I hate to tell you but the first guy's cam sucks. You can't see anything. He needs one like they use in Hollywood. They work a lot better. You don't see any smoke or anything. Trust me. I know. I saw Backdraft 3 times.... lmao
Stop this video between 9:16 and the end and see if anyone, besides myself, sees a person "looking" back at the viewer. Look for the eyes, nose, eyebrows, and forehead of a face staring back. Comment if you happen to see it also.
Roof or Vertical Venting Does Not Work as Imagined. It only risks lives, damages the roof and helps to burn it off. A house is Not a chimney and can't work like one. Too many "Dampers" like ceilings, floors, walls and doors! The real reason it doesn't work is that the fire that was smoldering in the attic has now been fueled with fresh air and has erupted into an inferno which creates an enormous amount of pressure in that confined space. The hole they cut cannot release all that pressure so you have now created a Cork in the top of Your chimney. Heat from below can't escape Through the tight ceiling to get into the attic and the pressure wouldn't allow it even if there Was a hole in the ceiling. "Find what is burning and put water on it! If you can't see it, find it and put water on it. If it gets hot along the way, cool the ceiling gasses with a spray of water. If the smoke is thick, open the upper sashes of the floor you are working on." Most importantly, THINK don't Follow what instructors Tell you.
Mike The best you could hope to find. What makes the difference is that I THINK instead of follow braindead training. I spent most of my life with fire and fireplaces and Know how they work. I also know the relationship between burning material and water. I know how to extinguish fires to make steam and I know how to just stop it in it's tracks. THAT, is something modern fire fighters Does Not Know or Care about.
Have you ever been in an unvented room with that steam you are so good at making? Not a fun time, while done incorrectly ventilation can be extremely dangerous, but with communication and coordination between the crew on the handling and the crew venting it is an extremely helpful and safe technique.
Dan Only a fool enters a burning room that doesn't have the Windows open. Hitting the room with water without the windows open from a hallway, will blow the smoke, heat and humidity back into your face as the air pressure you are creating with the water as no where else to go. Cutting a hole in the roof is Never coordinated with anything going on inside and you couldn't make a hole in the ceiling big enough to move any air. When the attic gasses ignite from the air movement within he attic, the pressure in the attic space increases more that the hole in the roof can handle. If you opened the ceiling from below while the attic was burning, the flames would come Down into the floor below to relieve some of the pressure. It would Never become a low pressure area to create a vertical draft from below. That theory was been Imagined and Not thought through by the fire colleges.
Good communication absolutely leads to coordination of roof and interior crews I don't know how your department and your mutual aid companies work on anything without proper communication, and yes there are times where you may not want to vent vertically, but heat and fire follow the path of least resistance, heat also rises, if you have the correct flow path heat and smoke absolutely do leave through a properly vented roof. On your comment on horizontal ventilation, yes it is helpful, and yes opening a handline inside a building that isn't vented dumps a lot of heat on top of you, however, if you put the fire out instead of hitting it hard from the yard, the heat tends to go away.
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This is probably a video to be saved for internal training purposes, maybe not so much for public consumption.
Shout out from the D
If anyone's wondering my dad is on the roof & his friend is the camera inside
I hate to tell you but the first guy's cam sucks. You can't see anything. He needs one like they use in Hollywood. They work a lot better. You don't see any smoke or anything. Trust me. I know. I saw Backdraft 3 times.... lmao
Stop this video between 9:16 and the end and see if anyone, besides myself, sees a person "looking" back at the viewer. Look for the eyes, nose, eyebrows, and forehead of a face staring back. Comment if you happen to see it also.
Dave Williams
Dave Williams
Dave Williams
Dave Williams I see it. freaky!
Dave Williams where?
Roof or Vertical Venting Does Not Work as Imagined. It only risks lives, damages the roof and helps to burn it off. A house is Not a chimney and can't work like one. Too many "Dampers" like ceilings, floors, walls and doors! The real reason it doesn't work is that the fire that was smoldering in the attic has now been fueled with fresh air and has erupted into an inferno which creates an enormous amount of pressure in that confined space. The hole they cut cannot release all that pressure so you have now created a Cork in the top of Your chimney. Heat from below can't escape Through the tight ceiling to get into the attic and the pressure wouldn't allow it even if there Was a hole in the ceiling. "Find what is burning and put water on it! If you can't see it, find it and put water on it. If it gets hot along the way, cool the ceiling gasses with a spray of water. If the smoke is thick, open the upper sashes of the floor you are working on." Most importantly, THINK don't Follow what instructors Tell you.
JB91710 are you a firefighter
Mike The best you could hope to find. What makes the difference is that I THINK instead of follow braindead training. I spent most of my life with fire and fireplaces and Know how they work. I also know the relationship between burning material and water. I know how to extinguish fires to make steam and I know how to just stop it in it's tracks. THAT, is something modern fire fighters Does Not Know or Care about.
Have you ever been in an unvented room with that steam you are so good at making? Not a fun time, while done incorrectly ventilation can be extremely dangerous, but with communication and coordination between the crew on the handling and the crew venting it is an extremely helpful and safe technique.
Dan Only a fool enters a burning room that doesn't have the Windows open. Hitting the room with water without the windows open from a hallway, will blow the smoke, heat and humidity back into your face as the air pressure you are creating with the water as no where else to go. Cutting a hole in the roof is Never coordinated with anything going on inside and you couldn't make a hole in the ceiling big enough to move any air. When the attic gasses ignite from the air movement within he attic, the pressure in the attic space increases more that the hole in the roof can handle. If you opened the ceiling from below while the attic was burning, the flames would come Down into the floor below to relieve some of the pressure. It would Never become a low pressure area to create a vertical draft from below. That theory was been Imagined and Not thought through by the fire colleges.
Good communication absolutely leads to coordination of roof and interior crews I don't know how your department and your mutual aid companies work on anything without proper communication, and yes there are times where you may not want to vent vertically, but heat and fire follow the path of least resistance, heat also rises, if you have the correct flow path heat and smoke absolutely do leave through a properly vented roof. On your comment on horizontal ventilation, yes it is helpful, and yes opening a handline inside a building that isn't vented dumps a lot of heat on top of you, however, if you put the fire out instead of hitting it hard from the yard, the heat tends to go away.
If anyone's wondering my dad is on the roof & his friend is the camera inside