"The whole story took place in about a week." Imagine the people who knew Giorno at his school being super confused at how the blonde weirdo who disappeared for a week suddenly became the godfather.
Sex Pistols Requiem: Mista shoots himself and instead of taking damage to that body part himself, whatever person he has in mind, no matter where they are on the planet in relation to his position, takes the actual hit to the respective body part.
Considering all the little fan stuff that David Productions has thrown in that wasn't in the manga, I wouldn't be surprised if they did that, and it would be fantastic. Take that idea one step further by the time part 7 rolls around.
Diavolo's diary day 300: today I died due to a rash of poisonous frogs falling from the sky. I'd say its my msot creatve death so far, second only to that time a vampire tore off half my face and drank my blood.
The one thing that is a bit less horrifying and kind of reassuring about Diavolo's infinite death is that Doppio got out of it, sure he felt alone and afraid while dying in the coliseum, but he got a peaceful death which feels fair since he was all that was good and pure of Diavolo.
Aside from everything Woolie said, Sleeping Slaves is about the gang's loyalty to each other being able to change fate. If Mista (like the rest of the gang) hadn't been so loyal to Bruno, he wouldn't have gone to such lengths to save him, and Bruno would have died in that church. Diavolo would have won and that'd be the end of it. But Mista's dedication reflects the gang's own dedication, which is what carried them to the end; it costs some of their lives, but they defeated Diavolo, the man whose power was to control fate.
Everything you said is right, but I think there is even more. The entire arc of Golden Wind is about destiny and fate. Gio is Dio's son, his destiny should be one of evil, but he rejects that path. Trish is Diavolo's daughter, but rejects him and the fate he decided for her, so should could decide her own fate. King Crimson and GER both manipulate fate in different ways. To me Sleeping Slaves just highlighted the motif of the arc.
Of note is that they really didn't defy fate like some people want to claim, the whole thing was still foreseen by both Rolling Stones at the beginning and technically Epitaph at the end Whether they even changed fate at all is up for debate, but going with the whole Jesus parallel, I think the most accurate way to look at it is to compare fate to God, as a sort of conscious entity, and so the gang's resolve was able to impress it enough for it to work slight alterations into the plan Personally, I'd like to think that Mista's breaking of the stone is what caused Bucciarati to be able to continue living after his fated death(which did still happen, mind you), leading to the deaths of the others but also the ultimate victory Epitaph is probably also relevant here- it shows a vision the future, and that vision is an unchangeable fate which always comes to pass no matter what, but the actual events in practice can work out differently than the vision would imply, spinning a prophecy of doom into a lucky win without anything ever actually being altered
Let's forget for a moment that Fugo was originally meant to betray the others until Araki had a change of heart and just look at the facts as they lie in the main story. Fugo realistically made the smart choice by not hopping on the boat with the others, here's why: - It was basically a suicide mission. Save for Mista, everyone else from Bruno's original gang died going against Diavolo (with Bruno himself being dead before he even gave his team the ultimatum). - He recognised it as being a suicide mission. The only reason Giorno was able to defeat Diavolo was because Polnareff (an unknown third party) told them that he thought he knew a way to beat Diavolo after they had already parted ways. With the information at hand, Fugo knew they didn't stand a chance. - He probably would have died (or his involvement would have resulted in a lot of civilian casualties). As strong as Purple Haze is, it's not ideal for protecting himself since Fugo lacks an immunity to his own Stand's virus. He knew his own limitations better than anyone, and probably recognised that his own involvement would pose a fatal risk to himself and his friends. - He lacked the motivation to throw himself into an insane situation such as that. While he felt indebted to Bruno, he didn't have the drive to punish the boss for ruining people's lives through drug addiction (Giorno and Bruno), the rigid soldier-like discipline to carry out a task no matter what (Abbacchio), or the personal empathy towards Trish's situation (Narancia). Mista was always going to follow Bruno no matter what, he just didn't want to be the fourth person on the boat. For those interested, I'd highly recommend reading Purple Haze Feedback novel. It's set after the events of Part 5 and dives into Fugo's own psychology and his own guilt over his inability to join his friends. Has some pretty great fights to boot too.
3:10 This is my absolute favorite part of GER. Canonically, no-one in the story fully understands how it works. Giorno seems to have an implicit, muscle-memory understanding of his abilities, but he can barley put it into words.
GER removes truth. Diavolo was beaten to death and drowned in the river. That is his fate. However, GER removes the ability to progress towards your fate, but since destiny is inescapable, Diavolo will die in a false manner for eternity because he can never reach the truth aka his true destiny.
Diavolo's stand allowed him to side-step the truth without consequence. King Crimson could be argued to have the power to avoid destiny. Things that he doesn't want to happen to himself can be erased and only Diavolo is able to change his pre-determined actions during this state.
JoJo Part 5 is the most Roman Catholic show I've seen thus far. There's so many allusions in both imagery and characters. You can't get anymore holy than the son of God killing the Devil on a Sunday. And I agree with Woolz. I wish we had more discussions around that ancestral connection. I know that we had Polnareff and the fact that Giorno acts like half Jonathan/half Dio, but I wanted a bit more
@@theprofesionalist7927 I don't need him to copy Dio-isms. The wryy, mudas, and Shadow Dio pose was fine enough for me. I would've like for Giorno to know what Koichi was told by Jotaro in the beginning. An understanding of how the Joestar and Brando legacies intersect through him would've been so good! Or even having Giorno meet Jotaro since he was so impacted by the actions of his father. I feel like there's a missed opportunity for closure there. That being said, I'm a big fan of Part 5 regardless of this.
I haven't listened to this yet. Did they miss that? .... I get the feeling that if I listen to Woolie talk about Giorno I'm just gonna be frustrated the entire time.
Actually, don't the Protagonists in Part 7 and 8 Intentionally kill almost every enemy stand user they come across, save for a few who leave the story or join them?
@@samsonlynard8455 Yeah but to be fair part 7 is wild west where people shoot each other all the time and Gappy is a weirdo freak with 4 testicles who's fighting rock monsters.
I firmly believe Diavolo's end was specific to him, and Gold Experience Requiem shouldn't be able to repeat it on another person. Araki DIDN'T forget about something this time! Remember how Giorno infused life energy into Bruno when they first fought, and overloaded his senses so he couldn't act? That's what GER did, on steroids. Why couldn't Diavolo bring out his stand during any of these deaths? Because it was already being used. Diavolo going through his own death again and again is Epitaph being overloaded. Instead of seeing it a future, he's experiencing it. Notice the shadowing on his forehead when he first crawls out from the river, where Epitaph would be. And him being in his own dimension or whatever is King Crimson's doing, just out of his control. In short, Giorno is now a 15 year old Crime Boss that says drugs are bad and Bruno was the real Jojo all along.
Why is Giorno the one who gets meme'd with "Drugs Bad" when Bruno hates drugs more than Giorno ever did. Giorno's deal is that he wants to be righteous like the Gangster that saved him, and he only ever said that selling them to kids was bad.
13:50 I forget where I read this, but Araki has said that part of what he really likes about part 5 is how the protagonists, despite growing up in terrible conditions, all end up on the side of justice. This is the first part where most of the heroes don’t come from a position of relative privilege. It kinda reminds me of how Josuke and Kira, despite being very similar in many aspects, end up as the good guy and bad guy. They both have issues with compulsive violence, and they both are motivated by returning to a quiet, peaceful life, their status quo. Josuke is different because he uses his compulsive violence for good, and wants peace for the entire town, not just himself. What’s great about this, is that it’s in direct conflict with Kira’s idea that he can’t change who he his and can’t control his actions; he’s full of shit.
This is exactly it. Kira has a moment in which he could have changed - in the Stray Cat intro, when Shinobu is in danger and he feels worry for the first time in his life for someone else. It means that deep down, there *was* a shred of good, there *was* a possibility for him to redeem himself. But he consciously avoids changing for the better
Araki went to a catholic school as a kid, so religious themes and motifs were bound to be really common in Jojo, even if he's mostly doing it for the "Japan thinks Bible-stories, Christianity and its motifs are cool as hell" a la Evangelion, which only had those themes because they're near nonexistent in Japan and they look rad, which they are.
On the point of Abacchio and Narancia supposedly dying anyhow when "Diavolo kills everyone who knows about Trish..." If Bruno had died to Rolling Stones, nearly nothing in Part 5 would've happened the same way. - Bruno wouldn't recruit Giorno who wouldn't have killed Polpo. - Bruno wouldn't have been given the job to protect Trish, thus not getting the gang involved eith the Boss and his shit. All in all, the Gang Star Squad would've probably just had been mourning Bruno in the middle of fighting some new golden boy as well as an internal war with the Execution Squad. I've always interpreted Mista's interference with Rolling Stones' power as, "Yes, Bruno stays alive, but now you've dragged Abacchio and Narancia into the same situation where they're fated to die."
I actual love how they handled giorno being dio and Jonathans son cause they never directly address it but his actions show it.He has his moral goals and is a good guy but he will brutally murders multiple people if he has to. In the chocolata fight even if he actually surrendered giorno was still going let's a beetle eat through his brain. He doing it to save people and chocolata definitely deserved it but it's still a bit sadistic. Hell one of the first things he does is rob tourist and use the money to buy kids ice cream. He's basically the goals of Jonathan with the actions of Dio
You could give Jotaro a bit more credit to his character. A good portion of Jotaro's emotions are in Star Platinum (which I feel is on purpose sometimes). Even then, Jotaro's can be pretty smug and funny when he wants to be. He's got a ton of smug smiles in the manga including a few genuinely happy ones.
Huh, that's a really good point. Meanwhile, Gold Experience is completely stoic throughout the entire part, doesn't even have emotive eyes until the end, and is a vague-as-fuck asspull machine until evolving into a glorified plot device. Sums up Giorno's character perfectly.
A super serious character wouldn't have one liners like "Yeah, we're friends; friends of justice" and "Nice watch, too bad you won't be able to read it once I break it; your face that is."
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Giorno wanting to stop the drug trafficking also plays into the sleeping slave theme. Being an addict means you will be drawn ( [GRAVITY] ) towards drugs and you will become enslaved by them ( [FATE] )
There can never be a truth to the fate of Diavolo When did he die? Where did he die? How did he die? Who killed him? None of these questions will eve rhave a true answer
in which woolie accidentally explains how part 5 is thematically rich and one of the best parts. also, in my opinion, it's completely fine that giorno is somewhat secondary to bruno. giorno is the catalyst that unlocks bruno's true ambition in the beginning of the story, but bruno's death lays the path for giorno to make that dream a reality. it's okay to have two protagonists (see part 7). just because he's the jojo of the part doesn't mean it has to completely revolve around him. in addition, i think you're misunderstanding how the other characters react to giorno. he's not using his "charisma" to convince them that he should be their leader; he's trying to just be part of the gang at first. giorno slowly proves that he's capable and trustworthy over the course of the part, but the other members of bruno's gang still follow bruno first and foremost (except fugo lol). speaking of fugo, i'm pretty sure he can barely control his stand so all the complaints about him being kicked out for being overpowered are kind of dumb.
I agree with your thoughts on Bruno and Giorno. I think what skews the footing they're on is that their respective roles as deuteragonist and protagonist are colored by their roles in the gang, and in the "heist gone wrong" story that Part 5 is modeled after. It's easy to forget that Bruno was in a holding pattern until he crossed paths with Giorno, or that his best-laid plans in Part 5, and all the hype he gets from the rest of his team, are explained retroactively; he was a great man with solid plans and a real crew, on the cusp of further greatness, limiting himself with misplaced pragmatism. Giorno gave him the kick in the pants he needed to move forward; from that point on, all Bruno had to do was follow his initiative. And all Giorno wants to do is to rise up the ranks the right way - not by manipulating an idiot, but by following someone worth a damn, just like the rest of the crew. With how the rest of Bucciarati's team all get introduced back to back, bringing the focus back to Bruno as they compare and contrast themselves to him, Bruno gets a lot of play. But chronologically, after the team squares up, they become a proper ensemble, and Bruno and Giorno are elevated only because they're shoring up the gaps in the team in their own ways. Bruno's the boss, and Giorno's perfectly satisfied with that - he's got a pocket sample of what he wants Passione to be in his team, and he'll only step up when he sees something that doesn't match his ideal. It makes him somewhat passive, and that means he doesn't pop out like the other protags, but considering that the rest of the series never had a protagonist like that before or since, it also makes him unique. Considering what Woolie mentioned about Giorno's unconscious defiance of fate, it's a good contrast for the son of Dio to put such a high value of fellowship, even if he doesn't express it all the time. I'm sorry I wrote so much, I just really wanted to bounce off what you said.
More than a full-on main character I feel Giorno serves more as a consolidation of the gang's hopes, as seen in the series' final moments. He is well developed, but instead of having a rich, fun personality he leaves that to the side characters and plays more the role of the savior.
The thing that I loved about part 5 was that it made me like EVERY character including the villains. Everything seemed so unique to me and it's honesty one of my favourite parts even tho the ending fight was a bit anti climactic, it was still awesome.
Part 5 was like Part 3 redone with way more interesting characters and way better pacing! The only thing in Part 3 that challenged it in my opinion was DIO.
let's face it, despite being the big bad and the final foe, Diavolo isn't REALLY the final boss of Part 5. That's Silver Chariot Requiem, which was not only incredibly powerful and tricky and required a lot of thinking outside the box to defeat, but its mere presence was bringing about an apocalyptic level event.
Spoilers for Devilman and Jojo Part 5 It's funny how both Satan, from Devilman, and Diavolo are stuck in a time loop of torment. It's more like a punishment for their sins.
In the case of Devilman though, God is a dick. Sentencing humanity to repeat a long and painful existence alongside Satan until an apocalyptic end to just be reset and do it again is bullshit. Punish the primary target, not literally everyone else too as part of the main target's torture. It'd be like if GER sentenced everyone on the planet to the same fate as Diavolo for shits and giggles.
I think what some people use as a criticism of Giorno's character, that he doesn't really "develop", doesn't make him a bad character as much as a different archetype. Giorno's heritage is more of a symbolic/thematic thing, and his whole character is about how he changes and inspires the other characters around him, which is why people often say "Bruno is the main character", which he is. He's the typical main character with sympathetic motivations that goes through an arc. But Giorno is the driving force behind that, which is what makes him the *protagonist.* Plus there's no rule against multiple main characters. Now, does this mean Giorno doesn't need more depth or that it wouldn't have been interesting if there was more of a dynamic between the Dio/Jonathan parts of him? No, of course not, I wish we got that too. But I don't think him being "flat" makes him a bad character.
Well, having an arc is not necessary, Joseph and Jonathan don't change but entertain. Being flat is a problem however because that implies that there isn't a character and nothing happens.
Giorno definitely feels more like an influencing "force" in the story rather than a main character (a "Golden Wind" if you will), and I think that's fine. It feels reminiscent of old myths (possibly Roman?), and that might have been the point on Araki's part.
There are instances of Giorno showing traits from Jonathan and DIO in the same scene though, like when at first he asks politely for a ride to the truck driver in the Kraft Work fight to instantly threaten him when he says no. Also in the scene where he uses compassion to bait Cioccolata and immediately murder him.
It's such a double standard, because Jonathan, Joseph, Jotaro and Josuke are JUST as flat and JUST as devoid of character development. Their personalities are exactly the same at the start as they are at the end. But for Gio that's suddenly a bad character.
Nearly all the other Jojo's experience some change. Except maybe Jonathan and arguably Jotaro. Giorno is a catalyst. And a bland one at that. He's never proven wrong, and when he's challenged, they quickly either fall to his side or get made a fool out of (Abbachio)
I like Fugo, It's nice to have atleast one guy who goes "But I don't want to sacrifice myself for everyone else" and goes off to run a bakery or something.
My head canon is that, because Giorno didn't get blonde hair or resemble Dio at all until he got a Stand, and because of how absurd and mean GER is, his Stand is ACTUALLY where all his Dio genes/soul bits went. Giorno with GER is ridiculous. GER being as it exists in itself and not telling Giorno it's powers? That smells like Brando.
It's a shame that Giorno kind of loses the few character quirks that he displays in the first chapters. Early Giorno was really charming. He stole wallets, briefcases, drank piss, he was a bit smug and arrogant (like a son of Dio should be) but then he just...faded into blandness. I still really like part 5 but I wish Giorno was like a more righteous version of Diego rather than what he ended up being.
I kinda feel this with Jotaro and Josuke too. They kinda get overshadowed by supporting cast and the main draw of their personalities at the start then usually gives way to them being rather stoic and one note while they just follow along with the plot. I'd say Giorno has it the worst where at least Jotaro was kind of stoic by default so he just gets to be the same stubborn badass from start to finish. Josuke is somewhere in the middle I think. Joseph definitely was the star of Part 2 though and I don't think he ever lost his charm even as things got plot heavy.
@@SchrodingerMil Jolyne is great! She has one of the most stand out personalities from any of the main cast with out being out shadowed by her supporting cast who are also pretty damn good.
Honestly this always made sense to me in context, his humorous and kind of affable nature immediately dissolved when he’s placed in near-death situations. I think if him and his “friends” weren’t always about to be killed we would have seen a lot more of his personality. The same if he was more a part of the group. I also think him ending the series as the head of a CRIME SYNDICATE also keeps him _very_ different from the other Jojos. That said, Diego is absolutely best Dio, even including Gio in the competition.
I subscribe to the idea that Bruno feeling more like the main character is very much an intentional part of the story. It's like Giorno's literal plan for becoming the boss from the very beginning. He knows he's just some nobody that no one in the gang will respect or acknowledge the authority of, so instead he attaches himself to Bruno, who's already established and revered in the organization, and uses him to accomplish what would normally take years of work in a week. Instead of starting out as a grunt and having to spend years working for the organization, building up a rep and rising through the ranks, he can just tag along with someone who's already a capo and take a massive shortcut. He's more or less deceiving the rest of the gang into thinking they're helping Bruno rise through the ranks, when in truth they're actually working towards Giorno's ends instead. This is why there's so much emphasis on the gang being dicks to Giorno at first, because it establishes why having Bruno as the face of their plan is so important. Bruno is the charismatic leader that everyone trusts, and all Giorno has to do is sit back and ride it out. Not having to be a proper leader and getting to basically be a background character is a situation that Giorno and Bruno intentionally engineer for him. In fact when you think about it it's actually kind of a parallel to Diavolo and Doppio, the idea of hiding yourself behind another face and manipulating things from the shadows while actually being out in broad daylight. Just like Doppio was able to constantly be around the gang without them knowing the main villain is literally right there, so too does Giorno get to hang around and act like the weird, quiet new guy without them knowing that he's actually using them to take over their entire organization. Also Giorno doesn't defeat Diavolo because he gets a power up. He defeats Diavolo because he gets the arrow. Obtaining requiem and sentencing him to his fate is basically just the epilogue of the actual battle. The real fight is the struggle to get the arrow in the first place, which they do actually earn by out smarting and out maneuvering Diavolo. It's just like in part 4. The heroes don't win because a truck conveniently shows up and kills Kira, the heroes win by outsmarting him and stopping Bites the Dust from activating. The cause of Kira's death is just the aftermath of his defeat. Same with Diavolo. His defeat wasn't him getting hit by GER, it was in failing to get the arrow: him giving in to Trish's taunting, being out maneuvered by their strategy and teamwork, and ultimately getting out smarted by Bruno's plan to destroy SCR at the last moment.
As the requiem plays for our gold experience the sleeping slaves of fate have been set free but don't despair for we all are a little closer to heaven.
If you guys read purple haze and learned more about the drug side of the mafia it might shift your opinion a little more on how much Diavolo deserved to go that way. Super pumped for part 6, it's my favorite part, I mean part 7 is hands down the best part but Stone Ocean is still my fav.
It’s just kinda weird how they set up Jotaro and Koichi searching for Giorno because he’s the son of Dio but it ultimately doesn’t matter. Also a missed opportunity to bring back Polnareff who also fought Dio and is now working with the son of Dio and that doesn’t get brought up at all
I'd like to also point out how fucking dumb sending Koichi alone was to a country he knows almost nothing about, with no back up, support, or information on his target at all while the person he is looking for is the son of the most DANGEROUS MAN JOTARO HAS EVER MET! This could have turned out two ways, Koichi would have died and Jotaro would have the blood of a fucking high school kid on his hands, or things turn out good and Koichi calls him back eventually. I think Jotaro really should have went to go check himself since he later ignores his own child to go searching for Dio's crap anyway and fails spectacularly at even that, I mean for all he knew that wasn't even Koichi on the other side of the line or Koichi was just tricked like what happened with Rohan. My biggest complaint with Part 5 is that it starts off basically advertising Dio as much as possible, but he really has no influence on the story at all besides being the head that was piloting the dick that created the main character. I think Pat puts it perfectly in that Giornno could have just been Dio but with good intentions instead which would have been more entertaining, but we got a mild Jonathan at BEST with very few Dio bits sprinkled around and a piece of wood to fill in the large gaps between them.
P: Hey, just so you know, your father was a dick. G: Is that so? P: Yes. G: I see. P: ... G: ... P: Anyway, about the removal of drugs... It's not like there would be much to talk about.
To me the peak Giorno moment was the fight against White Album, when Mista was constantly thinking they were fucked but Giorno wouldn't give up. I think a main character with that kind of unwavering faith can be interesting, but sadly Giorno just lost the spotlight to Bruno.
The fact that pat kinda shits on fugos bugs me. Fugo was originally supposed to be the boss's inside man and didn't get a flashback in the manga, but araki didn't want to go through with because he felt it would be too dark. I am 90% sure the green day fight was originally supposed to be purple haze.
Fugo did nothing wrong. He was mostly right, wasn't he? Narancia and Abbachio did end up dying. Can't hate him for being logical about the situation, seeing as he's the most logical character in the group. It might not be your typical Shonen response to such a decision, but I think that it ends up working in the end. I would have preferred Araki's original plan for him, but I'm not angry with what we got.
Jotaro demonstrated the ability to pick up and learn new skills incredibly fast when he played Oh! That's A Baseball against D'Arby despite never having played a video game before, foreshadowing how he would learn the timestop after seeing Dio do it. He also used his bluffing abilities demonstrated in the OTHER D'Arby encounter, with his incredible poker face, to punk Dio multiple times.
The way I understood Rolling Stones changing was that, had the whole fight between Mista and the stone not happened, Fugo would've gone to investigate the death of Leaky Eye Luca as per Bruno's original orders, therefore Bruno and Giorno never meet and have their moment where Giorno convinces him to fight against the boss. But right after the stone is destroyed, Bruno changes the order, deciding to go investigate it himself, and have Fugo try to figure out from Mista what was going on. Right after that conversation, the stone changes to show Bruno, Narancia, and Abbachio. Therefore Mista shooting the stone didn't actually kill Narancia and Abbachio directly, but his actions did result in Giorno actually joining the gang. Had he not done that, presumably Fugo might have even beaten Giorno, then Bruno would have become a Capo eventually (perhaps with the money from the old man who asked to have Rolling Stones' user be killed), been given the mission to bring Trish to the boss, made it to Venice, tried to fight the boss after realising his true intention was to kill Trish (as he does anyway), and then been killed, but without Giorno around to heal him. In other words, if not for Mista, Part 5 wouldn't have happened lol. That's just what I assumed when I saw the episode anyway.
To be completely fair, in a worse timeline, Diavolo would have gotten the arrow and Giorno would somehow beat him, because in nearly every story ever, the villain’s plan ends up happening despite the plot being about preventing it. If anything, Diavolo getting the arrow stolen from him was a breath of fresh air.
Reminder that Diavolo is the only Jojo villain that doesn't get any power up unless part 8 change that. Spoilers bellow -Dio becomes a Vampire -Kars becomes the Ultimate life form -Dio gets a Stand -Kira gets Bite the Dust -Pucci gets C-Moon and Made in Heaven -Valentine gets Love Train Diavolo is the only one who stays the same.
I mean, the better version is that Giornno beats Diavolo with out the arrow, ether by destroying it before he can use it to kill them all or to make sure it isn't taken from him. This would result in both expectations being subverted ( I feel gross saying that ), and it becomes a battle of Giornno's wits over Diavolo's overwhelming advantage in Stand Power. That's pretty much what was missing with Part 5, a direct clash between the main hero and villain, and while yes that happens in very part, it happens for a reason because we enjoy those conflicts as you get more things out of them than a simple instant victory.
@@ghirahimlefabuleux8984 Dio in part 3 basically started with a stand, so that doesn't really count. That said, he does get that mid battle "power up" from sucking Joseph's blood.
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The thing about the kira fight is its a team effort. Kira is basically worn down by the combined efforts of Josuke, Okuyasu, Hayato and Jotaro, with the final attack pushing him into the bath of the ambulance that killed him. KIRA, the most low key, lowest level big bad in the series takees the efforts of like four people to take him down. Diavolo, the big bad crime boss, is basiccally a footnote comapred to the threat of SIlver CHariot requiem and it basically just takes Bruno giving the arrow to Girono for girono to just win easily.
I'm definitely ready for "Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Part 6: Mickey is Unfindable". "If there is no Mickey, this shit ain't Disney!" Also snails, homonculi and the KKK.
I definitely agree with the point that Giorno could have had a more inner struggle over being both a Joestar and a Brando son, and Pat is right on the fact GER's ability is definitely a nightmare stand not suited for a hero but Giorno always reminded me of more of anti hero. It would have been awesome if Giorno showed up during part 6 but I completely understand why not because he's broken with GER. Also it would have taken away from Jolyne(but Weather kinda tried that, and Emporio at the end).
My biggest issue with Part 5 is also how vanilla Giorno is. You'd expect the son of Dio to be explored more as a character but he's kind of just a good guy with a dream. Bruno and Mista are some of the best Jobros though so Part 5 is still worth going through.
I personally don't know which part I'd call the worst for JoJo. I think Part 6 has higher highs but also lower lows compared to Part 5. That said, JoJo at it's worst is still pretty dang good, and I greatly look forward to seeing Jolyne "Balls Deep" Cujoh on screen in a couple years, probably.
There was this one scene from Yu Yu Hakusho when Kurama put Young Togoro in a chase loop in his mind and since he couldn't not die, he have to suffer with no end.
Fugo sucks because Araki wussed out on a really good narrative structure cause it made him have the bad feels. There's an alternate reality where Fugo is the best character.
I always assumed that Mista destroying Rolling Stones was what allowed Bruno to be pseudo-ressurected by Giorno: If Mista hadn't destroyed Rolling Stones, the healing would have failed, just like with Josuke and his grandfather, and Giorno and the gang would have lost Trish and their chance at finding Diavolo. They would lose, but Abbachio and Narancia would have lived. However, because Rolling Stones' destruction prevented Bruno's death from sticking, they continued with the rebellion, which Fate allows only at the cost of Narancia and Abacchio's lives. That also means that Bruno's undead condition wasn't actually a Gold Experience effect, but rather a latent effect from Rolling Stones' destruction.
Does pat not get that Giorno having the arrow in his hand at the end means GER is done for. Like maybe Giorno can call upon it eventually, but as a stand is itself sentient (seemingly unlike Silver chariot requiem) and can most likely pull its punches. Much like crazy diamond, its ability isn’t always on when it punches. So Even if Giorno still had full access to GER, then both him and the stand would probably never use that ability unless it needs to
I think, much like Chariot Requiem, when the arrow fell out of Gold Experience it returned to its original state. There is no confirming this, but it would make sense that your Stand needs the arrow to remain in Requiem.
If you want an anime that utilizes the idea of luck really well, Gundam Thunderbolt is a great choice. I know Woolie saw it, but anyone interested should definitely give it a watch.
I gotta say, by the end of Jojo Part 5, it felt more like an origin story for a villain than it does a hero. Like Pat said, he has a villain's Stand ability. He ends the story in charge of the entire mafia. He has one of the arrows, which lets him make as many superpowered henchmen as he wants. And he's still the son of DIO. With most of his friends dying and him seeming so detached at the end, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the next time he showed up, he had made a slide into villainy.
Knowing your stand power is like knowing your emotions, you know what they are, but putting them into words can take you a while, and when you start thinking of them so literally, you can miss details, like Giorno misunderstanding his power at first. Likewise, GER is so immense that Giorno has no way to process exactly what it does in time, however he still knows what he has to do for it to work
Theres a theory I have heard that is pretty interesting about Jotaro, claiming that he has Autism-Aspergers and to less of an extent, deaf in his right ear. His social interactions fall in line with the spectrum and there has been times where he should absolutely hear something, but doesnt, because the gun he shot right next to his ear in the beginning of Stardust Crusaders would have heavily impaired his hearing with how close it was. Also, there is no way the Moriohcho gang outsmarted Kira Yoshikage. The only person he has to blame for his death is himself and how he dealt with Hayato.
Stop saying Fugo was casted aside because of Purple Haze, Araki had a plan but he dropped it, and even if he stayed Abbachio said Fugo don't let PH goes out often because of how wild and uncontrollable things could get and Fugo ONLY used PH against MitM because he was sure they were alone. So yeah, even if he stayed, he would just be a guy standing there because the fucker is afraid of his stand as much or even more as anyone else.
I've always wondered if Gold Experience Requiem's power to "Return to 0" is literally only that gnarly on Diavolo. Like under normal circumstances it'd probably just rewind time/the state of something to it's original point. But when used in King Crimson's Erased Time, It's like trying to set a null value to 0, so it's stuck in a loop.
Nah. That's legit just his stand ability. He can send anyone into a infinite loop of suffering like he did to diavolo. Given that he punches them with the intent to kill them. At least from what ive gathered. I'm no jojo string theory scientist tho.
This is what I've been saying about the whole Giorno being Dio's son thing for so long, and I'm glad that it's a point of discussion right now. It's mentioned once early on to try and give this convoluted explanation of how Giorno is technically a Joestar, and he does his mudamudamuda, but beyond that, the idea is never explored. Heck, I have to question if Araki even did that with any legitimate intent in mind for the character, or if it was just a way for him to break away from the Japan setting (and inadvertently give him the freedom to do another part in Italy, a place he's known to be infatuated with).
i think that the implication from Rolling Stones is that before Mista broke the stone, the timeline would have had Bucciarati die from King Crimson in the church, presumably because they did not meet Giorno, and so delivered Trish as commanded, Bucciarati went after her when she was spirited away by King Crimson, and Bruno was killed in the basement. Mista breaking the stone only shifted their line of fate so that they met Giorno, setting them off on another line of adventure that resulted in more deaths, but the defeat of Diavolo.
Part 5 is one of my favorite JoJo parts, but I never really noticed the themes of fate that are so prevalent with Diavolo and his fight I don't know if the translation I read didn't use the word fate as much as the anime, or if I'm retarded, but its great that Giorno's final Boss is an embodiment of "fate" considering DIO's whole deal was trying to twist fate in his favor.
GER still has a massive weakness. Its not always active, Giorno has to stab himself each time he wants to bring it up. At the end when the arrow drops next to him its implied GER just switched back to GE just like when Polnareff took the arrow from SCR
The original reason why Fugo was written out was he was supposed to betrayed the group to Diavalo and Gionro was supposed to kill him But Araki who was going through some rough stuff at the same time kind of related to Fugo and didn’t want to want to break the bond the Gang has decided write him off instead
They're pretty hard on Fugo for quitting when faced with the threat of a time warping demigod who rules over the most powerful criminal organization in Italy. Who they all worked for up to that point and indirectly gave him every real opportunity he ever had.
Man, seeing Polpo get his brains blown out because of Giorno gave me hope that he would be at least devilish and devious like Dio, but for noble goals. Then the rest of his character happened.
As an anime watcher only, I assumed that part 5 probably the most mature(?) plots so far, without spoiling anything, does it get better than this on the future later on?
On the topic of *PROPHECY STONES* , I guess you could say... No one can escape the fate that was chosen for them~? Eh? Eh? Get it? You could even say that Diavolo is singing a song of sorrow in a world where time has vanished? Also the fucking stone is in the very FIRST frame of the first opening. God dammit, DP. Speaking of the sculptor being Jesus, he sure did get shot through both hands in a pretty specific way, huh?
also i think the whole 'two-year pregnancy' thing was because the explorers that Polnareff mentions, who found the meteor and the guys were exposed to the virus, and the one got a stand power before dying, i think that was Diavolo's dad. I think he had sex with Diavolo's mother, went on the expadition and she went to prison, and then he got a Stand, it passed through his energy to his potential child like Dio passing Stands on to the Joestars, and it kickstarted Diavolo.
Because the story only took place within one week, this means that Mista shot himself on average once every four hours.
That is hilarious 😂
Damn it would be 4
Insho his tiny children that live in his gun really fuckin hate him, damn
Gang shit, nigga
Luckily there's a healing stand
"The whole story took place in about a week."
Imagine the people who knew Giorno at his school being super confused at how the blonde weirdo who disappeared for a week suddenly became the godfather.
Assuming he went to school
Koichi talking to Jotaro on the phone : You know what? I think everything will be A-Ok with this Giorno kid.
1 week later :
I find it funny that the survivor of the Passione gang was the guy who got shot about 20 times from his own gun.
The Sleeping Slaves thingy kinda cops that whole thing up to being just that it wasn't Mista's time to die yet
He built up an immunity to death by almost-killing himself many times.
MIsta is the most lucky unlucky person ever to live.
Out of EVERYONE the guy who shoots himself multiple times and should've been dead several times over.
Sex Pistols Requiem: Mista shoots himself and instead of taking damage to that body part himself, whatever person he has in mind, no matter where they are on the planet in relation to his position, takes the actual hit to the respective body part.
Could you imagine in part 6, they have multiple scenes in the background where you can see Diavolo just dying if you looked hard enough.
That'd be fucking amazing
Considering all the little fan stuff that David Productions has thrown in that wasn't in the manga, I wouldn't be surprised if they did that, and it would be fantastic. Take that idea one step further by the time part 7 rolls around.
Diavolo's diary day 300: today I died due to a rash of poisonous frogs falling from the sky. I'd say its my msot creatve death so far, second only to that time a vampire tore off half my face and drank my blood.
@@sarafontanini7051 There comes a point where you just get bored and keeping track of each death becomes a hobby.
Better yet, It should pop up in SBR with how it ends.
The one thing that is a bit less horrifying and kind of reassuring about Diavolo's infinite death is that Doppio got out of it, sure he felt alone and afraid while dying in the coliseum, but he got a peaceful death which feels fair since he was all that was good and pure of Diavolo.
Aside from everything Woolie said, Sleeping Slaves is about the gang's loyalty to each other being able to change fate. If Mista (like the rest of the gang) hadn't been so loyal to Bruno, he wouldn't have gone to such lengths to save him, and Bruno would have died in that church. Diavolo would have won and that'd be the end of it. But Mista's dedication reflects the gang's own dedication, which is what carried them to the end; it costs some of their lives, but they defeated Diavolo, the man whose power was to control fate.
Everything you said is right, but I think there is even more. The entire arc of Golden Wind is about destiny and fate. Gio is Dio's son, his destiny should be one of evil, but he rejects that path. Trish is Diavolo's daughter, but rejects him and the fate he decided for her, so should could decide her own fate. King Crimson and GER both manipulate fate in different ways. To me Sleeping Slaves just highlighted the motif of the arc.
Of note is that they really didn't defy fate like some people want to claim, the whole thing was still foreseen by both Rolling Stones at the beginning and technically Epitaph at the end
Whether they even changed fate at all is up for debate, but going with the whole Jesus parallel, I think the most accurate way to look at it is to compare fate to God, as a sort of conscious entity, and so the gang's resolve was able to impress it enough for it to work slight alterations into the plan
Personally, I'd like to think that Mista's breaking of the stone is what caused Bucciarati to be able to continue living after his fated death(which did still happen, mind you), leading to the deaths of the others but also the ultimate victory
Epitaph is probably also relevant here- it shows a vision the future, and that vision is an unchangeable fate which always comes to pass no matter what, but the actual events in practice can work out differently than the vision would imply, spinning a prophecy of doom into a lucky win without anything ever actually being altered
Let's forget for a moment that Fugo was originally meant to betray the others until Araki had a change of heart and just look at the facts as they lie in the main story. Fugo realistically made the smart choice by not hopping on the boat with the others, here's why:
- It was basically a suicide mission. Save for Mista, everyone else from Bruno's original gang died going against Diavolo (with Bruno himself being dead before he even gave his team the ultimatum).
- He recognised it as being a suicide mission. The only reason Giorno was able to defeat Diavolo was because Polnareff (an unknown third party) told them that he thought he knew a way to beat Diavolo after they had already parted ways. With the information at hand, Fugo knew they didn't stand a chance.
- He probably would have died (or his involvement would have resulted in a lot of civilian casualties). As strong as Purple Haze is, it's not ideal for protecting himself since Fugo lacks an immunity to his own Stand's virus. He knew his own limitations better than anyone, and probably recognised that his own involvement would pose a fatal risk to himself and his friends.
- He lacked the motivation to throw himself into an insane situation such as that. While he felt indebted to Bruno, he didn't have the drive to punish the boss for ruining people's lives through drug addiction (Giorno and Bruno), the rigid soldier-like discipline to carry out a task no matter what (Abbacchio), or the personal empathy towards Trish's situation (Narancia). Mista was always going to follow Bruno no matter what, he just didn't want to be the fourth person on the boat.
For those interested, I'd highly recommend reading Purple Haze Feedback novel. It's set after the events of Part 5 and dives into Fugo's own psychology and his own guilt over his inability to join his friends. Has some pretty great fights to boot too.
also brings back the vampires
@@sarafontanini7051 And a ton of other stuff.
>Mista was always going to follow Bruno no matter what, he just didn't want to be the fourth person on the boat.
"Don't really have to do a spoilercast on it"
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3:10 This is my absolute favorite part of GER. Canonically, no-one in the story fully understands how it works. Giorno seems to have an implicit, muscle-memory understanding of his abilities, but he can barley put it into words.
GER is that ACTUAL “it just works” Stand.
I know how it works. The story about the statue stand was to explain how it worked.
GER removes truth. Diavolo was beaten to death and drowned in the river. That is his fate. However, GER removes the ability to progress towards your fate, but since destiny is inescapable, Diavolo will die in a false manner for eternity because he can never reach the truth aka his true destiny.
Diavolo's stand allowed him to side-step the truth without consequence. King Crimson could be argued to have the power to avoid destiny. Things that he doesn't want to happen to himself can be erased and only Diavolo is able to change his pre-determined actions during this state.
To simplify it, King Crimson gives Diavolo the truth he wants, GER denies Diavolo from reaching any kind of truth.
JoJo Part 5 is the most Roman Catholic show I've seen thus far. There's so many allusions in both imagery and characters. You can't get anymore holy than the son of God killing the Devil on a Sunday.
And I agree with Woolz. I wish we had more discussions around that ancestral connection. I know that we had Polnareff and the fact that Giorno acts like half Jonathan/half Dio, but I wanted a bit more
Yeah, but would you actually want him to say stuff like "but it was me Giorno!" or would that be too derivative?
@@theprofesionalist7927 I don't need him to copy Dio-isms. The wryy, mudas, and Shadow Dio pose was fine enough for me. I would've like for Giorno to know what Koichi was told by Jotaro in the beginning. An understanding of how the Joestar and Brando legacies intersect through him would've been so good! Or even having Giorno meet Jotaro since he was so impacted by the actions of his father. I feel like there's a missed opportunity for closure there. That being said, I'm a big fan of Part 5 regardless of this.
Get ready for more Catholic stuff in Stone Ocean
@@Abdega Right! I've heard there's an evil priest man? Looking forward to figuring out what that's all about 😅
Wait until part 7
Giorno brutally murdering Polpo, Melone, and ciocolatta mercilessly should count towards how he differentiates himself from other jojos.
I haven't listened to this yet. Did they miss that?
.... I get the feeling that if I listen to Woolie talk about Giorno I'm just gonna be frustrated the entire time.
Well Gappy/Josuke part 8 does that too so meh.
Actually, don't the Protagonists in Part 7 and 8 Intentionally kill almost every enemy stand user they come across, save for a few who leave the story or join them?
@@samsonlynard8455 Yeah but to be fair part 7 is wild west where people shoot each other all the time and Gappy is a weirdo freak with 4 testicles who's fighting rock monsters.
@@samsonlynard8455 part 7 required them to kill their enemies, that's what the Ringo Roadagain arc is about, like almost entirely in my opinion
I firmly believe Diavolo's end was specific to him, and Gold Experience Requiem shouldn't be able to repeat it on another person. Araki DIDN'T forget about something this time!
Remember how Giorno infused life energy into Bruno when they first fought, and overloaded his senses so he couldn't act? That's what GER did, on steroids. Why couldn't Diavolo bring out his stand during any of these deaths? Because it was already being used.
Diavolo going through his own death again and again is Epitaph being overloaded. Instead of seeing it a future, he's experiencing it. Notice the shadowing on his forehead when he first crawls out from the river, where Epitaph would be. And him being in his own dimension or whatever is King Crimson's doing, just out of his control.
In short, Giorno is now a 15 year old Crime Boss that says drugs are bad and Bruno was the real Jojo all along.
Its not exclusive to Diavolo. Araki explicitly states in the manga that the death loop will happen to anyone GER kills.
@@DamashiTheKaotic Can i get a screenshot?
@@brokentoy8616 Read the page where it displays GER's stats, and Araki explains what its ability is.
@@DamashiTheKaotic Well, damn. Really Midochlorian's up the mystery there.
Why is Giorno the one who gets meme'd with "Drugs Bad" when Bruno hates drugs more than Giorno ever did.
Giorno's deal is that he wants to be righteous like the Gangster that saved him, and he only ever said that selling them to kids was bad.
13:50 I forget where I read this, but Araki has said that part of what he really likes about part 5 is how the protagonists, despite growing up in terrible conditions, all end up on the side of justice. This is the first part where most of the heroes don’t come from a position of relative privilege. It kinda reminds me of how Josuke and Kira, despite being very similar in many aspects, end up as the good guy and bad guy. They both have issues with compulsive violence, and they both are motivated by returning to a quiet, peaceful life, their status quo. Josuke is different because he uses his compulsive violence for good, and wants peace for the entire town, not just himself. What’s great about this, is that it’s in direct conflict with Kira’s idea that he can’t change who he his and can’t control his actions; he’s full of shit.
This is exactly it.
Kira has a moment in which he could have changed - in the Stray Cat intro, when Shinobu is in danger and he feels worry for the first time in his life for someone else.
It means that deep down, there *was* a shred of good, there *was* a possibility for him to redeem himself. But he consciously avoids changing for the better
Well, there's also the fact that Josuke's compulsion has nothing to do with killing people.
Wow, just realized that not only the son of God literally kills Satan in this part, but also Mista literally shoots stigmatas into Scolppio's hands.
Scolppio's headband also resembles a crown of thorns
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Araki went to a catholic school as a kid, so religious themes and motifs were bound to be really common in Jojo, even if he's mostly doing it for the "Japan thinks Bible-stories, Christianity and its motifs are cool as hell" a la Evangelion, which only had those themes because they're near nonexistent in Japan and they look rad, which they are.
On the point of Abacchio and Narancia supposedly dying anyhow when "Diavolo kills everyone who knows about Trish..."
If Bruno had died to Rolling Stones, nearly nothing in Part 5 would've happened the same way.
- Bruno wouldn't recruit Giorno who wouldn't have killed Polpo.
- Bruno wouldn't have been given the job to protect Trish, thus not getting the gang involved eith the Boss and his shit.
All in all, the Gang Star Squad would've probably just had been mourning Bruno in the middle of fighting some new golden boy as well as an internal war with the Execution Squad.
I've always interpreted Mista's interference with Rolling Stones' power as, "Yes, Bruno stays alive, but now you've dragged Abacchio and Narancia into the same situation where they're fated to die."
I actual love how they handled giorno being dio and Jonathans son cause they never directly address it but his actions show it.He has his moral goals and is a good guy but he will brutally murders multiple people if he has to. In the chocolata fight even if he actually surrendered giorno was still going let's a beetle eat through his brain. He doing it to save people and chocolata definitely deserved it but it's still a bit sadistic. Hell one of the first things he does is rob tourist and use the money to buy kids ice cream. He's basically the goals of Jonathan with the actions of Dio
the difference between giorno and dio s that giorno may rob you but he won't hurt you unless you deserve it. Dio would murder a dog for petty revenge.
Jotaro also killed people. And has noble goals
@@flailingdragoon1072 Who outside of DIO did Jotaro murder. He beats people up but that's it.
@@meteorjohnson139 N'doul, forever, Dan (idc what people say he's dead, as well as Mariah),The captain.
@@meteorjohnson139 Actually he didn't kill N'doul, I got that one wrong
You could give Jotaro a bit more credit to his character. A good portion of Jotaro's emotions are in Star Platinum (which I feel is on purpose sometimes). Even then, Jotaro's can be pretty smug and funny when he wants to be. He's got a ton of smug smiles in the manga including a few genuinely happy ones.
Huh, that's a really good point. Meanwhile, Gold Experience is completely stoic throughout the entire part, doesn't even have emotive eyes until the end, and is a vague-as-fuck asspull machine until evolving into a glorified plot device. Sums up Giorno's character perfectly.
A super serious character wouldn't have one liners like "Yeah, we're friends; friends of justice" and "Nice watch, too bad you won't be able to read it once I break it; your face that is."
@@MrFanboy24 Also when Oingo disguised as Jotaro we pretty much learn Jotaro even likes to do party tricks for the amusement of the crew.
@@FriendlyDarkwraith I feel like that's really underselling Giorno's value as a character.
@@blackpants7385 He's got barely any value as a character. He got a little bit in the beginning and then he became a catalyst. That's it
Vento Aureo is the ultimate debate on biological determinism
It would've been the ultimate debate on biological determinism if Giorno being the son of Dio actually mattered though
If you enjoyed “the ultimate debate on biological determinism” then you’ll LOVE “the ultimate debate on philosophical determinism”!
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The thing about Joseph is that his gimmick is that he cheats at everything. Including death.
And his wife.
@@BasicXrazor Specially his wife.
Nigga, you just opened my 7th eye.
Giorno wanting to stop the drug trafficking also plays into the sleeping slave theme.
Being an addict means you will be drawn ( [GRAVITY] ) towards drugs and you will become enslaved by them ( [FATE] )
There can never be a truth to the fate of Diavolo
When did he die? Where did he die? How did he die? Who killed him? None of these questions will eve rhave a true answer
Find out in the next episode of Dragon Ball Z
in which woolie accidentally explains how part 5 is thematically rich and one of the best parts.
also, in my opinion, it's completely fine that giorno is somewhat secondary to bruno. giorno is the catalyst that unlocks bruno's true ambition in the beginning of the story, but bruno's death lays the path for giorno to make that dream a reality. it's okay to have two protagonists (see part 7). just because he's the jojo of the part doesn't mean it has to completely revolve around him. in addition, i think you're misunderstanding how the other characters react to giorno. he's not using his "charisma" to convince them that he should be their leader; he's trying to just be part of the gang at first. giorno slowly proves that he's capable and trustworthy over the course of the part, but the other members of bruno's gang still follow bruno first and foremost (except fugo lol).
speaking of fugo, i'm pretty sure he can barely control his stand so all the complaints about him being kicked out for being overpowered are kind of dumb.
I agree with your thoughts on Bruno and Giorno. I think what skews the footing they're on is that their respective roles as deuteragonist and protagonist are colored by their roles in the gang, and in the "heist gone wrong" story that Part 5 is modeled after.
It's easy to forget that Bruno was in a holding pattern until he crossed paths with Giorno, or that his best-laid plans in Part 5, and all the hype he gets from the rest of his team, are explained retroactively; he was a great man with solid plans and a real crew, on the cusp of further greatness, limiting himself with misplaced pragmatism. Giorno gave him the kick in the pants he needed to move forward; from that point on, all Bruno had to do was follow his initiative. And all Giorno wants to do is to rise up the ranks the right way - not by manipulating an idiot, but by following someone worth a damn, just like the rest of the crew.
With how the rest of Bucciarati's team all get introduced back to back, bringing the focus back to Bruno as they compare and contrast themselves to him, Bruno gets a lot of play. But chronologically, after the team squares up, they become a proper ensemble, and Bruno and Giorno are elevated only because they're shoring up the gaps in the team in their own ways. Bruno's the boss, and Giorno's perfectly satisfied with that - he's got a pocket sample of what he wants Passione to be in his team, and he'll only step up when he sees something that doesn't match his ideal. It makes him somewhat passive, and that means he doesn't pop out like the other protags, but considering that the rest of the series never had a protagonist like that before or since, it also makes him unique. Considering what Woolie mentioned about Giorno's unconscious defiance of fate, it's a good contrast for the son of Dio to put such a high value of fellowship, even if he doesn't express it all the time.
I'm sorry I wrote so much, I just really wanted to bounce off what you said.
@@sousedmonk7418 this is everything i wanted to say in my comment that i didn't have the words for. i appreciate it.
More than a full-on main character I feel Giorno serves more as a consolidation of the gang's hopes, as seen in the series' final moments. He is well developed, but instead of having a rich, fun personality he leaves that to the side characters and plays more the role of the savior.
The thing that I loved about part 5 was that it made me like EVERY character including the villains. Everything seemed so unique to me and it's honesty one of my favourite parts even tho the ending fight was a bit anti climactic, it was still awesome.
The ending fight was actually against Chariot Requiem.
Part 5 was like Part 3 redone with way more interesting characters and way better pacing! The only thing in Part 3 that challenged it in my opinion was DIO.
let's face it, despite being the big bad and the final foe, Diavolo isn't REALLY the final boss of Part 5. That's Silver Chariot Requiem, which was not only incredibly powerful and tricky and required a lot of thinking outside the box to defeat, but its mere presence was bringing about an apocalyptic level event.
Spoilers for Devilman and Jojo Part 5
It's funny how both Satan, from Devilman, and Diavolo are stuck in a time loop of torment. It's more like a punishment for their sins.
In the case of Devilman though, God is a dick. Sentencing humanity to repeat a long and painful existence alongside Satan until an apocalyptic end to just be reset and do it again is bullshit. Punish the primary target, not literally everyone else too as part of the main target's torture.
It'd be like if GER sentenced everyone on the planet to the same fate as Diavolo for shits and giggles.
I think what some people use as a criticism of Giorno's character, that he doesn't really "develop", doesn't make him a bad character as much as a different archetype.
Giorno's heritage is more of a symbolic/thematic thing, and his whole character is about how he changes and inspires the other characters around him, which is why people often say "Bruno is the main character", which he is. He's the typical main character with sympathetic motivations that goes through an arc. But Giorno is the driving force behind that, which is what makes him the *protagonist.* Plus there's no rule against multiple main characters.
Now, does this mean Giorno doesn't need more depth or that it wouldn't have been interesting if there was more of a dynamic between the Dio/Jonathan parts of him? No, of course not, I wish we got that too. But I don't think him being "flat" makes him a bad character.
Well, having an arc is not necessary, Joseph and Jonathan don't change but entertain. Being flat is a problem however because that implies that there isn't a character and nothing happens.
Giorno definitely feels more like an influencing "force" in the story rather than a main character (a "Golden Wind" if you will), and I think that's fine. It feels reminiscent of old myths (possibly Roman?), and that might have been the point on Araki's part.
There are instances of Giorno showing traits from Jonathan and DIO in the same scene though, like when at first he asks politely for a ride to the truck driver in the Kraft Work fight to instantly threaten him when he says no. Also in the scene where he uses compassion to bait Cioccolata and immediately murder him.
It's such a double standard, because Jonathan, Joseph, Jotaro and Josuke are JUST as flat and JUST as devoid of character development. Their personalities are exactly the same at the start as they are at the end. But for Gio that's suddenly a bad character.
Nearly all the other Jojo's experience some change. Except maybe Jonathan and arguably Jotaro. Giorno is a catalyst. And a bland one at that. He's never proven wrong, and when he's challenged, they quickly either fall to his side or get made a fool out of (Abbachio)
I like Fugo, It's nice to have atleast one guy who goes "But I don't want to sacrifice myself for everyone else" and goes off to run a bakery or something.
Right? That one guy with real world common sense
Snu-Snu Requiem: You will Never reach the Climax
It is essentially infinite blue-balling.
My head canon is that, because Giorno didn't get blonde hair or resemble Dio at all until he got a Stand, and because of how absurd and mean GER is, his Stand is ACTUALLY where all his Dio genes/soul bits went. Giorno with GER is ridiculous. GER being as it exists in itself and not telling Giorno it's powers? That smells like Brando.
May want to reread what I actually said, there's a few "becauses" in there.
It's a shame that Giorno kind of loses the few character quirks that he displays in the first chapters. Early Giorno was really charming. He stole wallets, briefcases, drank piss, he was a bit smug and arrogant (like a son of Dio should be) but then he just...faded into blandness. I still really like part 5 but I wish Giorno was like a more righteous version of Diego rather than what he ended up being.
I kinda feel this with Jotaro and Josuke too. They kinda get overshadowed by supporting cast and the main draw of their personalities at the start then usually gives way to them being rather stoic and one note while they just follow along with the plot.
I'd say Giorno has it the worst where at least Jotaro was kind of stoic by default so he just gets to be the same stubborn badass from start to finish. Josuke is somewhere in the middle I think.
Joseph definitely was the star of Part 2 though and I don't think he ever lost his charm even as things got plot heavy.
Joseph was the last Jojo with Character, we’ll see with Parts 6,7.
@@SchrodingerMil oh hell nah, can't speak for jolyne much, but johnny's a scum bag in the best kind of way
@@SchrodingerMil Jolyne is great! She has one of the most stand out personalities from any of the main cast with out being out shadowed by her supporting cast who are also pretty damn good.
Honestly this always made sense to me in context, his humorous and kind of affable nature immediately dissolved when he’s placed in near-death situations. I think if him and his “friends” weren’t always about to be killed we would have seen a lot more of his personality. The same if he was more a part of the group.
I also think him ending the series as the head of a CRIME SYNDICATE also keeps him _very_ different from the other Jojos.
That said, Diego is absolutely best Dio, even including Gio in the competition.
Giorno was overpowered since day one to be fair.
I will never get over the stupid way he counters Purple Haze's virus.
@@DesignDoc Fugo : My stand is so OP you guys.
Gold Experience : no it isn't.
I subscribe to the idea that Bruno feeling more like the main character is very much an intentional part of the story. It's like Giorno's literal plan for becoming the boss from the very beginning. He knows he's just some nobody that no one in the gang will respect or acknowledge the authority of, so instead he attaches himself to Bruno, who's already established and revered in the organization, and uses him to accomplish what would normally take years of work in a week. Instead of starting out as a grunt and having to spend years working for the organization, building up a rep and rising through the ranks, he can just tag along with someone who's already a capo and take a massive shortcut.
He's more or less deceiving the rest of the gang into thinking they're helping Bruno rise through the ranks, when in truth they're actually working towards Giorno's ends instead. This is why there's so much emphasis on the gang being dicks to Giorno at first, because it establishes why having Bruno as the face of their plan is so important. Bruno is the charismatic leader that everyone trusts, and all Giorno has to do is sit back and ride it out. Not having to be a proper leader and getting to basically be a background character is a situation that Giorno and Bruno intentionally engineer for him. In fact when you think about it it's actually kind of a parallel to Diavolo and Doppio, the idea of hiding yourself behind another face and manipulating things from the shadows while actually being out in broad daylight. Just like Doppio was able to constantly be around the gang without them knowing the main villain is literally right there, so too does Giorno get to hang around and act like the weird, quiet new guy without them knowing that he's actually using them to take over their entire organization.
Also Giorno doesn't defeat Diavolo because he gets a power up. He defeats Diavolo because he gets the arrow. Obtaining requiem and sentencing him to his fate is basically just the epilogue of the actual battle. The real fight is the struggle to get the arrow in the first place, which they do actually earn by out smarting and out maneuvering Diavolo. It's just like in part 4. The heroes don't win because a truck conveniently shows up and kills Kira, the heroes win by outsmarting him and stopping Bites the Dust from activating. The cause of Kira's death is just the aftermath of his defeat. Same with Diavolo. His defeat wasn't him getting hit by GER, it was in failing to get the arrow: him giving in to Trish's taunting, being out maneuvered by their strategy and teamwork, and ultimately getting out smarted by Bruno's plan to destroy SCR at the last moment.
As the requiem plays for our gold experience the sleeping slaves of fate have been set free but don't despair for we all are a little closer to heaven.
If you guys read purple haze and learned more about the drug side of the mafia it might shift your opinion a little more on how much Diavolo deserved to go that way. Super pumped for part 6, it's my favorite part, I mean part 7 is hands down the best part but Stone Ocean is still my fav.
plus diavolo killed a LOT of people, even if he wasn't as sadistic as Ciocolatta
You and me both on part 6, it's my favorite but part 7 is just so good I can't say it's the best.
I honestly like Bruno as a main characther more than any other Jojo in the anime.
Bruno best mom
Yeah past the first few episodes it kinda felt like Bruno was the protagonist while Giorno was just his extremely clever and dedicated ally.
I remember saying “Gyro is best Jojo” for months while I was reading SBR lol, two absolutely GOD-tier deuterotagonists.
It’s just kinda weird how they set up Jotaro and Koichi searching for Giorno because he’s the son of Dio but it ultimately doesn’t matter. Also a missed opportunity to bring back Polnareff who also fought Dio and is now working with the son of Dio and that doesn’t get brought up at all
Koichi said he was cool so jotaro went back to looking at fish
That was to establish that despite being very similar to Dio, he ultimately wasn't like him and had good intentions so they just let him be.
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*dolphins
I'd like to also point out how fucking dumb sending Koichi alone was to a country he knows almost nothing about, with no back up, support, or information on his target at all while the person he is looking for is the son of the most DANGEROUS MAN JOTARO HAS EVER MET!
This could have turned out two ways, Koichi would have died and Jotaro would have the blood of a fucking high school kid on his hands, or things turn out good and Koichi calls him back eventually. I think Jotaro really should have went to go check himself since he later ignores his own child to go searching for Dio's crap anyway and fails spectacularly at even that, I mean for all he knew that wasn't even Koichi on the other side of the line or Koichi was just tricked like what happened with Rohan.
My biggest complaint with Part 5 is that it starts off basically advertising Dio as much as possible, but he really has no influence on the story at all besides being the head that was piloting the dick that created the main character. I think Pat puts it perfectly in that Giornno could have just been Dio but with good intentions instead which would have been more entertaining, but we got a mild Jonathan at BEST with very few Dio bits sprinkled around and a piece of wood to fill in the large gaps between them.
P: Hey, just so you know, your father was a dick.
G: Is that so?
P: Yes.
G: I see.
P: ...
G: ...
P: Anyway, about the removal of drugs...
It's not like there would be much to talk about.
To me the peak Giorno moment was the fight against White Album, when Mista was constantly thinking they were fucked but Giorno wouldn't give up. I think a main character with that kind of unwavering faith can be interesting, but sadly Giorno just lost the spotlight to Bruno.
Also he was driving in the middle of the fucking road and when Mista was like "CAN YOU EVEN DRIVE?" and Gio was like "no I'm like 14"
The fact that pat kinda shits on fugos bugs me. Fugo was originally supposed to be the boss's inside man and didn't get a flashback in the manga, but araki didn't want to go through with because he felt it would be too dark. I am 90% sure the green day fight was originally supposed to be purple haze.
Well the Fugo that he is shitting on is the Fugo we got,not what Araki planned.
The Fugo we got was smart cause he wouldve died for sure.
Fugo did nothing wrong.
He was mostly right, wasn't he? Narancia and Abbachio did end up dying.
Can't hate him for being logical about the situation, seeing as he's the most logical character in the group. It might not be your typical Shonen response to such a decision, but I think that it ends up working in the end.
I would have preferred Araki's original plan for him, but I'm not angry with what we got.
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For sure, though like I said, I don't dislike him because of that.
Jotaro demonstrated the ability to pick up and learn new skills incredibly fast when he played Oh! That's A Baseball against D'Arby despite never having played a video game before, foreshadowing how he would learn the timestop after seeing Dio do it. He also used his bluffing abilities demonstrated in the OTHER D'Arby encounter, with his incredible poker face, to punk Dio multiple times.
Having "he yells at his mom" as a plus for a fun personality quirk is the best.
I wish that theory about how Giorno became the boss was explicitly canon, because then we would have a scene with a very enthusiastic "Kono Gio da!"
30:38 is just a lovely bit of explaining why Jotaro Jotaros
The way I understood Rolling Stones changing was that, had the whole fight between Mista and the stone not happened, Fugo would've gone to investigate the death of Leaky Eye Luca as per Bruno's original orders, therefore Bruno and Giorno never meet and have their moment where Giorno convinces him to fight against the boss. But right after the stone is destroyed, Bruno changes the order, deciding to go investigate it himself, and have Fugo try to figure out from Mista what was going on. Right after that conversation, the stone changes to show Bruno, Narancia, and Abbachio. Therefore Mista shooting the stone didn't actually kill Narancia and Abbachio directly, but his actions did result in Giorno actually joining the gang. Had he not done that, presumably Fugo might have even beaten Giorno, then Bruno would have become a Capo eventually (perhaps with the money from the old man who asked to have Rolling Stones' user be killed), been given the mission to bring Trish to the boss, made it to Venice, tried to fight the boss after realising his true intention was to kill Trish (as he does anyway), and then been killed, but without Giorno around to heal him.
In other words, if not for Mista, Part 5 wouldn't have happened lol. That's just what I assumed when I saw the episode anyway.
To be completely fair, in a worse timeline, Diavolo would have gotten the arrow and Giorno would somehow beat him, because in nearly every story ever, the villain’s plan ends up happening despite the plot being about preventing it. If anything, Diavolo getting the arrow stolen from him was a breath of fresh air.
Reminder that Diavolo is the only Jojo villain that doesn't get any power up unless part 8 change that. Spoilers bellow
-Dio becomes a Vampire
-Kars becomes the Ultimate life form
-Dio gets a Stand
-Kira gets Bite the Dust
-Pucci gets C-Moon and Made in Heaven
-Valentine gets Love Train
Diavolo is the only one who stays the same.
I mean, the better version is that Giornno beats Diavolo with out the arrow, ether by destroying it before he can use it to kill them all or to make sure it isn't taken from him. This would result in both expectations being subverted ( I feel gross saying that ), and it becomes a battle of Giornno's wits over Diavolo's overwhelming advantage in Stand Power.
That's pretty much what was missing with Part 5, a direct clash between the main hero and villain, and while yes that happens in very part, it happens for a reason because we enjoy those conflicts as you get more things out of them than a simple instant victory.
@@ghirahimlefabuleux8984 Dio in part 3 basically started with a stand, so that doesn't really count. That said, he does get that mid battle "power up" from sucking Joseph's blood.
Also can’t wait to part 6 where we find out nothing matters.
HAHAHA
pucci did nothing wrong.
Except everything mattered. Ffs the only people affected by it were the ones that got killed by Pucci. Everyone else is still the same.
So really just Part 6 doesn't matter
It’s not the results that matter, it’s the friends we made and then lost along the way.
@@BonBanagher Kekka dake da nokoru.
So the main character can pull and scp 3999, or maybe an AM from i have no mouth. It's a weird power for a main character to have
Especially a hero
@@Abdega exactly.
Scp 3999?
@@coldfrost3 author with god powers messing with a bloke for millions of years. Format and style of story keeps changing, then at the end he starts talking sirectly to the reader about how he went through ideas for the story.
Link here: www.scp-wiki.net/scp-3999
The thing about the kira fight is its a team effort. Kira is basically worn down by the combined efforts of Josuke, Okuyasu, Hayato and Jotaro, with the final attack pushing him into the bath of the ambulance that killed him. KIRA, the most low key, lowest level big bad in the series takees the efforts of like four people to take him down. Diavolo, the big bad crime boss, is basiccally a footnote comapred to the threat of SIlver CHariot requiem and it basically just takes Bruno giving the arrow to Girono for girono to just win easily.
Whose ready for gay priests and gender changes.
I’m ready for characters so gay they fly around with rainbows following them 🌈
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「Weather Report」
don't forget zombie plankton girl
I finally got back to reading part 6, because I ain't waiting another 2 years for that shit.
I'm definitely ready for "Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Part 6: Mickey is Unfindable".
"If there is no Mickey, this shit ain't Disney!"
Also snails, homonculi and the KKK.
Also Dolphins.
Diavolo gets exactly what he wants. If Giorno was "the boss all along" then he never existed. Trish is the only trace of him ever existing.
Johnny In part 7 has a really good line about wanting to get back to zero that really reached me. It's the best line that tells you who he is.
I definitely agree with the point that Giorno could have had a more inner struggle over being both a Joestar and a Brando son, and Pat is right on the fact GER's ability is definitely a nightmare stand not suited for a hero but Giorno always reminded me of more of anti hero.
It would have been awesome if Giorno showed up during part 6 but I completely understand why not because he's broken with GER. Also it would have taken away from Jolyne(but Weather kinda tried that, and Emporio at the end).
Also, Diavolo can see the future and now all he can ever see is him dying, unable to stop it.
My biggest issue with Part 5 is also how vanilla Giorno is. You'd expect the son of Dio to be explored more as a character but he's kind of just a good guy with a dream. Bruno and Mista are some of the best Jobros though so Part 5 is still worth going through.
"Hey, you wanna control reality so bad? Have infinite realities you have no control over." Diavolo gets it pretty hard.
I personally don't know which part I'd call the worst for JoJo. I think Part 6 has higher highs but also lower lows compared to Part 5. That said, JoJo at it's worst is still pretty dang good, and I greatly look forward to seeing Jolyne "Balls Deep" Cujoh on screen in a couple years, probably.
Easy. Part 1 worst part. Done and done
Everyone knows Joseph’s ghost speech to Jotaro was just a PRANK BROO he was like, “oh I’m a ghost?? This’ll be hilarious!”
A sequel side story where Giorno conflicts with GER over its autonomous actions would have been great.
You have to read PHF, Woolie. Fugo went from just a cool character to my second favorite character in the entire series. It's so damn interesting.
Wasn't wrote by Araki? Then who cares.
@@diegomedina9637 Most of the community, actually. But ok.
@@diegomedina9637 the jojo fandom obviously, but don't worry when your opinion is wrong
Aw yeah, hyped for the Slavecast
There was this one scene from Yu Yu Hakusho when Kurama put Young Togoro in a chase loop in his mind and since he couldn't not die, he have to suffer with no end.
Jonathan: Honor
Joseph: Cunning
Jotaro: Justice
Josuke: Family/Friendship
Giorno: Resolve
Jolyne.... Grand Theft Auto?
Fugo sucks because Araki wussed out on a really good narrative structure cause it made him have the bad feels. There's an alternate reality where Fugo is the best character.
Huge bummer they didnt adapt Purple Haze Feedback for the anime
I always assumed that Mista destroying Rolling Stones was what allowed Bruno to be pseudo-ressurected by Giorno: If Mista hadn't destroyed Rolling Stones, the healing would have failed, just like with Josuke and his grandfather, and Giorno and the gang would have lost Trish and their chance at finding Diavolo. They would lose, but Abbachio and Narancia would have lived. However, because Rolling Stones' destruction prevented Bruno's death from sticking, they continued with the rebellion, which Fate allows only at the cost of Narancia and Abacchio's lives.
That also means that Bruno's undead condition wasn't actually a Gold Experience effect, but rather a latent effect from Rolling Stones' destruction.
Thank you guys for summing up why I love Jotaro.
Does pat not get that Giorno having the arrow in his hand at the end means GER is done for. Like maybe Giorno can call upon it eventually, but as a stand is itself sentient (seemingly unlike Silver chariot requiem) and can most likely pull its punches. Much like crazy diamond, its ability isn’t always on when it punches. So Even if Giorno still had full access to GER, then both him and the stand would probably never use that ability unless it needs to
He kept the arrow, so he has access to it still.
General Penny But GER spit it out of its own will, not Giorno’s. It’s very much ambiguous if he can still use it a second time
@@Fox_Olive Well he can summon it, but wether GER will actually help depends on its own judgement. I guess you're right.
@@Fox_Olive I'd argue that it's a case of Giorno can load the gun, but it's up to GER whether they pull the trigger, yknow?
I think, much like Chariot Requiem, when the arrow fell out of Gold Experience it returned to its original state. There is no confirming this, but it would make sense that your Stand needs the arrow to remain in Requiem.
Justice4CheeseBoi. PHF When?!?
PHF is fucking trash.
If you want an anime that utilizes the idea of luck really well, Gundam Thunderbolt is a great choice. I know Woolie saw it, but anyone interested should definitely give it a watch.
I gotta say, by the end of Jojo Part 5, it felt more like an origin story for a villain than it does a hero.
Like Pat said, he has a villain's Stand ability. He ends the story in charge of the entire mafia. He has one of the arrows, which lets him make as many superpowered henchmen as he wants. And he's still the son of DIO.
With most of his friends dying and him seeming so detached at the end, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the next time he showed up, he had made a slide into villainy.
Can’t wait for part 6
Arigato, Woolie...
This was my first JoJo I loved it
Knowing your stand power is like knowing your emotions, you know what they are, but putting them into words can take you a while, and when you start thinking of them so literally, you can miss details, like Giorno misunderstanding his power at first. Likewise, GER is so immense that Giorno has no way to process exactly what it does in time, however he still knows what he has to do for it to work
Nice, some Jotaro appreciation : )
Joseph: "Jotaro just got done destroying Dio and saved my life. _I gotta fuck with him!"_
Theres a theory I have heard that is pretty interesting about Jotaro, claiming that he has Autism-Aspergers and to less of an extent, deaf in his right ear. His social interactions fall in line with the spectrum and there has been times where he should absolutely hear something, but doesnt, because the gun he shot right next to his ear in the beginning of Stardust Crusaders would have heavily impaired his hearing with how close it was.
Also, there is no way the Moriohcho gang outsmarted Kira Yoshikage. The only person he has to blame for his death is himself and how he dealt with Hayato.
Stop saying Fugo was casted aside because of Purple Haze, Araki had a plan but he dropped it, and even if he stayed Abbachio said Fugo don't let PH goes out often because of how wild and uncontrollable things could get and Fugo ONLY used PH against MitM because he was sure they were alone. So yeah, even if he stayed, he would just be a guy standing there because the fucker is afraid of his stand as much or even more as anyone else.
I've always wondered if Gold Experience Requiem's power to "Return to 0" is literally only that gnarly on Diavolo. Like under normal circumstances it'd probably just rewind time/the state of something to it's original point. But when used in King Crimson's Erased Time, It's like trying to set a null value to 0, so it's stuck in a loop.
Nah. That's legit just his stand ability. He can send anyone into a infinite loop of suffering like he did to diavolo. Given that he punches them with the intent to kill them. At least from what ive gathered. I'm no jojo string theory scientist tho.
This is what I've been saying about the whole Giorno being Dio's son thing for so long, and I'm glad that it's a point of discussion right now. It's mentioned once early on to try and give this convoluted explanation of how Giorno is technically a Joestar, and he does his mudamudamuda, but beyond that, the idea is never explored. Heck, I have to question if Araki even did that with any legitimate intent in mind for the character, or if it was just a way for him to break away from the Japan setting (and inadvertently give him the freedom to do another part in Italy, a place he's known to be infatuated with).
i think that the implication from Rolling Stones is that before Mista broke the stone, the timeline would have had Bucciarati die from King Crimson in the church, presumably because they did not meet Giorno, and so delivered Trish as commanded, Bucciarati went after her when she was spirited away by King Crimson, and Bruno was killed in the basement. Mista breaking the stone only shifted their line of fate so that they met Giorno, setting them off on another line of adventure that resulted in more deaths, but the defeat of Diavolo.
Mista isn't fated to die. Abbacchio, Naranchia, and Buccelatti are the only ones who were on rolling stone.
I love this series.
Saying that josuke outsmarted Kira is such a disjustice to MVP Hayato’s efforts
Part 5 is one of my favorite JoJo parts, but I never really noticed the themes of fate that are so prevalent with Diavolo and his fight I don't know if the translation I read didn't use the word fate as much as the anime, or if I'm retarded, but its great that Giorno's final Boss is an embodiment of "fate" considering DIO's whole deal was trying to twist fate in his favor.
Part 5 is "Fate and Catholicism: The Manga"
Castle Super Beast is sponsored by Starbucks Cold Brew lol the way Woolie held that bottle made me laugh
GER still has a massive weakness. Its not always active, Giorno has to stab himself each time he wants to bring it up. At the end when the arrow drops next to him its implied GER just switched back to GE just like when Polnareff took the arrow from SCR
The original reason why Fugo was written out was he was supposed to betrayed the group to Diavalo and Gionro was supposed to kill him But Araki who was going through some rough stuff at the same time kind of related to Fugo and didn’t want to want to break the bond the Gang has decided write him off instead
They're pretty hard on Fugo for quitting when faced with the threat of a time warping demigod who rules over the most powerful criminal organization in Italy. Who they all worked for up to that point and indirectly gave him every real opportunity he ever had.
Ooh here's an idea for a RE2 mod! Leon or Claire as Mista and MrX as Rolling Stones!
Man, seeing Polpo get his brains blown out because of Giorno gave me hope that he would be at least devilish and devious like Dio, but for noble goals. Then the rest of his character happened.
As an anime watcher only, I assumed that part 5 probably the most mature(?) plots so far, without spoiling anything, does it get better than this on the future later on?
Depending on what genre you like, sure nigga.
After hearing Woolie and Pat's final thought's, I'm almost 100% sure that they will love Stone Ocean and all of it's insanity
Man, I honestly cannot wait for the Yo-yo ma arc.
Gather up the dust from rolling stones, then sprinkle it over biggie smalls, still floating in the ocean.
Oh god, they nailed jotaro so hard I’m bawling
Everything was Mistas' fault.
Part 5 in a nutshell: Nature vs Nurture, and how you aren't bound by fate because of your blood, but ultimately by your own actions
On the topic of *PROPHECY STONES* , I guess you could say... No one can escape the fate that was chosen for them~? Eh? Eh? Get it?
You could even say that Diavolo is singing a song of sorrow in a world where time has vanished?
Also the fucking stone is in the very FIRST frame of the first opening. God dammit, DP.
Speaking of the sculptor being Jesus, he sure did get shot through both hands in a pretty specific way, huh?
I like the josuke kira fight a lot. I feel like it’s underrated.
also i think the whole 'two-year pregnancy' thing was because the explorers that Polnareff mentions, who found the meteor and the guys were exposed to the virus, and the one got a stand power before dying, i think that was Diavolo's dad. I think he had sex with Diavolo's mother, went on the expadition and she went to prison, and then he got a Stand, it passed through his energy to his potential child like Dio passing Stands on to the Joestars, and it kickstarted Diavolo.
yeah, fugos power would have been a real problem in those crowded areas... if only there was a stand that could make an anti-venom for no reason.