an attacker in terms of hand to hand combat. With BJJ your lack of size won't be much of a disadvantage and most all if an attacker overpowers you and puts you on your back the odds will be in your favor as a woman.
MMA might be too much sense it's actually fighting and not self defense. The law might treat the mma fighter like the aggressor the same way they do with boxers.
In my opinion for women or smaller people for striking muy thai because you're elbows, knees, kicks. I didn't mention boxing because women don't have enough punching power to knock out a man. But with the leg kicks, knees, and elbows it could really hurt somebody. For grappling jiu jitsu because 9 times out of 10 an untrained man is going to grab a woman who is smaller and weaker. Women should train grappling first and striking second. But in a real life situation strike first and try to get away and grappling should be the last option.
Really love her perspective, especially about boxing. Holding fast and striking somebody in the face gets results and is much safer than many other things that could end in a failed attempt, but some form of grappling to round it off is imho the "best" way to defend yourself. Even as somebody much more comfortable with kicks, I'd practically never throw one in a street fight.
I used to teach a class to women. In my experience it's not the same as a specific martial art. In most cases women who take a self-defense class do not have any experience in any fighting art, so you need to cherry pick techniques from any of the above Martial arts which fulfill several criteria:
-Easy to learn
-Effective
-Easy to execute
-Intuitive
-Tailored to the specific student, including physical fitness, skills, environment, possible situations, etc.
I think "easy to learn" may be optional, some things take extensive training and you put in that effort if you really want to. But good point
Like Krav Maga?
Please, can you give me advice on the most self-defense sport? I feel confused and lost because I am a skinny girl and my clothes outside are always modest dresses that are long for the feet, so I am afraid that they will hinder me if I want to choose Judo or Muay Thai! I just want to defend myself!! 😅Thank you very much if you answer my question or if anyone reads it and has experience or has an opinion on the subject.🌹
@@Selma-Afnane Martial Arts are mostly for fun and good health. For self-defense nothing beats weapons like pepper spray, a taser or a handgun.
Another option is a tactical knife or Karambit, and taking classes on how to handle a blade in self-defense. They would teach that in arts like Kali, Filipino arts or Silat. And a long dress shouldn't be an impediment in those cases. Example: th-cam.com/video/bcbjl1nJuFg/w-d-xo.html
@@Selma-AfnaneHEMA.
Wow it must be pretty hard to find a legit good Karate Dojo, specially in the U.S. if she has such a bad impression of the art it must be because those schools were pretty sport karate focused, Mcdojos or simply bad teachers. Karate is even more complete than some of the arts above it in the list. Anyways, I really enjoy these ranking videos a lot, keep them coming 🔥🥋
I absolutely hate how saturated the US is with karate mcdojos. Makes it a pain in the ass to look for dojos that end up being a waste of money
This kind of comparison is just for fun. What really matter is the competency of the trainers. This day ppl combine and cross train diff MA. A taekwondo teacher could also be excel in boxing and teach it to the students. Plus knowledge in sport science, fighting experience, etc.
Agree 👍 says a lot about us standards for sure. Karate is the original mma and includes many if not all of other martial arts . In fact is from my experience the best to start with and then after to experience other styles as you have set solid foundations . Pressure testing is often not done enough although
Reminds me of a conversation with my Aikido sensei. I ask him what I should do if someone kicks me. And he just said, "Look, he's standing on one leg." And I ask again what I should do about a kick, and again he said, "He's standing on one leg." And then he said, "You know , how long it take to perform a well-balanced kick without exposing yourself? Years... And no one with that much training would kick you on the street. He has been teaching Aikido for 40 years now and was a stundent under Yoshigasaki, the founder of Shin Shin Aikido. Therefore, I think he is one of the very few people who are honest when it comes to martial arts.
Bro aikido is bullshit for martial arts
@@federicostanzani3437 Aikido is indeed a martial art. But the emphasis is on the art part of it. For fighting and self defense it's not as effective as the in the movies.
One thing is for certain, train hard and get in shape, mentally and physically. No one would rather fight a green belt in judo than a house mouse.
This is not the first time I've heard that confident people with Martial Arts / combat sports experience are less likely to be targets. Great point.
Would love to see a tier list for martial arts for disabled people, blind, amputee etc.
Yes that would be cool.
If you are blind, you need to learn how to use a katana disguised as a walking cane. ;)
That entirely depends on the disability. I have a guy who trains at my BJJ gym who doesn't have a working lower body but he's very accomplished and a solid blue belt.
@MrHarumakiSensei This is such an underrated comment.
I wouldn't want to take a roundhouse from a metal prosthetic leg.
My Karate teacher was a small guy who came up to my shoulder. He worked as a security guard at a hospital and regularly had to grapple people into submission. We worked on traditional kata. We worked on traditional bunkai, which in Okinawan karate includes a lot of grappling and joint locks and such. We worked on practical applications to street fighting. We sparred. We sparred on a balance beam. I got to kickbox against a boxer on multiple occasions. We did ground techniques (because, yes, they were a part of karate). We practiced flips with people going head over heels on mats (yes there are flips in traditional kata). We practiced break falls. We practiced on a heavy punching bag. We had a makiwara and we did certain kinds of conditioning. The upshot of this is I don’t recognize the characterization of karate in this video. And there are a lot of misperceptions swirling out there about karate being nothing more than robotic block and punch.
You learned the True Karate the problem are in America we have a lot of Fake Teacher in Karate that doesn't know what they're doing and only teach robotic block and punch they doesn’t understand the essence of Karate, Okinawa Karate are more than block and punch is a Complete martial arts and have Grappling skills too.
that sounds so cool
Hearing the fit-kickboxing classes ruining kickboxing is so sad, yet so common. Fitbox classes are found everywhere and people hit pads without proper technique and then hurt their wrists... and I am like 'please be careful with your joints!' That said, I love kickboxing, but I don't do it for self-defense. The main self-defense it gives me is confidence and the attitude that people avoid me. haha
Agreed, confident people also seem more intimidating than those trembling in fear.
Agreed. After taking a kickboxing course for a semester, I was immediately more confident walking down the street. Although, more recently, I’ve seen some scarier stuff, which has put me off my confidence a bit… mainly, people having guns. 😕 can’t kick or punch your way out of those ones.
@@anastasiya256 Nah when it comes to guns, I thankfully don't really have to fear them. But if ever, I think I'd just... give what they want or run. No point fighting that.
Hey Rokas. I would love to see you do one of these self defense videos that includes Hapkido. Hapkido is a very near and dear martial art to me. Like Krav Maga it's advertised as a self defense martial art, but unlike Krav Maga it actually delivers on that promise. I've seen a good bit of Hapkido online though, and it doesn't look the same as when I trained, so my Dojang may have been one of those outliers, but the way I was trained was extremely effective. In my Sabumnim's words, "A mugger isn't going to wait until you're a black belt before attacking you." We addressed clinching, striking, throwing, and ground work. We didn't do forms, and instead practiced applying techniques against a partner who would put themselves in position for you to apply the technique (i.e they would grab your wrist so you could apply one of the many techniques we learned to handle the situation) but would be instructed to resist and not just let you apply the wrist lock or whatever, so that you would have to apply the technique correctly. We also sparred at 50-60% power so we could practice technique application on an actual opponent, AND we learned how to identify threats, respond with the appropriate level of force, and de-escalate of possible. I'd say that out of all of the martial arts I've seen you rate, Hapkido (at least, the way I was trained) would be the most effective after only a year. I trained on and off for about two years (I was in high school at the time and did a lot of extra activities, so I didn't always have the time) but I have still been able to apply and use the techniques in real life scenarios. Note that I'm male, 34 now. only 5'5" on a good day, and a little overweight, and it has still worked for me. There were women in my class who were tiny, and the techniques were just as effective for them as long as they applied them correctly and used their body weight, center of gravity, and movement instead of relying on strength. One of my classmates weighed maybe 75 pounds, and was able to apply the moves to much larger opponents who were actually resisting. I'd love to see you do a review on the art as a whole and see what you think.
I spent my 17- 30s with a guy who did a lot of mma and multiple styles ( like 6-10 styles) . He LIKED hurting people and supposedly competed. He was at one point twice my weight and soooo much stronger.
Statistically the most dangerous person to a woman is our partner or a male we know - which means the psychological component and hesitation to hurt that person is our worst detriment. I think i could go hard on a guy if a random attack, but from the guys i trusted , i froze when they ignored my lack of consent.... so yeah. Its not so clear cut.
Fyi i was the mma guys' grappling dummy and it was the only time i was allowed to say no ( yes thats exactly what you think). So i got pretty good at taking hard locks/holds and not tapping out 😅🤔. Not sure thats a good thing
That sounds terrible, so sorry you went through that, glad you got away from him
This is a very important point. Thank you for raising and sorry you had to experience this.
When I have taught women's self-defense, this is something I always tried to start with (though it is a difficult thing to do right). Basically, my point would be "We are going to deal a bit with the 'getting attacked by a stranger' type thing, but you really need to understand that statistically you are in the most danger from a domestic partner or boyfriend. It is important to know this and address this, which has almost nothing to do with martial arts."
I'd also start a lot of my classes by making the participants yell aggressively in my (or one of the other male instructor's) face. I had read that a big barrier too many women was the willingness to be rude or confrontational with someone, especially someone they know. I definitely found that to be true in many classes. For some women, it would take a lot of effort to get over the discomfort of yelling "Get the F*CK away from me" right in my face, but I also enjoyed the sense of liberation I often saw after they broke through. My main point (which I got from Rory Miller) was that if you can't be rude to someone, you are definitely going to have a hard time physically confronting and potentially harming someone.
FWIW: When I teach general self-defense I also point out that the 99% solution for males to avoid a physical attack is to avoid any environment where alcohol is involved. Not sexy, but it is the reality of the world.
Also I learned from many women the freeze response is actually a survival instinct to avoid getting clobbered to death by some deranged psychopath. Which puts to rest the whole "hurr durr why wasn't she trying to fight him off" argument
For self defense Parkcour is #1, Firearms/stun gun #2, knife/baton cqc training #3, wresting and boxing #4
Gun-fu #1
@@scoobydoo7275made my night 😂😂
@@scoobydoo7275 Tank1do beats gun Fu.
From my POV as a longtime JKD practitioner: I went to a school where my sifu was directly under Dan Inosanto, and structured the JKD classes as both competitive MMA and plenty of pressure sparring. We were taught how to "use the jeet" to intercept incoming blows and redirect them in mid to extreme close range. Lots and lots of Filipino Kali crosstraining (I mean we were Inosanto-aligned, that makes perfect sense to me), lots of pressure points, and a solid Muay Thai base were also parts of the core training no matter what we went onto later.
From a self-defense standpoint, I found my school's "version" of JKD to be effective and useful. (The only other JKD school near me was heavy into Wing Chun, and no knocking it, it was also efficient, but based on more traditional Chinese styles than the Thai/Filipino blend that we practiced). My sifu did offer classes specifically for Women's Self Defense, and they were taught with zero MMA mindset, just what could be effective and 15 minutes of pressure sparring at the end of every hour-long class. Some of the women who took it were scary to watch after a few weeks.
Was it JKD? Definitely in the sense of "absorb what is useful" that Bruce Lee used to write about. The style was drawn from every system my school offered (Muay Thai, BJJ, JKD, Kali, Wing Chun trapping) and focused entirely on what could be applied swiftly, easily, and efficiently. That might not be the same as what Bruce Lee laid down, but you can't argue it didn't work. And most of the students at my school tended to follow that core doctrine of "if it works, use it; if it doesn't, then don't." I guess what I'm trying to say is it was unorthodox in terms of style, but faithful in terms of philosophy.
And one final point: in the two instances where I did need to defend myself after training there, I was able to neutralize my opponent's attack and GTFO before things got bad. I'm not saying I won or I took my opponent down, I'm saying I managed to use what I had learned to stop them just long enough to escape the situation unharmed. In my books, that's what self defense should ultimately be about.
I trained in a Inosanto affiliated JKD/Kali school years ago and it was the same thing, we did a lot of sparing/bag/Pad work, even sparing with blunt knives and padded sticks, as well as submission wrestling, it was great and probably the 2nd best school that taught me to fight aside from when I trained strait up Muay Thai in my early 20s. They also did women's defense classes for women who weren't trained and same thing only simple effective ways to get away and keep you alive, along with situational awareness. On the flip side one of the instructors was a woman who was certified JKD/Kali under Dan Inosanto, who also studied Sayoc Kali, Boxing and Muay Thai (outside of the school), and she was a fkin bad-ass and not afraid to go full out toe-to toe with the men at the school.
@@SnowWolf9999 Yeah that 100% sounded like my school. We had Sayoc classes as well for the upperclassmen, and brought in experts on Savate (for footwork and use of shoes) and Tuhon Atienza for seminars on self defense in street situations. I loved training there, I just eventually got priced out.
Talkjutsu needs to start being put on these lists. People should look into how effective talk jutsu is. We might be surprised.
Dattebayo!
TJJ is basic NLP :)
For women's self defence, the very first technique I teach is the eye gouge. The first thing you will do is the first thing that you learn, so I make sure that it will be effective. That, ear slaps, elbows to the throat/neck, stomp kicks to the knees and knees into the groin seem to stop most problems. If a martial art is not teaching these on the first day, then it will not really teaching self defence . But I suppose I teach this because I come from a karate background. But in a self defence situation, never, ever go to the ground. But the number one self defence technique of all? Avoid the situation. If you get into physical combat, then something has already gone wrong.
Yes! As I commented above we were just talking about arts where you fight fair. Chances are if a woman is being attacked it's already not a fair fight, no need to be polite!
From what I was told is that women should learn grappling first before striking. 9 times out of 10 an untrained man is going to grab you. But in a self defense situation always strike first then try to get away. If the man somehow is able to grab you that's you learn grappling first. Agree with going to the ground should be the last option.
So you practice eye gouging? With goggles or sth?
You're a chick with a dude on top and you try to press into his eyes, then what? He's still on top. Not only will you be unsuccessful gouging anything if you can't grapple, you won't get out subsequently. Hitting someone in the eyes hurts, but it's not an instant turn-off button.
@@MrCmon113 - If you drive your thumb into the back of their eye socket, suddenly they are reacting to you, not the other way around. And the need to react to an eye gouge is very, very strong. And yes, a proper eye gouge is pretty much an instant win. An eye poke isn't, but that is not what we are talking about. But there is a reason that eye gouges are banned in EVERY combat sport on the planet.
Once they are reacting to you, usually grabbing your hand, then you follow up with a knee to the pubic bone or an elbow to the side of the head.
Great to see this video done again with a woman's perspective and opinions, even if the rankings aren't significantly different. The nuance in the conversation matters a lot
It is so frustrating that karate has these negative connotations (as earned as they may be).
I run a karate school and we base all of our classes (kids and adults) on the traditional approach which encorporates the use of striking, clinching, throws, and pre-emption as the main ways in which to deal with real life violence. On top of that we run awareness, escape and de-escalation drills to aid the training too.
Yeah, after the classes of GoJu-Ryu that I attend, I oftentimes return home in bruises
Unfortunately, that puts you to be 1 in 100.
I feel like karate in general should be much higher than a D- on this list. I would probably give it around a B or B- personally. I can see why it’s not the most effective, but it might get you somewhere. However, it DEPENDS on the school and or style.
Even though I currently train BJJ I still reluctantly accept Amber's evaluation. Not all BJJ schools are the same, but most don't provide a lot of repetitive, consistent self-defense instruction, many give it enough lip service so they can put "Self-Defense" on their sign or website.
Where I trained about 30% of the blue belt requirements covered self-defense from standing, I also trained Fit To Fight for 10 months, and the self defense concepts and techniques were very similar except for some minor details and emphasis. We also put on gloves and drilled dealing with punches and kicks. I recognize this is rarer with BJJ than it used to be.
The most important things about self defense are Awareness, Avoidance, Attitude and always stomp the groin twice. /jk
I think showing up and applying anything rated C or above is generally better than not training at all. The 6 month yardstick is a good one to use and rate self-defense instruction. How much legit self defense will someone likely learn if they consistently show up and train every week for 6 months.
She is so dead on about almost everything. She's so smart and insightful. Truth is, most of us are amazing at self defense because we avoid physical confrontation all the time.
I agree that the best option is avoiding the situation. The more tools in your toolbox, the better... However, I am really disappointed that you included gun-fu, but you didn't include pepper spray. In many cases, a woman is going to be at a disadvantage in a physical encounter. But if it doesn't warrant a gun, pepper spray is a good option. I am a big guy. Even with 30+ years of martial arts experience, I still carry pepper spray. I don't want to get into a physical fight, and if forced to fight, I would deploy pepper spray first if the opportunity presented itself.
Improv classes! Fantastic idea! This is why I love Fit to Fight, Amber, and YOU! Thanks for bringing this to us. Full disclosure, I am not a woman but have always been intrigued by "women's self defense" and what women themselves have to say about it and their perspective is always much different than a man's...
What I like best is that she’s clearly ranking the arts in a vacuum, meaning XYZ art and nothing else to supplement it
Yes, the tricky one is Filipino Martial Arts (Kali/Escrima/Arnis) since yes, there is a lot of variability, but also because most people don't know what it is.
FMA proper is warfare. It is not tame or nice at all. It is killing or maiming the enemy. Which is a bit of a problem for your regular lawful self defence deal.
The obvious thing to spot right from the outset is that FMA is complete. Wrestling through to archery. The thinking is not restricted to 'empty hand self defence' at all. Blades are ever present. Which again, is.a major problem for your regular self defence thinking.
But FMA shows you the actual parameters in a lawless or warfare environment perfectly.
Yeah most people only think it's some stick drills. However this is another art that has some quality control issues in the US, I've trained with actual FMA instructors who spent years and years perfecting their skills and have also seen guys that did a few seminars and got certified online teaching the FMA program at local Karate schools labeled as FMA experts.
Something that she only touched on briefly is unfortunately for women a lot of self-defense scenarios are not "stranger on the street". It's more "in a crowded bar" or as she pointed out "someone you trusted". Martial Arts just do not address those situations, which is why I loved her comment at the end about improv. Honestly a real women's self defense course should probably only have a minimal amount of punching and kicking.
PS This is not to say women should not do martial arts! Just know that it does not equal self-defense.
Krav maga does with Stay Away course, seminars and scenario training. Fighting multiple attackers in the dark with loud music in a crowd is hard but something I practised during my krav training sessions. One of the sickest scenarios we ever did is throwing a women in a lockerroom with a large male attacker while being lured by another girl that was crying on the floor. We shut the door as soon as she walked in.
So glad I watched this, thank you
Aside from the MMA thing (lol), the Judo ranking seems the most out of place to me.
I do and enjoy Judo, and I think it's a great supplement to other martial arts (as Ronda used it), but on its own, very lacking. If you take off your gi jacket, the average Judoka will feel completely lost and are going to have very few options. The ruleset in Judo is very specific, which means their groundwork is nowhere near that of BJJ and wrestling, and often encourages bad practices.
For general self defense I'd put, Wrestling > BJJ > Judo. For women I'd probably swap BJJ and wrestling just due to having more attack options off your back.
how many people do you encounter outside that don't wear cloths, and how often are you naked on the steets that you don't feel the need for defense againt grabs on cloths?
@@TB-fm8kf Who said anything about naked? You won't get (for example) a collar-sleeve grip on most clothes... How many street fight videos have you seen between people wearing winter coats?
@@buubtube You learn in Judo to defend againt cloth grappling, you don't in non-gi arts. by far, the most attacks on women on the streets begins with grabbing cloths. so if you don't run around naked, Judo has the edge abouve all non-gi arts
This was a really good and honest interview it explained that it is not the style but the teaching that is so important!I have trained most of my life in many of those arts,Every street fight I have fought I won using a combo of them,A guy was coming at me with a broken bottle and I took him out with one front kick,I fought some really good boxers and used judo to finish them quick and some chokes! I think my hands got pretty fast from years of Filipino Arnis, I also fought in the Golden Gloves,Depending on who you are who you are fighting and the place you are fighting,no one style will work,Just develop skills,be in good condition and don't hesitate to really hurt your opponent! For a woman Boxing is very effective just open your fingers and go for the eyes then get out of there!
Owning and carrying a firearm is the best self defense tool for a woman. Change my mind.
As long as they know how to shoot or are at least competent in deploying the firearm. But these are Europeans and don't have freedom at all, so of course they will shut that down.
What about owning and driving a tank?
@@MrCmon113 Sure, why not. I'd like to own a fighter jet as well.
@@MrCmon113 They have to step out of the tank at some point.
@@MrCmon113🐑
Number one reason I don't like these rankings, is because realistically, you have to either practice standing and ground work, AND you have to be taught street smarts and preventative tactics. The arguement is always "oh, well people don't have time to take multiple martial arts, so this is if they could only pick ONE." The answer is, take a women's self-defense class that combines Judo, BJJ, FMA techniques concepts, and cherry picks those that have universal principles and would be used a lot in the context of women.
What it can't have are martial art techniques or concepts that encourage "playing" fighting. You don't want to Box, you don't want to fight Muay Thai or Karate. You don't want to pull guard, you don't want to give your back to do a throw.
You want to be able to avoid looking like a victim, you want to look like you'd be trouble in terms of time or noise or danger. You want to have enough wit to de-escalate. When it comes to physical contact you want to break grips and be ready to throw. You don't want to engage (like Judo) and throw, but you want to react and throw if someone grabs you. You don't want to go for a guard pull + sweep, but for a sweep if you get yanked down. You don't want to punch, but if they swing at you you want to be able to get out of the way and do damage on the way out (eyes, nose, neck, balls, depending which level you're evading).
Point is, you need to know how to avoid conflict, how to be trouble and buy time, how to disengage grips and grabs effectively (including throws), how to get out of pins, how to get back to your feet and how to do damage quickly and effectively without engaging in a fight and putting up your hands like a moron, facing a 230 lb dude who has longer reach and way more power than you. You want to know the law of self-defense in your jurisdiction and when it's worth risking breaking the law, and when it's not.
I agree 100 %
I have been doing BJJ and other mixed martial arts for a decade now, and I've never been to a jiujitsu school that didn't teach take downs, working from the clinch and wall wrestling. If the class is really big and there's no room, sure we'll all be on our knees, but the idea that the majority of BJJ students that have been doing this for a considerable time, DON'T know how to take someone down to the ground, is ridiculous. And secondarily, running from an attacker is always the best option until they grab you and get close. (Then you have no choice but to engage in some kind of grappling.) All of that being said, its a tool. Not a tool for every case scenario, but its a tool regardless. Just like striking, or running, or even using a weapon.
Yeah I’ve seen this a lot lately. I’ve cross trained at a lot of gyms around the country(US) and I’ve never been to a gym that did zero takedowns and takedown defense. It’s not judo or wrestling level but most schools teach higher percentage takedowns. You definitely don’t spend as much time on each takedown as they do in a judo or wrestling class though so bjj athletes probably aren’t winning these competitions. But since they work high percentage takedowns it’s probably good for the streets. The competition scene and memes about butt scooting probably give people that impression. They also work the clinch like Muay Thai. I do think it’s still properly ranked just below judo though.
Solid point. I think being very skilled at judo (and I'm talking at least brown belt level which can take a couple of years), is advantageous trying to actually a throw a skilled grappler, but the basic takedowns (and takedown defense) you get in most BJJ schools is more than enough to deal with an untrained or even slightly skilled opponent.
The thing is judo gives a person the sense of balance on feet that no other art does. You can hardly take down a good judoka because their firm as a stone when standing . Judo is the only art which has an specialised sweep takedowns which makes them more aware of balancing in feet. The idea of self defense it taking someone down in a controlled manner while also making sure you don't stay down with them and if somehow you go down with them u either submit them quick or stand back up and manage distance which judo does perfectly
I think anyone that actually does BJJ knows that this common critique is BS. Every BJJ gym teaches either JJJ, Wrestling or Judo standing techniques (or all of them). The exception may be if the club ALSO has those separate martial art classes, and each one is more focused due to that. Although you see lots of guard pulls in comp, it's usually because both competitors are trained in standing, and it's hard to take each other down, so one of them gives up and takes them to the ground. Sometimes you also see standing subs, or takedown into sub.
@@dhimankalita1690 They're balanced until you attack their legs, which they have no answer for.
A consideration that I don't see mentioned often is age and time. It's different if you're putting an 8 year old girl into a martial art to learn self defense or a 50 year old woman. If you put an 8 year old into Judo seriously, in 10 years they're going to be very strong, and very athletic with thousands of rounds of sparring under their belt and able to defend themselves well against most average people and have a very good understanding of their own physical capabilities. Take that 50 year old and in 10 years they are either going to be competent or have been down a lot for injuries.
Some martial arts will turn you into an athlete, but only if you start at the right time. Others will never turn you into an athlete and build that physical base. And depending on your age and athletic base, which path you choose will get you different results.
Boxing+judo! What do you think!
Thank you for pointing out the detriment cardio kickboxing(I feel dirty saying it) has done to actual kickboxing. I've competed in both kickboxing and muay thai. It has ruined what people think of actual kickboxing. I have also done studio karate and jiu-jitsu. The issue with a ton of martial arts and "self defense" schools is that they do not prepare their people(men or women) for just how brutal 200lbs dude or even a determined 150lbs dude can be. Part of this is the school and part of this is both men and women, for different reasons can have a difficult time getting past the fear of what it is really like to get truly be attacked. This is were boxing, kickboxing(muay thai), jui-jitsu, mma, wrestling, etc truly can be beneficial. The problem of course is this training takes time and how do you get people in the door and to stay. When it comes to firearms, although not perfect, there are 500,000-2.5 million times per year(per CDC, not quite pro gun) people, mostly untrained use a firearm in some way to save their life or stop a crime. This is a staggering number, even on the low end. A firearm is a force multiplier that truly can even the odds with minimal training. Obviously the more the better. Schools like Tactical Response can train someone in two days to be reasonably proficient in fighting with a gun, mindset being the most important asset. I get what your point about having people clear a house when they could just leave. Any decent firearms school will reinforce this, but you do need to create scenarios to challenge people, induce stress and teach specific skills. Anyways, great overall video. Sorry for the long post.
Nice interview. Although I disagree with some (e.g., the lack of quality control in Krav Maga is a bigger deal to me), I think the list was generally good and she was transparent and honest when she ranked things based on limited experience.
Yesss we really need this!!
Amber clearly knows her stuff. Respect for putting Judo way above BJJ.
I would say that they are both equally flawed. It’s just become fashionable to be contrarian about BJJ but Judo, even though it is superficially sound, has a lot of problems for making it a self defense art even removing her criticisms of the toll on one’s body. I like both and practice both but this is the reality.
@@gudea5207 Yeah if I was to bet on the average BJJ practitioner (who practices gi and no-gi as most do) vs the average Judoka in a street fight, I'd put all my money on the BJJ guy.
"Improv might be S tier." Couldn't agree more. The only fight you're guaranteed to walk away from in one piece is the one you don't get into.
“I have no experience with it so let me put it here”
A lot of people on either side. Stand up guys or BJJ guys have their views on what is best.
All I ask is give something a try for at least 6months. Find a school for example one that teaches the gracie combatives. Try that for 6 months and then give feedback.
All martial arts have their flaws. I did karate for a large part of my life then moved over to kickboxing. Realising the flaws of karate.
I then also started doing bjj to supplement my kick boxing.
I am part of a gracie bjj school and we practice “fight simulation” where someone else puts on gloves and is allowed to do anything. Punch kick and so on. Where the partner is only allowed to use bjj.
It’s fun and clearly shows your gaps and pressure testing the things you learned.
Can’t knock things by what you think. Try it first.
or just do MMA and learn bjj and kick boxing at the same time.
Finally someone who isn’t bias about bjj.
If you don't have 10,000hrs to train. focus on the eyes, throat and groin. Target selection is critical
I think the reason I think Kravmaga is the best is that I learn everything from punch, kick, wrestling, iKido, knife fencing. I think martial arts, of course, should cover all areas.Would it be easy for a person to give in just because they're punched? Rather, they can attack with chairs, bottles, or in the Philippines, they can come with a knife, or they can bring a friend,
Krav as the highest ranked is absolutely hilarious 🤣
For womans! Them using it and quickly run away is good
Retarded 😂😂😂
For women it is the best.
Finally I really needed this
Glad to hear it!
@@MartialArtsJourney thank you it really helped making up my mind and I guess I'm going for judo
Great conversation and I'm glad you continue to be willing to rationally discuss contentious topics.
I think one thing that makes this perhaps more contentious than it should be is trying to rate all of these in a wholistic manner. As comes up several times in the discussion, there is the physical skills (actually dealing with an active physical struggle) and the pre-conflict aspect. This last aspect includes things like situational awareness, avoidance, deescalation, and escape. And I think conflating these two into a single ranking is problematic (you can actually get this several times when Amber trying to place things).
In the military, this latter aspect is sometimes referred to as "left of bang" and is usually treated somewhat separately from technical combat skills. For example, you teach hard-core combat skills like marksmanship and room clearing with a focus on effectiveness. You don't explicitly teach the "left of bang" stuff in this training, though you may discuss. That other stuff gets covered separately (as it should in my opinion), though will get incorporated in live exercises and scenario training that involve technical skills.
I always treat this similarly with self-defense. I think it is critical for anyone interested in self-defense to spend significant time on "left of bang" things, for which I universally recommend reading Rory Miller and I would routinely do a little of at the beginning of certain classes when I was teaching BJJ. However, I still encourage people to train in an effective martial art if they can afford to whether that art explicitly addresses the "left of bang" stuff or not.
Now back to the effectiveness aspect, while I understand the thought process Amber used, I'd definitely challenge her on a bunch of the ranking. Just as a simple example, if you took several groups of women and gave them 6 months to train regularly in a martial arts at the end of which, they'd have to address a physical attack, I personally believe the group that only did BJJ, would fair much better than things like boxing and judo.
For context (and as a kind of disclaimer), I am a BJJ black belt, I trained in Aikido for many years in the 90s, I've done a fair amount of boxing training, and studied judo for a year (I am officially ranked as a green belt). After my first year of BJJ, I was able to deal with most people off the streets (something I definitely did not have after several years of Aikido). I can say definitively that I still struggle with applying judo on anyone with even a little training who is trying to resist me throwing them and if I had to rely entirely on striking to handle an aggressive attacker, I'd be in bad shape for sure. I mostly use striking and judo to create distance so I can escape or to create an opening to get to grappling range.
Again, I 100% agree that there is not nearly enough focus on the "left of bang" stuff in almost any martial arts, but if I was going to recommend a martial arts path to anyone who had average time to put into it, I'd recommend BJJ supplemented with simple boxing and a good focus on the conceptual material presented by people like Rory Miller (or Matt Thornton). I am actually also a retired military officer who has been involved in some combatives training which also suffers from a lack of clarity in covering these two separate aspects effectively.
Anyway, thank you again for all your great content.
Y'all, I LOVE that dude is willing to let others with expertise be great instead of just kinda run with conjecture. I love this. Man allows limelight for others in the same realm and I love it. These perspectives are super valuable.
OK. I've watched a million of these Tier lists for martial arts. Amber comes across as the most modest and knowledgeble person to create this list. She addresses a lot of aspects of the defense that other people don't- For example the full contact aspect of grappling that give kids a lot of confidence. Great job. Oh. but the Krav Maga rating is higher than I thought. lol.
I don't think much of her rankings, but sje did have some really great thoughts and insights!
“You gotta lose to know how to win“ Steven Tyler
MMA Is a separate martial art. Why? Because no other martial art covers specific techniques for wrestling against a wall and most of all specific techniques for striking while grappling on the ground.
I think JKD is great for people who already have a good foundation in combat sports. Saw some videos of some JKD instructors from NY Martial Arts academy sparring with Jeff Chan and they're absolutely amazing.
Yeah Bruce Lee made it to fit in with the modern world
when Bruce first started teaching it, he only taught it to trained martial artists, Taki Kimura was the first person he taught JKD that hadn't already been proficient in other arts first
"Improve classes might be S" is such a based take. Pretty solid idea
Amber is awesome! Ya, She was thinking about the best martial art as being one that is more intuitive, instinct based, with moderate training.
Bruce Lee movie reference "What's your STYLE?" Bruce Lee replies "THE ART OF FIGHTING WITHOUT FIGHTING" She nailed it by saying "If you can talk yourself out of situations"
Please do a tier list for active sesniors in the 60 - 75 year old range. Thanks!
Try Kravmaga, is the best self defense for the weaker to defend against a strong opponent. In my class we have men and women from ages of 12 to 82!!!
I'm a man and I felt more comfortable listening to a woman talk about martial arts than I ever have listening to a man. There's not much recognition out there of the existence of men like myself who are not particularly strong, tough or brave but who nonetheless long to find some pathway into martial arts. All I see out there are men (mostly) who are much stronger, tougher and braver I am and it seems impossible to make my way among them (and that often seems to be the point). Even just this woman's acknowledgement that it's intimidating to step into a dojo full of skillful, strong, tough practitioners is helpful. It's like, yeah, okay, my being regarded as weak and lame by comparison isn't a sign of failure, after all... it doesn't mean I've made a mistake showing up in the first place. I'm allowed to be the idiot new guy (the FNG). Bastardizing a line of Jesse Pinkman from _Breaking Bad,_ "I know who I am: I'm the f---ing new guy." 😎
By the way: Permission to simp? (Granted.) That woman in the video is scorching hot. Imagine being the man who can draw the attention of a woman like that. 🤯
"i really don't know this martial art, so I'm just going to rate it like a 'D' "
Smoothest of smooth brain takes, I love it.
kinda relates to her lack of experience. Maybe they dated?
I didn't realise how many McDojos are in the US. The JKD training I received here in the UK was so in depth. Functional and very intense. When I joined kickboxing I slaughtered my opponents.
Shes awesome. You should put her in USDC 3, to see how well she performs against the men.
YES PLEASE
that is a savage idea, love it!
@@Mery143341 WONT YOU COME AND PUT IT DOWN ON ME (im sorry intrusive thoughts won)
Took hsing-i-chuan kung fu for 2 years. Full contact sparring was a big part of the curriculum. Years later, even though I'd forgotten all my forms, and all details of specific defense techniques, it still totally served me for self-defense. It absolutely improved my balance and made all these weapons on my body available to use second naturedly: (feet, knees, hands, elbows & shoulders) and from whatever angle. I was seriously amazed by what a good choice I'd made to have practiced it!
If you can find a Kung Fu school that actually does full contact sparring, it's a win, win in my mind, the non fighting parts help your flexibility ,balance, awareness of your body's mechanics and meditation better than any other arts I've personally studied, and if you can find one that actually teaches you to fight on top of it, it is seriously like finding a pearl in an oyster.
@SnowWolf9999 plus full contact sparrring is fun & it made me not frightened to take a hit. When we got struck in the ring, the student quickly bowed in acknowledgment of the strike, it was like thanking our opponents for the lesson.
I *_loved_* this video! Not only do I agree with her rankings, even for a guy, but it's so great just hearing her talk...about anything. I've mostly seen her just as basically Ryan's "Professional Uke." Maybe I'm not looking around enough, or whatever. I fully admit it could be my fault, but still... Amber's great. Current-day Ryan vs. maybe 5 years ago Ryan seems like he lost a lot of his humor for some reason? I could be wrong. I probably am. 🤷♂
My two cents...
The most common blows that should be most feared on the streets are the 5 below:
1- punches, because anyone knows how to throw a punch even without technique and some people are very athletic even without knowing how to fight and can give you a strong punch (as in Streetbeefs and Strelka fights), not to mention a possible big weight difference on the street, to deal with this well I thought that being very good at boxing would dictate an abyss of technical difference when strength was not enough
2- clinch with knees and sometimes elbows, for that I thought of judo, to throw the attacker on the ground and quickly escape, after all, you don't want to keep exchanging blows in a clinch, you want to get out of there as quickly as possible. I would say that clinch to throw knees is more common in fights than elbows, but in any case, due to the exposure of the arms to grab you and the distance without being too glued, judo seems better for this situation than Greco Roman wrestling
3- grab the shirt (or neck/wrists) to throw punches while the aggressor holds the victim (like what happens in rugby and hockey fights). I think judo is better for this due to the intensive training in grip bursting in conjunction with Boxing to return punches if it takes even a little longer to release. The only problem is that I don't know if it's very difficult to break the grip on a regular shirt
4- grab the torso with the attacker's body pressed against yours to throw you to the ground. They are very dangerous, if you land on your head it is a sure knockout on the concrete, so I would say this time Greco Roman wrestling first and judo second. Someone have any tips on how to deal with them better for a judo practitioner who doesn't train much without the gi? There is no Greco Roman wrestling in my country :(
5- When the attacker manages to throw you to the ground and is on top, definitely jiu-jitsu, however, that would be 3 martial arts, so I would say Judo for those who can only do 2 arts, as there is a minimum of jiu-jitsu in case fall below in a possible attack
A few more considerations:
1- I didn't consider the double/single leg very dangerous on the street because most people who don't know wrestling have a terrible takedown, including those who do jiu-jitsu, so I imagine that training takedown defense (sprawl) on your own and and good movement with a boxing pivot is enough
2- And about the kicks, I also think that there are few people who are good enough to use them in a street fight, i'm tired of seeing people take takedowns or punches in the face for not being good enough with kicks in Streetbeefs and Strelka fights, so rubbing a broomstick on the shin to reduce sensitivity to low kicks and plyometric exercises, weight lifting and short-distance running to increase bone density and training the defenses/dodges of kicks to boxing shadow should be enough
3- If a person declares aggression against you, even if it is just through language and/or gestures, and you are at least two arms' length away from the attacker, you can use pepper spray and run away, your family must accompany you in this mentality. My criterion for two arms' distance takes into account that the aggressor can pass his hand over his face and then put his hand in your face, and also takes into account that when you reach for your pepper spray, you could be punched in the face in a shortest distance
4- never turn your back to run from an attacker less than two arms away. If you have not incapacitated him in some way, he can quickly catch up with you and with your back turned you will be defenseless
5- If you fall on top of the attacker, just hit and get up to run, on the street the only real danger I imagine for Jiu Jitsu is being on the bottom
6- if you have family members to protect then you must instruct them so that they are minimally aligned with your thoughts of self-defense, after all, you are not capable of immobilizing 3 criminals on the street, at most you delay them so your family can run and you too run shortly thereafter
Considering all this, for those who can do a maximum of two martial arts, I imagine that Boxing and Judo would be the best combination. It is an approach focused on the greatest aggressive explosion for the techniques that represent the greatest risk on the street and running as soon as possible
Overall great video, a great topic for someone who is a woman and an industry leader in women’s self defense! I was a bit surprised that striking arts were not penalized more given the completely ineffective nature of strikes against someone significantly bigger and stronger. Also BJJ has gotta be S tier for learning how to get someone off of you…. Getting out of a pin has got to be a top 5 skill in self defense. The idea that self defense training looks different depending on the students makes some sense, but I feel it’s flawed logic…. A self defense course that’s mature should have a set of skills that you should be able to do at the end of the course! You have to build it based on scenarios and needs of the students, you can’t measure learning if you don’t have a syllabus…. Just feels like she isn’t sure what she wants to cover until she understands her students objectives in life. Instead, self defense needs to start with definitions in the law for where you live and work backwards.
Yeah, I would say that if you expect an attack from someone significantly larger, becoming better at strikes becomes a less efficient use of time.
And I wager plenty of dudes want to hold you down and harass you as a woman, but not necessarily punch you. Which makes pure grappling especially relevant.
I just wanted to write a comment when I saw that you wrote exactly what I was thinking. I really don't see how striking arts would ever resolve a dangerous situation for the AVERAGE woman. It will not end the fight and the new situation is much worse than before. Of course, somebody as fit as Amber and with her experience might make it work but that is a really big difference to most women.
I do agree with Amber, in terms of self-defence, the most important aspect is the assurance and physical posture you project (or bluff projecting) when you are a bit trained. The objective is to avoid violence at all costs, right?
The stronger (menacing, dangerous, unstable, armed, unhinged, sadistic, etc...) the more you need to avoid violence. Because if you fight you will be full of fear and will need to chose between applying extreme violence or just accept to be abused.
Rokas, Paradoxically, AiIkido because it teaches you to never hurt others in a controlled dojo environment, learning the "fake fighting the Aikido way" also gives you the basics of how to really hurt someone badly (throat atemis, joint breaks etc..) , which is the only option you have if on a violent scenario with someone bigger/stronger/aggresive. If you cannot avoid violence there are only two outcomes:
1 you get beaten and finish in the hospital, alive with some luck, worse with less luck. (the most probable outcome, street fighters beat dojo people 99% of the time)
2 You hurt the other person and get in a whole world of legal trouble. Or even worse, you do real lasting damage to them. The stronger the aggressor, the more ruthless and maybe lethal you need to be.
I guess self defence is about complying/distracting/running.
Anything else there has no positive outcome really.
If you got yourself in the position of maybe having to use violence or someone maybe using violence on you, you have already failed your selfdefense.
Before that is when you will win the fight by avoiding the condition where it can happen.
(I am a law abiding European man and I live in Thailand(much much secure than Europe) , so my cultural assumptions about violence might not apply to other parts of the world, genders or other relationships with the law)
Krav Maga above Muay Thai, BJJ, Boxing, Wrestling, MMA and carrying/knowing how to use a gun lmao. At least she admitted she's biased
Yeah putting Krav Maga as A- and MMA in F tier was WILD to me.
Krav Maga should be in F while MMA should be on top tier. For small and weak ppl it is very important to understand their limit. KM will give a false confidence, making ppl believe one can easily finish the fight by applying aggresive techniques. This is very dangerous especially for weak and small ppl. MMA will teach ppl the reality plus train the student with multiple technique from diff MA.
She talked about other aspects of self defence like de-escalation as well as fighting skills. A decent krav school will teach these skills as well as how to physically fight. That is probably as, if not more important than knowing how to fight. I have known of talented combat athletes who due to overconfidence in their skills who have ended up getting smashed, stabbed or bottled and ended up seriously hurt because the MMA mindset amongst many is that if someone challenges you step up instead of talk them down and get out of there. In that respect Krav definitely has an advantage over combat sports when it comes to self defence. Self defence isnt all about how to win a fight against a skilled fighter.
@@TheThundertaker de-escalation techniques are good, but if that's all that your self-defense system has going for you than its not a very wise choice. There are many instances where you can't de-escalate a situation. Krav Maga's fighting techniques just aren't practical or really worth anything compared to MMA.
@@Matt2299 MMA courses are completely useless for self defense, most of the teachings there make your situation actively worse.
Amber is absolutely a great person to ask about which martial arts would help women best, get a female's perspective since many self-defense demos come from men and don't always account for strength or height difference. We need more of this, Q&A's and collaborations. Maybe Rokas and Amber can do some demos if they ever meet in a gym.
After years of martial arts I've tried Krav Maga (2 different schools), and while I agree with her pretty much with the rating of combat abilities - they focus on staying fit, doing some sort of sparing (not really pressure testing where I was) etc., I'd totally say it's like F for attitude. I mean I have met some women there that were 100 % sure they have no problem beating the men - until someone went all out on them with protective gear, and they realized it's done in like 6 seconds.
Some of them also believed having arm in an armlock is no problem, because hey, they always got from it in classes easily. Because noone went hard on them, ever. I mean the confidence is nice, but there's a difference between confidence and desilusion.
I agree. Krav sparring is very poor because they don't use protective gear and therefore go at like 20% which instills false confidence and (worse) the fake-martialarts idea of pretending you're going 100% at 20%. This means that in a real situation, the Krav practitioner may be expecting the attacker to go at this 100% = 20% when in reality they're going to punch for real.
I've also seen krav people lose teeth in their drills because they don't wear protective gear or mouth guards. That's just unacceptable in my opinion.
The question was specific to Wing Chun, not Shaolin Kung-fu, and sadly she never attended a class, so it would be nicer to omit it from the list/not put in a category after it became clear.
I was very surprised to see "gun jitsu" rank low F tier for women's self defense.
A well trained CCW holder seems like it should be much higher particularly for women of smaller stature.
But yes realistic training is key, and when to and when not to deploy.
It's F because it rarely teaches you what you really need for a gun use in self defense scenario. I've seen (and participated) some gun competitions/courses and no one addressed the most important thing - what happens before you can get to your gun. Attacks often starts at very close range (or even grabbing distance), especially attacks against women. First you need to know how to break a grapple or how to handle a man charging at close range. Then you can start thinking about actually using your gun. Teaching such martial art would save more lives than knowing how to clear a room.
@@themoss7115 Good CCW courses that I've attended were not solely focused on weapon deployment and shooting accuracy, but also included effective conceal methods (so people don't know you're armed in the first place), retention under attack, empty handed skills with an opponent at close range, de-escalation skills, accessing the firearm at the right moments, etc.
A good CCW program isn't teaching room clearing, that's sounds like a home defense course.
Having a firearm is the best defense against criminals favorite weapon, which is firearms and knives.
A small pissed off woman with a pistol is something criminals fear.
As a former pistol instructor, a firearm is not a great method of self defense for most people. In people with significant shooting experience who know how to deploy the weapon under pressure and have good retention training, it can be great. For everyone else, you’re just as likely to get yourself shot with your own gun. And that’s most people.
Wow. I'm a bit surprised the Kempo and TKD girl dissed Karate so hard.
I think JKD is better in principle than it is practice. Putting your dominant hand forward to deflect better/parry better is a really practical idea especially for a person that doesn’t get to train super often. I’m a southpaw and sometimes when I spar I’ll start in bladed orthodox just for the simple fact that it’s better to have good precise jabs when you’re feeling an opponent out and assessing skill level. Plus it’s nice to have the surprise factor of stepping on the outside of your opponent’s lead foot when I switch to my native stance. It throws a lot of guys off their rhythm.
In real world fighting I’d probably use my right hand as an anchor by grabbing a shirt or something, and throw power shots with my left because it’s more likely that the opponent isn’t going to be using a stance of any kind. There is a strong argument for jabbing with your dominant hand if you’re not confident in your coordination. Jabs work in real fights because most attackers aren’t used to taking moderately strong punches to the face.
You're talking about Ted Wong lineage there. Most high level JKD are ambidextrous
JKD fails the training methodology part real hard, though. That's where it's broken.
@@metrolinamartialarts I watch your stuff all the time. You’re channel is pretty much the reason I found out JKD was a thing. I mean I don’t use it. I’m a southpaw that leads left sometimes and that’s something.
the real problem with the switched stance is the footwork. very few can make it really work and they basically make it work by finding workarounds. having your weak leg at the back makes you less responsive/explosive and less stable
@@Jaburu I'm not gonna try and convince anyone. The less of us there are the better it is for us 😂
Capoeira has a unique origin. Black slaves in Brazil were prohibited from fighting. Therefore, they disguised themselves and pretended to be dancing. This formed the style, which is closely linked to the history of Brazil, and left it in this format. Another point about capoeira is that it is a style in which there is no combat or tournaments, just training.
Hell yeaaa Krav Maga is literally made for this, been practicing it for over a decade very happy to see it rated high!
Its true that it got a bit of a bad rep due to its popularity and misuse by MANY opportunist school that wants to cash out on name, but if you find someone legit who learned this martial art (and there are plenty of legit instructors out there) you couldn't be in better hands. I've seen so many girls and women completely BODY men way bigger and heaver than them, there are so many techniques that do not rely on raw strength, and its wonderful to see them being executed in stress situations. (of course, proper training is an absolute must to transition from controlled theory into actual application, also mental preparation is a huge part of krav maga too)
>I've seen so many girls and women completely BODY men way bigger and heaver than them
Where? In tournaments? Or in a friendly spar? I never go 100% with someone smaller than me.
Assertiveness ,being self-aware and aware of what's going on is already a self-defence on its own because you can prevent yourself from getting hurt.
Unfortunately there are situations where danger is unavoidable because anything can happen and that's why the ability to protect yourself (and others) is very important
I believe that Amber is a brown belt in BJJ, so it's quite interesting that she ranks it where she does. But in its more sportive form, it does have many shortcomings (Gracie jiu-jitsu is a far better curriculum for self-defense-oriented BJJ). That said, I am a little surprised that she'd put it below judo; judo is obviously awesome, but for women especially, it's just a difficult art to stay involved with in the long term; the risk of serious injury isn't to be taken lightly, and it's an art that relies very heavily on grip strength. I still think that BJJ, especially Gracie Combatives, is about the best way for women to have a good grappling base. It isn't that difficult for most men to get a woman on the ground; I always encourage women not to neglect their ground game.
Agreed. I mentioned in my post that I don't think I'd rank judo above BJJ, but neglected to highlight your point, which is spot on: judo is very physically demanding to get effective at. I got belted up in Judo after training for a year when I was 40 (I was already a very good BJJ purple belt at the time). The training was brutal and and getting through that year was very hard on my body. At the end of it, while I learned some useful things, I don't think the effectiveness of what I learned was even close to what I had at the end of my first year of BJJ.
Also, if anyone wants to challenge how hard judo is vs BJJ, simply have their local BJJ school announce that they will be teaching judo only at an upcoming class and see who shows up. Haha. This is a well known phenomenon: the best way to guarantee you won't have students in a BJJ class is to say you are focusing on throws in a given class.
You paint a false image of judo. Judo is not about only grip strength it also has a specialised footsweep(ashiwaza) which no other art has. Coming to Gracie jujitsu which has everything judo has (it is just old school judo rebranded)so I don't see how it is different than judo . The paln is to get the open on the ground not stay in ground with him. Even if you go to the ground either you submit him or get back up quickly. Jujutsu specialised on newaza more while judo on standing and throwing
@@dhimankalita1690 If I can just pipe in, I think it is accurate to say that Judo (primarily because of the rule set) does differ significantly with how it is trained despite the shared techniques and foundations. I think the original post was meant to point out that judo is much more physically demanding than BJJ in most cases. This squares fairly well with my observations.
Regarding the grip thing, while grip strength may not be the right way to describe it, Judo does have a strong focus on aggressive grip fighting. I don't think I've ever been to a Judo school where the majority of students don't have taped up fingers and serious "grappler hands". This definitely is an aspect of BJJ, but I believe it is much more severe in Judo.
FWIW: I love Judo footsweeps and think they are one of the most beautiful techniques out there, but I'd also point out that Muay Thai also has similar footsweeps that work extremely well in perhaps more situations. I'm fairly certain I've been put on my ass more sparring stand up with Muay Thai fighters than I have with Judoka.
@@dhimankalita1690 "Coming to Gracie jujitsu which has everything judo has" I just lost IQ points.
@@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 I'm sad for that single iq which u lost.
I appreciate her saying that there's a difference between kickboxing fir fitness and kickboxing for self defense.
I would take kickboxing for fitness over nothing but I wouldn't want just that.
Albeit kickboxing for fitness helps for fitness.
Putting MMA on the bottom, and Krav Maga on the top is so harmful to actual people trying to figure out where they should go to learn to defend themselves. It’s OBVIOUS to anyone with any experience that someone who gets proficient at a your average MMA gym would be WAY better off in a self defense situation than someone proficient in Krav Maga.
The comment about Aikido being the originator of wrist locks like Kote Gaeshi. Is wrong Jiu-Jitsu, (Japanese Jiu- Jitsu) was doing this before Aikido even existed. Also Chinese Chin-Na teaches Wrist locks and that is older then all the other Martial arts. Aikido was invented by Morihei Ueshiba After World War ll. The techniques were largely borrowed from older Martial Arts.
I usually don't like to argue or hate on people's opinions in the comments but putting mma at f is honestly insane
But she is right. a course that says "MMA" is not great for selfdefense. you learn a lot but nother good enough and you learn it for fighting agressively in tournaments.
@@TB-fm8kf I understand your point, but I have to disagree. Nowadays there are a lot of very good and legit MMA gyms that teach you pretty much every aspect there is to fighting, a wide range of striking, wrestling, throwing, BJJ and grappling in general, and most of them also teach how to mix all of those things together efficiently, and practice and test everything in sparring. And for self defense I believe you need to understand and be proficient in all those aspects of fighting hence why I think mma could be very good, if not the best, for self defense and any situation of fighting
Boxing, muay Thai, judo, wrestling, and bjj. Learn these, and you'll be super effective well rounded fighter.
She is so wrong about BJJ, she said its better to prevent to get taken down, thats the point. BJJ practises takedowndefense all the time, maybe not as good as wrestlers do but still. Thats like saying "dont train boxing" because getting hit is bad
Aww did she burst to bubble about bjj
Lmao
😂 like 90% of BJJ tools are on the ground what are you talking about.
It's better to know it, but even better to know how to prevent it in a dangerous environment
@@ThepurposeofTime Yes but i am talking about the fighting aspect, you need to know Grappling when someone tries to Grapple with you. Pretty easy to understand, every BJJ practitioner learns to sprawl and defend takedowns
@@olvolv71 sprawling is not the only defence for take downs. Judo or wrestling are far superior grappling arts to keeping yourself standing
@@ThepurposeofTime Yes wrestling would be 100%, i even said that. BJJ comes from Judo, Judo has no leg attacks tho so i would still think bjj is better for staying on your feet. But that wasnt my point, i said that bjj is very good for self defense and that her argument didnt make sense
"Improv classes might be S" is a fantastic point that goes into self protection vs self defense.
Gotta say that she was really wrong about bjj. All bjj competitions start standing, and you are penalized if you pull guard. I guess she is not a competitor, but you'd think she at least knew the competition ruleset
I gave it a little check she'a a brown belt, and she has actually competed once. This is making me worried about the US bjj scene. She won two matches both on points without using takedowns? How are you a brown belt in bjj and think that bjj practitioners by large don't know how to do throws and standing finishes? 😂
Excellent presentation.
S: MMA, Sambo, Kudo, GaidoJutsu
A: Japanese Jiu Jitsu, Catch Wrestling, JKD
A-: Wrestling, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Muay Thai (Kickboxing)
B: Judo, Boxing, TKD, Wing Chun Kung Fu
B-: Karate
C: Krav Maga
C-: Capoeira
D:
D-:
F: Aikido, Systema
S tier: A martial art that you can take without the need to take other martial arts or without the need to readjust the art itself to be successful in MMA or real-life combat. That martial art contains all aspects of fighting such as striking, clinching, takedowns, and ground fighting.
A tier: That martial art contains only either striking (such as punching, trapping, and kicking altogether) or grappling (such as clinching, takedowns, and ground fighting altogether), but the striking component or the grappling component of that martial art is well suited for an MMA setting or for real-life combat, such that there is no need to readjust that art to make it work in MMA or real-life combat.
A- tier: That martial art contains only either striking or grappling (such as clinching, takedowns, and ground fighting), but the striking component or the grappling component of that martial art needs some readjustments to make that art work in MMA or real-life combat.
B tier: That martial art should be used to compliment other striking/grappling martial arts to increase the chance of success in MMA. For example, Judo throws can be used to compliment wrestling/BJJ; and boxing head-movement/footwork, TKD footwork/kicks, and Wing Chun trapping can be used to compliment kickboxing (Muay Thai). Some readjustments are still needed to make that art work in MMA or real-life combat.
B- Tier: A martial art that may only either contain striking or grappling or both, but most elements of that martial art can easily be substituted (such as why do karate to train for kickboxing when you can train kickboxing instead or why train karate kicks when TKD/Muay-Thai kicks are superior) and nearly none of the elements in that martial will compliment your striking/grappling as much as B tier martial arts.
C Tier and Below: A martial art with most elements that do not apply to MMA or real-life combat most of the time and there is little to no incentive to learn that art compared to other martial arts, since that martial art does not teach any fundamental aspect of striking/grappling; or that martial art has a totally flawed view of striking/grappling or has a totally flawed fundamentals. Ranking is dependent based on the applicability in MMA-setting or in real-life combat.
People keep thinking that if you learn an art that teaches striking, clinching, takedowns, and ground fighting altogether you'll be a "jack of all trades and master of none", but they are missing the point. It's not about being an expert in every martial arts but its about being an expert in MMA and in real-life combat. For example, why do I care if you are a 100x muay thai champion and 100x olympic gold medal wrestler, but can't win a single MMA match and can't apply these arts for real life combat and MMA. Look at how Jon Jones beat DC even though DC was an Olympic wrestler.