Typology's Ian Morgan Cron: Enneagram Type Four Personal Growth Journey | Enneagram 2.0 Podcast #39
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- In this episode, Beatrice and Uranio speak to their friend, colleague, and fellow Enneagram teacher, Ian Cron, an Enneagram Self-preservation 4. This interview does not only focus on what his experience is descriptively but what his growth journey has been. What is different? What does development look like? And what kind of inner work has helped ignite these shifts?
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Wonderful affirmation for stepping into growth! Thanks
Absolutely invaluable. Thank you three so much.
“I’ve always wanted to say clearly what others say vaguely” as a four. Thank you
Oh my fucking god I love that. I just hate when people talking bullshit so much. I just wish people could pour their hearts out and stop being scared to say how you really feel instead of just pretending to be nice.
What a Phenomenal conversation!!!
What a combination of wisdom,Storytelling and humongous sense of humor!
I laught so hard!!
It destiles value throug every pore!!
Thankyou!!!
Self Pres 4 here - and my Mum's favourite saying "Get over it!" or "Take a chill pill". :) Ha ha. I relate so much to your experience with your Mum. My Mum's nickname is 'Hard'. Nuff said!
Oh man...
This is like .. ironically (and painfully) painting a picture of my Ego-ic Life & daily battles.
This was brilliant. Too ! good.
Thank you very much.
I reckon it will be very well complemented with input on the wings and arrows of growth/resistance.
Cheers from Portugal
Being a self press 4 myself I would like to thank Beatrice (your books so so helpful) and Ian for your todays sharing, such an enormous inspiration.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Sehnsucht = inconsolable longing for the unnamable
Im a 4 but I always try to Run away from melancholy because of my 3 wing maybe
might be that you're not a 4
This particular podcast means more to me than I can express. I am a Self-Pres Type 4 (unquestionably!) and at the very end of the podcast I had that “aha” moment a
And flush of gratitude
For how far I’ve come and how much I’ve grown. Wow. Thanks for this.
Inconsolable longing for the unnamable The phrase “Inconsolable longing for the unnamable” in German can be translated as “Untröstliches Sehnen nach dem Unbenennbaren.”
Helpful perspectives, for 'types 4' or for those that simply feel that nagging fear of always being 'short' on something within themselves. Like it's their life's karma. It resonated when I heard that one is wholesome by being broken and beautiful at the same time. Seeing, accepting and appreciating it seems to be the uniqueness that my life is perhaps seeking (in the melancholy only). It's like a now the equation is complete. Thank you.
Taking a little poll… As an Enneagram 4, What is your Moon sign in astrology?? Feel free to add your wing and subtype also! :) Thank you 🙏🏽
Aries moon :)
Capricorn moon trine chiron (sp, 3w)
Leo Moon (and Sun) :)
Pieces
Aries, sp4, 4w3 earlier but today more 4w5
I like everything about Beatrice's book except for her "Child Heart" nonsense.
I agree with Naranjo that we go to both lines of connection equally. And he was misquoted about "disintegration" and "integration."
I am sure that Ian gets the connection that the critical super ego, is his MOTHER talking. It sure sounds like his Mom. That inconsolable longing for the un-nameable .... is nameable. He longs for an unconditional love from his Mom that he never experienced and when you have a "DEAD" mother you can only feel an emptiness, where something should have been. And yes, it is only felt and never named. I know it, well.
Amazing!!
I am not sure if I understood the point about shame interfering with the work… Defence for the ego… As in… I need to know who I am and the one who is me is the deficient one and if I start healing, shame will jump in and interfere with that because I wouldn’t recognise myself as e.g. whole? Because type 4 is always feeling like they’re missing sth? I think i just got it… did I?
I think he tritypes 147 called the "Visionary."
sp4's are very special since they need that identity but nothing fits them since they are the countertype of the 4 that needs identity
I identify so much with Ian's experience as a 4w3
How can anyone think there is no such thing as a Self Pres 4!!!?? I thought I was a 5 or had a wing in 4 or 5 but thanks to your work I now know I am a Self Pres 4. I also have a Scots mother who was so similar...to the Irish mother, and as her child one had to be 'close to death ' before she realised her child was actually sick. So I learnt to be really strong and override pain and not show suffering as a younger person. But I would often be crumbling inside. Now I have Stage 4 Cancer and my strength does help with ' life just goes on' and a lot of people think I am very resilient. I dont think I am though and when I feel very fragile and I am not coping it is very hard to admit that. So having compassion for myself gives me permission to admit I am not as strong as I was set up to be or thought I was...so its now ok to show my pain and suffering and fear.