I don't know how FIG wants creativity and variety if A, B and C skills can't be named. I'd rather see new low level skills that anybody can use in their routines than a H on BB or I-J-K on FX that nobody will do for decades.
I really hate that elements caught in a mix grip are considered “1/2” I feel like they should take the figure skating approach where if the body is more and a quarter rotation away then it’s downgraded. Especially since not all skills have a higher grade of difficulty for a half turn
The Oliveira one should be at least G-rating. She added a half twist in a skill that already was difficult. Why isn't rated higher? Arabians double salto are trully beautiful to watch
I HATE that the arabian halfs (tucked and piked) have the same ratings as the ones without the half turn. No one is gonna take the risk of adding a half turn if there is not even a chance of it paying of thus these skills will barely ever be performed.
@@1itslaurahere1 I know, it still bothers me though because in my opinion these are really cool skills and I personally like to see them more often. The FIG often changes values of skills to encourage or discourage gymnasts to perform them and I think for this skill it is truly a missed oppurtunity to not give it a higher value.
@@lyssyr1711 but double arabian 1/2 out is basically the same as Qi Qi's half-in half-out. it's not actually much harder at all. The harder skills that are undervalued are the ones people actually need to take the risk to do ex. 3.5, front 2.5, front triple, dowell.
I agree about the Oliveira at least. Yes, the 1/2 does create an easier to spot landing, but with this skill particularly, the gymnast has to open the body into a basically stretched position to do the extra 1/2. She's doing an arabian dbl pike kick-out to a 1/2. You can stay tucked and do a 1/2 twist, but you have to open up significantly in a pike 1/2 which slows the rotation significantly. On top of that, it would just be smart for the FIG to grade them higher in difficulty if only to encourage a variety. The code often picks skills which may have long been considered a certain level of difficulty, to upgrade a letter in order to encourage the trends. The biggest example I can think of right now is the change in the beam pirouette requirement. They obviously have a jones for He Xuemei's back spin and the Homma flairs.
@N L Well you have to remember that there’s only a tiny selection since the Olympics just happened so many gymnasts retired. Can you give me a play by play? How was Leanne? She’s my favorite for this worlds.
@N L That's what happens when Simone steals the A team away to make $$$$ on tour instead lol. So many of them put off starting college not for Worlds, but for the tour
@N L this is also the first time since 1996 that there has been Olympics, tour, and worlds all in the same year due to the Olympics being postponed. There’s never been a scheduling conflict before as they don’t hold worlds in the same year as Olympics
@@crownjules how is she stealing them away when they CHOSE to go on the tour? No one was forced and after the stress of the Olympics, it doesn't shock me that a lot of them chose to go on tour instead. Not everyone just wants to go to another big competition right away and a lot of the top gymnasts are going to college too like suni so even if they didn't go on tour, we still wouldn't see them. The tour had already been planned way before the Olympics were here anyway. Also, it's not cool to assume that there aren't any other good gymnasts from the states left that can do good at worlds. Leanne was a bit rocky at trials but she still has potential. Kayla as well
@@ShelleeGraham Maybe we've just gotten to a level of laziness at the FiG where we can get an old skill entered in to the COP again if we just call it something different. I'm going to get the back layout double named for me. Me- Does a double full. FIG- Da fuq, dude? That's already a skill. Me- The arabian front layout with 1.5 twists is already in the COP? BOOM. The Oprescu-Hines is born.
It's a shame how FIG delayed the response to Nina, having zero consideration with the upcoming Games and her preparation as top elite athlete. Thanks god she got her olympic gold anyways.
i've been doing the free cw 1/2 dismount for years and i never knew it didn't carry a name!!! wish the fig would let B elements be named after at least
I think the issue was that some judges were downgrading the skill by not counting the half turn as being successfully performed. Nina was always catching it in the mixed grip, but some judges thought more rotation needed to happen before the catch while others accepted the rotation being completed through the catch. Basically, I think Nina was performing it the same way but getting different difficulty scores depending on the judge. She didn't want to be dealing with that uncertainty in the Olympics.
@@educatedinyellow8189 kinda agree with those judges. I’ve been saying for ages the way a lot of gymnasts performing the “half turn” just twist their arms, and landing in that position jerks their body around to face the other way. I do think there should be a rule somewhat they determines whether they’ve performed the half twist or not, perhaps that their body has to be at least a quarter of the way round before they regrasp the bar. Gets rid of the ugly jerky movements and actually makes the skill as hard as it’s valued at
@@oliviaevans5031 I read somewhere that landing in mixed L grip and doing the rotation of the body afterward actually makes it more difficult, as it’s physically harder on the body/shoulders to perform that rotation afterward. Regardless, definitely something FIG needs to sort out.
The Derwael 2 is the most impressive by far! There's hardly anybody but Nina Derwael capable of doing her skill, while the others could be done by numerous gymnasts
it's like a brawny not a front full there completely different to learn (as someone who's been using aerial round offs as my beam dismount for ~4 years)
Both sisters submitted skills at the Olympics but I don't think they were successfully performed. The FIG announced the new skills a week ago and they weren't included
@@gymnasticsmasterclass Lieke submitted the 5/1 Turn on Floor when she can barely completes the 4/1 Turn already ? The joke. Poor Marta Pihan-Kulesza...
With some skills, an actual half twist can make a big difference like in vault for example. The double yurchenko is extremely common and everyone just about does it but only the best vaulters will add the extra twist to make it an amanar. Same with the biles I vault. A regular Cheng is already difficult but adding an extra half twist to make it 2 makes the biles I one of the hardest vault along with the produnova
@@EgorSelivanov-vx2cj i know but this channel is more inclined to women gymnastics and the three new skills are all from women. It may create a new video presenting new men skills
She submitted her vault at the Olympics but did not perform it in actual competition (Quals, Team Final, All-Around Final & Event Finals), so it's not yet in the Code
While all are spectacular, is the danger really worth it? There will be coaches that are not really qualified to teach at that high of a level that will have gymnasts attempt these skills and cause serious injury.
2021 World Championships are still happening from October 18-24: new skills might be submitted.
Yay ty for the response
I hate that only C+ elements can be named! There are so many beautiful B skills.
Right
I don't know how FIG wants creativity and variety if A, B and C skills can't be named. I'd rather see new low level skills that anybody can use in their routines than a H on BB or I-J-K on FX that nobody will do for decades.
I really hate that elements caught in a mix grip are considered “1/2” I feel like they should take the figure skating approach where if the body is more and a quarter rotation away then it’s downgraded. Especially since not all skills have a higher grade of difficulty for a half turn
Agreed!!! This is such a pet peeve of mine
I think mixed grip should be prohibited altogether
I really like that aerial dismount! Too bad it won’t carry anyone’s name
So proud of our Brazilian girls!! 😍😍
my favorite is "Oliveira", but did you know that Daiane dos Santos did it in training in 2004?
There are many elements gymnasts have done in training, but they need to be performed in an international meet to be named after the gymnast
The Oliveira one should be at least G-rating. She added a half twist in a skill that already was difficult. Why isn't rated higher? Arabians double salto are trully beautiful to watch
I HATE that the arabian halfs (tucked and piked) have the same ratings as the ones without the half turn. No one is gonna take the risk of adding a half turn if there is not even a chance of it paying of thus these skills will barely ever be performed.
The half turns at the end take away the blind landing, that’s why they don’t have a higher value
@@1itslaurahere1 I know, it still bothers me though because in my opinion these are really cool skills and I personally like to see them more often. The FIG often changes values of skills to encourage or discourage gymnasts to perform them and I think for this skill it is truly a missed oppurtunity to not give it a higher value.
@@lyssyr1711 oh okay, In that sense I agree with you
@@lyssyr1711 but double arabian 1/2 out is basically the same as Qi Qi's half-in half-out. it's not actually much harder at all. The harder skills that are undervalued are the ones people actually need to take the risk to do ex. 3.5, front 2.5, front triple, dowell.
I agree about the Oliveira at least. Yes, the 1/2 does create an easier to spot landing, but with this skill particularly, the gymnast has to open the body into a basically stretched position to do the extra 1/2. She's doing an arabian dbl pike kick-out to a 1/2.
You can stay tucked and do a 1/2 twist, but you have to open up significantly in a pike 1/2 which slows the rotation significantly.
On top of that, it would just be smart for the FIG to grade them higher in difficulty if only to encourage a variety. The code often picks skills which may have long been considered a certain level of difficulty, to upgrade a letter in order to encourage the trends. The biggest example I can think of right now is the change in the beam pirouette requirement. They obviously have a jones for He Xuemei's back spin and the Homma flairs.
The Oliveira is my favorite of these.
Pouring one out for Simone’s YDP and Jade’s 3/2 lay out
I swear if neither of them get those named after themselves I'm going to be so sad.
@N L Well you have to remember that there’s only a tiny selection since the Olympics just happened so many gymnasts retired. Can you give me a play by play? How was Leanne? She’s my favorite for this worlds.
@N L That's what happens when Simone steals the A team away to make $$$$ on tour instead lol. So many of them put off starting college not for Worlds, but for the tour
@N L this is also the first time since 1996 that there has been Olympics, tour, and worlds all in the same year due to the Olympics being postponed. There’s never been a scheduling conflict before as they don’t hold worlds in the same year as Olympics
@@crownjules how is she stealing them away when they CHOSE to go on the tour? No one was forced and after the stress of the Olympics, it doesn't shock me that a lot of them chose to go on tour instead. Not everyone just wants to go to another big competition right away and a lot of the top gymnasts are going to college too like suni so even if they didn't go on tour, we still wouldn't see them. The tour had already been planned way before the Olympics were here anyway. Also, it's not cool to assume that there aren't any other good gymnasts from the states left that can do good at worlds. Leanne was a bit rocky at trials but she still has potential. Kayla as well
Go Brasil!
Brasil em inglês e com z
What a voice. Thanks for sharing
I love the derwael II , amazing and so fast ! ✨💖
I'm still waiting for someone to do a Gienger with a half-turn and get it named after them!
This is ridiculous. Cathy freaking Rigby(amongst others) was doing that beam dismount in the 60s and 70s. It's a barani 1/2 for the gods' sake.
Agreed that this dismount looks just like a Barani with a half twist.
@@ShelleeGraham Maybe we've just gotten to a level of laziness at the FiG where we can get an old skill entered in to the COP again if we just call it something different.
I'm going to get the back layout double named for me.
Me- Does a double full.
FIG- Da fuq, dude? That's already a skill.
Me- The arabian front layout with 1.5 twists is already in the COP?
BOOM. The Oprescu-Hines is born.
trying to work out how it really differs from the aerial walkover 1/1 (B) and a front layout 1/1 (C)
@@tasty_diva The front layout takes off from 2 feet. That's it.
Brazilians skills is my favorites.. of course (I'm brazilian)
Amazing New Skills of Gymnasts for 2021 World Artistic Gymnastics Champions.
My favorite new skill is the Oliveira.
Off course it is, you also are from Brazil lol...
@@tomasduarte6633 Yes, bro.
What's gonna be the value of The Soares in 2022-2024 CoP?
It's a shame how FIG delayed the response to Nina, having zero consideration with the upcoming Games and her preparation as top elite athlete. Thanks god she got her olympic gold anyways.
And for the mens ?
I love your narrative.
i've been doing the free cw 1/2 dismount for years and i never knew it didn't carry a name!!! wish the fig would let B elements be named after at least
what exactly did nina disagree with on the H rating? did she expect more? lmao.
I think the issue was that some judges were downgrading the skill by not counting the half turn as being successfully performed. Nina was always catching it in the mixed grip, but some judges thought more rotation needed to happen before the catch while others accepted the rotation being completed through the catch. Basically, I think Nina was performing it the same way but getting different difficulty scores depending on the judge. She didn't want to be dealing with that uncertainty in the Olympics.
@@educatedinyellow8189 kinda agree with those judges. I’ve been saying for ages the way a lot of gymnasts performing the “half turn” just twist their arms, and landing in that position jerks their body around to face the other way. I do think there should be a rule somewhat they determines whether they’ve performed the half twist or not, perhaps that their body has to be at least a quarter of the way round before they regrasp the bar. Gets rid of the ugly jerky movements and actually makes the skill as hard as it’s valued at
If she expected more she is too greedy
@@oliviaevans5031 I read somewhere that landing in mixed L grip and doing the rotation of the body afterward actually makes it more difficult, as it’s physically harder on the body/shoulders to perform that rotation afterward. Regardless, definitely something FIG needs to sort out.
So all 5 WAG elements that were submitted to the Tokyo games didn’t come to fruition in competition? 😱
Aerial 1/2 is not a new dismount! I competed this dismount 24 years ago in level 8, Aerial Full and 1 1/2 in level 9 and Aerial 2/1 in level 10.
I sense a free aerial cartwheel 1/2 turn + front tuck about to be done by someone. That would probably be a huge rating.
Have anyone do double tuck half out yet?
The Derwael 2 is the most impressive by far! There's hardly anybody but Nina Derwael capable of doing her skill, while the others could be done by numerous gymnasts
Sanne Weavers performed the correct way a harder variation. Nina's does not get the real hip posture, looks cheated.
*Nabieva catched in mixed grip lol
El mount de la chica de Brasil lo había visto en una gimnaste china o me equivoco?
Si, pero Julia lo hizo primero en una competición oficial
@@gymnasticsmasterclassgracias por la aclaración
Whoever is back in the room making the final decisions on these ratings are screwing over the gymnast. Ridiculous.
Isn't that first one basically a front full
It is, but from one leg take off, front full from two feet is a C
it's like a brawny not a front full there completely different to learn (as someone who's been using aerial round offs as my beam dismount for ~4 years)
Wevers?
Both sisters submitted skills at the Olympics but I don't think they were successfully performed. The FIG announced the new skills a week ago and they weren't included
@@gymnasticsmasterclass what is lieke wevers skill?
Lieke Wevers: 5/1 Turn (floor) & Triple Turn with Leg at 90º (floor)
Sanne Wevers: 2 1/2 Turn (beam)
@@gymnasticsmasterclass Oh yesss
@@gymnasticsmasterclass Lieke submitted the 5/1 Turn on Floor when she can barely completes the 4/1 Turn already ? The joke. Poor Marta Pihan-Kulesza...
Anything new for the dudes?
bye in literally learning the 1st one rn i'm not good at it😭
ru alive omg
@@liceous nah I hit my head on the box I was practicing on😭
Seems kind of cheap to not actually invent a new element, aside from a half twist, and then have it named after you.
She did invent the Derwael I
With some skills, an actual half twist can make a big difference like in vault for example. The double yurchenko is extremely common and everyone just about does it but only the best vaulters will add the extra twist to make it an amanar. Same with the biles I vault. A regular Cheng is already difficult but adding an extra half twist to make it 2 makes the biles I one of the hardest vault along with the produnova
Cant get over the nabieva 1/2....its just.. No
C + Elements is going to 2021 World Champions for name of skills.
Those mixed grips on bars always look so jerky and never smooth and elegant. That mount onto the beam has always been hideous.
Nagorny?
He is not a female... yet
@@objetivista686 that's clear but the name of the channel as well as the title of the video don't indicate that it's only about female gymnastics
@@EgorSelivanov-vx2cj i know but this channel is more inclined to women gymnastics and the three new skills are all from women. It may create a new video presenting new men skills
that's such a cool last name wth
@@objetivista686 lmao
Biles?
She submitted her vault at the Olympics but did not perform it in actual competition (Quals, Team Final, All-Around Final & Event Finals), so it's not yet in the Code
It's sad, other than the aerial dismount, they're all kind ugly skills. I understand their difficulty but i don't like them aesthetically, really.
The derwell II is barely a different skill! It is cheating on the half turn.
It should NEVER be rated higher than Nabieva.
Does the Soares have to be in handstand? She never hit a handstand in those 2 videos.
No. The Soares is a Candle mount with half turn.
@@ThierryMedVet yes it does, otherwise there is a deduction, it's almost like in bars
While all are spectacular, is the danger really worth it? There will be coaches that are not really qualified to teach at that high of a level that will have gymnasts attempt these skills and cause serious injury.