How To Be a Better Photographer In 5 Easy Steps.

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  • @robowen3450
    @robowen3450 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Long time subscriber but never commented before. Thank you for such a thoughtful and thought provoking video. As a relatively new photographer I saw many of the points you make in my own efforts. Notably the quest for image perfection over image content and the ego boost of “likes” on social media.
    I am certainly going to try and be mindful of what you say as I move forward. Thanks again for this video and all your other content - your style is a refreshing change from a lot of what’s out there and I’m so glad you don’t subject us to an opening of coffee brewing and some of the other antics.

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thank you for your kind comments and I'm glad you found the video useful.

  • @NunoAlexandreMB
    @NunoAlexandreMB 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I'm very fortunate to have found you from the very start of my photography journey and can't emphasize enough what a beautiful influence you are for me. Both through your work and through your attitude. Every time i watch your videos I feel calm and energised to go out and shoot for the beauty of itself. Thanks, Kevin

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks Nuno. That's lovely to hear.

  • @JohanEssenceExplorer
    @JohanEssenceExplorer 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In 2017 I got a XT1 for street photography because of you then an xpro2. I never wanted to do weddings I always liked street photography even though I’ve gotten into fights because of it in the streets of NYC. Last Saturday I did my first wedding as a Documentary Wedding Photographer. I did the wedding with 2 xpro2 18mm f2 and 35 f1.4. And a small flash at night. Thanks for the inspiration I hope I get more weddings.

    • @ac1646
      @ac1646 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Have to give you props for what you are now doing. Well done. 😍😍😎😎😁😁

  • @DragonEye1911
    @DragonEye1911 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yours is the only channel by far that i watch from beginning to end. I hope you keep making videos like this one. Bravo!

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you so much. It means a lot and helps me keep up the momentum here.

  • @-grey
    @-grey 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love these tips. Timeless advice. I can understand the value of black and white vision, but personally I try to see in colour because I want colour to be a character or a subject in my composition often. I shoot street, doc, and travel mostly. It's not a colour critical genre at all, but I find colour contrast draws my eye when I'm out and about more than light contrast, and gives me another tool in my belt to guide focus through particularly a layered scene. It also means that flat, overcast, or poor light isn't as frustrating as it used to be.
    Excellent video. 🙏

  • @moseshongangchang868
    @moseshongangchang868 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have been following your works for many years now and I have learned a lot from your pictures on shooting only black and white and also did some photo films for a client work, which they loved it a lot. Keep educating and sharing us your invaluable insights. Thank you and cheers.

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you, and I'm glad the photo films worked out.

  • @JessieMills-lm7mv
    @JessieMills-lm7mv หลายเดือนก่อน

    Such a helpful and encouraging video. Thank you!

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @innercityunit2112
    @innercityunit2112 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Visualizing a scene in black and white can be immensely beneficial for a photographer. By mentally stripping away colour, the photographer is compelled to focus on the inherent tonal contrasts, textures, and shapes within the scene. This heightened awareness of light and shadow allows for a more precise understanding of how they interact and contribute to the composition. It encourages the photographer to seek out strong lines, patterns, and contrasts that might otherwise be overshadowed by colour distractions.
    Furthermore, envisioning the scene in black and white encourages a deeper exploration of mood and emotion, as the absence of colour often enhances the dramatic impact of an image. Ultimately, by pre-visualizing in black and white, photographers can cultivate a sharper eye for composition and a more nuanced understanding of the visual elements that contribute to compelling imagery, resulting in more powerful and evocative photographs.
    Great video and P Mode should be part of every photographers arsenal, and don't forget, you can still adjust ISO and exposure compensation, very quickly (and other settings) to fine-tune the exposure or achieve a specific look/creative effect. There are many roads that lead to Rome, and it's all great fun!

  • @tonykeltsflorida
    @tonykeltsflorida 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Canon FV mode has become my favorite. I used to mostly use AV until I got a M6 mark II, Once I discovered FV, I knew I would always use it. Everyone has a favorite mode. I do some themes. Caturday,, Monochrome Monday and stuff like that.

  • @jeffwilcox9987
    @jeffwilcox9987 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    11:58. Thank you! I rarely shoot in program mode. I’ve felt that a ‘real photographer’ wouldn’t shoot in that mode and to get real photos, you need to dial in all the setting etc. The fact that you use that so often really shook me. I need to adjust my thinking! Thank you for saying this…. I have a photo shoot outdoors today and I’m going to look into some of the auto shooting.

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I hope the shoot went well :-)

  • @MichaelKussmaul
    @MichaelKussmaul 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very good tips from a talented photographer. Especially the one about the "likes" on Instagram & co.
    Which exposure metering mode do you use in P-Mode?

  • @gman3447
    @gman3447 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love all of your work Kevin , Been a fan for many years , And on your love for FUJI I purchased the XT2 and absolutely love it , Thank you for your advise on the Fuji products. Keep them coming your a amazing photograher Many thanks .

  • @sevemiller
    @sevemiller 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve been following your work for many years now and have always been a huge fan of your documentary style wedding photography. Thanks for putting this video together! Loved all of your advice but particularly fond of becoming a better observer and embracing the imperfect. Great words to think of when I find myself falling back into the trap of taking repetitive, predictable images. Thanks Kevin!

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks, Steve, for the lovely comment. I hope you are doing well

    • @sevemiller
      @sevemiller 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kevin_mullins All good here, Kevin. Thanks!

  • @ac1646
    @ac1646 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you soooo much Kevin. I'm a graphic designer not a pro photographer. I shot my step-sons wedding party (party for friends two days after the ceremony) and thought so many were 'capturing the moment' but quite a few turned out to be not 'razor sharp'. Some had motion blur too but I chose them for context. But then I went into deep doubt (with the voices in your head screaming at you) because the photographer of the ceremony was a professional film editor. 😲🤔😒
    This has given me my self-confidence back and I hope it has to many others watching.

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you. Glad it was helpful.

  • @blackhrt62
    @blackhrt62 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lovely family! Great advice, thank you. 🤓👍

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching!

  • @grantrobertdavies
    @grantrobertdavies 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great Video :) I’m going to try that black and white shooting technique for sure :) Many thanks…

  • @probesmedia71
    @probesmedia71 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another really informative video, Kevin. Being a better observer is really important tip and clearly explained. I have been using my Fuji in A mode for a while now and it makes picture making fun. Lovely collection of images at the end too.

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you ☺️

  • @brucesorrell3647
    @brucesorrell3647 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for one of the most helpful, well thought out, kind, and convincingly presented dope slaps I've had the pleasure of finding. The truth behind each of those five bits of advice made me stop and question how I've been going about my photography. Many thanks for the wake up call, and now to go and set my Fuji to A. A. and A. Slainte !

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you. I'm glad you liked it :-) Slainte!

  • @antonengblom
    @antonengblom 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My friend, you pretty much sum up all the things I strive to put words on. But you nail the words far better than me. Good video! Thank you.

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you enjoyed it.

  • @carlosmozephoto
    @carlosmozephoto 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dear Kevin! Thank You for all of your insight. It has been quite a few years since I bought my XT3, challenging every "serious photographer" while photographing action sports with a Fuji camera. Love the podcast and my best regards to Neale James. Promising myself every week to drop a question, but incredibly busy. Thank You for your hard work to keep this channel going . Cheers Carlos

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks Carlos. Send in a question any time :-)

    • @carlosmozephoto
      @carlosmozephoto 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kevin_mullins Very kind of you (apologies for the late reply). Cheers

  • @brianw6645
    @brianw6645 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fantastic content. You capture interesting moments like no other. Some of your tips, I've never heard before. Thumbs up 👍.

  • @garywasserman2275
    @garywasserman2275 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for the great advice. I will put them into practice this week! Sincerely Gary

  • @davet3530
    @davet3530 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you Kevin. You make some great points and I couldn't agree with you more on your view of that older wedding photo in B&W. I despair sometimes when listening to comments about noise on images, and blown highlights etc. Pick up older (and i'm only talking of about 1980/90 etc) photo books and look at the work of great photographers like Steve McCurry etc. Marvellous images that capture the moment. There is a saying that Rick Sammon (another well known photographer) uses - If you are looking at the noise then its not an interesting photograph.

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks Dave - and yes, I totally agree :-)

  • @robinchun1
    @robinchun1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautiful end segment Kevin.. for me I'm reminded of something John Lennon said 'life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans' that means, for me, while you're working hard to keep a roof over you're head etc: etc: time is slipping by and before you know it the kids have left home and are having kids of their own! what I'm trying to say, rather badly, making images like this is a great legacy as well as a great family album.. treasure the moments with your family, because as I say, they will slip by way too fast!
    Sorry for the long post but I hope you get my drift.

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, of course I get your drift, Robin. Thanks as always for your kind words.

  • @allyvelzian
    @allyvelzian 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Loving and agreeing with all the tips 👌

  • @sarahbatsford4791
    @sarahbatsford4791 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You popped up in my feed & glad it did. I enjoyed the inspiration. Subscribed.

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Awesome! Thank you!

  • @brsaravia
    @brsaravia 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Happy Birthday Albie !! Thank you for sharing your knowledge Kevin ..... 5 great advice !

  • @armandolopez735
    @armandolopez735 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great tips :)
    Ps. Did you use the x70 for the birthday photos? Of the 23mm f2? I think was the x70 :)

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They were taken on an X100S :-)

  • @mortenjensen2457
    @mortenjensen2457 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brilliant video once again Kevin. Thank you.

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you enjoyed it

  • @Semicolonjournals
    @Semicolonjournals 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video kevin! I agree with the use of P mode in fujifilm x-t5.

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching!

  • @illustratedjournal
    @illustratedjournal 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the great tips. I counted "shoot in spot meter mode" as another tip!

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, definitely a tip right there.

  • @loufonolleras5544
    @loufonolleras5544 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ❤ Another great one Kev!

  • @GrantJ
    @GrantJ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great tips thanks

  • @ronald7482
    @ronald7482 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Kevin
    Great advice
    What do you recommend to make a group shoot of 4 persons? Which exposure
    2.8? And also spot meeting?

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If the light is fine, I usually play it safe at around f5.6.

  • @maurosampaio6238
    @maurosampaio6238 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excelente vídeo! Felicidades para seu filho, para você e para toda sua família. Abraços do Brasil!

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you 🙏

  • @CDally
    @CDally 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really excellent tips as always Kevin, thanks ❤

  • @Bobcat-1967
    @Bobcat-1967 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was truly inspiring, not shot in P mode for the 5 years I've had a camera. This will be my next street setting.

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, try it. It's very liberating and a lot of fun.

  • @rgwightman
    @rgwightman 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well done sir, thanks for all you do!

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you kindly!

  • @thepathofbri
    @thepathofbri 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very nice video, enjoyed and agree with all your points. Especially “currency of likes”. Love the “24 hour film” at the end. Very special.

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @jinksbaker
    @jinksbaker 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cheers, Kevin.
    A timely reminder of the important things - the things that make the difference.
    Albie's a bit bigger now. "Errrrr, dad, stop it with your camera."
    KBO.

  • @nigelhoward7403
    @nigelhoward7403 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really good advice. It will help me a lot. A big thanks :)

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @tonycook1532
    @tonycook1532 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another ace video Kevin, thank you!

  • @thierry.semblat
    @thierry.semblat หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks a lot for these tips ! Just a question : Do you often use manual focus? Or hardly ever?

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      My cameras are always in Manual Focus mode, but I use BBF as Auto-Focus. Extremely rare for me to "manual focus" these days.

    • @thierry.semblat
      @thierry.semblat หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kevin_mullins Thanks Kevin. While using the OVF most of the time? Perhaps you described your process in one of your videos?

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      OVF or EFV doesn't really matter. I use the AF-L button on the back for focus lock. With the camera in manual focus mode, this divorces the shutter button from focusing, meaning everything is a lot quicker.

    • @thierry.semblat
      @thierry.semblat หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kevin_mullins I was just curious as to whether you were one of the photographers who mainly use the OVF (there seem to be fewer and fewer of them) or the EVF. But thanks anyway!

  • @rrapids
    @rrapids 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like your photos. I learned your video. Thanx a lot. When you shoot candid photos, are you always using burst mode?

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you. Extremely rarely burst mode. Perhaps for recessional at weddings but that's about it.

  • @zathraspersonal
    @zathraspersonal 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video Kevin. i have already internalised some of the things you talk about e.g. shooting in mono but still can't get my head around shooting in P mode. For weddings in particular I need to control shutter speed and depth of field and for street, shutter speed is important for either freezing or creating movement. How would that work in p mode?

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yea, of course, if you want to control these things for creative effect then you would. Though I rarely do that. Shutter Speed is controlled by auto ISO - I set it to a minimum of 1/125 and that works for both weddings and street (unless I'm shooting slow SS for motion etc).

    • @zathraspersonal
      @zathraspersonal 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kevin_mullins Ah that makes sense. I normally have this set when in aperture priority and auto ISO

  • @paultaylorphotography9499
    @paultaylorphotography9499 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome video Kevin. I started out shooting black and white in the late 70s. To this day I often shoot black and white film, and when shooting colour especially of people I generally do a mon conversion, I just love it. Funnily enough just before digital kicked ff I shot a wedding of an older couple, they knew their stuff, they wanted black and white HP5, nothing else. I told them better to shoot in colour then I can get a set printed in black and white as well, because you know colour can divert the eyes away from things....but no they're were adamant H5 only. Fair play so I shot the wedding handed them the prints, laddo was fizzing he was well chuffed, lassie was very quiet. A few days later I got a call asking for a meeting with them, she went off at me for making her look haggered wtf, laddo was sat silently, I tried to explain black n white hides nothing that why I suggested a colour shoot. I felt like crap, she was not happy, finally laddo stood up said mate you did a great job, I love the photos, and when my wife sses her the way I see her she will love them too, before he finished the lastword I was out the door fast as fek, it put me off weddings for a while.

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wow. That's quite some story!!!

    • @paultaylorphotography9499
      @paultaylorphotography9499 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kevin_mullins haha yeah it was my wort ever reaction to any job I've shot, apart from dodgy buggers at court jobs, they are generally less than pleased to see me haha

  • @TLM823
    @TLM823 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great advice, Kevin!

  • @aslancine
    @aslancine 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome video Kevin 🔥 great advice👌🏼

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you liked it!

  • @alumiracle3406
    @alumiracle3406 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks ❤

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You're welcome 😊

  • @iSchneggs
    @iSchneggs 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    BRILLIANT!! ty!!

  • @lenseesnapper
    @lenseesnapper 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for these thoughtful and thought-provoking tips. Always enjoy your videos. I shot solely in colour for years and measured the results in 'pop'. But I reckon my photography has improved much more since I started shooting and seeing in B&W. Now all I have to do is wean myself off the likes......;-)

  • @pierrecrampagne6826
    @pierrecrampagne6826 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Très agréable instant de vie en Angleterre. Chaque photo est très belle, on retrouve un mariage indien, dont la mariée est belle, ensuite
    la vue du pont où on se trouve, et la vue de la fête et de l'anniversaire avec une ambiance très agréable.J'aime particulièrement votre vidéo,elle résume à elle seule la vie dans de Pays.

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Merci. Je suis heureux que vous l'ayez apprécié. Passe une bonne semaine.

  • @osoperezoso2608
    @osoperezoso2608 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I try to tell people, it's all about the moment. Sure we need to take into account light, composition, etc but above all, it's the moment.

  • @mikecollins5261
    @mikecollins5261 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Joe Buissink’s home webpage has a beautiful shot of a bride kissing her new husband. It’s slightly out of focus. Content. Moments. Oh. And he uses/used P mode a lot of the time.

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Correct. I've had many conversations with Joe over the benefits of this way of shooting. He's such a great photographer.

  • @Answersonapostcard
    @Answersonapostcard 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    There’s a lot of snobbery in photography regarding P mode and “shoot raw or go home” type of crap.

    • @martingreenberg870
      @martingreenberg870 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Shooting in P mode means professional.
      Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)

    • @Answersonapostcard
      @Answersonapostcard 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@martingreenberg870 P also means pleasure.

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      100 percent agree 👍

    • @Hoad.o47
      @Hoad.o47 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There's a good reason though, to be fair

    • @Answersonapostcard
      @Answersonapostcard 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Hoad.o47 a good reason for snobbery?

  • @JayWalsh
    @JayWalsh 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't understand the hate for P mode. I started in the early 90s shooting film. We called P mode, "Profesional Mode."

  • @artsilva
    @artsilva 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Expounding on one point; I never delete images either in camera or from my archives.... Why? well first of all I am always concerned that deleting images off your camera's memory card will somehow lead to file corruption when you cause gaps in your file numbering. That is just me being overly cautious I guess.
    And secondly, I will sometimes revisit images years later and have a new appreciation of an image I dismissed originally. I can't tell you how many times I pulled up images taken twenty, ten, or five years ago that have become favorites of mine now. Today with advanced editing tools many of these old toss-away images now has new life, plus after years forgotten we tend to come in with new eyes on an image we thought were bad for what ever reason.

  • @cevisuals
    @cevisuals 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    #3 is critically important IMO. Too many technically perfect photos shot are boring these days.

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep, totally agree.

  • @Jerry10939
    @Jerry10939 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    P mode is lazy. You may be taking the picture. You have limited control over composition, because the camera chooses the f/stop. So you have no control of depth of field. Generally the camera sets the shutter speed to the fastest reasonable shutter speed because it wants to prevent camera shake, but modern cameras compensate for that now. So you don’t know what the camera will choose for your settings based on the Exposure Value. If you get a great picture with P mode, it’s luck. For the most part the camera does a good job with Program. If I were to use automatic functions of my camera, I would pick aperture priority. I want control of the depth of field. The only time I think shutter priority is good to use is when I’m shooting action where I control stop action or motion blur. Having stepless shutter speed or aperture can be an advantage at times if you can get a true meter reading with the TTL meter. Technical ability with the camera is only part of photography. Your eye for an image is just as if not more important. Composition will make or break the picture. It’s a skill but an art, but composition is also subjective. This is only half of photography. The second half is in the darkroom, in the case of digital photography, it’s in the computer. You make or break your pictures there.

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ah, OK. I must have been lazy for my sixteen years as a professional photographer. So must Magnum Chair Martin Parr and many, many, other professional photographers. I'll let them know. 🤭

  • @PernahIslam
    @PernahIslam 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are you better photographer..?? Who the hell are you 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @kevin_mullins
      @kevin_mullins  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You chose to watch, my friend.

  • @martinsmyth5580
    @martinsmyth5580 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks Kevin excellent information