I love the river bet .. Its thin but right on the line and the logic is sound... imo .. I think it was a great job by Nate recognizing his opponent likely doesn't have diamonds...
I don’t think hero’s logic for the villain not having diamonds is sound at all. Lots of the diamonds are a combo draw on the turn that can consider a raise. The hero contradicts himself repeatedly on this point. Villain was clearly a huge fish though to call that river raise.
Yeah this seems like a trivial just call on the river. Only an imbecile is calling a river raise after a lead that brings in literally every draw besides backdoor naked flush draws with a worse hand. If the villain is a massive calling station, you could make a small raise to try to get a crying call from KQ or K9 or whatever, but anyone decent isn't paying that shit off.
If the villain had diamonds I think they would have picked a larger sizing on the river considering how much strength hero showed on flop and turn. To me the blocker sizing reads as weak
@haydenballard4894 if blocks are always weak, they shouldn't be using blocks. Leads are inherently polar in these games normally. The villain is just terrible at poker.
I could get behind Hero knowing his villains well enough to think that they would act faster with flush draws on BOTH the flop and the turn, when faced with a bet.. since it’s a home game. Now if caller used this logic against a random player at a casino, then I agree with you wholly.
@@haydenballard4894 I agree that the river bet doesn’t look like a flush, though I think given that we need a set of two-pair to call, the raise was a little bigger than I’d have gone. Hero seems to know his villain better so did extract more value than I would have.
This feels like 8x of diamonds or some low diamond draw as played. The passive check/call with the river bet feels like one of the most ‘I have a mid flush draw and hit’ betting patterns
I believe Nate has more diamonds in his range than the villain which makes not letting the diamonds scare you off the hand makes perfect sense.. To over bet like a bluff also makes perfect sense...
On the turn there seems to be some sort of miscommunication about bet sizing.. Caller is worried he bet too small. And then Bart thinks caller wanted to bet smaller.
Kq should always be raising turn on a double flush draw connected board to a smallish sizing. Only if we know villain is a completely passive fish I like this river raise or if there is a high level meta game dynamic at play.
Lots of assumptions in this one. He based his river decision on opponent not check raising a K high flop [which is ridiculous] and not calling quickly [which is even more ridiculous].
Is taking 15-20 seconds to call really a tank call on the turn? I don't think 15-20 seconds is a tank. It's a sign that he had a decision (or wants to make it seem like he has a decision), but it's not really a tank, is it?
This calls seems like an alley-oop and might be results oriented. Not unlikely we have best hand on river but raise - esp to this sizing - feels optimistic. Calling KQ here is insane
Villain played this hand very poorly.. villain could have check-raised the flop - as top pair wants to get value at these stack-depths, and to charge draws. That would’ve allowed V to win the hand.
I'm not a big fan of the river sizing unless we know that Villain is a whale. Most solid players are not calling the river with two pair and a set has to be raising the flop. Don't agree with the logic that a flush draw wouldn't take. Even if we assume that this player is not aware of timing tells, there are flush draw combos that could at least consider a raise. JTddm 65dd,54dd, 8xdd etc. The strongest evidence against diamonds is the river lead, as flushes would often check raise or bet larger. I just find it hard to imagine someone blocking and then calling off to 1500. Maybe if you make it 700 or 800. At 1500 I expect to lose more than 50% when called.
Am I delusional or is the average 2NL online regular better than hero/villain? 4Way multiway betting, then KQo leads frontdoor flush river, but worse, JTs value owns itself imo?. Really asking out of curiosity if this is a standard skill level one can expect or an exception?
Why doesn't Ax diamonds make sense? Is it because there's no reason to tank call the flop? I think villain should have bet pot on the river to get a fold. I also think Hero should have bet smaller OTF to get villain(s) to raise their K's. Why would 3rd blind play a weak K only to fold as Bart suggests at 5:28. Is he going to play a weak K, hit top pair, and fold? Seems weird - I'd berate myself. I wrote this stuff as I watched. Now that I've seen the whole thing, I don't understand the villain not raising OTF or OTT? I sort of understand the Flop because AK is in play. But what is he scared of OTT? He's got blockers to sets. I would have raised to 700.
Repping Cincinnati. Do you ever play at Spades, Ruggles, or Hard Rock? Would love to meet ya man,splash around some. Good stuff as always Bart.
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Why in the world didn't the villain make a huge bet on turn? You got top two pair, but there is a KQ 87 out there AND two flush draws. Draws all day long. You got to charge for that. Well worth it if hero folds. If hero calls, and the draws come in (in this case, 9 helps BOTH straight draws), AND the front-door flush comes in, give up dude. You lost.
Terrible thought process on the river. His logic is "but I am seldom called here". Yeah. True. But that is not the point. Otherwise you could likewise call. You are NOT more than 50% good when called here. KQ should never be in villains range. On such a drawy board, KQ is 100% a raise on the turn. Fish playing other fish.
I don't like going small and then huge to try to get a king to fold. Isn't that literally exactly what you're trying to get paid off by if you hit? Seems better to go big and then give up when you miss or go big when you hit (this is a horrendously awful combo to bluff with on a blank river - literally the stone cold worst).
you would be better off inventing scenario hands then publishing these boring ones, congrats on you're weight loss the past few years. Some sun would go a long way
You can study and watch all these videos but if you run bad You run bad !!! And it gets old, and I’m sorry but some people run worse then others and some people ALWAYS run bad and that would be me . I’m taking a break
That’s the variance of the game, but if you’re one of those people who thinks they always run bad and nothing will ever change then you’ll never be a profitable player.
It happens to the best of us even the pros. You think Ivey, Negreanu, Antonius etc never have run bad? If you’re going to do this as a profession (not a hobby) you gotta be committed to the game. Poker is a “bitch” and it isn’t for everyone…Keep studying and your head up.
That’s the game man. Yeah, take a break. Also maybe it’s not your game? If you can’t take swings you can’t take poker. Sorry to be blunt. I remember a friend I was teaching poker asking me “I lost 150 dollars, what am I doing wrong?” I replied “if losing 150 dollars bothers you, what you doing wrong is playing poker”. To my knowledge he’s not played since. I think it was for the best. Ultimately no matter how good you play, you’re gambling. PS it doesn’t matter how you have run to this point in YOUR ENTIRE LIFE. Every hand is random. If you don’t believe that you really should find another hobby. You’re not cursed. And nobody is blessed. Period. Really.
How would you have reacted to the river lead? In your opinion, was this "too thin"?
I love the river bet .. Its thin but right on the line and the logic is sound... imo ..
I think it was a great job by Nate recognizing his opponent likely doesn't have diamonds...
What a read, villain must be his brother😂😂
This is exactly how a high stakes pro constructs a line. Beautiful river sizing and thought process, 100% max value.
Thanks Bart for always putting our amazing content for us to watch! On break for work and can’t wait to watch.
I don’t think hero’s logic for the villain not having diamonds is sound at all. Lots of the diamonds are a combo draw on the turn that can consider a raise. The hero contradicts himself repeatedly on this point. Villain was clearly a huge fish though to call that river raise.
Yeah this seems like a trivial just call on the river. Only an imbecile is calling a river raise after a lead that brings in literally every draw besides backdoor naked flush draws with a worse hand. If the villain is a massive calling station, you could make a small raise to try to get a crying call from KQ or K9 or whatever, but anyone decent isn't paying that shit off.
If the villain had diamonds I think they would have picked a larger sizing on the river considering how much strength hero showed on flop and turn. To me the blocker sizing reads as weak
@haydenballard4894 if blocks are always weak, they shouldn't be using blocks. Leads are inherently polar in these games normally. The villain is just terrible at poker.
I could get behind Hero knowing his villains well enough to think that they would act faster with flush draws on BOTH the flop and the turn, when faced with a bet.. since it’s a home game.
Now if caller used this logic against a random player at a casino, then I agree with you wholly.
@@haydenballard4894 I agree that the river bet doesn’t look like a flush, though I think given that we need a set of two-pair to call, the raise was a little bigger than I’d have gone. Hero seems to know his villain better so did extract more value than I would have.
Nate's an assassin. respect!
This feels like 8x of diamonds or some low diamond draw as played. The passive check/call with the river bet feels like one of the most ‘I have a mid flush draw and hit’ betting patterns
I believe Nate has more diamonds in his range than the villain which makes not letting the diamonds scare you off the hand makes perfect sense.. To over bet like a bluff also makes perfect sense...
on the turn 15-20 seconds is a tank call? lolz
On the turn there seems to be some sort of miscommunication about bet sizing.. Caller is worried he bet too small. And then Bart thinks caller wanted to bet smaller.
Kq should always be raising turn on a double flush draw connected board to a smallish sizing. Only if we know villain is a completely passive fish I like this river raise or if there is a high level meta game dynamic at play.
Lots of assumptions in this one. He based his river decision on opponent not check raising a K high flop [which is ridiculous] and not calling quickly [which is even more ridiculous].
I was called on nearly an identical line except I bricked my combo draw. I had 910spades equivalent. Called by 2nd pair rivered 2 pair.
Good River Bet Nate!!!
F those diamonds.. he has 10x plus other hands besides diamonds...
hes lucky 2 pair called,,,,, normally only a flush calls that river raise
k q what are you beating to call.? most would think to R the $300 bet to $900 its one of best card kq could get.
Gets me to not buy modules. Tks for the last two calls Nasty Nate!
Is taking 15-20 seconds to call really a tank call on the turn? I don't think 15-20 seconds is a tank. It's a sign that he had a decision (or wants to make it seem like he has a decision), but it's not really a tank, is it?
Is this the Nate that won the TCH New Year's Resolution tournament?
This calls seems like an alley-oop and might be results oriented. Not unlikely we have best hand on river but raise - esp to this sizing - feels optimistic. Calling KQ here is insane
Villain played this hand very poorly.. villain could have check-raised the flop - as top pair wants to get value at these stack-depths, and to charge draws.
That would’ve allowed V to win the hand.
I'm not a big fan of the river sizing unless we know that Villain is a whale. Most solid players are not calling the river with two pair and a set has to be raising the flop. Don't agree with the logic that a flush draw wouldn't take. Even if we assume that this player is not aware of timing tells, there are flush draw combos that could at least consider a raise. JTddm 65dd,54dd, 8xdd etc. The strongest evidence against diamonds is the river lead, as flushes would often check raise or bet larger. I just find it hard to imagine someone blocking and then calling off to 1500. Maybe if you make it 700 or 800. At 1500 I expect to lose more than 50% when called.
Am I delusional or is the average 2NL online regular better than hero/villain? 4Way multiway betting, then KQo leads frontdoor flush river, but worse, JTs value owns itself imo?. Really asking out of curiosity if this is a standard skill level one can expect or an exception?
Villain tank calling flop and turn kinda lets me think he is in hero call mode
Crazy hand man high level shit but villian played horrible. If he raises on the turn AK is never folding, is he scared of 88 and 77?
I agree, they should’ve raised turn for sure, denying equity to combo draws, and still most likely getting calls from AK or flopped two pairs like K8s
I think Villain could have even check-raised the flop. You’re supposed to with top-pair sometimes. It would’ve ended the hand right there.
Why doesn't Ax diamonds make sense? Is it because there's no reason to tank call the flop? I think villain should have bet pot on the river to get a fold.
I also think Hero should have bet smaller OTF to get villain(s) to raise their K's. Why would 3rd blind play a weak K only to fold as Bart suggests at 5:28. Is he going to play a weak K, hit top pair, and fold? Seems weird - I'd berate myself.
I wrote this stuff as I watched. Now that I've seen the whole thing, I don't understand the villain not raising OTF or OTT? I sort of understand the Flop because AK is in play. But what is he scared of OTT? He's got blockers to sets. I would have raised to 700.
Repping Cincinnati. Do you ever play at Spades, Ruggles, or Hard Rock? Would love to meet ya man,splash around some. Good stuff as always Bart.
Why in the world didn't the villain make a huge bet on turn? You got top two pair, but there is a KQ 87 out there AND two flush draws. Draws all day long. You got to charge for that. Well worth it if hero folds. If hero calls, and the draws come in (in this case, 9 helps BOTH straight draws), AND the front-door flush comes in, give up dude. You lost.
You could say that he crushed live poker.
don't understand how villain didn't raise hero on the turn
Terrible thought process on the river. His logic is "but I am seldom called here". Yeah. True. But that is not the point. Otherwise you could likewise call. You are NOT more than 50% good when called here. KQ should never be in villains range. On such a drawy board, KQ is 100% a raise on the turn. Fish playing other fish.
I love calls like this, don’t tap the glass…
What a whiny brat.
Caller described the villain as “tanking” when taking 15-20 seconds for his decision…. If that’s the case, then I tank a heck of a lot post-flop!!!
In reality…. I’m simply trying to not give away timing tells!!
Everyone hates the guy in live poker who takes 20 seconds for every decision. Just stop.
I don't like going small and then huge to try to get a king to fold. Isn't that literally exactly what you're trying to get paid off by if you hit? Seems better to go big and then give up when you miss or go big when you hit (this is a horrendously awful combo to bluff with on a blank river - literally the stone cold worst).
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you would be better off inventing scenario hands then publishing these boring ones, congrats on you're weight loss the past few years. Some sun would go a long way
You can study and watch all these videos but if you run bad You run bad !!! And it gets old, and I’m sorry but some people run worse then others and some people ALWAYS run bad and that would be me . I’m taking a break
Idk studying has helped me increase my win-rate. I think it depends on the person, what information you take in, and how you apply it.
That’s the variance of the game, but if you’re one of those people who thinks they always run bad and nothing will ever change then you’ll never be a profitable player.
It happens to the best of us even the pros. You think Ivey, Negreanu, Antonius etc never have run bad? If you’re going to do this as a profession (not a hobby) you gotta be committed to the game. Poker is a “bitch” and it isn’t for everyone…Keep studying and your head up.
That’s the game man. Yeah, take a break. Also maybe it’s not your game? If you can’t take swings you can’t take poker. Sorry to be blunt.
I remember a friend I was teaching poker asking me “I lost 150 dollars, what am I doing wrong?”
I replied “if losing 150 dollars bothers you, what you doing wrong is playing poker”.
To my knowledge he’s not played since. I think it was for the best.
Ultimately no matter how good you play, you’re gambling.
PS it doesn’t matter how you have run to this point in YOUR ENTIRE LIFE. Every hand is random. If you don’t believe that you really should find another hobby. You’re not cursed. And nobody is blessed. Period. Really.
Wtf is this hand?