I will second the comment about being worried there would be no more content of SC1 vs SC2. I watch every one of your videos but these have brought some life into me. I do not care if its exactly balanced, I just love it
For anyone wondering, HonMono is the best Japanese SC2 player. He's been around for a long time, but never broke through into the pro scene. I'm a huge fan, and I can't wait to see how this turns out. Rogue is the clear favorite, but since Rogue is playing BW zerg, I'm betting on our Terran hero. GLHF!
This mod is really popular in Korea even though it is a bit quiet from western casters except Tasteless. This tournament in korea was viewed by over 7,000 people live and I was there! It was the most popular streaming channel at the time of streaming on that navar website!
BW cracklings are on a different level of deadliness. They rip through everything so fast XD The BW Ultras on the other hand look much scarier but are not very good. Also, BW Marines sound so much better ngl. Their gun shots sound much more metallic than sc2 Marines and their stim sounds are amazing. Overall, I find that the unit designs and audio in BW are much better than sc2 ones.
I agree with nearly all of the sounds, but i feel like SC2 improved the design of many units, ESPECIALLY Siege Tanks. God they looked awful in BW, even though they sounded so cool! Other units ended up looking worse (like Carriers). Overall I give both games a tie on unit design.
Ghosts are soooo broken in SC2 it’s easily the hard counter to defilers. I mean I suppose you can try to out range the snipe and go lurker hydra ling with lots of plague and dark swarms. Rogues defiler play was pathetic sadly so I’m not sure the Terran needed the ghosts what he needed was a counter to the mutas maybe libs maybe Vikings? If they try to dive on either target some widow mines.
31:17 I recorded the audio on location for Steph Curry's interview in Underrated and worked with both of his parents. His mom is really nice. I did a double take when you said his name. The look on your face during "yes it's a real player name" was priceless haha
Yeah he kept forgetting to build Scarabs. Clearly it is not an Autocast feature, or he'd have simply enabled it. They likely left it like that to give the BW Protoss more to do, as they rely less on casters and ability micro than the SC2 Protoss.
@@ZC.Andrew The scarabs were built automatically with autocast feature but they changed it to manual just in the previous patch! But they allowed it so that you can still build scarabs while reaver is in the shuttle.
My lord Winter, filler game as PvP is like having a lovely Beef Wellington with a glass of wine and then deciding to lick the carpet to finish the evening.
I just watched Dark vs. TY last night and wondered why there hadn't been more SC1 vs. SC2 casts. Glad to see this pop up the next day! I know nothing about Brood War... maybe you could do a video explaining the basics of the SC1 units for people like me? I'm sure that already exists ad nauseum other places but I don't watch other SC2 content because - well, Winter.
Terran Marine: basically the same but less HP, better Stim. Medic: What makes BW bio so powerful, very early healing Firebat: Bio Hell at, but has Stim Ghost: Glass unit that's only good for Nukes or Lockdown, which stuns any mechanical unit for 30 seconds. Vulture: Similar in role to Hellion, but single target. their Thing is dropping 3 mines per unit, which targets grounded enemies, detects cloaked Siege Tank: Basically the same but lower supply, slightly cheaper, lower RoF Goliath: Anti air specialist but can also shoot ground units. Wraith: Fragile harass, can cloak. Does more AA damage than AG damage. Valkyrie: Anti "fighter" type splash Battle cruiser: Yamato, but a much slower unit. science vessel: caster and detector, irradiate (250 dmg to biological units DoT AoE), EMP (removes all shield and energy in AoE), D Matrix (gives unit 200 hp shield) Dropship: slowish transport
Protoss Zealot: More HP, can't charge Dragoon: Stalker, bet more HP, slightly more damage and range, worse mobility. HT: Storm, can merge into Archon. DT: Invisible, turns into Dark Archon Archon: Basically the same but Armored instead of Unarmored, makes it worse against Marauders, etc Dark Archon: Mind control, Maelstrom (stuns biological units for like 9 seconds), Feedback Reaver: Disruptor, slower but much higher RoF. Shuttle: Transport Observer: it observes Scout: AA generalist flying unit that costs too much, AG is very bad. Corsair: Anti "fighter" splash unit Arbiter: Cloaks, Recall, Stasis Carrier: About the same
Zerg Zergling: basically the same but higher dps Hydralisk: Hatch tech, but more fragile and less damage. Their thing is being 1 supply and cheap. Mutalisk: same but no super Regen, doesn't work very well, transforms into Guardian or Devourer Scourge: single target suicide anti air. Very cheap. Queen: flying castor, Ensnare (slow), Parasite (perma vision around unit), infest command center to make infested Terrans that blow up (buggy) Guardian: worse Brood Lord Devourer: debuffs armor of air units, slow, bad dps Defiler: best caster in the game. Consume (eats unit for energy), Plague (300 damage or until 1 HP), Dark Swarm (all single target ranged ground attacks miss, only splash and spells work) Overlord: combined supply, transport (with upgrade), and detector (all the time)
This mod is really popular in Korea even though it is a bit quiet from western casters except Tasteless. This tournament in korea was viewed by over 7,000 people live and I was there! It was the most popular streaming channel at the time of streaming on that navar website!
Cracklings, Reavers, Arbiters, and Science Vessels are the most annoying SC1 units to deal with Also, I wonder if Dark Archon mind controlling an SC2 probe would allow for SC2 Units...?
With the SC2 casting, Ghosts with lockdown will be as well. If Interference matrix was considered powerful, lockdown will be broken considering how cheap SC1 ghosts are.
@@cataliniancu5318 They are definitely more deadly, but they are also way more fragile. They cost quite a bit of gas for how much HP they have, which can easily be reduced to 0 from any kind of splash damage. They're also not particularly fast either.
The broodwar factions always seem to need air and detection to deal with all the sc2 units that have extra abilities. Widow mines Oracles Disruptors ... They all need a hard counter.
Man I really want to see a redesigned OG and BW campaigns. I know there already was a project that did that, but it would be nice to have a full redesign of missions and units.
Playing with thumbnails? This is about the 6th iteration I've seen (was busy) Should know they will never accurately portray the differences in click rate -Sidenote, had been going back and watching some of the most popular videos from years ago, I thought so back then and still do now the old overlay was soooo much nicerrr - in some ways the webcam spot too
It's not supposed to be exactly the same, it would be very unfair. Smart casting, no selection limit, select multiple buildings, there are many control improvements. Without those, SC1 races would just get crushed.
@@CommentsHaveBeenDisabled They try to make this a game mode with actual longevity. It got traction in Korea too. There is no point to let it die after some giggles.
@cataliniancu5318 Oh, wow. Thanks for correcting my comment, which was completely serious and not obviously a silly observation. You must be fun at parties. FFS
@@CommentsHaveBeenDisabled Do you expect others to read your mind? Which part of it was supposed to be a "joke", when you yourself admitted that it would be "fun" to watch?
I'm so glad you noticed the cow. I gave it a custom texture to make it a holstein btw, default sc2 cows are brown.
Love the attention to detail!
Yes! I was worried we weren't going to see any more SC EVO anymore so I'm glad to see this!
Yeah it seemed real popular on the youtubes for a hot minute.
@@black_squall it just seemed to disappear for a month lol
There is a Korean channel that posts regularly with high level games
I will second the comment about being worried there would be no more content of SC1 vs SC2. I watch every one of your videos but these have brought some life into me. I do not care if its exactly balanced, I just love it
For anyone wondering, HonMono is the best Japanese SC2 player. He's been around for a long time, but never broke through into the pro scene. I'm a huge fan, and I can't wait to see how this turns out. Rogue is the clear favorite, but since Rogue is playing BW zerg, I'm betting on our Terran hero. GLHF!
As far as I know, honmono is a Korean player living in Japan.
This mod is really popular in Korea even though it is a bit quiet from western casters except Tasteless. This tournament in korea was viewed by over 7,000 people live and I was there! It was the most popular streaming channel at the time of streaming on that navar website!
BW cracklings are on a different level of deadliness. They rip through everything so fast XD The BW Ultras on the other hand look much scarier but are not very good. Also, BW Marines sound so much better ngl. Their gun shots sound much more metallic than sc2 Marines and their stim sounds are amazing. Overall, I find that the unit designs and audio in BW are much better than sc2 ones.
Don't forget about the sound of BW missile turrets!
I agree with nearly all of the sounds, but i feel like SC2 improved the design of many units, ESPECIALLY Siege Tanks. God they looked awful in BW, even though they sounded so cool! Other units ended up looking worse (like Carriers). Overall I give both games a tie on unit design.
Yes, more SC Evo! Absolutely love watching these games
Also, I wish PvP looked more like that in SC2...
YES! I've been looking forward to this tournament, and hopefully more that come after! Thank you Kiwian and Winter!
Actually Winter, Hellbats do only splash damage, so they are a good counter to Dark Swarm.
But really, I missed the Ghosts in that first game.
Ghosts are soooo broken in SC2 it’s easily the hard counter to defilers. I mean I suppose you can try to out range the snipe and go lurker hydra ling with lots of plague and dark swarms.
Rogues defiler play was pathetic sadly so I’m not sure the Terran needed the ghosts what he needed was a counter to the mutas maybe libs maybe Vikings? If they try to dive on either target some widow mines.
widow mines would also be good
Whoa, SC Evo today?!? Jimmy, this is gonna make my day a lotta bit better.
0:30 You forgot about the most important ingredient: Salt!
23:46 Double Academy
31:17 I recorded the audio on location for Steph Curry's interview in Underrated and worked with both of his parents. His mom is really nice. I did a double take when you said his name. The look on your face during "yes it's a real player name" was priceless haha
I find myself wanting to watch Evo more than normal SC 2 lately.
DAMN IT I HAD 16 seconds but my wife wanted something LESS important
😂😂
… I don’t get it
Tell her to wait! You have important stuff to watch!
Ok this PvP was sick. A true bloodbath !
U-238 shells upgrade gives marines shells made from uranium-238 or depleted uranium.
Was waiting patiently for more sc evo. Thanks for delivering! Great mod, let's keep it going.
SC EVO is actually so cool lol. I'm waiting for someone with perfect reaver micro though. SC2 will learn to fear the slug!
Believe me, SC2 is already TERRIFIED of it!
Legit useful to rush to caster tech to ensure decent counterplay, like vipers, ravens, etc
Yeah he kept forgetting to build Scarabs. Clearly it is not an Autocast feature, or he'd have simply enabled it. They likely left it like that to give the BW Protoss more to do, as they rely less on casters and ability micro than the SC2 Protoss.
@@ZC.Andrew The scarabs were built automatically with autocast feature but they changed it to manual just in the previous patch! But they allowed it so that you can still build scarabs while reaver is in the shuttle.
@@markpayton3895 In the shuttle? Damn that's pretty cool. That rewards good reaver/shuttle micro without being "too easy." I love it.
i love this idea, cant wait to see this match, and i gotta go back and see some of my protoss!
Woohoo! Love to see more of this! The only thing better than well commentated SC2 games is well commentated SC2+1 games!
Still figuring out what the numbers are in the player cards 😅
Hearthstone reference.
Attack number with sword and yellow circle. HP number with red drop. An easy example is Die Mauer - The Wall with only 2 attack but having 6 HP
My lord Winter, filler game as PvP is like having a lovely Beef Wellington with a glass of wine and then deciding to lick the carpet to finish the evening.
Winter uploads more videos than anyone else. It seriously makes almost every day just a little bit better. 😊
17:25 widow mine technically does spell damage
Huh, I thought this was a clickbait title, referring to the strategy the zerg uses but this was so much better.
I'm STILL waiting for one of these pro players to realize that 1 dropship and 4 firebats with stim can destroy a mineral line in 4 seconds
I just watched Dark vs. TY last night and wondered why there hadn't been more SC1 vs. SC2 casts. Glad to see this pop up the next day! I know nothing about Brood War... maybe you could do a video explaining the basics of the SC1 units for people like me? I'm sure that already exists ad nauseum other places but I don't watch other SC2 content because - well, Winter.
Terran
Marine: basically the same but less HP, better Stim.
Medic: What makes BW bio so powerful, very early healing
Firebat: Bio Hell at, but has Stim
Ghost: Glass unit that's only good for Nukes or Lockdown, which stuns any mechanical unit for 30 seconds.
Vulture: Similar in role to Hellion, but single target. their Thing is dropping 3 mines per unit, which targets grounded enemies, detects cloaked
Siege Tank: Basically the same but lower supply, slightly cheaper, lower RoF
Goliath: Anti air specialist but can also shoot ground units.
Wraith: Fragile harass, can cloak. Does more AA damage than AG damage.
Valkyrie: Anti "fighter" type splash
Battle cruiser: Yamato, but a much slower unit.
science vessel: caster and detector, irradiate (250 dmg to biological units DoT AoE), EMP (removes all shield and energy in AoE), D Matrix (gives unit 200 hp shield)
Dropship: slowish transport
Protoss
Zealot: More HP, can't charge
Dragoon: Stalker, bet more HP, slightly more damage and range, worse mobility.
HT: Storm, can merge into Archon.
DT: Invisible, turns into Dark Archon
Archon: Basically the same but Armored instead of Unarmored, makes it worse against Marauders, etc
Dark Archon: Mind control, Maelstrom (stuns biological units for like 9 seconds), Feedback
Reaver: Disruptor, slower but much higher RoF.
Shuttle: Transport
Observer: it observes
Scout: AA generalist flying unit that costs too much, AG is very bad.
Corsair: Anti "fighter" splash unit
Arbiter: Cloaks, Recall, Stasis
Carrier: About the same
Zerg
Zergling: basically the same but higher dps
Hydralisk: Hatch tech, but more fragile and less damage. Their thing is being 1 supply and cheap.
Mutalisk: same but no super Regen, doesn't work very well, transforms into Guardian or Devourer
Scourge: single target suicide anti air. Very cheap.
Queen: flying castor, Ensnare (slow), Parasite (perma vision around unit), infest command center to make infested Terrans that blow up (buggy)
Guardian: worse Brood Lord
Devourer: debuffs armor of air units, slow, bad dps
Defiler: best caster in the game. Consume (eats unit for energy), Plague (300 damage or until 1 HP), Dark Swarm (all single target ranged ground attacks miss, only splash and spells work)
Overlord: combined supply, transport (with upgrade), and detector (all the time)
@@Appletank8 Thanks for the summary!
This mod is really popular in Korea even though it is a bit quiet from western casters except Tasteless. This tournament in korea was viewed by over 7,000 people live and I was there! It was the most popular streaming channel at the time of streaming on that navar website!
17:26 totally thought it was channeling dark swarm
16:25 Very nice timing with the music.
Winter… Need more of these evo vids. Thank you!
The PvP matchup looks sick in this mod
Yaaaay more EVO :D
Finally some more EVO, yeah! 👍👍
More of it please!
Widow mine attack is an ability and therefore gets not blocked by dark swarm
Finally some EVO again!
You better cast ALL those games from the tournament!
FYI, a recent balance patch has disabled Reaver Scarab autobuild.
That last game was incredible!
Cracklings, Reavers, Arbiters, and Science Vessels are the most annoying SC1 units to deal with
Also, I wonder if Dark Archon mind controlling an SC2 probe would allow for SC2 Units...?
My guess is yes.
Technically yes but of much lesser impact because SC2 doesn't support an extra 200 supply per mind control.
With the SC2 casting, Ghosts with lockdown will be as well. If Interference matrix was considered powerful, lockdown will be broken considering how cheap SC1 ghosts are.
@@cataliniancu5318 You're right. I forget SC2 doesn't have Restore
@@cataliniancu5318 They are definitely more deadly, but they are also way more fragile. They cost quite a bit of gas for how much HP they have, which can easily be reduced to 0 from any kind of splash damage. They're also not particularly fast either.
The broodwar factions always seem to need air and detection to deal with all the sc2 units that have extra abilities.
Widow mines
Oracles
Disruptors
...
They all need a hard counter.
God I love the sound of the bw marine guns
Watched for Starcraft Evolution, Liked for Jimmy, Susan, Brenda and Karen, Subscribed for Winter!
Man I really want to see a redesigned OG and BW campaigns. I know there already was a project that did that, but it would be nice to have a full redesign of missions and units.
like and suscribed, great video, great match and cast
these games are always fun to watch
Wow StephenCurry really hit hard times, get'em out
No mobile detection for Brood War Zerg (e.g. Overseers)?
More sc2 evo!
Idk why they changed the muta sound effect, SC2 is so inferior to SC1 😫
how to get race protoss like that ( red team CLASSIC )
I like SC1 Marine's firing sound a lot more than SC2's
28:16 Space Cow.
Why did he say a pig!!!? :D
that stream was fun to watch, I didn't understand korean but I know starcraft so I still enjoyed it.
More of this please
what is the posting times about?
Oh man, Brood War Mutas were just SO much better. Every time I see the difference in action, it blows me away.
Wouldn’t it be cool if Mutas were slightly better :( bio vs muta always interesting to watch
such fun mod
Can engine bay fly? In mod sc2
Defiler abode? Defiler hut?
More sc evo please!
Why in game 1 terran doesnt make workers??
Let's Go🎉🎉 Late But Here. Jimmy, so worth it
BW Zealots are as useful as SC2 ones are in my dreams
Let's go SC EVO !!
Is this mod anyth near balanced or is it hilariously one sided in some matchups
SC1 Zerg look WAY more terrifying than SC2 Zerg.
Playing with thumbnails? This is about the 6th iteration I've seen (was busy)
Should know they will never accurately portray the differences in click rate
-Sidenote, had been going back and watching some of the most popular videos from years ago, I thought so back then and still do now the old overlay was soooo much nicerrr - in some ways the webcam spot too
YES! YAASSSS! Finally you do more SC Evo matches, you motherfokka! 😀 Please cast more of those! (OR SHOULD I TALK TO JIMMY!? 😡)
Thank You
Om nom nom
This isn't accurate unless the SC1 units have the SC1 pathing
It's not supposed to be exactly the same, it would be very unfair. Smart casting, no selection limit, select multiple buildings, there are many control improvements. Without those, SC1 races would just get crushed.
@cataliniancu5318 Oh, I don't doubt that it would be unfair, but I think it would be fun to watch
@@CommentsHaveBeenDisabled They try to make this a game mode with actual longevity. It got traction in Korea too. There is no point to let it die after some giggles.
@cataliniancu5318 Oh, wow. Thanks for correcting my comment, which was completely serious and not obviously a silly observation. You must be fun at parties. FFS
@@CommentsHaveBeenDisabled Do you expect others to read your mind? Which part of it was supposed to be a "joke", when you yourself admitted that it would be "fun" to watch?
Still praying for a good cast of ZvZ in SC2 Evo. I need to see Brenda of new vs Brenda of old 🙏
There were some good mutas vs mutas in some of Soo's games in this tournament!
SC1 unit design is just superior in every way
Where's the BW music? :(
yessss more SC evo 🎉🎉
A zone of Danger :)
Lol! It is Hearthstone 😂😂😂
so...who was stephencurry?
Drak Swarm BLOCKS ranged damage, except for the splash damage.
40 seconds since upload
We here commenting - like and subscribe.
Doesn't seem fair Terran should win.
GG winter
2 minutes. Why are we posting times again?
More interesting than SC2.
PLAGUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
4 minutes. Why not 😂
jimmy bribed me with a free copy of starcraft 2 for this comment.
they have the medic women now?
Et tu ruptor!
Sc1 is better
Day 4 of asking for a Brenda T-Shirt: "Get off my CREEP!"
太棒了 喜欢
Lol defiler hovel :D
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