@@leonwilliams3221 That's good to hear! Got worried when I saw another comment on here that the driver had apparently serconbe to his injuries and unfortunately passed away.
When I did medical examinations on professional drivers , I had to fail about 10- 15 % of candidates for some medical issues , some even did not take their medication, or others needed a complete new workup as some new conditions never addressed by candidate or GP. Problem in UK is that DVLA accepts medical D4 reports from any GMC registered UK doctor, many working for extra cash for a vast number of cheap private " driver medical " companies( like I did) and candidates can easily get another medical booked if they fail one at another clinic. My suggestion to DVLA to only accept reports from the OWN GP of applicant, was never taken up. Hence this third world system. As examiner, you have no idea what other problems the candidate has as you don't have access to full medical records. That is for a licence which has the potential to endanger passengers as well as public on roads with 3,5- 7,5- 44 tonnes. Mad.
I have been on that bus (SL63 GCY) many times travelling along Oxford and Wilmslow Roads, looking at that I am not sure I will ever be again! Best wishes to both the driver of the bus and the driver of the tram!
When Metrolink started in the early 1990s, one of our neighbours was a GMP officer. He remarked that, when an RTA occurred, it was always easy to work out where the tram had been going....
This is NOT an RTC but a RAILWAY collision as anything that runs on rails including trams comes under the RAIB & has the SAME status as when a road vehicle is hit by a train on a level crossing.
@@ANDREWLEONARDSMITH The RAIB is just an investigatory body that establishes best practice and learnings, has nothing to do with how the police classify an incident.
Usually the trams and buses are going so slow in this area, thjey have plenty of time to avoid an accident, I hope nobody was seriously injured. Both vehicles should be repairable,, but given the age of the bus (11 years old), it's destined for the scrapheap as doing so won't be economically viable.
the vehicles involved look really badly damaged! hopefully everybody involved was ok (on a side note though, that tram is most definitely not going to bury anymore...)
@@glitchFan2428Will be back out quicker than you think. Most of the damage is fibreglass and glass. Apart from the cab window pillar, nothing looks structural.
@@darrenlh22 I had a similar experience once but the opposite, where a bus I had just missed got rear ended a few minutes later. Had I been on board I would almost certainly have been sat at the back as usual. That was a lucky escape...
This could not have been 2:13 pm. I'm pretty sure it should be 2:33 pm. At 2:13 pm, the bus was between the Dagenham Road (Rusholme) and St Mary's (Manchester Royal Infirmary), where it continued on route, as normal until it reached Piccadilly Gardens at 2:33 pm (5 minutes late as it should have arrived at 2:28 pm), ready to start it's return journey at 2:34 pm, back to Parrs Wood (East Didsbury), scheduled to arrive at 3:17 pm.
I obtained the timing off a statement from North West Ambulance service who said they received a 999 call at 2.13pm. Perhaps that might have been an error on their end?
2:33pm sounds right to me. I was on the tram and according to my Google Maps timeline I'd boarded it in Sale at 2:13pm, then was walking the rest of the way to Victoria at 2:38pm. The police were there within 5 minutes and were helping people off the tram pretty soon after.
Stagecoach's bus insurance premiums must be colossal by now. Hope the bus driver makes a full recovery. Thankfully this was a old diesel bus and not a brand new Bee bus.
@@andyburbidge4938i think they have to do some "Everything except the battery" deal with this kind of thing. That's the one component that makes it so costly.
They usually use another tram to tow the wrecked one or sometimes a special tow tram and the bus just gets towed away normally Then they just clear debris
They would have inspected it and made it safe prior to it being driven back to the depot. Otherwise they may have got another tram to tow it back. First impressions were the crumple zone at the front of the tram worked.
Might go for scrap as front damages looks bad with all windows broken,back in London a E400MMCH got a tree fallen on to it and it has been sitting in the scrapyard.
I've never understood why the trams arn't in tunnel in the city centre as happens in a lot of european cities. Then they wouldn't have to trundle about at 15mph and risk these sorts of collisions.
@@neilrobertson811 True and the way we fund these projects in this country is ridiculous. If Manchester was in Germany, France or Spain we would have an underground.
@neilrobertson811 Well, historical note: that was the original idea, in the 1970s, for the Picc-Vic rail tunnel. Never built, so we got Metrolink in the very early 1990s. Of interest, when the Irish remodelled Manchester city centre in June 1996, you could see the unfinished platforms for the unbuilt Arndale Centre station in the crater. It is still down there, but don't expect it to ever see a train.
Prob think half of the driver was not working so the could not feel half of his body which that half wouldnt work so he tried to brake but the other half would not work too so both halfs are halved with half and crash into tram half (hope they recover)
It doesn't help when they seem to be making ENVIRO buses out of either Paper Mache or Wet leaves these days. As a former coach/bus driver, I know there's very little impact structure at the front to protect the driver, but COME ON, at least try a little. Fact remains, drivers are quicker to replace than the bus, and cheaper. Best wishes to the driver in making a full recovery. I bet Stagecoach was going to say the same, but couldn't help.... yada yada BUT HOW'S THE BUS!?!?
That's a first generation though. I think the later generations have thicker front a pillars for the upper deck and maybe it also supports the lower deck.
@@glitchFan2428I would love it if she gets put back into service but I reckon she will get parted out as all the frame damage at the coupler and to the window frame ahh idk 😢
The bus barged into the tramway, not the other way around. The entire city center is essentially segregated from road traffic in case you hadn't noticed.
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Apparently the bus driver of this incident had a medical episode, and is in critical condition. Hopefully he makes it.
Thanks for letting us know. Hope he and the tram driver makes a full recovery.
Very unfortunate incident, wish both drivers and passengers speedy recovery
The driver is in a critical but stable condition they do not have life threatening injuries
@@leonwilliams3221 That's good to hear! Got worried when I saw another comment on here that the driver had apparently serconbe to his injuries and unfortunately passed away.
When I did medical examinations on professional drivers , I had to fail about 10- 15 % of candidates for some medical issues , some even did not take their medication, or others needed a complete new workup as some new conditions never addressed by candidate or GP.
Problem in UK is that DVLA accepts medical D4 reports from any GMC registered UK doctor, many working for extra cash for a vast number of cheap private " driver medical " companies( like I did) and candidates can easily get another medical booked if they fail one at another clinic.
My suggestion to DVLA to only accept reports from the OWN GP of applicant, was never taken up.
Hence this third world system.
As examiner, you have no idea what other problems the candidate has as you don't have access to full medical records. That is for a licence which has the potential to endanger passengers as well as public on roads with 3,5- 7,5- 44 tonnes. Mad.
“Not in service” is somewhat of an understatement!
(Hoping everyone recovers from this)
Many buses etc. seem to go to that destination !
I have been on that bus (SL63 GCY) many times travelling along Oxford and Wilmslow Roads, looking at that I am not sure I will ever be again! Best wishes to both the driver of the bus and the driver of the tram!
I believe I've been on that bus too at some point .. may all people who are recovering have a speedy recovery
thats a write off for certian !!
I've been on both the bus and the tram, In fact was on the tram the day before the incident
That bus will be back on the rd. It's only the front
@@anthonyyarwoodProbably just needs fibre glass panels replaced
sadly 4 people where injured from this crash. i hope they all have a speedy recovery
I was there, you will see me in the first bit of the video in a gren coat filming too. Hopefully, everyone is OK and well after the accident...
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When Metrolink started in the early 1990s, one of our neighbours was a GMP officer. He remarked that, when an RTA occurred, it was always easy to work out where the tram had been going....
This is NOT an RTC but a RAILWAY collision as anything that runs on rails including trams comes under the RAIB & has the SAME status as when a road vehicle is hit by a train on a level crossing.
its not trams, its classed as a light railway
@@ANDREWLEONARDSMITH It is technically a light railway
@@ANDREWLEONARDSMITH The RAIB is just an investigatory body that establishes best practice and learnings, has nothing to do with how the police classify an incident.
Hope everyone is okay after the collision incident
4 people were injured (including the bus driver) I am not sure about the tram driver. Hopefully those 4 people make a speedy recovery!
Whilst being towed, the bus's nearside front wheel was at a hard left angle, yet still turning.
Oh God! Really hopefully no one was hurt! 😢
oh no, i hope everyone is okay including the injured once and i hope they can recover, and best wishes to the driver(s)
The latest official news was 4 people were injured including the bus driver who suffered "serious but not life threatening injuries"
Prayers to the injured
True
Ive seen that aswell it was proper mad and crazy
Hope everyone is ok.
That must have been some serious combined speed.
Oops. 2 weeks ago a Range rover drove in front of a Tram on Ashton New Rd and was totaled. Hope both drivers are okay on this one.
I actually rode this tram(3053) loads of times from Piccadilly-Eccles after seeing this, it tells me if the driver is ok lets see!
it can't be that magic of a bus
Usually the trams and buses are going so slow in this area, thjey have plenty of time to avoid an accident, I hope nobody was seriously injured. Both vehicles should be repairable,, but given the age of the bus (11 years old), it's destined for the scrapheap as doing so won't be economically viable.
I get the impression nowadays that it doesn't take much to write off a bus, unless it's only a few years old.
I doubt that the tram will get fixed it’s got bad frame damaged where the coupler is and the window frame and all the glass etc
Think the bus and that end cab in that tran will both be scrapped
Must be nerve racking driving a tram that can't swerve etc out of the way when a driver can see an impending collision or pedestrian stepping out etc
Surely the bus hit the tram not the other way around ?
I have changed the thumbnail from "Tram Crash into Bus" to "Tram & Bus Crash", sorry if there was any confusion.
That must have been pain
the vehicles involved look really badly damaged! hopefully everybody involved was ok
(on a side note though, that tram is most definitely not going to bury anymore...)
Not for a long time!
I think the tram will be salvageable but I'm not to sure about the bus.
@@glitchFan2428Will be back out quicker than you think. Most of the damage is fibreglass and glass. Apart from the cab window pillar, nothing looks structural.
@@andyburbidge4938the frame where the coupler is is damaged 😢so does have frame damage 😢
Anyone else notice the destination blind on the Tram at the start of the video?
Bury is the destination, well it was .. the whole line is called the Bury line I believe and it connects to the Altrincham line at some point
@@glitchFan2428 I was trying to subtly point out the irony...as the tram had end up Buryied in the bus!
@@tom201090 fair enough, half of my usual audience are not local to the UK so I had made an incorrect assumption. My apologies!
@@glitchFan2428 Thanks...but no need to apologise!
Hope the drivers are both ok
Where was the tram heading to
Hope the driver is ok xx
If l didn't run for the tram at old trafford I would of been on that. Mine just got to market street a few minutes before 😮
@@darrenlh22 I had a similar experience once but the opposite, where a bus I had just missed got rear ended a few minutes later. Had I been on board I would almost certainly have been sat at the back as usual. That was a lucky escape...
This could not have been 2:13 pm. I'm pretty sure it should be 2:33 pm.
At 2:13 pm, the bus was between the Dagenham Road (Rusholme) and St Mary's (Manchester Royal Infirmary), where it continued on route, as normal until it reached Piccadilly Gardens at 2:33 pm (5 minutes late as it should have arrived at 2:28 pm), ready to start it's return journey at 2:34 pm, back to Parrs Wood (East Didsbury), scheduled to arrive at 3:17 pm.
I obtained the timing off a statement from North West Ambulance service who said they received a 999 call at 2.13pm. Perhaps that might have been an error on their end?
2:33pm sounds right to me. I was on the tram and according to my Google Maps timeline I'd boarded it in Sale at 2:13pm, then was walking the rest of the way to Victoria at 2:38pm. The police were there within 5 minutes and were helping people off the tram pretty soon after.
It's a wonder Veitch wasn't there making things worse.
You can't breach the Veitch
Stagecoach's bus insurance premiums must be colossal by now.
Hope the bus driver makes a full recovery. Thankfully this was a old diesel bus and not a brand new Bee bus.
Up to a certain amount (£1 million Possibly), most larger bus companies won't claim, as they are "Self Insured"
@@andyburbidge4938 how does that work?
@@andyburbidge4938i think they have to do some "Everything except the battery" deal with this kind of thing.
That's the one component that makes it so costly.
They self insure.
Just curious, since we don’t have trams in SG, how do accidents involving a tram and a car/bus on the road clear up?
They usually use another tram to tow the wrecked one or sometimes a special tow tram and the bus just gets towed away normally
Then they just clear debris
With a brush and a shovel
Accident waiting to happen in a busy city where the public walk around with their heads in the air
how did the tram get driven back like that - it is sooo damaged
Probably just cosmetic damage? I'm not sure but I'm assuming it was assessed at the scene to be safe to drive back to the depot
They would have inspected it and made it safe prior to it being driven back to the depot. Otherwise they may have got another tram to tow it back. First impressions were the crumple zone at the front of the tram worked.
@@glitchFan2428 ok 😍
@@tom201090 cool! :-)
R.I.P enviro 400 hybrid & the tram
RIP 3053 😭😭
Maxson Goh, what do you reckon will happen to that E400H? Scrap or repair?
I'm not sure
Might go for scrap as front damages looks bad with all windows broken,back in London a E400MMCH got a tree fallen on to it and it has been sitting in the scrapyard.
Repair every time. A week.
Most vehicle now are designed to crumple at the front so maybe even a low speed collision can cause such damage.
The damage would mainly be from the coupler of the tram. That would have been roughly at dashboard height.
So i guess that Manchester is where they are filming THE TRAMBUSTERS , yeh yeh i know, but someone had to bring it to the table 😂
That tram is three years worth of Metrolink excuses for being late in one go!
I've never understood why the trams arn't in tunnel in the city centre as happens in a lot of european cities. Then they wouldn't have to trundle about at 15mph and risk these sorts of collisions.
Because building tunnels costs many billions of pounds.
@@extrude22 They found the money for london and newcastle.
@@neilrobertson811 True and the way we fund these projects in this country is ridiculous.
If Manchester was in Germany, France or Spain we would have an underground.
@@extrude22 On the bright side at least manchester has a tram. Poor old Leeds on the other hand , 800K population and relies on buses. Pathetic.
@neilrobertson811 Well, historical note: that was the original idea, in the 1970s, for the Picc-Vic rail tunnel.
Never built, so we got Metrolink in the very early 1990s.
Of interest, when the Irish remodelled Manchester city centre in June 1996, you could see the unfinished platforms for the unbuilt Arndale Centre station in the crater.
It is still down there, but don't expect it to ever see a train.
the one day im not in my home city this happens, i was in york.
i’m scared going back to this place now😢😂
Accidents are generally quite rare, ironically I'm typing this from near Piccadilly gardens now
Just think Lockerbie December 1988. You are never completely safe anywhere so don't worry about it.
All change !!!😮
The 2010 Coronation Street tram crash in a nutshell.
That one was way more dramatic though 🤔
Couldn’t have said it myself.
That was 2 days after I was there
It's bad it could have been a lot worse
Magic bus💀
Not anymore 😔
Prob think half of the driver was not working so the could not feel half of his body which that half wouldnt work so he tried to brake but the other half would not work too so both halfs are halved with half and crash into tram half (hope they recover)
It doesn't help when they seem to be making ENVIRO buses out of either Paper Mache or Wet leaves these days. As a former coach/bus driver, I know there's very little impact structure at the front to protect the driver, but COME ON, at least try a little. Fact remains, drivers are quicker to replace than the bus, and cheaper. Best wishes to the driver in making a full recovery. I bet Stagecoach was going to say the same, but couldn't help.... yada yada BUT HOW'S THE BUS!?!?
That's a first generation though. I think the later generations have thicker front a pillars for the upper deck and maybe it also supports the lower deck.
3053 was the first m5000 I went on seeing her in this condition really upsets me I hope she doesn’t get written off but I’m not to hopeful 😢
Only time will tell I guess
@@glitchFan2428I would love it if she gets put back into service but I reckon she will get parted out as all the frame damage at the coupler and to the window frame ahh idk 😢
not impressed with ms500 s ..look at flexitys in Blackpool...proper 😊😊
@ I know there not every one’s favourite but they are mine and that’s what matters to me and yes I do like the Blackpool ones
that bus driver was selfish
? what purpose would they do that for to be selfish
@DulstarPlanez Driving into a tram and reckless Driving by putting the passengers at risk. Then, stagecoach for applying these kind of drivers aswell
@@obamium8150 they were heaving a medical episode it's not their fault
Dick
yes, selfish guy
How come Manchester always so happening 😂
Singapore also leh, train derail all 😲
Wasnt magic after all 😂😂💀
Unfortunately
@@glitchFan2428 if only more members of the chat got the joke 😭
Omg
I think trams should have a indestructible shell/body so they dont get damaged as cars oftenly collide with trams
Poor bus…
Tram's traction motor sounds awful
Much prefer the old T68 trams
Why film it saddos
Things like this should not happen its lack of training
C S
Unfortunately the driver of the bus passed away in the earlier hours of yesterday morning from his injuries
That's very unfortunate.. I was unaware of that, as the last official news stated he suffered "serious but not life threatening injuries"
Are we definitely sure? Another commenter on my original hearted comment stated that he's now in a stable condition and okay.
@@kieranstravels that could be the tram driver
Bus driver hasn't passed away, don't know who told you that. Dad is very good friends with the driver. He ain't dead.
@@megachungus99 oh OK I was told by another bus spotter
This is why tram rails should not barge into busy roads. Hope everyone is safe and sound
What are you on about? The crash happened on a Tram only section.
This accident occurred because the bus was somewhere it should not have been.
The bus barged into the tramway, not the other way around. The entire city center is essentially segregated from road traffic in case you hadn't noticed.
POV a Singaporean bus driver driving a bus in manchester for the first time
lol but their drivers are pretty good